Hi Michael, I have the biggest grin on my face! Thanks so much, I was doing my accounting, and decided to take a dare and see what this board was going after today. Your words are eloquent and enlightening. Yes, we love the coyotes, but they are mean and sneaky things. Don’t play fair bitch from a ranch, hmmmmmmmm. Surround a bobcat in it’s den and tease it to death, hmmmmmmmmm. Much of this is for fun you know, they have no real interest in the bobcat, as it is out of their league usually. Until the bobcat has been antagonized a few times, (aka, awakened), it has no clue how to face down these predators. When it does, the dogs scramble, though trying to keep face at times by pretending to chase it away.  They do lose interest soon.  Thanks for the understanding about the cookoo stuff, hard to follow sometimes……happy paws to you. Lynn – Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – > Hi Lynn, > This is Michael, your world famous ceo of dogtv.com > networks. I’m a very important man and the individual behind > the CHANGING of the MUZZLE of dog training. What is > happening to you right now (aka, your awakening), is a > direct result of my efforts and even MOOREso of the efforts > of the director of research at Biosound Scientific, yes the > one and only World Famous Jerry Howe out of Orlando F-L-A. > So far, I have no beef with you, and I was only giving my > CUCKOO!!! KUCKOOOOO!!! > DING DING DING!!! > CUCKOO!!! KUCKOOOOO!!! > to our pal Josh, who accused you of being Jerry in drag. Our > "experts" can’t believe anyone actually uses or has success > with Jerry’s methods, so it is in their vested interest that > people such as yourself not actually exist, or, if you do > exist, that you exist as Jerry himself, posting in drag. > But since you do, in fact, exist, and our experts can’t > accept it, that’s why they are all therefore going: > CUCKOO!!! KUCKOOOOO!!! > DING DING DING!!! > CUCKOO!!! KUCKOOOOO!!! > because there’s MOORE and MOORE of your types showing up. > It’s all part of the CHANGING of the MUZZLE which our > "experts" are fighting tooth and nail. They cannot stop it > though. The CHANGES I’m implementing are as UNOPPOSABLE as > they are inevitable and IRREVERSIBLE. > You a fan of coyotes and kats? > here’s a little ditty about Jeff and Diddy, Two american > kids growin’ up in the heartland. > WORLD PREMIERE > http://dogtv.com/imagine.mp3 > O.K., I can tell this is a lost subject. You cut up the information > and twist it so bad, for heavens sake it was a discussion. Some of you > are so hard up to attack, you don’t HEAR yourselves agreeing with me. > Then post how your dog beat up another.  You have no idea who you are > talking to. So once again, hello, have business, successful, am not > perfect, study dog behavior as a way of living, train dogs and horses, > whoops, no one has attacked that yet, study herd behavior also. Am > over 40 and have about 26 years invested in this. Do any of you ever > get out of the house to expand your views? (Like the one I have right > off my deck which has spot lights to pick up night behavior, and the > infra-red to not distract the wild life, which means I do not have to > take another trip to study as you suggest), lets not go into the creek > which surrounds us and we can follow the seasonal flow of dogs.  If > anyone is interested in animal behavior and sharing without snippy > remarks, I would enjoy the talk. > Lynn > > > > I have read all the posts about how bad Jerry HOWE is.  But I make > > > > decisions for myself.  I am always, as a kennel owner, looking to > > > > improve and pick up new ideas to further helping our customers with > > > > their anxiety laden pets.  Due to the equine training we do, Jerry’s > > > > methods caught my eye.  NO PRESSURE. > > > > I am sorry to say, that I needed some help re-thinking how Jerry > > > <snip sock puppetry> > > > Hiya Jerry.  Glad to see you finally went with the sex change op.  Hope the > > > estrogen takes a little of the wind out of your sails. > > KUCKOOOOOOO!!!

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Hi Lynn, This is Michael, your world famous ceo of dogtv.com networks. I’m a very important man and the individual behind the CHANGING of the MUZZLE of dog training. What is happening to you right now (aka, your awakening), is a direct result of my efforts and even MOOREso of the efforts of the director of research at Biosound Scientific, yes the one and only World Famous Jerry Howe out of Orlando F-L-A. So far, I have no beef with you, and I was only giving my CUCKOO!!! KUCKOOOOO!!! DING DING DING!!! CUCKOO!!! KUCKOOOOO!!! to our pal Josh, who accused you of being Jerry in drag. Our "experts" can’t believe anyone actually uses or has success with Jerry’s methods, so it is in their vested interest that people such as yourself not actually exist, or, if you do exist, that you exist as Jerry himself, posting in drag. But since you do, in fact, exist, and our experts can’t accept it, that’s why they are all therefore going: CUCKOO!!! KUCKOOOOO!!! DING DING DING!!! CUCKOO!!! KUCKOOOOO!!! because there’s MOORE and MOORE of your types showing up. It’s all part of the CHANGING of the MUZZLE which our "experts" are fighting tooth and nail. They cannot stop it though. The CHANGES I’m implementing are as UNOPPOSABLE as they are inevitable and IRREVERSIBLE. You a fan of coyotes and kats? here’s a little ditty about Jeff and Diddy, Two american kids growin’ up in the heartland. WORLD PREMIERE http://dogtv.com/imagine.mp3 – Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – > O.K., I can tell this is a lost subject. You cut up the information > and twist it so bad, for heavens sake it was a discussion. Some of you > are so hard up to attack, you don’t HEAR yourselves agreeing with me. > Then post how your dog beat up another.  You have no idea who you are > talking to. So once again, hello, have business, successful, am not > perfect, study dog behavior as a way of living, train dogs and horses, > whoops, no one has attacked that yet, study herd behavior also. Am > over 40 and have about 26 years invested in this. Do any of you ever > get out of the house to expand your views? (Like the one I have right > off my deck which has spot lights to pick up night behavior, and the > infra-red to not distract the wild life, which means I do not have to > take another trip to study as you suggest), lets not go into the creek > which surrounds us and we can follow the seasonal flow of dogs.  If > anyone is interested in animal behavior and sharing without snippy > remarks, I would enjoy the talk. > Lynn > > > I have read all the posts about how bad Jerry HOWE is.  But I make > > > decisions for myself.  I am always, as a kennel owner, looking to > > > improve and pick up new ideas to further helping our customers with > > > their anxiety laden pets.  Due to the equine training we do, Jerry’s > > > methods caught my eye.  NO PRESSURE. > > > I am sorry to say, that I needed some help re-thinking how Jerry > > <snip sock puppetry> > > Hiya Jerry.  Glad to see you finally went with the sex change op.  Hope the > > estrogen takes a little of the wind out of your sails. > KUCKOOOOOOO!!!

– this is michael reporting live… from the new muzzle of dog training http://dogtv.com http://changethemuzzle.com

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Hi Michael, I have the biggest grin on my face! Thanks so much, I was doing my accounting, and decided to take a dare and see what this board was going after today. Your words are eloquent and enlightening. Yes, we love the coyotes, but they are mean and sneaky things. Don’t play fair bitch from a ranch, hmmmmmmmm. Surround a bobcat in it’s den and tease it to death, hmmmmmmmmm. Much of this is for fun you know, they have no real interest in the bobcat, as it is out of their league usually. Until the bobcat has been antagonized a few times, (aka, awakened), it has no clue how to face down these predators. When it does, the dogs scramble, though trying to keep face at times by pretending to chase it away.  They do lose interest soon.  Thanks for the understanding about the cookoo stuff, hard to follow sometimes……happy paws to you. Lynn – Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – > Hi Lynn, > This is Michael, your world famous ceo of dogtv.com > networks. I’m a very important man and the individual behind > the CHANGING of the MUZZLE of dog training. What is > happening to you right now (aka, your awakening), is a > direct result of my efforts and even MOOREso of the efforts > of the director of research at Biosound Scientific, yes the > one and only World Famous Jerry Howe out of Orlando F-L-A. > So far, I have no beef with you, and I was only giving my > CUCKOO!!! KUCKOOOOO!!! > DING DING DING!!! > CUCKOO!!! KUCKOOOOO!!! > to our pal Josh, who accused you of being Jerry in drag. Our > "experts" can’t believe anyone actually uses or has success > with Jerry’s methods, so it is in their vested interest that > people such as yourself not actually exist, or, if you do > exist, that you exist as Jerry himself, posting in drag. > But since you do, in fact, exist, and our experts can’t > accept it, that’s why they are all therefore going: > CUCKOO!!! KUCKOOOOO!!! > DING DING DING!!! > CUCKOO!!! KUCKOOOOO!!! > because there’s MOORE and MOORE of your types showing up. > It’s all part of the CHANGING of the MUZZLE which our > "experts" are fighting tooth and nail. They cannot stop it > though. The CHANGES I’m implementing are as UNOPPOSABLE as > they are inevitable and IRREVERSIBLE. > You a fan of coyotes and kats? > here’s a little ditty about Jeff and Diddy, Two american > kids growin’ up in the heartland. > WORLD PREMIERE > http://dogtv.com/imagine.mp3 > O.K., I can tell this is a lost subject. You cut up the information > and twist it so bad, for heavens sake it was a discussion. Some of you > are so hard up to attack, you don’t HEAR yourselves agreeing with me. > Then post how your dog beat up another.  You have no idea who you are > talking to. So once again, hello, have business, successful, am not > perfect, study dog behavior as a way of living, train dogs and horses, > whoops, no one has attacked that yet, study herd behavior also. Am > over 40 and have about 26 years invested in this. Do any of you ever > get out of the house to expand your views? (Like the one I have right > off my deck which has spot lights to pick up night behavior, and the > infra-red to not distract the wild life, which means I do not have to > take another trip to study as you suggest), lets not go into the creek > which surrounds us and we can follow the seasonal flow of dogs.  If > anyone is interested in animal behavior and sharing without snippy > remarks, I would enjoy the talk. > Lynn > > > > I have read all the posts about how bad Jerry HOWE is.  But I make > > > > decisions for myself.  I am always, as a kennel owner, looking to > > > > improve and pick up new ideas to further helping our customers with > > > > their anxiety laden pets.  Due to the equine training we do, Jerry’s > > > > methods caught my eye.  NO PRESSURE. > > > > I am sorry to say, that I needed some help re-thinking how Jerry > > > <snip sock puppetry> > > > Hiya Jerry.  Glad to see you finally went with the sex change op.  Hope the > > > estrogen takes a little of the wind out of your sails. > > KUCKOOOOOOO!!!

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Hi Lynn, This is Michael, your world famous ceo of dogtv.com networks. I’m a very important man and the individual behind the CHANGING of the MUZZLE of dog training. What is happening to you right now (aka, your awakening), is a direct result of my efforts and even MOOREso of the efforts of the director of research at Biosound Scientific, yes the one and only World Famous Jerry Howe out of Orlando F-L-A. So far, I have no beef with you, and I was only giving my CUCKOO!!! KUCKOOOOO!!! DING DING DING!!! CUCKOO!!! KUCKOOOOO!!! to our pal Josh, who accused you of being Jerry in drag. Our "experts" can’t believe anyone actually uses or has success with Jerry’s methods, so it is in their vested interest that people such as yourself not actually exist, or, if you do exist, that you exist as Jerry himself, posting in drag. But since you do, in fact, exist, and our experts can’t accept it, that’s why they are all therefore going: CUCKOO!!! KUCKOOOOO!!! DING DING DING!!! CUCKOO!!! KUCKOOOOO!!! because there’s MOORE and MOORE of your types showing up. It’s all part of the CHANGING of the MUZZLE which our "experts" are fighting tooth and nail. They cannot stop it though. The CHANGES I’m implementing are as UNOPPOSABLE as they are inevitable and IRREVERSIBLE. You a fan of coyotes and kats? here’s a little ditty about Jeff and Diddy, Two american kids growin’ up in the heartland. WORLD PREMIERE http://dogtv.com/imagine.mp3 – Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – > O.K., I can tell this is a lost subject. You cut up the information > and twist it so bad, for heavens sake it was a discussion. Some of you > are so hard up to attack, you don’t HEAR yourselves agreeing with me. > Then post how your dog beat up another.  You have no idea who you are > talking to. So once again, hello, have business, successful, am not > perfect, study dog behavior as a way of living, train dogs and horses, > whoops, no one has attacked that yet, study herd behavior also. Am > over 40 and have about 26 years invested in this. Do any of you ever > get out of the house to expand your views? (Like the one I have right > off my deck which has spot lights to pick up night behavior, and the > infra-red to not distract the wild life, which means I do not have to > take another trip to study as you suggest), lets not go into the creek > which surrounds us and we can follow the seasonal flow of dogs.  If > anyone is interested in animal behavior and sharing without snippy > remarks, I would enjoy the talk. > Lynn > > > I have read all the posts about how bad Jerry HOWE is.  But I make > > > decisions for myself.  I am always, as a kennel owner, looking to > > > improve and pick up new ideas to further helping our customers with > > > their anxiety laden pets.  Due to the equine training we do, Jerry’s > > > methods caught my eye.  NO PRESSURE. > > > I am sorry to say, that I needed some help re-thinking how Jerry > > <snip sock puppetry> > > Hiya Jerry.  Glad to see you finally went with the sex change op.  Hope the > > estrogen takes a little of the wind out of your sails. > KUCKOOOOOOO!!!

– this is michael reporting live… from the new muzzle of dog training http://dogtv.com http://changethemuzzle.com

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Hi Michael, I have the biggest grin on my face! Thanks so much, I was doing my accounting, and decided to take a dare and see what this board was going after today. Your words are eloquent and enlightening. Yes, we love the coyotes, but they are mean and sneaky things. Don’t play fair bitch from a ranch, hmmmmmmmm. Surround a bobcat in it’s den and tease it to death, hmmmmmmmmm. Much of this is for fun you know, they have no real interest in the bobcat, as it is out of their league usually. Until the bobcat has been antagonized a few times, (aka, awakened), it has no clue how to face down these predators. When it does, the dogs scramble, though trying to keep face at times by pretending to chase it away.  They do lose interest soon.  Thanks for the understanding about the cookoo stuff, hard to follow sometimes……happy paws to you. Lynn – Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – > Hi Lynn, > This is Michael, your world famous ceo of dogtv.com > networks. I’m a very important man and the individual behind > the CHANGING of the MUZZLE of dog training. What is > happening to you right now (aka, your awakening), is a > direct result of my efforts and even MOOREso of the efforts > of the director of research at Biosound Scientific, yes the > one and only World Famous Jerry Howe out of Orlando F-L-A. > So far, I have no beef with you, and I was only giving my > CUCKOO!!! KUCKOOOOO!!! > DING DING DING!!! > CUCKOO!!! KUCKOOOOO!!! > to our pal Josh, who accused you of being Jerry in drag. Our > "experts" can’t believe anyone actually uses or has success > with Jerry’s methods, so it is in their vested interest that > people such as yourself not actually exist, or, if you do > exist, that you exist as Jerry himself, posting in drag. > But since you do, in fact, exist, and our experts can’t > accept it, that’s why they are all therefore going: > CUCKOO!!! KUCKOOOOO!!! > DING DING DING!!! > CUCKOO!!! KUCKOOOOO!!! > because there’s MOORE and MOORE of your types showing up. > It’s all part of the CHANGING of the MUZZLE which our > "experts" are fighting tooth and nail. They cannot stop it > though. The CHANGES I’m implementing are as UNOPPOSABLE as > they are inevitable and IRREVERSIBLE. > You a fan of coyotes and kats? > here’s a little ditty about Jeff and Diddy, Two american > kids growin’ up in the heartland. > WORLD PREMIERE > http://dogtv.com/imagine.mp3 > O.K., I can tell this is a lost subject. You cut up the information > and twist it so bad, for heavens sake it was a discussion. Some of you > are so hard up to attack, you don’t HEAR yourselves agreeing with me. > Then post how your dog beat up another.  You have no idea who you are > talking to. So once again, hello, have business, successful, am not > perfect, study dog behavior as a way of living, train dogs and horses, > whoops, no one has attacked that yet, study herd behavior also. Am > over 40 and have about 26 years invested in this. Do any of you ever > get out of the house to expand your views? (Like the one I have right > off my deck which has spot lights to pick up night behavior, and the > infra-red to not distract the wild life, which means I do not have to > take another trip to study as you suggest), lets not go into the creek > which surrounds us and we can follow the seasonal flow of dogs.  If > anyone is interested in animal behavior and sharing without snippy > remarks, I would enjoy the talk. > Lynn > > > > I have read all the posts about how bad Jerry HOWE is.  But I make > > > > decisions for myself.  I am always, as a kennel owner, looking to > > > > improve and pick up new ideas to further helping our customers with > > > > their anxiety laden pets.  Due to the equine training we do, Jerry’s > > > > methods caught my eye.  NO PRESSURE. > > > > I am sorry to say, that I needed some help re-thinking how Jerry > > > <snip sock puppetry> > > > Hiya Jerry.  Glad to see you finally went with the sex change op.  Hope the > > > estrogen takes a little of the wind out of your sails. > > KUCKOOOOOOO!!!

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Hi Lynn, This is Michael, your world famous ceo of dogtv.com networks. I’m a very important man and the individual behind the CHANGING of the MUZZLE of dog training. What is happening to you right now (aka, your awakening), is a direct result of my efforts and even MOOREso of the efforts of the director of research at Biosound Scientific, yes the one and only World Famous Jerry Howe out of Orlando F-L-A. So far, I have no beef with you, and I was only giving my CUCKOO!!! KUCKOOOOO!!! DING DING DING!!! CUCKOO!!! KUCKOOOOO!!! to our pal Josh, who accused you of being Jerry in drag. Our "experts" can’t believe anyone actually uses or has success with Jerry’s methods, so it is in their vested interest that people such as yourself not actually exist, or, if you do exist, that you exist as Jerry himself, posting in drag. But since you do, in fact, exist, and our experts can’t accept it, that’s why they are all therefore going: CUCKOO!!! KUCKOOOOO!!! DING DING DING!!! CUCKOO!!! KUCKOOOOO!!! because there’s MOORE and MOORE of your types showing up. It’s all part of the CHANGING of the MUZZLE which our "experts" are fighting tooth and nail. They cannot stop it though. The CHANGES I’m implementing are as UNOPPOSABLE as they are inevitable and IRREVERSIBLE. You a fan of coyotes and kats? here’s a little ditty about Jeff and Diddy, Two american kids growin’ up in the heartland. WORLD PREMIERE http://dogtv.com/imagine.mp3 – Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – > O.K., I can tell this is a lost subject. You cut up the information > and twist it so bad, for heavens sake it was a discussion. Some of you > are so hard up to attack, you don’t HEAR yourselves agreeing with me. > Then post how your dog beat up another.  You have no idea who you are > talking to. So once again, hello, have business, successful, am not > perfect, study dog behavior as a way of living, train dogs and horses, > whoops, no one has attacked that yet, study herd behavior also. Am > over 40 and have about 26 years invested in this. Do any of you ever > get out of the house to expand your views? (Like the one I have right > off my deck which has spot lights to pick up night behavior, and the > infra-red to not distract the wild life, which means I do not have to > take another trip to study as you suggest), lets not go into the creek > which surrounds us and we can follow the seasonal flow of dogs.  If > anyone is interested in animal behavior and sharing without snippy > remarks, I would enjoy the talk. > Lynn > > > I have read all the posts about how bad Jerry HOWE is.  But I make > > > decisions for myself.  I am always, as a kennel owner, looking to > > > improve and pick up new ideas to further helping our customers with > > > their anxiety laden pets.  Due to the equine training we do, Jerry’s > > > methods caught my eye.  NO PRESSURE. > > > I am sorry to say, that I needed some help re-thinking how Jerry > > <snip sock puppetry> > > Hiya Jerry.  Glad to see you finally went with the sex change op.  Hope the > > estrogen takes a little of the wind out of your sails. > KUCKOOOOOOO!!!

– this is michael reporting live… from the new muzzle of dog training http://dogtv.com http://changethemuzzle.com

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Yeah… HOWEDY Sizzle Pants,

> I don’t know if I am a troll or not,

Of course you’re not the troll. There’s absolutely NUTHIN wrong with you, except the company you’re keepin right here on our dog lover’s forum. > I actually did want help,

Of course. You done a good thing, I’m proud of you. Took a lot of self examination and even MOORE courage to admit to and ask for help with what you’ve identified as an obstacle in your life and relationship with your dog. Our good professor lying doc "SCRUFF SHAKE and SCREAM NO! into its face for 5 seconds" dermer likes to ridicule my methods because we focus MOOREon the RELATIONSHIP rather than fear force intimidation bribery pain and death to cure dog behavior problems. > and my original post was true,

Of course. And that’s HOWE COME our dog lovers freaked out. They cannot discuss NON VIOLENT training CAUSE THEY AIN’T GOT NO IDEA HOWE to train a dog without jerking choking shocking crating and pinching and twisting ears toes and testicles and sprayin aversives in their dog’s eyes to make them friendly and gentle and teach them RESPECT for their AUTHORITY. > but when I saw the hateful responses to my request

Our dog lovers reflexed with fear of their own actions being discussed here. That’s HOWE COME our dog lovers offer to killfile Jerry and his students like Canis55 and marilyn and anyone who understands that fear force and confrontation are the cause of all dog behavior problems. > I think I just got pissed and became the troll.

You’re doin fine. > Anyway sorry.

NOT ACCEPTABLE. Don’t apologize to these lying dog abusing Thugs for accidentally bringing up a subject that makes THEM go INSANE. They NEED to be EXPOSED as the lying dog abusing Thugs they are. > About the ASCII art, no.

That wasn’t bad stuff. > I have never used it before,

Mind if I borrow it? > someone sent it to me at work =).

Tell them thank you, you’ve found a good place to use it. > And btw, sizzle pants is a reference to "jerky boys" > it has nothing to do with dogs.

Of course not. But our dog lovers seem to equate sex to pain fear force, and hurting dogs. They condone hurting and killing dogs, but if some pervert has a ‘relationship’ with an animal they’re not HURTING through traditional obedience training, they’relabeled animal fuckers by our abusive dog lovers who think assault with a friendly weapon is disgusting, but shocking and choking and beating and twisting and pinching dog’s body parts IS NORMAL, LOVING, APPROPRIATE handling and training that will enhance the bond between trainer and dog. Althought I’m not condoning either, I just need to let our readers understand our dog lovers are sicker perverts than the dog lovers who don’t hurt animals they’re "relating" to. > Thanks for the actual advice.

Advice? From liea? She’s one of our most incorrigible liars and dog abusing perverts. > Reason why I got pissed is that it seems that you people are so > fucking holier than thou.

Naah, that’s incorrect. THEY’RE LIARS and DOG ABUSERS themselves, that’s HOWE COME they reacted so aggressively to your problem. They’re AFRAID YOUR DISCUSSIONS WILL EXPOSE THEMSELVES AS LIARS AND DOG ABUSERS. It’s all articulated in my SYNDROME posts. > I mean training with pain is nothing new.

Here, it’s an rpdb CONVENTION. > Its not like I am the first person to ever spank a dog,

We beat and choke and shock and kill dogs, but not in anger. > I mean Christ

Christ couldn’t even pray for our dog lovers, he’d vomit trying to. > were you people born so wise or what?

That’s not the problem. The problem is our dog lovers cannot talk about abuse, cause they’re abusers themselves. Your original post hit too close to their own HOWESES. > I guess I am the only person here that has to learn.

Our regular dog abusers do not want to change anything. That’s HOWE COME they lie about my students and my FREE Wits’ End Dog Training Method manual. > I know this is a limited cross section of people,

WRONG. I selected our groups to expose as being representative of the industry. Welcome to WWW Wits’ End Dog Training Method School Of HARD KNOCKS. We’ll make you Dean Of Admissions should you care to stick around and devleop your abilities as a competent FREE Wits’ End Dog Training Method manual student and Disciple. > I would guess that about 75% of dog owners spank their pets at > one time or another,

Not here. Here on rpdb hurting dogs is TRADITION, it’s a rpdb CONVENTION, like killfiling Jerry for teaching non violent methods of handling and training. > but I bet few of those people are active in this > ng. So perhaps your flames were indicative of your bias.

The flames came from our lying dog abusing Thugs. > I realize now that pain is an effective means of training,

Only for our dog lovers. Real dog lovers do not hurt and intimidate their dogs, and consequently they have NO behavior problems because ALL dog behavior problems are a direct result of our mishandling and corrections and efforts to force control. > but that it can and often is self-defeating,

WRONG. HURTING DOGS ALWAYS CAUSES PROBLEMS. > after all who wants to have a dog > that is perfectly house-trained, but that hates you?

Our dog lovers think that "happy dance" the dog does when they see their pronged spiked pinch choke or shock collar coming is EAGERNESS to work. > That is why I asked for help.

THAT’S WHAT THEIR DOGS ARE DOING WHEN THEY EAGERLY EXPRESS TERROR AT THE IDEA OF BEING HURT SOMEMOORE. THEY’RE BEGGIN NOT TO BE HURT. Our dog lovers appreciate that as DESIRE to BE HURT someMOORE. > Anyway I guess we have a lot of people with different > personalities and different backgrounds

No. They’re cut of the same cloth. That’s HOWE COME they’ve polarized against Jerry and all non violent trainers that do not accept HURTING and KILLING dogs as an option. > but jezus, it would be nice that if a person is willing to admit that > he is wrong (even though that’s how they have trained dogs for > the last 10k years, and its perfectly legal) and asks for help he > might get some.

BWWWWHAHAHAHAHAAAA!!! I’ve offered THOUSANDS of dollars in CASH PRIZE MONEY for ANY effective non violent training methods. NOBODY has even come close to offering a vialble non violent solution to even the simplest behavior problems like digging holes, escaping fences, bolting through doors, barking, chewing, counter surfing, sofa sleeping. That’s HOWE COME they call my 100% successful students LIARS. > Later, and sorry for the "smelly cunt"

Me too. Our dog lovers want you to become angry and leave here so they’re not stuck answering questions they got no goddamned answers for. > I have no idea what you smell like.

Anchovy is what our expert lying dog abusing Thug lyingdogDUMMY sez. His recommendation is a scrub down with a bit of Lysol in the morning. > I obviously need to work on my communication skills. =/

You’re welcome here. Make yourself feel like you’re in your own HOWES when you visit rpdb. We got nuthin to hide….since Jerry’s been posting. > I’m inclined to believe troll.  My reasoning in these cases is thus: > Someone posts a message that may or may not outrage the regulars.

Only outrages them when they’ve got to look at their own actions. > Some give outraged responses.

See my posts "The Science Of The SYNDROME." > Some take it seriously and give polite reasoned responses.

WHO HAS? >  Now look carefully at what the original poster does.

The OP came here looking for HELP to NOT HURT his dog noMOORE. The OP EMBARRASSED our dog lovers all at once, like Jerry does, but from the other side. That REALLY makes them feel guilty, cause they’ve got NO response, except to tell them "WE HURT OUR DOGS PROPERLY." > If it’s a troll, it will answer only the outraged responses to tell > those people that it was serious in the first place or to get angry > again. If it’s not a troll, it will apologize for the first message > written  in frustration or anger and try to explain itself more clearly.

liea is one of our most severely disturbed liars and dog abusers. I suggest you find the posters who recommend killfiling Jerry and put them in your list of posters to mistrust. >  Do we really think that (fabulous) bit of ASCII art was designed on > the spot for this occasion?  Or do we think that this poster had it > ready and uses it often?

Ask liea about choking and shocking her dog. > Here’s another clue:  I can understand that sometimes posters > choose cute online names that make them anonymous.

Like lyingdogDUMMY aka tommy soronson of soronson’s kennels, MO, aka gentleman jim morrison, aka joey finnochiario, homophobe moderator of our aids forum who has a plan to convince aids patients to ignore medical advice and engage in unprotected sex to kill off the homosexuals who’d infect his own little sissy boys. > They may have all sorts of reasons for doing so.

AS STATED. >  But "sizzle pants"?

Interesting HOWE liea equates hurting dogs to sex. > Do we really think s/he chose while thinking about the > way our favorite furry friends pant on hot days?

Who exactly are the perverts here? The guys who’ve learned NOT to HURT and KILL dogs, or the dog lovers who condemn a reader for wanting to learn HOWE to handle and train their dog without jerking and choking them on pronged spiked pinch choke and shock collars and advise people to killfile the fastest most effective gentlest methods in the world because they obviate EVERY THING our dog lovers believe and teach? > –Lia

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Yeah… HOWEDY Sizzle Pants,

> I don’t know if I am a troll or not,

Of course you’re not the troll. There’s absolutely NUTHIN wrong with you, except the company you’re keepin right here on our dog lover’s forum. > I actually did want help,

Of course. You done a good thing, I’m proud of you. Took a lot of self examination and even MOORE courage to admit to and ask for help with what you’ve identified as an obstacle in your life and relationship with your dog. Our good professor lying doc "SCRUFF SHAKE and SCREAM NO! into its face for 5 seconds" dermer likes to ridicule my methods because we focus MOOREon the RELATIONSHIP rather than fear force intimidation bribery pain and death to cure dog behavior problems. > and my original post was true,

Of course. And that’s HOWE COME our dog lovers freaked out. They cannot discuss NON VIOLENT training CAUSE THEY AIN’T GOT NO IDEA HOWE to train a dog without jerking choking shocking crating and pinching and twisting ears toes and testicles and sprayin aversives in their dog’s eyes to make them friendly and gentle and teach them RESPECT for their AUTHORITY. > but when I saw the hateful responses to my request

Our dog lovers reflexed with fear of their own actions being discussed here. That’s HOWE COME our dog lovers offer to killfile Jerry and his students like Canis55 and marilyn and anyone who understands that fear force and confrontation are the cause of all dog behavior problems. > I think I just got pissed and became the troll.

You’re doin fine. > Anyway sorry.

NOT ACCEPTABLE. Don’t apologize to these lying dog abusing Thugs for accidentally bringing up a subject that makes THEM go INSANE. They NEED to be EXPOSED as the lying dog abusing Thugs they are. > About the ASCII art, no.

That wasn’t bad stuff. > I have never used it before,

Mind if I borrow it? > someone sent it to me at work =).

Tell them thank you, you’ve found a good place to use it. > And btw, sizzle pants is a reference to "jerky boys" > it has nothing to do with dogs.

Of course not. But our dog lovers seem to equate sex to pain fear force, and hurting dogs. They condone hurting and killing dogs, but if some pervert has a ‘relationship’ with an animal they’re not HURTING through traditional obedience training, they’relabeled animal fuckers by our abusive dog lovers who think assault with a friendly weapon is disgusting, but shocking and choking and beating and twisting and pinching dog’s body parts IS NORMAL, LOVING, APPROPRIATE handling and training that will enhance the bond between trainer and dog. Althought I’m not condoning either, I just need to let our readers understand our dog lovers are sicker perverts than the dog lovers who don’t hurt animals they’re "relating" to. > Thanks for the actual advice.

Advice? From liea? She’s one of our most incorrigible liars and dog abusing perverts. > Reason why I got pissed is that it seems that you people are so > fucking holier than thou.

Naah, that’s incorrect. THEY’RE LIARS and DOG ABUSERS themselves, that’s HOWE COME they reacted so aggressively to your problem. They’re AFRAID YOUR DISCUSSIONS WILL EXPOSE THEMSELVES AS LIARS AND DOG ABUSERS. It’s all articulated in my SYNDROME posts. > I mean training with pain is nothing new.

Here, it’s an rpdb CONVENTION. > Its not like I am the first person to ever spank a dog,

We beat and choke and shock and kill dogs, but not in anger. > I mean Christ

Christ couldn’t even pray for our dog lovers, he’d vomit trying to. > were you people born so wise or what?

That’s not the problem. The problem is our dog lovers cannot talk about abuse, cause they’re abusers themselves. Your original post hit too close to their own HOWESES. > I guess I am the only person here that has to learn.

Our regular dog abusers do not want to change anything. That’s HOWE COME they lie about my students and my FREE Wits’ End Dog Training Method manual. > I know this is a limited cross section of people,

WRONG. I selected our groups to expose as being representative of the industry. Welcome to WWW Wits’ End Dog Training Method School Of HARD KNOCKS. We’ll make you Dean Of Admissions should you care to stick around and devleop your abilities as a competent FREE Wits’ End Dog Training Method manual student and Disciple. > I would guess that about 75% of dog owners spank their pets at > one time or another,

Not here. Here on rpdb hurting dogs is TRADITION, it’s a rpdb CONVENTION, like killfiling Jerry for teaching non violent methods of handling and training. > but I bet few of those people are active in this > ng. So perhaps your flames were indicative of your bias.

The flames came from our lying dog abusing Thugs. > I realize now that pain is an effective means of training,

Only for our dog lovers. Real dog lovers do not hurt and intimidate their dogs, and consequently they have NO behavior problems because ALL dog behavior problems are a direct result of our mishandling and corrections and efforts to force control. > but that it can and often is self-defeating,

WRONG. HURTING DOGS ALWAYS CAUSES PROBLEMS. > after all who wants to have a dog > that is perfectly house-trained, but that hates you?

Our dog lovers think that "happy dance" the dog does when they see their pronged spiked pinch choke or shock collar coming is EAGERNESS to work. > That is why I asked for help.

THAT’S WHAT THEIR DOGS ARE DOING WHEN THEY EAGERLY EXPRESS TERROR AT THE IDEA OF BEING HURT SOMEMOORE. THEY’RE BEGGIN NOT TO BE HURT. Our dog lovers appreciate that as DESIRE to BE HURT someMOORE. > Anyway I guess we have a lot of people with different > personalities and different backgrounds

No. They’re cut of the same cloth. That’s HOWE COME they’ve polarized against Jerry and all non violent trainers that do not accept HURTING and KILLING dogs as an option. > but jezus, it would be nice that if a person is willing to admit that > he is wrong (even though that’s how they have trained dogs for > the last 10k years, and its perfectly legal) and asks for help he > might get some.

BWWWWHAHAHAHAHAAAA!!! I’ve offered THOUSANDS of dollars in CASH PRIZE MONEY for ANY effective non violent training methods. NOBODY has even come close to offering a vialble non violent solution to even the simplest behavior problems like digging holes, escaping fences, bolting through doors, barking, chewing, counter surfing, sofa sleeping. That’s HOWE COME they call my 100% successful students LIARS. > Later, and sorry for the "smelly cunt"

Me too. Our dog lovers want you to become angry and leave here so they’re not stuck answering questions they got no goddamned answers for. > I have no idea what you smell like.

Anchovy is what our expert lying dog abusing Thug lyingdogDUMMY sez. His recommendation is a scrub down with a bit of Lysol in the morning. > I obviously need to work on my communication skills. =/

You’re welcome here. Make yourself feel like you’re in your own HOWES when you visit rpdb. We got nuthin to hide….since Jerry’s been posting. > I’m inclined to believe troll.  My reasoning in these cases is thus: > Someone posts a message that may or may not outrage the regulars.

Only outrages them when they’ve got to look at their own actions. > Some give outraged responses.

See my posts "The Science Of The SYNDROME." > Some take it seriously and give polite reasoned responses.

WHO HAS? >  Now look carefully at what the original poster does.

The OP came here looking for HELP to NOT HURT his dog noMOORE. The OP EMBARRASSED our dog lovers all at once, like Jerry does, but from the other side. That REALLY makes them feel guilty, cause they’ve got NO response, except to tell them "WE HURT OUR DOGS PROPERLY." > If it’s a troll, it will answer only the outraged responses to tell > those people that it was serious in the first place or to get angry > again. If it’s not a troll, it will apologize for the first message > written  in frustration or anger and try to explain itself more clearly.

liea is one of our most severely disturbed liars and dog abusers. I suggest you find the posters who recommend killfiling Jerry and put them in your list of posters to mistrust. >  Do we really think that (fabulous) bit of ASCII art was designed on > the spot for this occasion?  Or do we think that this poster had it > ready and uses it often?

Ask liea about choking and shocking her dog. > Here’s another clue:  I can understand that sometimes posters > choose cute online names that make them anonymous.

Like lyingdogDUMMY aka tommy soronson of soronson’s kennels, MO, aka gentleman jim morrison, aka joey finnochiario, homophobe moderator of our aids forum who has a plan to convince aids patients to ignore medical advice and engage in unprotected sex to kill off the homosexuals who’d infect his own little sissy boys. > They may have all sorts of reasons for doing so.

AS STATED. >  But "sizzle pants"?

Interesting HOWE liea equates hurting dogs to sex. > Do we really think s/he chose while thinking about the > way our favorite furry friends pant on hot days?

Who exactly are the perverts here? The guys who’ve learned NOT to HURT and KILL dogs, or the dog lovers who condemn a reader for wanting to learn HOWE to handle and train their dog without jerking and choking them on pronged spiked pinch choke and shock collars and advise people to killfile the fastest most effective gentlest methods in the world because they obviate EVERY THING our dog lovers believe and teach? > –Lia

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Yeah… HOWEDY Sizzle Pants,

> I don’t know if I am a troll or not,

Of course you’re not the troll. There’s absolutely NUTHIN wrong with you, except the company you’re keepin right here on our dog lover’s forum. > I actually did want help,

Of course. You done a good thing, I’m proud of you. Took a lot of self examination and even MOORE courage to admit to and ask for help with what you’ve identified as an obstacle in your life and relationship with your dog. Our good professor lying doc "SCRUFF SHAKE and SCREAM NO! into its face for 5 seconds" dermer likes to ridicule my methods because we focus MOOREon the RELATIONSHIP rather than fear force intimidation bribery pain and death to cure dog behavior problems. > and my original post was true,

Of course. And that’s HOWE COME our dog lovers freaked out. They cannot discuss NON VIOLENT training CAUSE THEY AIN’T GOT NO IDEA HOWE to train a dog without jerking choking shocking crating and pinching and twisting ears toes and testicles and sprayin aversives in their dog’s eyes to make them friendly and gentle and teach them RESPECT for their AUTHORITY. > but when I saw the hateful responses to my request

Our dog lovers reflexed with fear of their own actions being discussed here. That’s HOWE COME our dog lovers offer to killfile Jerry and his students like Canis55 and marilyn and anyone who understands that fear force and confrontation are the cause of all dog behavior problems. > I think I just got pissed and became the troll.

You’re doin fine. > Anyway sorry.

NOT ACCEPTABLE. Don’t apologize to these lying dog abusing Thugs for accidentally bringing up a subject that makes THEM go INSANE. They NEED to be EXPOSED as the lying dog abusing Thugs they are. > About the ASCII art, no.

That wasn’t bad stuff. > I have never used it before,

Mind if I borrow it? > someone sent it to me at work =).

Tell them thank you, you’ve found a good place to use it. > And btw, sizzle pants is a reference to "jerky boys" > it has nothing to do with dogs.

Of course not. But our dog lovers seem to equate sex to pain fear force, and hurting dogs. They condone hurting and killing dogs, but if some pervert has a ‘relationship’ with an animal they’re not HURTING through traditional obedience training, they’relabeled animal fuckers by our abusive dog lovers who think assault with a friendly weapon is disgusting, but shocking and choking and beating and twisting and pinching dog’s body parts IS NORMAL, LOVING, APPROPRIATE handling and training that will enhance the bond between trainer and dog. Althought I’m not condoning either, I just need to let our readers understand our dog lovers are sicker perverts than the dog lovers who don’t hurt animals they’re "relating" to. > Thanks for the actual advice.

Advice? From liea? She’s one of our most incorrigible liars and dog abusing perverts. > Reason why I got pissed is that it seems that you people are so > fucking holier than thou.

Naah, that’s incorrect. THEY’RE LIARS and DOG ABUSERS themselves, that’s HOWE COME they reacted so aggressively to your problem. They’re AFRAID YOUR DISCUSSIONS WILL EXPOSE THEMSELVES AS LIARS AND DOG ABUSERS. It’s all articulated in my SYNDROME posts. > I mean training with pain is nothing new.

Here, it’s an rpdb CONVENTION. > Its not like I am the first person to ever spank a dog,

We beat and choke and shock and kill dogs, but not in anger. > I mean Christ

Christ couldn’t even pray for our dog lovers, he’d vomit trying to. > were you people born so wise or what?

That’s not the problem. The problem is our dog lovers cannot talk about abuse, cause they’re abusers themselves. Your original post hit too close to their own HOWESES. > I guess I am the only person here that has to learn.

Our regular dog abusers do not want to change anything. That’s HOWE COME they lie about my students and my FREE Wits’ End Dog Training Method manual. > I know this is a limited cross section of people,

WRONG. I selected our groups to expose as being representative of the industry. Welcome to WWW Wits’ End Dog Training Method School Of HARD KNOCKS. We’ll make you Dean Of Admissions should you care to stick around and devleop your abilities as a competent FREE Wits’ End Dog Training Method manual student and Disciple. > I would guess that about 75% of dog owners spank their pets at > one time or another,

Not here. Here on rpdb hurting dogs is TRADITION, it’s a rpdb CONVENTION, like killfiling Jerry for teaching non violent methods of handling and training. > but I bet few of those people are active in this > ng. So perhaps your flames were indicative of your bias.

The flames came from our lying dog abusing Thugs. > I realize now that pain is an effective means of training,

Only for our dog lovers. Real dog lovers do not hurt and intimidate their dogs, and consequently they have NO behavior problems because ALL dog behavior problems are a direct result of our mishandling and corrections and efforts to force control. > but that it can and often is self-defeating,

WRONG. HURTING DOGS ALWAYS CAUSES PROBLEMS. > after all who wants to have a dog > that is perfectly house-trained, but that hates you?

Our dog lovers think that "happy dance" the dog does when they see their pronged spiked pinch choke or shock collar coming is EAGERNESS to work. > That is why I asked for help.

THAT’S WHAT THEIR DOGS ARE DOING WHEN THEY EAGERLY EXPRESS TERROR AT THE IDEA OF BEING HURT SOMEMOORE. THEY’RE BEGGIN NOT TO BE HURT. Our dog lovers appreciate that as DESIRE to BE HURT someMOORE. > Anyway I guess we have a lot of people with different > personalities and different backgrounds

No. They’re cut of the same cloth. That’s HOWE COME they’ve polarized against Jerry and all non violent trainers that do not accept HURTING and KILLING dogs as an option. > but jezus, it would be nice that if a person is willing to admit that > he is wrong (even though that’s how they have trained dogs for > the last 10k years, and its perfectly legal) and asks for help he > might get some.

BWWWWHAHAHAHAHAAAA!!! I’ve offered THOUSANDS of dollars in CASH PRIZE MONEY for ANY effective non violent training methods. NOBODY has even come close to offering a vialble non violent solution to even the simplest behavior problems like digging holes, escaping fences, bolting through doors, barking, chewing, counter surfing, sofa sleeping. That’s HOWE COME they call my 100% successful students LIARS. > Later, and sorry for the "smelly cunt"

Me too. Our dog lovers want you to become angry and leave here so they’re not stuck answering questions they got no goddamned answers for. > I have no idea what you smell like.

Anchovy is what our expert lying dog abusing Thug lyingdogDUMMY sez. His recommendation is a scrub down with a bit of Lysol in the morning. > I obviously need to work on my communication skills. =/

You’re welcome here. Make yourself feel like you’re in your own HOWES when you visit rpdb. We got nuthin to hide….since Jerry’s been posting. > I’m inclined to believe troll.  My reasoning in these cases is thus: > Someone posts a message that may or may not outrage the regulars.

Only outrages them when they’ve got to look at their own actions. > Some give outraged responses.

See my posts "The Science Of The SYNDROME." > Some take it seriously and give polite reasoned responses.

WHO HAS? >  Now look carefully at what the original poster does.

The OP came here looking for HELP to NOT HURT his dog noMOORE. The OP EMBARRASSED our dog lovers all at once, like Jerry does, but from the other side. That REALLY makes them feel guilty, cause they’ve got NO response, except to tell them "WE HURT OUR DOGS PROPERLY." > If it’s a troll, it will answer only the outraged responses to tell > those people that it was serious in the first place or to get angry > again. If it’s not a troll, it will apologize for the first message > written  in frustration or anger and try to explain itself more clearly.

liea is one of our most severely disturbed liars and dog abusers. I suggest you find the posters who recommend killfiling Jerry and put them in your list of posters to mistrust. >  Do we really think that (fabulous) bit of ASCII art was designed on > the spot for this occasion?  Or do we think that this poster had it > ready and uses it often?

Ask liea about choking and shocking her dog. > Here’s another clue:  I can understand that sometimes posters > choose cute online names that make them anonymous.

Like lyingdogDUMMY aka tommy soronson of soronson’s kennels, MO, aka gentleman jim morrison, aka joey finnochiario, homophobe moderator of our aids forum who has a plan to convince aids patients to ignore medical advice and engage in unprotected sex to kill off the homosexuals who’d infect his own little sissy boys. > They may have all sorts of reasons for doing so.

AS STATED. >  But "sizzle pants"?

Interesting HOWE liea equates hurting dogs to sex. > Do we really think s/he chose while thinking about the > way our favorite furry friends pant on hot days?

Who exactly are the perverts here? The guys who’ve learned NOT to HURT and KILL dogs, or the dog lovers who condemn a reader for wanting to learn HOWE to handle and train their dog without jerking and choking them on pronged spiked pinch choke and shock collars and advise people to killfile the fastest most effective gentlest methods in the world because they obviate EVERY THING our dog lovers believe and teach? > –Lia

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> STOP CROSSPOSTING TO CAT NEWSGROUPS PLEASE, IT’S COMMON SENSE AND

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You’re a liar and a dog abuser…      Elaine McClung, President of Pet Rescue, Animal Commissioner      Brevard Co FL, writes:      Hi Jerry,      I received email from Mark Shaw on 10/6 which I just read today.      Sorry I didn’t have time to get to it sooner. We have had a lot      going on in our area concerning animals. We formed a new Task      Force to address spay/neuter, pet overpopulation and animal      abuse. I needed to do a lot of research before the first meeting and      time was just not available for anything else.      Anyway the letter went on to say that we are in collusion, I tried      to defraud him, and have sent none of the materials that he has      asked for although he has yet to furnish the P. O. Box number that      he wanted them sent to in the first place. He goes on to state that      I am no longer eligible for the "fictions reward." All of this is in      answer to postings that prove I was "sharing" his email with you      which in his opinion was a breach of good manners. His email only      had terms and conditions of the reward which I would consider      "public information."      Be that as it may, I would like to state that you had my permission      to post any email I have sent you regarding DDR including this      email.      I’m very sorry that you have to put up with this type of situation      from someone that obviously never intended to make good on his      reward offer in the first place.      I had a call from a friend of mine with a very aggressive cat. I      have loaned her my DDR for a few weeks to see if it will calm JR      down. I will let you know the results. She goes to the same holistic      vet that I go to and he is also interested.      In case Mark does post to the list again I would like to say that I      do very much believe that DDR will help JR as I know it has helped      my dogs and cats. I have entirely too much to do, to worry about his      opinions or reward.      The only reason I was willing to apply for the reward was on your      behalf as I do think your product is a valuable tool in helping with      aggression and other behavior problems.      I am in Feral Cat Network (we spay and neuter approximately 100      feral cats a month), I am also a member of a local AKC dog      obedience club, member of a local AKC agility club, president of      Pet Rescue, board member of the Alliance for Care and Welfare of      Animals (on the board are: county commissioner, vet. rep., rep. from      AKC dog club, CFA cat club, assistant County manager, head of      animal control, director of two different shelters, etc.) and Space      Coast Feline Network http://www.spacecoastfelinenetwork.com      I listed these not to be on an ego trip but to let Mark know that I      am involved with animals and have very little time to play games      with him also I would not recommend your product if I did not      believe in it.      Please feel free to post this email as it has no copyright on it as      did Mark Shaw’s last email to me.      Take care Jerry and don’t let the Mark’s of the world get you down.      Elaine      Thank you, Elaine. I have been trying to educate the mark’s of this      world, with some occasional successes. I guess that’s variable      reinforcement?      Yours, Jerry. Elaine McClung, President of Pet Rescue, Animal Commissioner      Brevard Co FL, writes: Sep 9, 2000      "I ordered from Jerry a long time ago.. He was helpful and      the order was filled promptly. Yes, Doggie Do Right does      indeed exist.      I "had" a very aggressive female Pit.. She was showing      aggression not only towards Dok, Rhodesian Ridgeback,      but our cats and even us.      She now plays with Dok, even to the point of allowing him      to take a toy or bone from her. She no longer shows any      aggression towards us. She is showing some aggression      towards the cats but that is down to a warning growl.      It is not just my opinion that all this aggression existed      before Doggie Do Right as we were advised by three vets      to euthanize her.      I do very much believe that DDR will help JR as I know it      has helped my dogs and cats. I do think your product is a      valuable tool in helping with aggression and other behavior      problems.      I am in Feral CatNetwork (we spay and neuter approximately      100 feral cats a month), I am also a member of a local AKC      dog obedience club, member of a local AKC agility club,      president of Pet Rescue, board member of the Alliance for      Care and Welfare of Animals (on the board are: county      commissioner, vet. rep., rep. from AKC dog club, CFA cat      club, assistant County manager, head of animal control,      director of two different shelters, etc.) and Space      Coast Feline Network http://www.spacecoastfelinenetwork.com      Thanks, Elaine, Subj: Fear of Thunder To: Witsenddog Dear Jerry, I hope you’ll be able to post this message so more people who are at their wit’s end will be able to help their dogs. To review: Our puppy was uncomfortable during thunder storms. At the beginning of the problem, she paced restlessly from room to room. She couldn’t settle and sleep. From there the problem grew. She would run to the far southeast corner of the house (which makes sense because most storms here come from the northwest) and she’d cower in the corner of the couch and shake. !st attempt to help her: I’d pick her up, brush and massage her (call me a nut – I’ve sung to her when I’ve done her daily brushing since she was tiny so of course I sang too) and when she relaxed, I’d put her in her crate. She then slept and I thought the problem was solved. Traumatic event: We were out in the park playing with one of her doggy friends when it began to rain. On the way home, there was the loudest, longest, thunder clap I’ve ever heard. From that day on, the problem got worse and worse. I couldn’t calm her with singing and massage. The fear spread. She wouldn’t go out if it was raining. No thunder, just gently summer rain, and she wouldn’t go out. The solution: I surfed the net and came across a free manual Wit’s End Dog Training Method and a product called Doggy Do Right that seemed better than anything else I came across. A phone call to Jerry Howe, author of the manual and Director of Research, Biosound Scientific, convince me to try both the manual and the product. Problem solved: I followed Jerry’s suggestions  (more phone calls – he is most generous with his time and advice). The first two thunder storms my puppy was restless but not running around in a blind panic. The third storm, she barked her deep, stranger danger bark after each clap of thunder. The fourth storm, she seemed uneasy at first. Soon she was asleep at my feet and she napped through the rest of the storm. A miracle. I am endlessly grateful to Jerry for his manual and his machine. A word about Doggy Do Right. It is odd to buy a machine that emits a sound I cannot hear. I took the chance because Jerry offered a full refund including shipping. Though I heard nothing, my puppy clearly did. When I first turned on the machine, she got the cutest, most quizzical look on her face. She looked at me as if to say: "What’s that? I never heard that before." She looks at the machine when it is on. She rests on the floor beneath it. It is obvious from her behavior that she is aware of its cycles. Amazing. Thank you Jerry.      Hi Jerry,      I wrote to you a week or so ago about the unit. I have since      borrowed one from Elaine Mc Clung. She speaks very      highly of it.      So, I brought it home and plugged it in. Of course, I      wanted it to come on, all the barking stop, and have every      one immediately fall to the floor in little comas for a few      hours. Well, after I got all 27 of them to be quiet, still no      comas. But, it had only been 36 seconds at that point. So,      I gave it a little longer. Still no comas. Was this really      going to work? I mean, I do have an unusual situation.      So, by bedtime, a few hours later. I started to notice just      how many were asleep already – with their feet in the air! I      started to have hope. During the night, all was calm. In the      morning when I got up, only a few of them WALKED quietly      to the door to go out. Not the usual evacuation.      I had the unit from Sunday afternoon until Tuesday      Morning. I was certainly pleased with the night effect. I      wasn’t so sure about the amount of the day time effect.      Until I took it back. Within half an hour, the monsters had      resurfaced. I wondered if I could break into Elaine’s house      and if she would notice      I know another person who does dog rescue. She rescues      Beagles. She has 23 in an 1100 square foot house. God      bless her. She is interested to see if it will work for her. I      also spoke to someone else who does cat rescue, and      she is interested. The cat rescue people have monthly      meetings. Maybe Elaine could give a word or two about it.      So, if there are any words of advice you can send my way      about the best way to use it in my case, I would appreciate      it. I of course wanted to keep it on the highest setting, but      don’t know if that is advised, even with my situation of so      many new ones coming and (too few) going.      Also, how I and others can go about getting one, etc. I      think the vets should have the info in their offices. It must      help dogs with separation anxiety. My vet practices      homeopathic as well as traditional medicine, so I      would think it would be right up her alley.      Thank you.      Desiree

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> STOP CROSSPOSTING TO CAT NEWSGROUPS PLEASE, IT’S COMMON SENSE AND > COURTESY.

Telling him so isn’t going to help, I’m afraid (it’s been tried, a lot).   Jerry is, to all appearances, crazy.    He’s also a spammer; he wants to crosspost because he’s trying to peddle a crackpot gizmo. (I’m actually amazed he manages to crosspost… usually he can only spell it "kats.") — Karen J. Cravens followups set to rpdb

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Kelly wrote in rec.pets.dogs.behavior: > STOP CROSSPOSTING TO CAT NEWSGROUPS PLEASE, IT’S COMMON > SENSE AND COURTESY.

Yelling won’t stop Jerry Howe, so shut off the caps. Killfile the guy, most of us have.  And please don’t repost his entire message – he’s been killfiled for a reason. [followups] — –Matt.  Rocky’s a Dog.

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Not hurting animals is common sense and courtesy and human decency. Tell your pals to stop using fear force and aversives and killin animals as a cure and learn HOWE to handle and train their pets so they don’t got to mutilate hurt and kill them to control behavior problems our animal lovers CAUSE. Jerry.

– Hide quoted text — Show quoted text -> STOP CROSSPOSTING TO CAT NEWSGROUPS PLEASE, IT’S COMMON SENSE AND COURTESY. > HOWEDY Disciple chad, > > On 06 Jun 2002, Jerry Howe opined: > > > HOWEDY chad, > > > If you don’t have anything to contribute to our dog behavior forum I > > > suggest you’ll be MOORE comfortable over at the mensa or kibo groups. > And you continue to avoid the truth… > > > We’re trying to improve ourselves, so don’t stick around where you’ll > > > be uncomfortable and feel embarrassed. Good LUCK in all your > > > endeavors. Dog training doesn’t rely on LUCK, so adios… muchacha. > > > Jerry. > > ROTFL! Jerry asking someone else to leave the newsgroup! > Ask? Jerry doesn’t ask. Jerry teaches, and Jerry’s students > will demonstrate, and no one will ASK NUTHIN, Disciple Chad. > > BAAAAWAWAWAJA. He has me laughing in spanish. > That’s part of The SYNDROME, Disciple Chad. > > Sounds like you’re a bit stressed at my presence, Jerry. > You and your ilk have been my bread and butter for 40 years, > Disciple Chad. I stress over you no MOORE than my toast… > butter or not. > > I think I’m doing just fine "contributing" to the newsgroup, > You have embraced lies and deception, Disciple Chad. > I cautioned you about honesty and credibility in my Camp. > > thank you very much. > But you failed to listen. > > Is this your best response to your gaffed attempt > > at posting as someone else. > You call Jerry a liar, Disciple Chad? That’s a sorry thing > to do, Disciple Chad. The archives will prove my words > to be true and consistant as the sunrise, Disciple Chad. > OTHERWISE THE METHOD WOULD FAIL. > > BTW:  Go read Matthew 7:3. > I did. Matthew talks of blindness. > > Best, > > Chad > Athough blind, I have a pearl. If I drop it, I can stumble > around till I find it. You cannot begin to look for it even > knowing it’s there, because you have a speck in your > eye which taunts you with your sightedness. > You are so preoccupied with the speck in your eye > you cannot afford to stumble to begin to find the pearl… > > Chad Andrew Herring > > University of Chicago Divinity School > > Theological Ethics Program > > Oak Park, IL > Nor even read Matthew 7:6, who warns: > "Do not give dogs what is sacred, do not throw your > pearls to pigs. If you do, they may trample them under > their feet, and then turn and tear you to pieces." > We are fighting for SURVIVAL. > Matthew 7.7-8 adds: "Ask and it will be given to you, > seek and you shall find, knock and the door will be > opened." > I recommend you live by Matthew 7.13-14: > "Enter through the narrow gate. For wide is the > gate and broad is the road that leads to destruction, > and many enter through it. But small is the gate > and narrow the road that leads to life, and only > few find it." > One of us is a liar, Disciple Chad. One of us must go… > and take his coven of evil doers with him to suffer The > SYNDROME together, alone. > Who are the liars and HOWE COME they’re here, > Disciple Chad? I’m obviously sellin somethin, so that > makes me suspect and probably a con man. My claims > are sweeping and unreasonable and illogical. > Or do you fear hate and attempt to tear Jerry to pieces > cause Jerry TEACHES something which HURTS your > fragile defective EGO? > Dog and child behavior problems are caused by mishandling > and abuse, because THAT is your HUMAN NATURE. > One of us must die.

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STOP CROSSPOSTING TO CAT NEWSGROUPS PLEASE, IT’S COMMON SENSE AND COURTESY. – Hide quoted text — Show quoted text -> HOWEDY Disciple chad, > On 06 Jun 2002, Jerry Howe opined: > > HOWEDY chad, > > If you don’t have anything to contribute to our dog behavior forum I > > suggest you’ll be MOORE comfortable over at the mensa or kibo groups. > And you continue to avoid the truth… > > We’re trying to improve ourselves, so don’t stick around where you’ll > > be uncomfortable and feel embarrassed. Good LUCK in all your > > endeavors. Dog training doesn’t rely on LUCK, so adios… muchacha. > > Jerry. > ROTFL! Jerry asking someone else to leave the newsgroup! > Ask? Jerry doesn’t ask. Jerry teaches, and Jerry’s students > will demonstrate, and no one will ASK NUTHIN, Disciple Chad. > BAAAAWAWAWAJA. He has me laughing in spanish. > That’s part of The SYNDROME, Disciple Chad. > Sounds like you’re a bit stressed at my presence, Jerry. > You and your ilk have been my bread and butter for 40 years, > Disciple Chad. I stress over you no MOORE than my toast… > butter or not. > I think I’m doing just fine "contributing" to the newsgroup, > You have embraced lies and deception, Disciple Chad. > I cautioned you about honesty and credibility in my Camp. > thank you very much. > But you failed to listen. > Is this your best response to your gaffed attempt > at posting as someone else. > You call Jerry a liar, Disciple Chad? That’s a sorry thing > to do, Disciple Chad. The archives will prove my words > to be true and consistant as the sunrise, Disciple Chad. > OTHERWISE THE METHOD WOULD FAIL. > BTW:  Go read Matthew 7:3. > I did. Matthew talks of blindness. > Best, > Chad > Athough blind, I have a pearl. If I drop it, I can stumble > around till I find it. You cannot begin to look for it even > knowing it’s there, because you have a speck in your > eye which taunts you with your sightedness. > You are so preoccupied with the speck in your eye > you cannot afford to stumble to begin to find the pearl… > Chad Andrew Herring > University of Chicago Divinity School > Theological Ethics Program > Oak Park, IL > Nor even read Matthew 7:6, who warns: > "Do not give dogs what is sacred, do not throw your > pearls to pigs. If you do, they may trample them under > their feet, and then turn and tear you to pieces." > We are fighting for SURVIVAL. > Matthew 7.7-8 adds: "Ask and it will be given to you, > seek and you shall find, knock and the door will be > opened." > I recommend you live by Matthew 7.13-14: > "Enter through the narrow gate. For wide is the > gate and broad is the road that leads to destruction, > and many enter through it. But small is the gate > and narrow the road that leads to life, and only > few find it." > One of us is a liar, Disciple Chad. One of us must go… > and take his coven of evil doers with him to suffer The > SYNDROME together, alone. > Who are the liars and HOWE COME they’re here, > Disciple Chad? I’m obviously sellin somethin, so that > makes me suspect and probably a con man. My claims > are sweeping and unreasonable and illogical. > Or do you fear hate and attempt to tear Jerry to pieces > cause Jerry TEACHES something which HURTS your > fragile defective EGO? > Dog and child behavior problems are caused by mishandling > and abuse, because THAT is your HUMAN NATURE. > One of us must die.

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HOWEDY Disciple chad, > On 06 Jun 2002, Jerry Howe opined: > HOWEDY chad, > If you don’t have anything to contribute to our dog behavior forum I > suggest you’ll be MOORE comfortable over at the mensa or kibo groups.

And you continue to avoid the truth… > We’re trying to improve ourselves, so don’t stick around where you’ll > be uncomfortable and feel embarrassed. Good LUCK in all your > endeavors. Dog training doesn’t rely on LUCK, so adios… muchacha. > Jerry. > ROTFL! Jerry asking someone else to leave the newsgroup!

Ask? Jerry doesn’t ask. Jerry teaches, and Jerry’s students will demonstrate, and no one will ASK NUTHIN, Disciple Chad. > BAAAAWAWAWAJA. He has me laughing in spanish.

That’s part of The SYNDROME, Disciple Chad. > Sounds like you’re a bit stressed at my presence, Jerry.

You and your ilk have been my bread and butter for 40 years, Disciple Chad. I stress over you no MOORE than my toast… butter or not. > I think I’m doing just fine "contributing" to the newsgroup,

You have embraced lies and deception, Disciple Chad. I cautioned you about honesty and credibility in my Camp. > thank you very much.

But you failed to listen. > Is this your best response to your gaffed attempt > at posting as someone else.

You call Jerry a liar, Disciple Chad? That’s a sorry thing to do, Disciple Chad. The archives will prove my words to be true and consistant as the sunrise, Disciple Chad. OTHERWISE THE METHOD WOULD FAIL. > BTW:  Go read Matthew 7:3.

I did. Matthew talks of blindness. > Best, > Chad

Athough blind, I have a pearl. If I drop it, I can stumble around till I find it. You cannot begin to look for it even knowing it’s there, because you have a speck in your eye which taunts you with your sightedness. You are so preoccupied with the speck in your eye you cannot afford to stumble to begin to find the pearl… > Chad Andrew Herring > University of Chicago Divinity School > Theological Ethics Program > Oak Park, IL

Nor even read Matthew 7:6, who warns: "Do not give dogs what is sacred, do not throw your pearls to pigs. If you do, they may trample them under their feet, and then turn and tear you to pieces." We are fighting for SURVIVAL. Matthew 7.7-8 adds: "Ask and it will be given to you, seek and you shall find, knock and the door will be opened." I recommend you live by Matthew 7.13-14: "Enter through the narrow gate. For wide is the gate and broad is the road that leads to destruction, and many enter through it. But small is the gate and narrow the road that leads to life, and only few find it." One of us is a liar, Disciple Chad. One of us must go… and take his coven of evil doers with him to suffer The SYNDROME together, alone. Who are the liars and HOWE COME they’re here, Disciple Chad? I’m obviously sellin somethin, so that makes me suspect and probably a con man. My claims are sweeping and unreasonable and illogical. Or do you fear hate and attempt to tear Jerry to pieces cause Jerry TEACHES something which HURTS your fragile defective EGO? Dog and child behavior problems are caused by mishandling and abuse, because THAT is your HUMAN NATURE. One of us must die.

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You disabled your "kats" via tendonectomy for convenience. – Hide quoted text — Show quoted text -> STOP CROSSPOSTING TO CAT NEWSGROUPS PLEASE, IT’S COMMON SENSE AND > COURTESY. > Telling him so isn’t going to help, I’m afraid (it’s been tried, a lot). > Jerry is, to all appearances, crazy.    He’s also a spammer; he wants to > crosspost because he’s trying to peddle a crackpot gizmo. > (I’m actually amazed he manages to crosspost… usually he can only spell > it "kats.") > — > Karen J. Cravens > followups set to rpdb

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> STOP CROSSPOSTING TO CAT NEWSGROUPS PLEASE, IT’S COMMON SENSE AND

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You’re a liar and a dog abuser…      Elaine McClung, President of Pet Rescue, Animal Commissioner      Brevard Co FL, writes:      Hi Jerry,      I received email from Mark Shaw on 10/6 which I just read today.      Sorry I didn’t have time to get to it sooner. We have had a lot      going on in our area concerning animals. We formed a new Task      Force to address spay/neuter, pet overpopulation and animal      abuse. I needed to do a lot of research before the first meeting and      time was just not available for anything else.      Anyway the letter went on to say that we are in collusion, I tried      to defraud him, and have sent none of the materials that he has      asked for although he has yet to furnish the P. O. Box number that      he wanted them sent to in the first place. He goes on to state that      I am no longer eligible for the "fictions reward." All of this is in      answer to postings that prove I was "sharing" his email with you      which in his opinion was a breach of good manners. His email only      had terms and conditions of the reward which I would consider      "public information."      Be that as it may, I would like to state that you had my permission      to post any email I have sent you regarding DDR including this      email.      I’m very sorry that you have to put up with this type of situation      from someone that obviously never intended to make good on his      reward offer in the first place.      I had a call from a friend of mine with a very aggressive cat. I      have loaned her my DDR for a few weeks to see if it will calm JR      down. I will let you know the results. She goes to the same holistic      vet that I go to and he is also interested.      In case Mark does post to the list again I would like to say that I      do very much believe that DDR will help JR as I know it has helped      my dogs and cats. I have entirely too much to do, to worry about his      opinions or reward.      The only reason I was willing to apply for the reward was on your      behalf as I do think your product is a valuable tool in helping with      aggression and other behavior problems.      I am in Feral Cat Network (we spay and neuter approximately 100      feral cats a month), I am also a member of a local AKC dog      obedience club, member of a local AKC agility club, president of      Pet Rescue, board member of the Alliance for Care and Welfare of      Animals (on the board are: county commissioner, vet. rep., rep. from      AKC dog club, CFA cat club, assistant County manager, head of      animal control, director of two different shelters, etc.) and Space      Coast Feline Network http://www.spacecoastfelinenetwork.com      I listed these not to be on an ego trip but to let Mark know that I      am involved with animals and have very little time to play games      with him also I would not recommend your product if I did not      believe in it.      Please feel free to post this email as it has no copyright on it as      did Mark Shaw’s last email to me.      Take care Jerry and don’t let the Mark’s of the world get you down.      Elaine      Thank you, Elaine. I have been trying to educate the mark’s of this      world, with some occasional successes. I guess that’s variable      reinforcement?      Yours, Jerry. Elaine McClung, President of Pet Rescue, Animal Commissioner      Brevard Co FL, writes: Sep 9, 2000      "I ordered from Jerry a long time ago.. He was helpful and      the order was filled promptly. Yes, Doggie Do Right does      indeed exist.      I "had" a very aggressive female Pit.. She was showing      aggression not only towards Dok, Rhodesian Ridgeback,      but our cats and even us.      She now plays with Dok, even to the point of allowing him      to take a toy or bone from her. She no longer shows any      aggression towards us. She is showing some aggression      towards the cats but that is down to a warning growl.      It is not just my opinion that all this aggression existed      before Doggie Do Right as we were advised by three vets      to euthanize her.      I do very much believe that DDR will help JR as I know it      has helped my dogs and cats. I do think your product is a      valuable tool in helping with aggression and other behavior      problems.      I am in Feral CatNetwork (we spay and neuter approximately      100 feral cats a month), I am also a member of a local AKC      dog obedience club, member of a local AKC agility club,      president of Pet Rescue, board member of the Alliance for      Care and Welfare of Animals (on the board are: county      commissioner, vet. rep., rep. from AKC dog club, CFA cat      club, assistant County manager, head of animal control,      director of two different shelters, etc.) and Space      Coast Feline Network http://www.spacecoastfelinenetwork.com      Thanks, Elaine, Subj: Fear of Thunder To: Witsenddog Dear Jerry, I hope you’ll be able to post this message so more people who are at their wit’s end will be able to help their dogs. To review: Our puppy was uncomfortable during thunder storms. At the beginning of the problem, she paced restlessly from room to room. She couldn’t settle and sleep. From there the problem grew. She would run to the far southeast corner of the house (which makes sense because most storms here come from the northwest) and she’d cower in the corner of the couch and shake. !st attempt to help her: I’d pick her up, brush and massage her (call me a nut – I’ve sung to her when I’ve done her daily brushing since she was tiny so of course I sang too) and when she relaxed, I’d put her in her crate. She then slept and I thought the problem was solved. Traumatic event: We were out in the park playing with one of her doggy friends when it began to rain. On the way home, there was the loudest, longest, thunder clap I’ve ever heard. From that day on, the problem got worse and worse. I couldn’t calm her with singing and massage. The fear spread. She wouldn’t go out if it was raining. No thunder, just gently summer rain, and she wouldn’t go out. The solution: I surfed the net and came across a free manual Wit’s End Dog Training Method and a product called Doggy Do Right that seemed better than anything else I came across. A phone call to Jerry Howe, author of the manual and Director of Research, Biosound Scientific, convince me to try both the manual and the product. Problem solved: I followed Jerry’s suggestions  (more phone calls – he is most generous with his time and advice). The first two thunder storms my puppy was restless but not running around in a blind panic. The third storm, she barked her deep, stranger danger bark after each clap of thunder. The fourth storm, she seemed uneasy at first. Soon she was asleep at my feet and she napped through the rest of the storm. A miracle. I am endlessly grateful to Jerry for his manual and his machine. A word about Doggy Do Right. It is odd to buy a machine that emits a sound I cannot hear. I took the chance because Jerry offered a full refund including shipping. Though I heard nothing, my puppy clearly did. When I first turned on the machine, she got the cutest, most quizzical look on her face. She looked at me as if to say: "What’s that? I never heard that before." She looks at the machine when it is on. She rests on the floor beneath it. It is obvious from her behavior that she is aware of its cycles. Amazing. Thank you Jerry.      Hi Jerry,      I wrote to you a week or so ago about the unit. I have since      borrowed one from Elaine Mc Clung. She speaks very      highly of it.      So, I brought it home and plugged it in. Of course, I      wanted it to come on, all the barking stop, and have every      one immediately fall to the floor in little comas for a few      hours. Well, after I got all 27 of them to be quiet, still no      comas. But, it had only been 36 seconds at that point. So,      I gave it a little longer. Still no comas. Was this really      going to work? I mean, I do have an unusual situation.      So, by bedtime, a few hours later. I started to notice just      how many were asleep already – with their feet in the air! I      started to have hope. During the night, all was calm. In the      morning when I got up, only a few of them WALKED quietly      to the door to go out. Not the usual evacuation.      I had the unit from Sunday afternoon until Tuesday      Morning. I was certainly pleased with the night effect. I      wasn’t so sure about the amount of the day time effect.      Until I took it back. Within half an hour, the monsters had      resurfaced. I wondered if I could break into Elaine’s house      and if she would notice      I know another person who does dog rescue. She rescues      Beagles. She has 23 in an 1100 square foot house. God      bless her. She is interested to see if it will work for her. I      also spoke to someone else who does cat rescue, and      she is interested. The cat rescue people have monthly      meetings. Maybe Elaine could give a word or two about it.      So, if there are any words of advice you can send my way      about the best way to use it in my case, I would appreciate      it. I of course wanted to keep it on the highest setting, but      don’t know if that is advised, even with my situation of so      many new ones coming and (too few) going.      Also, how I and others can go about getting one, etc. I      think the vets should have the info in their offices. It must      help dogs with separation anxiety. My vet practices      homeopathic as well as traditional medicine, so I      would think it would be right up her alley.      Thank you.      Desiree

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> STOP CROSSPOSTING TO CAT NEWSGROUPS PLEASE, IT’S COMMON SENSE AND > COURTESY.

Telling him so isn’t going to help, I’m afraid (it’s been tried, a lot).   Jerry is, to all appearances, crazy.    He’s also a spammer; he wants to crosspost because he’s trying to peddle a crackpot gizmo. (I’m actually amazed he manages to crosspost… usually he can only spell it "kats.") — Karen J. Cravens followups set to rpdb

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Kelly wrote in rec.pets.dogs.behavior: > STOP CROSSPOSTING TO CAT NEWSGROUPS PLEASE, IT’S COMMON > SENSE AND COURTESY.

Yelling won’t stop Jerry Howe, so shut off the caps. Killfile the guy, most of us have.  And please don’t repost his entire message – he’s been killfiled for a reason. [followups] — –Matt.  Rocky’s a Dog.

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Not hurting animals is common sense and courtesy and human decency. Tell your pals to stop using fear force and aversives and killin animals as a cure and learn HOWE to handle and train their pets so they don’t got to mutilate hurt and kill them to control behavior problems our animal lovers CAUSE. Jerry.

– Hide quoted text — Show quoted text -> STOP CROSSPOSTING TO CAT NEWSGROUPS PLEASE, IT’S COMMON SENSE AND COURTESY. > HOWEDY Disciple chad, > > On 06 Jun 2002, Jerry Howe opined: > > > HOWEDY chad, > > > If you don’t have anything to contribute to our dog behavior forum I > > > suggest you’ll be MOORE comfortable over at the mensa or kibo groups. > And you continue to avoid the truth… > > > We’re trying to improve ourselves, so don’t stick around where you’ll > > > be uncomfortable and feel embarrassed. Good LUCK in all your > > > endeavors. Dog training doesn’t rely on LUCK, so adios… muchacha. > > > Jerry. > > ROTFL! Jerry asking someone else to leave the newsgroup! > Ask? Jerry doesn’t ask. Jerry teaches, and Jerry’s students > will demonstrate, and no one will ASK NUTHIN, Disciple Chad. > > BAAAAWAWAWAJA. He has me laughing in spanish. > That’s part of The SYNDROME, Disciple Chad. > > Sounds like you’re a bit stressed at my presence, Jerry. > You and your ilk have been my bread and butter for 40 years, > Disciple Chad. I stress over you no MOORE than my toast… > butter or not. > > I think I’m doing just fine "contributing" to the newsgroup, > You have embraced lies and deception, Disciple Chad. > I cautioned you about honesty and credibility in my Camp. > > thank you very much. > But you failed to listen. > > Is this your best response to your gaffed attempt > > at posting as someone else. > You call Jerry a liar, Disciple Chad? That’s a sorry thing > to do, Disciple Chad. The archives will prove my words > to be true and consistant as the sunrise, Disciple Chad. > OTHERWISE THE METHOD WOULD FAIL. > > BTW:  Go read Matthew 7:3. > I did. Matthew talks of blindness. > > Best, > > Chad > Athough blind, I have a pearl. If I drop it, I can stumble > around till I find it. You cannot begin to look for it even > knowing it’s there, because you have a speck in your > eye which taunts you with your sightedness. > You are so preoccupied with the speck in your eye > you cannot afford to stumble to begin to find the pearl… > > Chad Andrew Herring > > University of Chicago Divinity School > > Theological Ethics Program > > Oak Park, IL > Nor even read Matthew 7:6, who warns: > "Do not give dogs what is sacred, do not throw your > pearls to pigs. If you do, they may trample them under > their feet, and then turn and tear you to pieces." > We are fighting for SURVIVAL. > Matthew 7.7-8 adds: "Ask and it will be given to you, > seek and you shall find, knock and the door will be > opened." > I recommend you live by Matthew 7.13-14: > "Enter through the narrow gate. For wide is the > gate and broad is the road that leads to destruction, > and many enter through it. But small is the gate > and narrow the road that leads to life, and only > few find it." > One of us is a liar, Disciple Chad. One of us must go… > and take his coven of evil doers with him to suffer The > SYNDROME together, alone. > Who are the liars and HOWE COME they’re here, > Disciple Chad? I’m obviously sellin somethin, so that > makes me suspect and probably a con man. My claims > are sweeping and unreasonable and illogical. > Or do you fear hate and attempt to tear Jerry to pieces > cause Jerry TEACHES something which HURTS your > fragile defective EGO? > Dog and child behavior problems are caused by mishandling > and abuse, because THAT is your HUMAN NATURE. > One of us must die.

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STOP CROSSPOSTING TO CAT NEWSGROUPS PLEASE, IT’S COMMON SENSE AND COURTESY. – Hide quoted text — Show quoted text -> HOWEDY Disciple chad, > On 06 Jun 2002, Jerry Howe opined: > > HOWEDY chad, > > If you don’t have anything to contribute to our dog behavior forum I > > suggest you’ll be MOORE comfortable over at the mensa or kibo groups. > And you continue to avoid the truth… > > We’re trying to improve ourselves, so don’t stick around where you’ll > > be uncomfortable and feel embarrassed. Good LUCK in all your > > endeavors. Dog training doesn’t rely on LUCK, so adios… muchacha. > > Jerry. > ROTFL! Jerry asking someone else to leave the newsgroup! > Ask? Jerry doesn’t ask. Jerry teaches, and Jerry’s students > will demonstrate, and no one will ASK NUTHIN, Disciple Chad. > BAAAAWAWAWAJA. He has me laughing in spanish. > That’s part of The SYNDROME, Disciple Chad. > Sounds like you’re a bit stressed at my presence, Jerry. > You and your ilk have been my bread and butter for 40 years, > Disciple Chad. I stress over you no MOORE than my toast… > butter or not. > I think I’m doing just fine "contributing" to the newsgroup, > You have embraced lies and deception, Disciple Chad. > I cautioned you about honesty and credibility in my Camp. > thank you very much. > But you failed to listen. > Is this your best response to your gaffed attempt > at posting as someone else. > You call Jerry a liar, Disciple Chad? That’s a sorry thing > to do, Disciple Chad. The archives will prove my words > to be true and consistant as the sunrise, Disciple Chad. > OTHERWISE THE METHOD WOULD FAIL. > BTW:  Go read Matthew 7:3. > I did. Matthew talks of blindness. > Best, > Chad > Athough blind, I have a pearl. If I drop it, I can stumble > around till I find it. You cannot begin to look for it even > knowing it’s there, because you have a speck in your > eye which taunts you with your sightedness. > You are so preoccupied with the speck in your eye > you cannot afford to stumble to begin to find the pearl… > Chad Andrew Herring > University of Chicago Divinity School > Theological Ethics Program > Oak Park, IL > Nor even read Matthew 7:6, who warns: > "Do not give dogs what is sacred, do not throw your > pearls to pigs. If you do, they may trample them under > their feet, and then turn and tear you to pieces." > We are fighting for SURVIVAL. > Matthew 7.7-8 adds: "Ask and it will be given to you, > seek and you shall find, knock and the door will be > opened." > I recommend you live by Matthew 7.13-14: > "Enter through the narrow gate. For wide is the > gate and broad is the road that leads to destruction, > and many enter through it. But small is the gate > and narrow the road that leads to life, and only > few find it." > One of us is a liar, Disciple Chad. One of us must go… > and take his coven of evil doers with him to suffer The > SYNDROME together, alone. > Who are the liars and HOWE COME they’re here, > Disciple Chad? I’m obviously sellin somethin, so that > makes me suspect and probably a con man. My claims > are sweeping and unreasonable and illogical. > Or do you fear hate and attempt to tear Jerry to pieces > cause Jerry TEACHES something which HURTS your > fragile defective EGO? > Dog and child behavior problems are caused by mishandling > and abuse, because THAT is your HUMAN NATURE. > One of us must die.

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HOWEDY Disciple chad, > On 06 Jun 2002, Jerry Howe opined: > HOWEDY chad, > If you don’t have anything to contribute to our dog behavior forum I > suggest you’ll be MOORE comfortable over at the mensa or kibo groups.

And you continue to avoid the truth… > We’re trying to improve ourselves, so don’t stick around where you’ll > be uncomfortable and feel embarrassed. Good LUCK in all your > endeavors. Dog training doesn’t rely on LUCK, so adios… muchacha. > Jerry. > ROTFL! Jerry asking someone else to leave the newsgroup!

Ask? Jerry doesn’t ask. Jerry teaches, and Jerry’s students will demonstrate, and no one will ASK NUTHIN, Disciple Chad. > BAAAAWAWAWAJA. He has me laughing in spanish.

That’s part of The SYNDROME, Disciple Chad. > Sounds like you’re a bit stressed at my presence, Jerry.

You and your ilk have been my bread and butter for 40 years, Disciple Chad. I stress over you no MOORE than my toast… butter or not. > I think I’m doing just fine "contributing" to the newsgroup,

You have embraced lies and deception, Disciple Chad. I cautioned you about honesty and credibility in my Camp. > thank you very much.

But you failed to listen. > Is this your best response to your gaffed attempt > at posting as someone else.

You call Jerry a liar, Disciple Chad? That’s a sorry thing to do, Disciple Chad. The archives will prove my words to be true and consistant as the sunrise, Disciple Chad. OTHERWISE THE METHOD WOULD FAIL. > BTW:  Go read Matthew 7:3.

I did. Matthew talks of blindness. > Best, > Chad

Athough blind, I have a pearl. If I drop it, I can stumble around till I find it. You cannot begin to look for it even knowing it’s there, because you have a speck in your eye which taunts you with your sightedness. You are so preoccupied with the speck in your eye you cannot afford to stumble to begin to find the pearl… > Chad Andrew Herring > University of Chicago Divinity School > Theological Ethics Program > Oak Park, IL

Nor even read Matthew 7:6, who warns: "Do not give dogs what is sacred, do not throw your pearls to pigs. If you do, they may trample them under their feet, and then turn and tear you to pieces." We are fighting for SURVIVAL. Matthew 7.7-8 adds: "Ask and it will be given to you, seek and you shall find, knock and the door will be opened." I recommend you live by Matthew 7.13-14: "Enter through the narrow gate. For wide is the gate and broad is the road that leads to destruction, and many enter through it. But small is the gate and narrow the road that leads to life, and only few find it." One of us is a liar, Disciple Chad. One of us must go… and take his coven of evil doers with him to suffer The SYNDROME together, alone. Who are the liars and HOWE COME they’re here, Disciple Chad? I’m obviously sellin somethin, so that makes me suspect and probably a con man. My claims are sweeping and unreasonable and illogical. Or do you fear hate and attempt to tear Jerry to pieces cause Jerry TEACHES something which HURTS your fragile defective EGO? Dog and child behavior problems are caused by mishandling and abuse, because THAT is your HUMAN NATURE. One of us must die.

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You disabled your "kats" via tendonectomy for convenience. – Hide quoted text — Show quoted text -> STOP CROSSPOSTING TO CAT NEWSGROUPS PLEASE, IT’S COMMON SENSE AND > COURTESY. > Telling him so isn’t going to help, I’m afraid (it’s been tried, a lot). > Jerry is, to all appearances, crazy.    He’s also a spammer; he wants to > crosspost because he’s trying to peddle a crackpot gizmo. > (I’m actually amazed he manages to crosspost… usually he can only spell > it "kats.") > — > Karen J. Cravens > followups set to rpdb

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> STOP CROSSPOSTING TO CAT NEWSGROUPS PLEASE, IT’S COMMON SENSE AND

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You’re a liar and a dog abuser…      Elaine McClung, President of Pet Rescue, Animal Commissioner      Brevard Co FL, writes:      Hi Jerry,      I received email from Mark Shaw on 10/6 which I just read today.      Sorry I didn’t have time to get to it sooner. We have had a lot      going on in our area concerning animals. We formed a new Task      Force to address spay/neuter, pet overpopulation and animal      abuse. I needed to do a lot of research before the first meeting and      time was just not available for anything else.      Anyway the letter went on to say that we are in collusion, I tried      to defraud him, and have sent none of the materials that he has      asked for although he has yet to furnish the P. O. Box number that      he wanted them sent to in the first place. He goes on to state that      I am no longer eligible for the "fictions reward." All of this is in      answer to postings that prove I was "sharing" his email with you      which in his opinion was a breach of good manners. His email only      had terms and conditions of the reward which I would consider      "public information."      Be that as it may, I would like to state that you had my permission      to post any email I have sent you regarding DDR including this      email.      I’m very sorry that you have to put up with this type of situation      from someone that obviously never intended to make good on his      reward offer in the first place.      I had a call from a friend of mine with a very aggressive cat. I      have loaned her my DDR for a few weeks to see if it will calm JR      down. I will let you know the results. She goes to the same holistic      vet that I go to and he is also interested.      In case Mark does post to the list again I would like to say that I      do very much believe that DDR will help JR as I know it has helped      my dogs and cats. I have entirely too much to do, to worry about his      opinions or reward.      The only reason I was willing to apply for the reward was on your      behalf as I do think your product is a valuable tool in helping with      aggression and other behavior problems.      I am in Feral Cat Network (we spay and neuter approximately 100      feral cats a month), I am also a member of a local AKC dog      obedience club, member of a local AKC agility club, president of      Pet Rescue, board member of the Alliance for Care and Welfare of      Animals (on the board are: county commissioner, vet. rep., rep. from      AKC dog club, CFA cat club, assistant County manager, head of      animal control, director of two different shelters, etc.) and Space      Coast Feline Network http://www.spacecoastfelinenetwork.com      I listed these not to be on an ego trip but to let Mark know that I      am involved with animals and have very little time to play games      with him also I would not recommend your product if I did not      believe in it.      Please feel free to post this email as it has no copyright on it as      did Mark Shaw’s last email to me.      Take care Jerry and don’t let the Mark’s of the world get you down.      Elaine      Thank you, Elaine. I have been trying to educate the mark’s of this      world, with some occasional successes. I guess that’s variable      reinforcement?      Yours, Jerry. Elaine McClung, President of Pet Rescue, Animal Commissioner      Brevard Co FL, writes: Sep 9, 2000      "I ordered from Jerry a long time ago.. He was helpful and      the order was filled promptly. Yes, Doggie Do Right does      indeed exist.      I "had" a very aggressive female Pit.. She was showing      aggression not only towards Dok, Rhodesian Ridgeback,      but our cats and even us.      She now plays with Dok, even to the point of allowing him      to take a toy or bone from her. She no longer shows any      aggression towards us. She is showing some aggression      towards the cats but that is down to a warning growl.      It is not just my opinion that all this aggression existed      before Doggie Do Right as we were advised by three vets      to euthanize her.      I do very much believe that DDR will help JR as I know it      has helped my dogs and cats. I do think your product is a      valuable tool in helping with aggression and other behavior      problems.      I am in Feral CatNetwork (we spay and neuter approximately      100 feral cats a month), I am also a member of a local AKC      dog obedience club, member of a local AKC agility club,      president of Pet Rescue, board member of the Alliance for      Care and Welfare of Animals (on the board are: county      commissioner, vet. rep., rep. from AKC dog club, CFA cat      club, assistant County manager, head of animal control,      director of two different shelters, etc.) and Space      Coast Feline Network http://www.spacecoastfelinenetwork.com      Thanks, Elaine, Subj: Fear of Thunder To: Witsenddog Dear Jerry, I hope you’ll be able to post this message so more people who are at their wit’s end will be able to help their dogs. To review: Our puppy was uncomfortable during thunder storms. At the beginning of the problem, she paced restlessly from room to room. She couldn’t settle and sleep. From there the problem grew. She would run to the far southeast corner of the house (which makes sense because most storms here come from the northwest) and she’d cower in the corner of the couch and shake. !st attempt to help her: I’d pick her up, brush and massage her (call me a nut – I’ve sung to her when I’ve done her daily brushing since she was tiny so of course I sang too) and when she relaxed, I’d put her in her crate. She then slept and I thought the problem was solved. Traumatic event: We were out in the park playing with one of her doggy friends when it began to rain. On the way home, there was the loudest, longest, thunder clap I’ve ever heard. From that day on, the problem got worse and worse. I couldn’t calm her with singing and massage. The fear spread. She wouldn’t go out if it was raining. No thunder, just gently summer rain, and she wouldn’t go out. The solution: I surfed the net and came across a free manual Wit’s End Dog Training Method and a product called Doggy Do Right that seemed better than anything else I came across. A phone call to Jerry Howe, author of the manual and Director of Research, Biosound Scientific, convince me to try both the manual and the product. Problem solved: I followed Jerry’s suggestions  (more phone calls – he is most generous with his time and advice). The first two thunder storms my puppy was restless but not running around in a blind panic. The third storm, she barked her deep, stranger danger bark after each clap of thunder. The fourth storm, she seemed uneasy at first. Soon she was asleep at my feet and she napped through the rest of the storm. A miracle. I am endlessly grateful to Jerry for his manual and his machine. A word about Doggy Do Right. It is odd to buy a machine that emits a sound I cannot hear. I took the chance because Jerry offered a full refund including shipping. Though I heard nothing, my puppy clearly did. When I first turned on the machine, she got the cutest, most quizzical look on her face. She looked at me as if to say: "What’s that? I never heard that before." She looks at the machine when it is on. She rests on the floor beneath it. It is obvious from her behavior that she is aware of its cycles. Amazing. Thank you Jerry.      Hi Jerry,      I wrote to you a week or so ago about the unit. I have since      borrowed one from Elaine Mc Clung. She speaks very      highly of it.      So, I brought it home and plugged it in. Of course, I      wanted it to come on, all the barking stop, and have every      one immediately fall to the floor in little comas for a few      hours. Well, after I got all 27 of them to be quiet, still no      comas. But, it had only been 36 seconds at that point. So,      I gave it a little longer. Still no comas. Was this really      going to work? I mean, I do have an unusual situation.      So, by bedtime, a few hours later. I started to notice just      how many were asleep already – with their feet in the air! I      started to have hope. During the night, all was calm. In the      morning when I got up, only a few of them WALKED quietly      to the door to go out. Not the usual evacuation.      I had the unit from Sunday afternoon until Tuesday      Morning. I was certainly pleased with the night effect. I      wasn’t so sure about the amount of the day time effect.      Until I took it back. Within half an hour, the monsters had      resurfaced. I wondered if I could break into Elaine’s house      and if she would notice      I know another person who does dog rescue. She rescues      Beagles. She has 23 in an 1100 square foot house. God      bless her. She is interested to see if it will work for her. I      also spoke to someone else who does cat rescue, and      she is interested. The cat rescue people have monthly      meetings. Maybe Elaine could give a word or two about it.      So, if there are any words of advice you can send my way      about the best way to use it in my case, I would appreciate      it. I of course wanted to keep it on the highest setting, but      don’t know if that is advised, even with my situation of so      many new ones coming and (too few) going.      Also, how I and others can go about getting one, etc. I      think the vets should have the info in their offices. It must      help dogs with separation anxiety. My vet practices      homeopathic as well as traditional medicine, so I      would think it would be right up her alley.      Thank you.      Desiree

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> STOP CROSSPOSTING TO CAT NEWSGROUPS PLEASE, IT’S COMMON SENSE AND > COURTESY.

Telling him so isn’t going to help, I’m afraid (it’s been tried, a lot).   Jerry is, to all appearances, crazy.    He’s also a spammer; he wants to crosspost because he’s trying to peddle a crackpot gizmo. (I’m actually amazed he manages to crosspost… usually he can only spell it "kats.") — Karen J. Cravens followups set to rpdb

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Kelly wrote in rec.pets.dogs.behavior: > STOP CROSSPOSTING TO CAT NEWSGROUPS PLEASE, IT’S COMMON > SENSE AND COURTESY.

Yelling won’t stop Jerry Howe, so shut off the caps. Killfile the guy, most of us have.  And please don’t repost his entire message – he’s been killfiled for a reason. [followups] — –Matt.  Rocky’s a Dog.

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Not hurting animals is common sense and courtesy and human decency. Tell your pals to stop using fear force and aversives and killin animals as a cure and learn HOWE to handle and train their pets so they don’t got to mutilate hurt and kill them to control behavior problems our animal lovers CAUSE. Jerry.

– Hide quoted text — Show quoted text -> STOP CROSSPOSTING TO CAT NEWSGROUPS PLEASE, IT’S COMMON SENSE AND COURTESY. > HOWEDY Disciple chad, > > On 06 Jun 2002, Jerry Howe opined: > > > HOWEDY chad, > > > If you don’t have anything to contribute to our dog behavior forum I > > > suggest you’ll be MOORE comfortable over at the mensa or kibo groups. > And you continue to avoid the truth… > > > We’re trying to improve ourselves, so don’t stick around where you’ll > > > be uncomfortable and feel embarrassed. Good LUCK in all your > > > endeavors. Dog training doesn’t rely on LUCK, so adios… muchacha. > > > Jerry. > > ROTFL! Jerry asking someone else to leave the newsgroup! > Ask? Jerry doesn’t ask. Jerry teaches, and Jerry’s students > will demonstrate, and no one will ASK NUTHIN, Disciple Chad. > > BAAAAWAWAWAJA. He has me laughing in spanish. > That’s part of The SYNDROME, Disciple Chad. > > Sounds like you’re a bit stressed at my presence, Jerry. > You and your ilk have been my bread and butter for 40 years, > Disciple Chad. I stress over you no MOORE than my toast… > butter or not. > > I think I’m doing just fine "contributing" to the newsgroup, > You have embraced lies and deception, Disciple Chad. > I cautioned you about honesty and credibility in my Camp. > > thank you very much. > But you failed to listen. > > Is this your best response to your gaffed attempt > > at posting as someone else. > You call Jerry a liar, Disciple Chad? That’s a sorry thing > to do, Disciple Chad. The archives will prove my words > to be true and consistant as the sunrise, Disciple Chad. > OTHERWISE THE METHOD WOULD FAIL. > > BTW:  Go read Matthew 7:3. > I did. Matthew talks of blindness. > > Best, > > Chad > Athough blind, I have a pearl. If I drop it, I can stumble > around till I find it. You cannot begin to look for it even > knowing it’s there, because you have a speck in your > eye which taunts you with your sightedness. > You are so preoccupied with the speck in your eye > you cannot afford to stumble to begin to find the pearl… > > Chad Andrew Herring > > University of Chicago Divinity School > > Theological Ethics Program > > Oak Park, IL > Nor even read Matthew 7:6, who warns: > "Do not give dogs what is sacred, do not throw your > pearls to pigs. If you do, they may trample them under > their feet, and then turn and tear you to pieces." > We are fighting for SURVIVAL. > Matthew 7.7-8 adds: "Ask and it will be given to you, > seek and you shall find, knock and the door will be > opened." > I recommend you live by Matthew 7.13-14: > "Enter through the narrow gate. For wide is the > gate and broad is the road that leads to destruction, > and many enter through it. But small is the gate > and narrow the road that leads to life, and only > few find it." > One of us is a liar, Disciple Chad. One of us must go… > and take his coven of evil doers with him to suffer The > SYNDROME together, alone. > Who are the liars and HOWE COME they’re here, > Disciple Chad? I’m obviously sellin somethin, so that > makes me suspect and probably a con man. My claims > are sweeping and unreasonable and illogical. > Or do you fear hate and attempt to tear Jerry to pieces > cause Jerry TEACHES something which HURTS your > fragile defective EGO? > Dog and child behavior problems are caused by mishandling > and abuse, because THAT is your HUMAN NATURE. > One of us must die.

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STOP CROSSPOSTING TO CAT NEWSGROUPS PLEASE, IT’S COMMON SENSE AND COURTESY. – Hide quoted text — Show quoted text -> HOWEDY Disciple chad, > On 06 Jun 2002, Jerry Howe opined: > > HOWEDY chad, > > If you don’t have anything to contribute to our dog behavior forum I > > suggest you’ll be MOORE comfortable over at the mensa or kibo groups. > And you continue to avoid the truth… > > We’re trying to improve ourselves, so don’t stick around where you’ll > > be uncomfortable and feel embarrassed. Good LUCK in all your > > endeavors. Dog training doesn’t rely on LUCK, so adios… muchacha. > > Jerry. > ROTFL! Jerry asking someone else to leave the newsgroup! > Ask? Jerry doesn’t ask. Jerry teaches, and Jerry’s students > will demonstrate, and no one will ASK NUTHIN, Disciple Chad. > BAAAAWAWAWAJA. He has me laughing in spanish. > That’s part of The SYNDROME, Disciple Chad. > Sounds like you’re a bit stressed at my presence, Jerry. > You and your ilk have been my bread and butter for 40 years, > Disciple Chad. I stress over you no MOORE than my toast… > butter or not. > I think I’m doing just fine "contributing" to the newsgroup, > You have embraced lies and deception, Disciple Chad. > I cautioned you about honesty and credibility in my Camp. > thank you very much. > But you failed to listen. > Is this your best response to your gaffed attempt > at posting as someone else. > You call Jerry a liar, Disciple Chad? That’s a sorry thing > to do, Disciple Chad. The archives will prove my words > to be true and consistant as the sunrise, Disciple Chad. > OTHERWISE THE METHOD WOULD FAIL. > BTW:  Go read Matthew 7:3. > I did. Matthew talks of blindness. > Best, > Chad > Athough blind, I have a pearl. If I drop it, I can stumble > around till I find it. You cannot begin to look for it even > knowing it’s there, because you have a speck in your > eye which taunts you with your sightedness. > You are so preoccupied with the speck in your eye > you cannot afford to stumble to begin to find the pearl… > Chad Andrew Herring > University of Chicago Divinity School > Theological Ethics Program > Oak Park, IL > Nor even read Matthew 7:6, who warns: > "Do not give dogs what is sacred, do not throw your > pearls to pigs. If you do, they may trample them under > their feet, and then turn and tear you to pieces." > We are fighting for SURVIVAL. > Matthew 7.7-8 adds: "Ask and it will be given to you, > seek and you shall find, knock and the door will be > opened." > I recommend you live by Matthew 7.13-14: > "Enter through the narrow gate. For wide is the > gate and broad is the road that leads to destruction, > and many enter through it. But small is the gate > and narrow the road that leads to life, and only > few find it." > One of us is a liar, Disciple Chad. One of us must go… > and take his coven of evil doers with him to suffer The > SYNDROME together, alone. > Who are the liars and HOWE COME they’re here, > Disciple Chad? I’m obviously sellin somethin, so that > makes me suspect and probably a con man. My claims > are sweeping and unreasonable and illogical. > Or do you fear hate and attempt to tear Jerry to pieces > cause Jerry TEACHES something which HURTS your > fragile defective EGO? > Dog and child behavior problems are caused by mishandling > and abuse, because THAT is your HUMAN NATURE. > One of us must die.

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HOWEDY Disciple chad, > On 06 Jun 2002, Jerry Howe opined: > HOWEDY chad, > If you don’t have anything to contribute to our dog behavior forum I > suggest you’ll be MOORE comfortable over at the mensa or kibo groups.

And you continue to avoid the truth… > We’re trying to improve ourselves, so don’t stick around where you’ll > be uncomfortable and feel embarrassed. Good LUCK in all your > endeavors. Dog training doesn’t rely on LUCK, so adios… muchacha. > Jerry. > ROTFL! Jerry asking someone else to leave the newsgroup!

Ask? Jerry doesn’t ask. Jerry teaches, and Jerry’s students will demonstrate, and no one will ASK NUTHIN, Disciple Chad. > BAAAAWAWAWAJA. He has me laughing in spanish.

That’s part of The SYNDROME, Disciple Chad. > Sounds like you’re a bit stressed at my presence, Jerry.

You and your ilk have been my bread and butter for 40 years, Disciple Chad. I stress over you no MOORE than my toast… butter or not. > I think I’m doing just fine "contributing" to the newsgroup,

You have embraced lies and deception, Disciple Chad. I cautioned you about honesty and credibility in my Camp. > thank you very much.

But you failed to listen. > Is this your best response to your gaffed attempt > at posting as someone else.

You call Jerry a liar, Disciple Chad? That’s a sorry thing to do, Disciple Chad. The archives will prove my words to be true and consistant as the sunrise, Disciple Chad. OTHERWISE THE METHOD WOULD FAIL. > BTW:  Go read Matthew 7:3.

I did. Matthew talks of blindness. > Best, > Chad

Athough blind, I have a pearl. If I drop it, I can stumble around till I find it. You cannot begin to look for it even knowing it’s there, because you have a speck in your eye which taunts you with your sightedness. You are so preoccupied with the speck in your eye you cannot afford to stumble to begin to find the pearl… > Chad Andrew Herring > University of Chicago Divinity School > Theological Ethics Program > Oak Park, IL

Nor even read Matthew 7:6, who warns: "Do not give dogs what is sacred, do not throw your pearls to pigs. If you do, they may trample them under their feet, and then turn and tear you to pieces." We are fighting for SURVIVAL. Matthew 7.7-8 adds: "Ask and it will be given to you, seek and you shall find, knock and the door will be opened." I recommend you live by Matthew 7.13-14: "Enter through the narrow gate. For wide is the gate and broad is the road that leads to destruction, and many enter through it. But small is the gate and narrow the road that leads to life, and only few find it." One of us is a liar, Disciple Chad. One of us must go… and take his coven of evil doers with him to suffer The SYNDROME together, alone. Who are the liars and HOWE COME they’re here, Disciple Chad? I’m obviously sellin somethin, so that makes me suspect and probably a con man. My claims are sweeping and unreasonable and illogical. Or do you fear hate and attempt to tear Jerry to pieces cause Jerry TEACHES something which HURTS your fragile defective EGO? Dog and child behavior problems are caused by mishandling and abuse, because THAT is your HUMAN NATURE. One of us must die.

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– Hide quoted text — Show quoted text -> HOWEDY Black Topaz, > I would appreciate any advice from experienced trainers > I doubt that very much. Most of our trainers are incompetent > fools who hurt dogs because they fear dogs makin fools outta > them, injuring their fragile egos by EMBARRASSING THEM > and COSTIN THEM MONEY. So they stick together and BLAME > THE DOG for not being well bred enough to respect their tormentors. > They’ll fight to the death to defend their pronged spiked pinch > choke and shock collars and GL NECKBREAKER devices and > crates to lock their ill trained dogs in so they’re not holding the > bag for NOT BEING ABLE to TRAIN the puppy. > on suitable (safe) training collars for small/toy breeds, > I’ve specialized in temperament and behavior and protection > problems in mostly giant breed dogs for forty years. I train > a toy dog exactly the same as I do a giant aggressive dog. > There’s NO DIFFERENCE. A dog is a dog and must not > be hurt punished confronted or irresponsibly confined and > cruelly ignored because IT is asking for his mommy. > Crate training causes separation anxiet fear of thunder > and car sicknes… Collar training causes shyness, hyperactivity, > aggression and ALL COMPULSIVE BEHAVIOR DISORDERS. > and > And I’m gettin tired of arguing with rabid dog abusing lying Thugs > about it. Any trainer who uses a force or pain or corrective method > or device is a dog killer, BECAUSE THAT’S THE TRUTH. > ALL ANIMAL BEHAVIOR PROBLEMS ARE CAUSED BY MISHANDLING. ALL DOG BEHAVIOR > PROBLMES CAN > BE EXTINGUISHED AS SOON AS YOU STOP OPPOSING > HURTING INTIMIDATING CONFRONTING AND PUNISHING > YOUR DOG. > whether leash corrections should be used at all with these dogs. > You mean you question the wisdom of choking your puppy to teach > IT to want to love respect and follow you through the gates of heel? > GOOD POINT! > The only thing you got to hear is our dog lovers are lying > dog abusing Thugs and the proof is they’ll call me and > my 100% successful students liars, paid shills for Jerry, > sock puppets, forgeries, and animal fuckers. > That’s the state of the art here. Ask anybody here about using > your FREE copy of my FREE Wits’ End Dog Training Method > manual. They’ll tell you its dangerous and ineffective and they’ll > give you dozens or reasons for not trusting Jerry and his success. > Our dog lovers are liars and dog abusers and I’ve proven it. They > have no shame, only such fear that would allow them to continue > to face daily embarrassment in front of new readers like you. > They’re counting on the fact that if you’re not one of them, you’ll > dry up and blow away and our forum will retain ONLY the liars > and dog abusers who post here calling me and all other competent > trainers liars, to protect their alleged right to choke shock and kill > the dogs they cannot hurt and intimidate into respecting their > AUTHORITY. > We don’t have animal behavior problems we have HUMAN NATURE > problems. FEARING, HURTING and KILLING DOGS IS THEIR > HUMAN NATURE. Most of our dog lovers are koehler and shock > and pronged spiked pinch choke collar fans. > Any trainer who calles themself a BALANCED trainer is a goddamned > liar trying to defend his INABILITY to handle and train a dog without > HURTING them. > harnesses are the only option; buckle collar high on > neck around ears with one finger width underneath; martingale collars > OK; tiny prongs OK. > Bottom line is ANY touch while the dog is THINKING triggers > thigmotaxis an inhibits the dog from processing THOUGTS other > than the one he’s fixated on at the moment of pressure. >I am aware that > You’re aware of NUTHIN. You’re aware of the LIES and PRECONCIEVED > MISCONCEPTIONS our behaviorsts > are operating under. The universities that teach behaviorists > and endores alpha crating choke shock and punishemnt or > force training methods need to stop or have their licenses > to TEACH, revoked. > certain dogs have physical conditions that preclude use of > anything but a harness. > You mean certain dogs CAN’T BE HURT? That condition is > called being a living, thinking being, an animal, entrusted to > our care, management and HUMAN KINDNESS. > My first priority is the animal’s safety. > Well, safety is what provokes our dog lovers to hurt and kill their dogs. > All the EXCUSES our dog lovers rely on to justify hurting dogs is > FOR THEIR OWN GOOD! > Nobody here hurts and kills dogs cause they LIKE to, they do it > CAUSE THEY NEED TO. They’re POWERLESS in the face > of THEIR OWN HUMAN NATURE to fear and hurt and kill > what they DO NOT UNDERSTAND. > "If You Talk With The Animals, They Will Talk > With You And You Will Know Each Other. If > You Do Not Talk To Them, You Will Not Know > Them, And What You Do Not Know You Will Fear. > What One Fears, One Destroys," Chief Dan George, > adapted with permission from his FREE copy of my > FREE Wits’ End Dog Training Method manual available > for FREE at http://www.doggydoright.com > "It is by muteness that a dog becomes so utterly beyond value." > Like a confessor Priest? Don’t bet your dog won’t tell on you… > Their behaviors reflect our words, actions and training quirks. > Jerry HOWE. j;~) >  Thanks! > There’s a free text to speech reader at http://www.readplease.com > Do all the exercises and you’ll have a superdog in a couple days… > Your pal, Jerry "The PHONY," Howe. j;~) > The Wits’ End Dog Training Method > Jerry Howe > Copyright 2001 > Phone: 1-888-WITSEND > TABLE OF CONTENTS > INTRODUCTION 3 > HOW IS WITS’ END DOG TRAINING DIFFERENT? 4 > PART I > 1. METHODOLOGY 6 > 1A. Common Misunderstandings 7 > 1B. Learn Today! 9 > 2. GETTING STARTED 12 > 2A. First Things First: Proper Lead Handling 12 > 2B. What is a Conditioned Reflex? 14 > 2C. How to Install a Conditioned Reflex and Teach Any Command in Minutes 15 > 3. The "Hot" and "Cold" Exercise 19 > 4. The "Family Pack Leadership" exercise 20 > 5. Practicing the "Recall" or "Come" Command 22 > 6. Teach Any Command Through Conditioned Reflex 23 > 7. Use Sound to Break Bad Behavior! 24 > 7A. Other Examples of Sound to Correct Bad Behavior 26 > 7B. Unacceptable Expressions of Dominance 27 > 7C. More Subtle Examples of Unacceptable Dominance 28 > 7D. How to Correct Mouthing 29 > 7E. No Dogs on Beds! And Other Problems 33 > 7F. Housebreaking Technique > 8. Roll-Over on the Alpha Rollover 34 > The Alpha Rollover 34 > 9. Separation Anxiety Surrogate Toy Technique 36 > 9A.The Soggy Potato Chip Theory 37 > 10. THE WITS’ END DOG TRAINING METHOD 38 > 10A. State Conditioned Learning > 10B.Training Behaviors Using Territorial Instinct > 10C. Anchoring And Triggering States Of Mind > 10D. Escape, Fence Jumping, Border/Perimiter Training > PART II > 1. OBEDIENCE 46 > 2. ASK YOUR DOG TO WORK 47 > 2A. Back to Work 48 > 2B. Stay 49 > 2C. Sit From the Side 49 > 2D. Heel vs. Return to Heel 50 > 2E. Sit From the Front 51 > 3. THE HEELING PATTERN EXERCISE 52 > 3A. Down From the Side 56 > 3B. Leave Your Dog on a Stay Command 57 > 3C. Returning to the Heel Position 58 > 3D. Down From the Front 59 > 4. PRACTICING LONG STAY COMMANDS 60 > 5. STAND 62 > Introduction > The Wits’ End Dog Training Method is the fastest, gentlest, most effective, > comprehensive behavior modification/obedience and protection training > technique available anywhere… And now, it’s FREE!!! It’s copyright 2001 > information, so be advised: use it wisely, and use it often; use, copy, and > distribute it in it its entirety or none at all. > Our no force, no nonsense, no negative re-enforcement approach is unique, > systematic, and unconventional, which means no dog is too young, too old, > too large, too small, too stubborn, too stupid or too bad, to train. > Specializing in problem dog behavior compelled us to research new methods to > instruct humans as well as canines. > Not everyone needs formal obedience training, but you do need a dog you can > live with, starting today, not after lengthy training, not after your dog > matures, not when it’s too late! This requires a basic understanding of how > your dog thinks and learns. That, and the "Family Pack Leadership" exercise, > coupled with teaching the "recall" or "come" command, are all that one needs > to effectively control the companion dog. > The mistakes your dog makes are neither mistakes nor accidents. They are > instinctive challenges to your leadership and authority. Wits’ End Dog > Training anticipates these impending mistakes inherent to each phase of > training, and relies on them to turn the tables psychologically on your pet > to convince him you are his appropriate leader, and make him want to do > anything you ask. Wits’ End Dog Training is easy, quick, and foolproof, and > works with every time, with every canine, even wolves! > The ability to think, rationalize, and solve problems are learned qualities. > Our enlightened methods challenge the learning centers in your dog’s brain. > These centers develop and continue to grow exponentially. Wits’ End Dog > Training capitalizes on praising split seconds of canine thought, strategy, > and timing, not mindless hours of forced repetition, constant corrections, > and scolding. > This manual will provide all the tools you will need to learn properly to > handle and train your dog. We will address the most difficult behaviors with > effective tools, real answers, and common sense advice. Successful > completion of our program means you will never need another dog-training > lesson again! > We train

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HOWEDY Black Topaz,

> I would appreciate any advice from experienced trainers

I doubt that very much. Most of our trainers are incompetent fools who hurt dogs because they fear dogs makin fools outta them, injuring their fragile egos by EMBARRASSING THEM and COSTIN THEM MONEY. So they stick together and BLAME THE DOG for not being well bred enough to respect their tormentors. They’ll fight to the death to defend their pronged spiked pinch choke and shock collars and GL NECKBREAKER devices and crates to lock their ill trained dogs in so they’re not holding the bag for NOT BEING ABLE to TRAIN the puppy. > on suitable (safe) training collars for small/toy breeds,

I’ve specialized in temperament and behavior and protection problems in mostly giant breed dogs for forty years. I train a toy dog exactly the same as I do a giant aggressive dog. There’s NO DIFFERENCE. A dog is a dog and must not be hurt punished confronted or irresponsibly confined and cruelly ignored because IT is asking for his mommy. Crate training causes separation anxiet fear of thunder and car sicknes… Collar training causes shyness, hyperactivity, aggression and ALL COMPULSIVE BEHAVIOR DISORDERS. > and

And I’m gettin tired of arguing with rabid dog abusing lying Thugs about it. Any trainer who uses a force or pain or corrective method or device is a dog killer, BECAUSE THAT’S THE TRUTH. ALL ANIMAL BEHAVIOR PROBLEMS ARE CAUSED BY MISHANDLING. ALL DOG BEHAVIOR PROBLMES CAN BE EXTINGUISHED AS SOON AS YOU STOP OPPOSING HURTING INTIMIDATING CONFRONTING AND PUNISHING YOUR DOG. > whether leash corrections should be used at all with these dogs.

You mean you question the wisdom of choking your puppy to teach IT to want to love respect and follow you through the gates of heel? GOOD POINT!

The only thing you got to hear is our dog lovers are lying dog abusing Thugs and the proof is they’ll call me and my 100% successful students liars, paid shills for Jerry, sock puppets, forgeries, and animal fuckers. That’s the state of the art here. Ask anybody here about using your FREE copy of my FREE Wits’ End Dog Training Method manual. They’ll tell you its dangerous and ineffective and they’ll give you dozens or reasons for not trusting Jerry and his success. Our dog lovers are liars and dog abusers and I’ve proven it. They have no shame, only such fear that would allow them to continue to face daily embarrassment in front of new readers like you. They’re counting on the fact that if you’re not one of them, you’ll dry up and blow away and our forum will retain ONLY the liars and dog abusers who post here calling me and all other competent trainers liars, to protect their alleged right to choke shock and kill the dogs they cannot hurt and intimidate into respecting their AUTHORITY. We don’t have animal behavior problems we have HUMAN NATURE problems. FEARING, HURTING and KILLING DOGS IS THEIR HUMAN NATURE. Most of our dog lovers are koehler and shock and pronged spiked pinch choke collar fans. Any trainer who calles themself a BALANCED trainer is a goddamned liar trying to defend his INABILITY to handle and train a dog without HURTING them. > harnesses are the only option; buckle collar high on > neck around ears with one finger width underneath; martingale collars > OK; tiny prongs OK.

Bottom line is ANY touch while the dog is THINKING triggers thigmotaxis an inhibits the dog from processing THOUGTS other than the one he’s fixated on at the moment of pressure. >I am aware that

You’re aware of NUTHIN. You’re aware of the LIES and PRECONCIEVED MISCONCEPTIONS our behaviorsts are operating under. The universities that teach behaviorists and endores alpha crating choke shock and punishemnt or force training methods need to stop or have their licenses to TEACH, revoked. > certain dogs have physical conditions that preclude use of > anything but a harness.

You mean certain dogs CAN’T BE HURT? That condition is called being a living, thinking being, an animal, entrusted to our care, management and HUMAN KINDNESS. > My first priority is the animal’s safety.

Well, safety is what provokes our dog lovers to hurt and kill their dogs. All the EXCUSES our dog lovers rely on to justify hurting dogs is FOR THEIR OWN GOOD! Nobody here hurts and kills dogs cause they LIKE to, they do it CAUSE THEY NEED TO. They’re POWERLESS in the face of THEIR OWN HUMAN NATURE to fear and hurt and kill what they DO NOT UNDERSTAND. "If You Talk With The Animals, They Will Talk With You And You Will Know Each Other. If You Do Not Talk To Them, You Will Not Know Them, And What You Do Not Know You Will Fear. What One Fears, One Destroys," Chief Dan George, adapted with permission from his FREE copy of my FREE Wits’ End Dog Training Method manual available for FREE at http://www.doggydoright.com "It is by muteness that a dog becomes so utterly beyond value." Like a confessor Priest? Don’t bet your dog won’t tell on you… Their behaviors reflect our words, actions and training quirks. Jerry HOWE. j;~) >  Thanks!

There’s a free text to speech reader at http://www.readplease.com Do all the exercises and you’ll have a superdog in a couple days… Your pal, Jerry "The PHONY," Howe. j;~) The Wits’ End Dog Training Method Jerry Howe Copyright 2001 Phone: 1-888-WITSEND TABLE OF CONTENTS INTRODUCTION 3 HOW IS WITS’ END DOG TRAINING DIFFERENT? 4 PART I 1. METHODOLOGY 6 1A. Common Misunderstandings 7 1B. Learn Today! 9 2. GETTING STARTED 12 2A. First Things First: Proper Lead Handling 12 2B. What is a Conditioned Reflex? 14 2C. How to Install a Conditioned Reflex and Teach Any Command in Minutes 15 3. The "Hot" and "Cold" Exercise 19 4. The "Family Pack Leadership" exercise 20 5. Practicing the "Recall" or "Come" Command 22 6. Teach Any Command Through Conditioned Reflex 23 7. Use Sound to Break Bad Behavior! 24 7A. Other Examples of Sound to Correct Bad Behavior 26 7B. Unacceptable Expressions of Dominance 27 7C. More Subtle Examples of Unacceptable Dominance 28 7D. How to Correct Mouthing 29 7E. No Dogs on Beds! And Other Problems 33 7F. Housebreaking Technique 8. Roll-Over on the Alpha Rollover 34 The Alpha Rollover 34 9. Separation Anxiety Surrogate Toy Technique 36 9A.The Soggy Potato Chip Theory 37 10. THE WITS’ END DOG TRAINING METHOD 38 10A. State Conditioned Learning 10B.Training Behaviors Using Territorial Instinct 10C. Anchoring And Triggering States Of Mind 10D. Escape, Fence Jumping, Border/Perimiter Training PART II 1. OBEDIENCE 46 2. ASK YOUR DOG TO WORK 47 2A. Back to Work 48 2B. Stay 49 2C. Sit From the Side 49 2D. Heel vs. Return to Heel 50 2E. Sit From the Front 51 3. THE HEELING PATTERN EXERCISE 52 3A. Down From the Side 56 3B. Leave Your Dog on a Stay Command 57 3C. Returning to the Heel Position 58 3D. Down From the Front 59 4. PRACTICING LONG STAY COMMANDS 60 5. STAND 62 Introduction The Wits’ End Dog Training Method is the fastest, gentlest, most effective, comprehensive behavior modification/obedience and protection training technique available anywhere… And now, it’s FREE!!! It’s copyright 2001 information, so be advised: use it wisely, and use it often; use, copy, and distribute it in it its entirety or none at all. Our no force, no nonsense, no negative re-enforcement approach is unique, systematic, and unconventional, which means no dog is too young, too old, too large, too small, too stubborn, too stupid or too bad, to train. Specializing in problem dog behavior compelled us to research new methods to instruct humans as well as canines. Not everyone needs formal obedience training, but you do need a dog you can live with, starting today, not after lengthy training, not after your dog matures, not when it’s too late! This requires a basic understanding of how your dog thinks and learns. That, and the "Family Pack Leadership" exercise, coupled with teaching the "recall" or "come" command, are all that one needs to effectively control the companion dog. The mistakes your dog makes are neither mistakes nor accidents. They are instinctive challenges to your leadership and authority. Wits’ End Dog Training anticipates these impending mistakes inherent to each phase of training, and relies on them to turn the tables psychologically on your pet to convince him you are his appropriate leader, and make him want to do anything you ask. Wits’ End Dog Training is easy, quick, and foolproof, and works with every time, with every canine, even wolves! The ability to think, rationalize, and solve problems are learned qualities. Our enlightened methods challenge the learning centers in your dog’s brain. These centers develop and continue to grow exponentially. Wits’ End Dog Training capitalizes on praising split seconds of canine thought, strategy, and timing, not mindless hours of forced repetition, constant corrections, and scolding. This manual will provide all the tools you will need to learn properly to handle and train your dog. We will address the most difficult behaviors with effective tools, real answers, and common sense advice. Successful completion of our program means you will never need another dog-training lesson again! We train you to use the most effective, positive, intelligent formulas, based on scientific, psychological, and behavioral principles, and accelerated learning techniques. We will teach you how dogs learn, and how to apply our thirty-six years of knowledge and experience to convince your dog to do anything you ask, the first time, every time! How is Wits’ End Dog Training Different? Wits’ End Dog Training methodology is not concerned with "training," but rather teaching the development of the thought process, molding and safeguarding the proper development of personality, stable … read more »

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– Hide quoted text — Show quoted text -> HOWEDY Black Topaz, > I would appreciate any advice from experienced trainers > I doubt that very much. Most of our trainers are incompetent > fools who hurt dogs because they fear dogs makin fools outta > them, injuring their fragile egos by EMBARRASSING THEM > and COSTIN THEM MONEY. So they stick together and BLAME > THE DOG for not being well bred enough to respect their tormentors. > They’ll fight to the death to defend their pronged spiked pinch > choke and shock collars and GL NECKBREAKER devices and > crates to lock their ill trained dogs in so they’re not holding the > bag for NOT BEING ABLE to TRAIN the puppy. > on suitable (safe) training collars for small/toy breeds, > I’ve specialized in temperament and behavior and protection > problems in mostly giant breed dogs for forty years. I train > a toy dog exactly the same as I do a giant aggressive dog. > There’s NO DIFFERENCE. A dog is a dog and must not > be hurt punished confronted or irresponsibly confined and > cruelly ignored because IT is asking for his mommy. > Crate training causes separation anxiet fear of thunder > and car sicknes… Collar training causes shyness, hyperactivity, > aggression and ALL COMPULSIVE BEHAVIOR DISORDERS. > and > And I’m gettin tired of arguing with rabid dog abusing lying Thugs > about it. Any trainer who uses a force or pain or corrective method > or device is a dog killer, BECAUSE THAT’S THE TRUTH. > ALL ANIMAL BEHAVIOR PROBLEMS ARE CAUSED BY MISHANDLING. ALL DOG BEHAVIOR > PROBLMES CAN > BE EXTINGUISHED AS SOON AS YOU STOP OPPOSING > HURTING INTIMIDATING CONFRONTING AND PUNISHING > YOUR DOG. > whether leash corrections should be used at all with these dogs. > You mean you question the wisdom of choking your puppy to teach > IT to want to love respect and follow you through the gates of heel? > GOOD POINT! > The only thing you got to hear is our dog lovers are lying > dog abusing Thugs and the proof is they’ll call me and > my 100% successful students liars, paid shills for Jerry, > sock puppets, forgeries, and animal fuckers. > That’s the state of the art here. Ask anybody here about using > your FREE copy of my FREE Wits’ End Dog Training Method > manual. They’ll tell you its dangerous and ineffective and they’ll > give you dozens or reasons for not trusting Jerry and his success. > Our dog lovers are liars and dog abusers and I’ve proven it. They > have no shame, only such fear that would allow them to continue > to face daily embarrassment in front of new readers like you. > They’re counting on the fact that if you’re not one of them, you’ll > dry up and blow away and our forum will retain ONLY the liars > and dog abusers who post here calling me and all other competent > trainers liars, to protect their alleged right to choke shock and kill > the dogs they cannot hurt and intimidate into respecting their > AUTHORITY. > We don’t have animal behavior problems we have HUMAN NATURE > problems. FEARING, HURTING and KILLING DOGS IS THEIR > HUMAN NATURE. Most of our dog lovers are koehler and shock > and pronged spiked pinch choke collar fans. > Any trainer who calles themself a BALANCED trainer is a goddamned > liar trying to defend his INABILITY to handle and train a dog without > HURTING them. > harnesses are the only option; buckle collar high on > neck around ears with one finger width underneath; martingale collars > OK; tiny prongs OK. > Bottom line is ANY touch while the dog is THINKING triggers > thigmotaxis an inhibits the dog from processing THOUGTS other > than the one he’s fixated on at the moment of pressure. >I am aware that > You’re aware of NUTHIN. You’re aware of the LIES and PRECONCIEVED > MISCONCEPTIONS our behaviorsts > are operating under. The universities that teach behaviorists > and endores alpha crating choke shock and punishemnt or > force training methods need to stop or have their licenses > to TEACH, revoked. > certain dogs have physical conditions that preclude use of > anything but a harness. > You mean certain dogs CAN’T BE HURT? That condition is > called being a living, thinking being, an animal, entrusted to > our care, management and HUMAN KINDNESS. > My first priority is the animal’s safety. > Well, safety is what provokes our dog lovers to hurt and kill their dogs. > All the EXCUSES our dog lovers rely on to justify hurting dogs is > FOR THEIR OWN GOOD! > Nobody here hurts and kills dogs cause they LIKE to, they do it > CAUSE THEY NEED TO. They’re POWERLESS in the face > of THEIR OWN HUMAN NATURE to fear and hurt and kill > what they DO NOT UNDERSTAND. > "If You Talk With The Animals, They Will Talk > With You And You Will Know Each Other. If > You Do Not Talk To Them, You Will Not Know > Them, And What You Do Not Know You Will Fear. > What One Fears, One Destroys," Chief Dan George, > adapted with permission from his FREE copy of my > FREE Wits’ End Dog Training Method manual available > for FREE at http://www.doggydoright.com > "It is by muteness that a dog becomes so utterly beyond value." > Like a confessor Priest? Don’t bet your dog won’t tell on you… > Their behaviors reflect our words, actions and training quirks. > Jerry HOWE. j;~) >  Thanks! > There’s a free text to speech reader at http://www.readplease.com > Do all the exercises and you’ll have a superdog in a couple days… > Your pal, Jerry "The PHONY," Howe. j;~) > The Wits’ End Dog Training Method > Jerry Howe > Copyright 2001 > Phone: 1-888-WITSEND > TABLE OF CONTENTS > INTRODUCTION 3 > HOW IS WITS’ END DOG TRAINING DIFFERENT? 4 > PART I > 1. METHODOLOGY 6 > 1A. Common Misunderstandings 7 > 1B. Learn Today! 9 > 2. GETTING STARTED 12 > 2A. First Things First: Proper Lead Handling 12 > 2B. What is a Conditioned Reflex? 14 > 2C. How to Install a Conditioned Reflex and Teach Any Command in Minutes 15 > 3. The "Hot" and "Cold" Exercise 19 > 4. The "Family Pack Leadership" exercise 20 > 5. Practicing the "Recall" or "Come" Command 22 > 6. Teach Any Command Through Conditioned Reflex 23 > 7. Use Sound to Break Bad Behavior! 24 > 7A. Other Examples of Sound to Correct Bad Behavior 26 > 7B. Unacceptable Expressions of Dominance 27 > 7C. More Subtle Examples of Unacceptable Dominance 28 > 7D. How to Correct Mouthing 29 > 7E. No Dogs on Beds! And Other Problems 33 > 7F. Housebreaking Technique > 8. Roll-Over on the Alpha Rollover 34 > The Alpha Rollover 34 > 9. Separation Anxiety Surrogate Toy Technique 36 > 9A.The Soggy Potato Chip Theory 37 > 10. THE WITS’ END DOG TRAINING METHOD 38 > 10A. State Conditioned Learning > 10B.Training Behaviors Using Territorial Instinct > 10C. Anchoring And Triggering States Of Mind > 10D. Escape, Fence Jumping, Border/Perimiter Training > PART II > 1. OBEDIENCE 46 > 2. ASK YOUR DOG TO WORK 47 > 2A. Back to Work 48 > 2B. Stay 49 > 2C. Sit From the Side 49 > 2D. Heel vs. Return to Heel 50 > 2E. Sit From the Front 51 > 3. THE HEELING PATTERN EXERCISE 52 > 3A. Down From the Side 56 > 3B. Leave Your Dog on a Stay Command 57 > 3C. Returning to the Heel Position 58 > 3D. Down From the Front 59 > 4. PRACTICING LONG STAY COMMANDS 60 > 5. STAND 62 > Introduction > The Wits’ End Dog Training Method is the fastest, gentlest, most effective, > comprehensive behavior modification/obedience and protection training > technique available anywhere… And now, it’s FREE!!! It’s copyright 2001 > information, so be advised: use it wisely, and use it often; use, copy, and > distribute it in it its entirety or none at all. > Our no force, no nonsense, no negative re-enforcement approach is unique, > systematic, and unconventional, which means no dog is too young, too old, > too large, too small, too stubborn, too stupid or too bad, to train. > Specializing in problem dog behavior compelled us to research new methods to > instruct humans as well as canines. > Not everyone needs formal obedience training, but you do need a dog you can > live with, starting today, not after lengthy training, not after your dog > matures, not when it’s too late! This requires a basic understanding of how > your dog thinks and learns. That, and the "Family Pack Leadership" exercise, > coupled with teaching the "recall" or "come" command, are all that one needs > to effectively control the companion dog. > The mistakes your dog makes are neither mistakes nor accidents. They are > instinctive challenges to your leadership and authority. Wits’ End Dog > Training anticipates these impending mistakes inherent to each phase of > training, and relies on them to turn the tables psychologically on your pet > to convince him you are his appropriate leader, and make him want to do > anything you ask. Wits’ End Dog Training is easy, quick, and foolproof, and > works with every time, with every canine, even wolves! > The ability to think, rationalize, and solve problems are learned qualities. > Our enlightened methods challenge the learning centers in your dog’s brain. > These centers develop and continue to grow exponentially. Wits’ End Dog > Training capitalizes on praising split seconds of canine thought, strategy, > and timing, not mindless hours of forced repetition, constant corrections, > and scolding. > This manual will provide all the tools you will need to learn properly to > handle and train your dog. We will address the most difficult behaviors with > effective tools, real answers, and common sense advice. Successful > completion of our program means you will never need another dog-training > lesson again! > We train

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HOWEDY Black Topaz,

> I would appreciate any advice from experienced trainers

I doubt that very much. Most of our trainers are incompetent fools who hurt dogs because they fear dogs makin fools outta them, injuring their fragile egos by EMBARRASSING THEM and COSTIN THEM MONEY. So they stick together and BLAME THE DOG for not being well bred enough to respect their tormentors. They’ll fight to the death to defend their pronged spiked pinch choke and shock collars and GL NECKBREAKER devices and crates to lock their ill trained dogs in so they’re not holding the bag for NOT BEING ABLE to TRAIN the puppy. > on suitable (safe) training collars for small/toy breeds,

I’ve specialized in temperament and behavior and protection problems in mostly giant breed dogs for forty years. I train a toy dog exactly the same as I do a giant aggressive dog. There’s NO DIFFERENCE. A dog is a dog and must not be hurt punished confronted or irresponsibly confined and cruelly ignored because IT is asking for his mommy. Crate training causes separation anxiet fear of thunder and car sicknes… Collar training causes shyness, hyperactivity, aggression and ALL COMPULSIVE BEHAVIOR DISORDERS. > and

And I’m gettin tired of arguing with rabid dog abusing lying Thugs about it. Any trainer who uses a force or pain or corrective method or device is a dog killer, BECAUSE THAT’S THE TRUTH. ALL ANIMAL BEHAVIOR PROBLEMS ARE CAUSED BY MISHANDLING. ALL DOG BEHAVIOR PROBLMES CAN BE EXTINGUISHED AS SOON AS YOU STOP OPPOSING HURTING INTIMIDATING CONFRONTING AND PUNISHING YOUR DOG. > whether leash corrections should be used at all with these dogs.

You mean you question the wisdom of choking your puppy to teach IT to want to love respect and follow you through the gates of heel? GOOD POINT!

The only thing you got to hear is our dog lovers are lying dog abusing Thugs and the proof is they’ll call me and my 100% successful students liars, paid shills for Jerry, sock puppets, forgeries, and animal fuckers. That’s the state of the art here. Ask anybody here about using your FREE copy of my FREE Wits’ End Dog Training Method manual. They’ll tell you its dangerous and ineffective and they’ll give you dozens or reasons for not trusting Jerry and his success. Our dog lovers are liars and dog abusers and I’ve proven it. They have no shame, only such fear that would allow them to continue to face daily embarrassment in front of new readers like you. They’re counting on the fact that if you’re not one of them, you’ll dry up and blow away and our forum will retain ONLY the liars and dog abusers who post here calling me and all other competent trainers liars, to protect their alleged right to choke shock and kill the dogs they cannot hurt and intimidate into respecting their AUTHORITY. We don’t have animal behavior problems we have HUMAN NATURE problems. FEARING, HURTING and KILLING DOGS IS THEIR HUMAN NATURE. Most of our dog lovers are koehler and shock and pronged spiked pinch choke collar fans. Any trainer who calles themself a BALANCED trainer is a goddamned liar trying to defend his INABILITY to handle and train a dog without HURTING them. > harnesses are the only option; buckle collar high on > neck around ears with one finger width underneath; martingale collars > OK; tiny prongs OK.

Bottom line is ANY touch while the dog is THINKING triggers thigmotaxis an inhibits the dog from processing THOUGTS other than the one he’s fixated on at the moment of pressure. >I am aware that

You’re aware of NUTHIN. You’re aware of the LIES and PRECONCIEVED MISCONCEPTIONS our behaviorsts are operating under. The universities that teach behaviorists and endores alpha crating choke shock and punishemnt or force training methods need to stop or have their licenses to TEACH, revoked. > certain dogs have physical conditions that preclude use of > anything but a harness.

You mean certain dogs CAN’T BE HURT? That condition is called being a living, thinking being, an animal, entrusted to our care, management and HUMAN KINDNESS. > My first priority is the animal’s safety.

Well, safety is what provokes our dog lovers to hurt and kill their dogs. All the EXCUSES our dog lovers rely on to justify hurting dogs is FOR THEIR OWN GOOD! Nobody here hurts and kills dogs cause they LIKE to, they do it CAUSE THEY NEED TO. They’re POWERLESS in the face of THEIR OWN HUMAN NATURE to fear and hurt and kill what they DO NOT UNDERSTAND. "If You Talk With The Animals, They Will Talk With You And You Will Know Each Other. If You Do Not Talk To Them, You Will Not Know Them, And What You Do Not Know You Will Fear. What One Fears, One Destroys," Chief Dan George, adapted with permission from his FREE copy of my FREE Wits’ End Dog Training Method manual available for FREE at http://www.doggydoright.com "It is by muteness that a dog becomes so utterly beyond value." Like a confessor Priest? Don’t bet your dog won’t tell on you… Their behaviors reflect our words, actions and training quirks. Jerry HOWE. j;~) >  Thanks!

There’s a free text to speech reader at http://www.readplease.com Do all the exercises and you’ll have a superdog in a couple days… Your pal, Jerry "The PHONY," Howe. j;~) The Wits’ End Dog Training Method Jerry Howe Copyright 2001 Phone: 1-888-WITSEND TABLE OF CONTENTS INTRODUCTION 3 HOW IS WITS’ END DOG TRAINING DIFFERENT? 4 PART I 1. METHODOLOGY 6 1A. Common Misunderstandings 7 1B. Learn Today! 9 2. GETTING STARTED 12 2A. First Things First: Proper Lead Handling 12 2B. What is a Conditioned Reflex? 14 2C. How to Install a Conditioned Reflex and Teach Any Command in Minutes 15 3. The "Hot" and "Cold" Exercise 19 4. The "Family Pack Leadership" exercise 20 5. Practicing the "Recall" or "Come" Command 22 6. Teach Any Command Through Conditioned Reflex 23 7. Use Sound to Break Bad Behavior! 24 7A. Other Examples of Sound to Correct Bad Behavior 26 7B. Unacceptable Expressions of Dominance 27 7C. More Subtle Examples of Unacceptable Dominance 28 7D. How to Correct Mouthing 29 7E. No Dogs on Beds! And Other Problems 33 7F. Housebreaking Technique 8. Roll-Over on the Alpha Rollover 34 The Alpha Rollover 34 9. Separation Anxiety Surrogate Toy Technique 36 9A.The Soggy Potato Chip Theory 37 10. THE WITS’ END DOG TRAINING METHOD 38 10A. State Conditioned Learning 10B.Training Behaviors Using Territorial Instinct 10C. Anchoring And Triggering States Of Mind 10D. Escape, Fence Jumping, Border/Perimiter Training PART II 1. OBEDIENCE 46 2. ASK YOUR DOG TO WORK 47 2A. Back to Work 48 2B. Stay 49 2C. Sit From the Side 49 2D. Heel vs. Return to Heel 50 2E. Sit From the Front 51 3. THE HEELING PATTERN EXERCISE 52 3A. Down From the Side 56 3B. Leave Your Dog on a Stay Command 57 3C. Returning to the Heel Position 58 3D. Down From the Front 59 4. PRACTICING LONG STAY COMMANDS 60 5. STAND 62 Introduction The Wits’ End Dog Training Method is the fastest, gentlest, most effective, comprehensive behavior modification/obedience and protection training technique available anywhere… And now, it’s FREE!!! It’s copyright 2001 information, so be advised: use it wisely, and use it often; use, copy, and distribute it in it its entirety or none at all. Our no force, no nonsense, no negative re-enforcement approach is unique, systematic, and unconventional, which means no dog is too young, too old, too large, too small, too stubborn, too stupid or too bad, to train. Specializing in problem dog behavior compelled us to research new methods to instruct humans as well as canines. Not everyone needs formal obedience training, but you do need a dog you can live with, starting today, not after lengthy training, not after your dog matures, not when it’s too late! This requires a basic understanding of how your dog thinks and learns. That, and the "Family Pack Leadership" exercise, coupled with teaching the "recall" or "come" command, are all that one needs to effectively control the companion dog. The mistakes your dog makes are neither mistakes nor accidents. They are instinctive challenges to your leadership and authority. Wits’ End Dog Training anticipates these impending mistakes inherent to each phase of training, and relies on them to turn the tables psychologically on your pet to convince him you are his appropriate leader, and make him want to do anything you ask. Wits’ End Dog Training is easy, quick, and foolproof, and works with every time, with every canine, even wolves! The ability to think, rationalize, and solve problems are learned qualities. Our enlightened methods challenge the learning centers in your dog’s brain. These centers develop and continue to grow exponentially. Wits’ End Dog Training capitalizes on praising split seconds of canine thought, strategy, and timing, not mindless hours of forced repetition, constant corrections, and scolding. This manual will provide all the tools you will need to learn properly to handle and train your dog. We will address the most difficult behaviors with effective tools, real answers, and common sense advice. Successful completion of our program means you will never need another dog-training lesson again! We train you to use the most effective, positive, intelligent formulas, based on scientific, psychological, and behavioral principles, and accelerated learning techniques. We will teach you how dogs learn, and how to apply our thirty-six years of knowledge and experience to convince your dog to do anything you ask, the first time, every time! How is Wits’ End Dog Training Different? Wits’ End Dog Training methodology is not concerned with "training," but rather teaching the development of the thought process, molding and safeguarding the proper development of personality, stable … read more »

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– Hide quoted text — Show quoted text -> HOWEDY Black Topaz, > I would appreciate any advice from experienced trainers > I doubt that very much. Most of our trainers are incompetent > fools who hurt dogs because they fear dogs makin fools outta > them, injuring their fragile egos by EMBARRASSING THEM > and COSTIN THEM MONEY. So they stick together and BLAME > THE DOG for not being well bred enough to respect their tormentors. > They’ll fight to the death to defend their pronged spiked pinch > choke and shock collars and GL NECKBREAKER devices and > crates to lock their ill trained dogs in so they’re not holding the > bag for NOT BEING ABLE to TRAIN the puppy. > on suitable (safe) training collars for small/toy breeds, > I’ve specialized in temperament and behavior and protection > problems in mostly giant breed dogs for forty years. I train > a toy dog exactly the same as I do a giant aggressive dog. > There’s NO DIFFERENCE. A dog is a dog and must not > be hurt punished confronted or irresponsibly confined and > cruelly ignored because IT is asking for his mommy. > Crate training causes separation anxiet fear of thunder > and car sicknes… Collar training causes shyness, hyperactivity, > aggression and ALL COMPULSIVE BEHAVIOR DISORDERS. > and > And I’m gettin tired of arguing with rabid dog abusing lying Thugs > about it. Any trainer who uses a force or pain or corrective method > or device is a dog killer, BECAUSE THAT’S THE TRUTH. > ALL ANIMAL BEHAVIOR PROBLEMS ARE CAUSED BY MISHANDLING. ALL DOG BEHAVIOR > PROBLMES CAN > BE EXTINGUISHED AS SOON AS YOU STOP OPPOSING > HURTING INTIMIDATING CONFRONTING AND PUNISHING > YOUR DOG. > whether leash corrections should be used at all with these dogs. > You mean you question the wisdom of choking your puppy to teach > IT to want to love respect and follow you through the gates of heel? > GOOD POINT! > The only thing you got to hear is our dog lovers are lying > dog abusing Thugs and the proof is they’ll call me and > my 100% successful students liars, paid shills for Jerry, > sock puppets, forgeries, and animal fuckers. > That’s the state of the art here. Ask anybody here about using > your FREE copy of my FREE Wits’ End Dog Training Method > manual. They’ll tell you its dangerous and ineffective and they’ll > give you dozens or reasons for not trusting Jerry and his success. > Our dog lovers are liars and dog abusers and I’ve proven it. They > have no shame, only such fear that would allow them to continue > to face daily embarrassment in front of new readers like you. > They’re counting on the fact that if you’re not one of them, you’ll > dry up and blow away and our forum will retain ONLY the liars > and dog abusers who post here calling me and all other competent > trainers liars, to protect their alleged right to choke shock and kill > the dogs they cannot hurt and intimidate into respecting their > AUTHORITY. > We don’t have animal behavior problems we have HUMAN NATURE > problems. FEARING, HURTING and KILLING DOGS IS THEIR > HUMAN NATURE. Most of our dog lovers are koehler and shock > and pronged spiked pinch choke collar fans. > Any trainer who calles themself a BALANCED trainer is a goddamned > liar trying to defend his INABILITY to handle and train a dog without > HURTING them. > harnesses are the only option; buckle collar high on > neck around ears with one finger width underneath; martingale collars > OK; tiny prongs OK. > Bottom line is ANY touch while the dog is THINKING triggers > thigmotaxis an inhibits the dog from processing THOUGTS other > than the one he’s fixated on at the moment of pressure. >I am aware that > You’re aware of NUTHIN. You’re aware of the LIES and PRECONCIEVED > MISCONCEPTIONS our behaviorsts > are operating under. The universities that teach behaviorists > and endores alpha crating choke shock and punishemnt or > force training methods need to stop or have their licenses > to TEACH, revoked. > certain dogs have physical conditions that preclude use of > anything but a harness. > You mean certain dogs CAN’T BE HURT? That condition is > called being a living, thinking being, an animal, entrusted to > our care, management and HUMAN KINDNESS. > My first priority is the animal’s safety. > Well, safety is what provokes our dog lovers to hurt and kill their dogs. > All the EXCUSES our dog lovers rely on to justify hurting dogs is > FOR THEIR OWN GOOD! > Nobody here hurts and kills dogs cause they LIKE to, they do it > CAUSE THEY NEED TO. They’re POWERLESS in the face > of THEIR OWN HUMAN NATURE to fear and hurt and kill > what they DO NOT UNDERSTAND. > "If You Talk With The Animals, They Will Talk > With You And You Will Know Each Other. If > You Do Not Talk To Them, You Will Not Know > Them, And What You Do Not Know You Will Fear. > What One Fears, One Destroys," Chief Dan George, > adapted with permission from his FREE copy of my > FREE Wits’ End Dog Training Method manual available > for FREE at http://www.doggydoright.com > "It is by muteness that a dog becomes so utterly beyond value." > Like a confessor Priest? Don’t bet your dog won’t tell on you… > Their behaviors reflect our words, actions and training quirks. > Jerry HOWE. j;~) >  Thanks! > There’s a free text to speech reader at http://www.readplease.com > Do all the exercises and you’ll have a superdog in a couple days… > Your pal, Jerry "The PHONY," Howe. j;~) > The Wits’ End Dog Training Method > Jerry Howe > Copyright 2001 > Phone: 1-888-WITSEND > TABLE OF CONTENTS > INTRODUCTION 3 > HOW IS WITS’ END DOG TRAINING DIFFERENT? 4 > PART I > 1. METHODOLOGY 6 > 1A. Common Misunderstandings 7 > 1B. Learn Today! 9 > 2. GETTING STARTED 12 > 2A. First Things First: Proper Lead Handling 12 > 2B. What is a Conditioned Reflex? 14 > 2C. How to Install a Conditioned Reflex and Teach Any Command in Minutes 15 > 3. The "Hot" and "Cold" Exercise 19 > 4. The "Family Pack Leadership" exercise 20 > 5. Practicing the "Recall" or "Come" Command 22 > 6. Teach Any Command Through Conditioned Reflex 23 > 7. Use Sound to Break Bad Behavior! 24 > 7A. Other Examples of Sound to Correct Bad Behavior 26 > 7B. Unacceptable Expressions of Dominance 27 > 7C. More Subtle Examples of Unacceptable Dominance 28 > 7D. How to Correct Mouthing 29 > 7E. No Dogs on Beds! And Other Problems 33 > 7F. Housebreaking Technique > 8. Roll-Over on the Alpha Rollover 34 > The Alpha Rollover 34 > 9. Separation Anxiety Surrogate Toy Technique 36 > 9A.The Soggy Potato Chip Theory 37 > 10. THE WITS’ END DOG TRAINING METHOD 38 > 10A. State Conditioned Learning > 10B.Training Behaviors Using Territorial Instinct > 10C. Anchoring And Triggering States Of Mind > 10D. Escape, Fence Jumping, Border/Perimiter Training > PART II > 1. OBEDIENCE 46 > 2. ASK YOUR DOG TO WORK 47 > 2A. Back to Work 48 > 2B. Stay 49 > 2C. Sit From the Side 49 > 2D. Heel vs. Return to Heel 50 > 2E. Sit From the Front 51 > 3. THE HEELING PATTERN EXERCISE 52 > 3A. Down From the Side 56 > 3B. Leave Your Dog on a Stay Command 57 > 3C. Returning to the Heel Position 58 > 3D. Down From the Front 59 > 4. PRACTICING LONG STAY COMMANDS 60 > 5. STAND 62 > Introduction > The Wits’ End Dog Training Method is the fastest, gentlest, most effective, > comprehensive behavior modification/obedience and protection training > technique available anywhere… And now, it’s FREE!!! It’s copyright 2001 > information, so be advised: use it wisely, and use it often; use, copy, and > distribute it in it its entirety or none at all. > Our no force, no nonsense, no negative re-enforcement approach is unique, > systematic, and unconventional, which means no dog is too young, too old, > too large, too small, too stubborn, too stupid or too bad, to train. > Specializing in problem dog behavior compelled us to research new methods to > instruct humans as well as canines. > Not everyone needs formal obedience training, but you do need a dog you can > live with, starting today, not after lengthy training, not after your dog > matures, not when it’s too late! This requires a basic understanding of how > your dog thinks and learns. That, and the "Family Pack Leadership" exercise, > coupled with teaching the "recall" or "come" command, are all that one needs > to effectively control the companion dog. > The mistakes your dog makes are neither mistakes nor accidents. They are > instinctive challenges to your leadership and authority. Wits’ End Dog > Training anticipates these impending mistakes inherent to each phase of > training, and relies on them to turn the tables psychologically on your pet > to convince him you are his appropriate leader, and make him want to do > anything you ask. Wits’ End Dog Training is easy, quick, and foolproof, and > works with every time, with every canine, even wolves! > The ability to think, rationalize, and solve problems are learned qualities. > Our enlightened methods challenge the learning centers in your dog’s brain. > These centers develop and continue to grow exponentially. Wits’ End Dog > Training capitalizes on praising split seconds of canine thought, strategy, > and timing, not mindless hours of forced repetition, constant corrections, > and scolding. > This manual will provide all the tools you will need to learn properly to > handle and train your dog. We will address the most difficult behaviors with > effective tools, real answers, and common sense advice. Successful > completion of our program means you will never need another dog-training > lesson again! > We train

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HOWEDY Black Topaz,

> I would appreciate any advice from experienced trainers

I doubt that very much. Most of our trainers are incompetent fools who hurt dogs because they fear dogs makin fools outta them, injuring their fragile egos by EMBARRASSING THEM and COSTIN THEM MONEY. So they stick together and BLAME THE DOG for not being well bred enough to respect their tormentors. They’ll fight to the death to defend their pronged spiked pinch choke and shock collars and GL NECKBREAKER devices and crates to lock their ill trained dogs in so they’re not holding the bag for NOT BEING ABLE to TRAIN the puppy. > on suitable (safe) training collars for small/toy breeds,

I’ve specialized in temperament and behavior and protection problems in mostly giant breed dogs for forty years. I train a toy dog exactly the same as I do a giant aggressive dog. There’s NO DIFFERENCE. A dog is a dog and must not be hurt punished confronted or irresponsibly confined and cruelly ignored because IT is asking for his mommy. Crate training causes separation anxiet fear of thunder and car sicknes… Collar training causes shyness, hyperactivity, aggression and ALL COMPULSIVE BEHAVIOR DISORDERS. > and

And I’m gettin tired of arguing with rabid dog abusing lying Thugs about it. Any trainer who uses a force or pain or corrective method or device is a dog killer, BECAUSE THAT’S THE TRUTH. ALL ANIMAL BEHAVIOR PROBLEMS ARE CAUSED BY MISHANDLING. ALL DOG BEHAVIOR PROBLMES CAN BE EXTINGUISHED AS SOON AS YOU STOP OPPOSING HURTING INTIMIDATING CONFRONTING AND PUNISHING YOUR DOG. > whether leash corrections should be used at all with these dogs.

You mean you question the wisdom of choking your puppy to teach IT to want to love respect and follow you through the gates of heel? GOOD POINT!

The only thing you got to hear is our dog lovers are lying dog abusing Thugs and the proof is they’ll call me and my 100% successful students liars, paid shills for Jerry, sock puppets, forgeries, and animal fuckers. That’s the state of the art here. Ask anybody here about using your FREE copy of my FREE Wits’ End Dog Training Method manual. They’ll tell you its dangerous and ineffective and they’ll give you dozens or reasons for not trusting Jerry and his success. Our dog lovers are liars and dog abusers and I’ve proven it. They have no shame, only such fear that would allow them to continue to face daily embarrassment in front of new readers like you. They’re counting on the fact that if you’re not one of them, you’ll dry up and blow away and our forum will retain ONLY the liars and dog abusers who post here calling me and all other competent trainers liars, to protect their alleged right to choke shock and kill the dogs they cannot hurt and intimidate into respecting their AUTHORITY. We don’t have animal behavior problems we have HUMAN NATURE problems. FEARING, HURTING and KILLING DOGS IS THEIR HUMAN NATURE. Most of our dog lovers are koehler and shock and pronged spiked pinch choke collar fans. Any trainer who calles themself a BALANCED trainer is a goddamned liar trying to defend his INABILITY to handle and train a dog without HURTING them. > harnesses are the only option; buckle collar high on > neck around ears with one finger width underneath; martingale collars > OK; tiny prongs OK.

Bottom line is ANY touch while the dog is THINKING triggers thigmotaxis an inhibits the dog from processing THOUGTS other than the one he’s fixated on at the moment of pressure. >I am aware that

You’re aware of NUTHIN. You’re aware of the LIES and PRECONCIEVED MISCONCEPTIONS our behaviorsts are operating under. The universities that teach behaviorists and endores alpha crating choke shock and punishemnt or force training methods need to stop or have their licenses to TEACH, revoked. > certain dogs have physical conditions that preclude use of > anything but a harness.

You mean certain dogs CAN’T BE HURT? That condition is called being a living, thinking being, an animal, entrusted to our care, management and HUMAN KINDNESS. > My first priority is the animal’s safety.

Well, safety is what provokes our dog lovers to hurt and kill their dogs. All the EXCUSES our dog lovers rely on to justify hurting dogs is FOR THEIR OWN GOOD! Nobody here hurts and kills dogs cause they LIKE to, they do it CAUSE THEY NEED TO. They’re POWERLESS in the face of THEIR OWN HUMAN NATURE to fear and hurt and kill what they DO NOT UNDERSTAND. "If You Talk With The Animals, They Will Talk With You And You Will Know Each Other. If You Do Not Talk To Them, You Will Not Know Them, And What You Do Not Know You Will Fear. What One Fears, One Destroys," Chief Dan George, adapted with permission from his FREE copy of my FREE Wits’ End Dog Training Method manual available for FREE at http://www.doggydoright.com "It is by muteness that a dog becomes so utterly beyond value." Like a confessor Priest? Don’t bet your dog won’t tell on you… Their behaviors reflect our words, actions and training quirks. Jerry HOWE. j;~) >  Thanks!

There’s a free text to speech reader at http://www.readplease.com Do all the exercises and you’ll have a superdog in a couple days… Your pal, Jerry "The PHONY," Howe. j;~) The Wits’ End Dog Training Method Jerry Howe Copyright 2001 Phone: 1-888-WITSEND TABLE OF CONTENTS INTRODUCTION 3 HOW IS WITS’ END DOG TRAINING DIFFERENT? 4 PART I 1. METHODOLOGY 6 1A. Common Misunderstandings 7 1B. Learn Today! 9 2. GETTING STARTED 12 2A. First Things First: Proper Lead Handling 12 2B. What is a Conditioned Reflex? 14 2C. How to Install a Conditioned Reflex and Teach Any Command in Minutes 15 3. The "Hot" and "Cold" Exercise 19 4. The "Family Pack Leadership" exercise 20 5. Practicing the "Recall" or "Come" Command 22 6. Teach Any Command Through Conditioned Reflex 23 7. Use Sound to Break Bad Behavior! 24 7A. Other Examples of Sound to Correct Bad Behavior 26 7B. Unacceptable Expressions of Dominance 27 7C. More Subtle Examples of Unacceptable Dominance 28 7D. How to Correct Mouthing 29 7E. No Dogs on Beds! And Other Problems 33 7F. Housebreaking Technique 8. Roll-Over on the Alpha Rollover 34 The Alpha Rollover 34 9. Separation Anxiety Surrogate Toy Technique 36 9A.The Soggy Potato Chip Theory 37 10. THE WITS’ END DOG TRAINING METHOD 38 10A. State Conditioned Learning 10B.Training Behaviors Using Territorial Instinct 10C. Anchoring And Triggering States Of Mind 10D. Escape, Fence Jumping, Border/Perimiter Training PART II 1. OBEDIENCE 46 2. ASK YOUR DOG TO WORK 47 2A. Back to Work 48 2B. Stay 49 2C. Sit From the Side 49 2D. Heel vs. Return to Heel 50 2E. Sit From the Front 51 3. THE HEELING PATTERN EXERCISE 52 3A. Down From the Side 56 3B. Leave Your Dog on a Stay Command 57 3C. Returning to the Heel Position 58 3D. Down From the Front 59 4. PRACTICING LONG STAY COMMANDS 60 5. STAND 62 Introduction The Wits’ End Dog Training Method is the fastest, gentlest, most effective, comprehensive behavior modification/obedience and protection training technique available anywhere… And now, it’s FREE!!! It’s copyright 2001 information, so be advised: use it wisely, and use it often; use, copy, and distribute it in it its entirety or none at all. Our no force, no nonsense, no negative re-enforcement approach is unique, systematic, and unconventional, which means no dog is too young, too old, too large, too small, too stubborn, too stupid or too bad, to train. Specializing in problem dog behavior compelled us to research new methods to instruct humans as well as canines. Not everyone needs formal obedience training, but you do need a dog you can live with, starting today, not after lengthy training, not after your dog matures, not when it’s too late! This requires a basic understanding of how your dog thinks and learns. That, and the "Family Pack Leadership" exercise, coupled with teaching the "recall" or "come" command, are all that one needs to effectively control the companion dog. The mistakes your dog makes are neither mistakes nor accidents. They are instinctive challenges to your leadership and authority. Wits’ End Dog Training anticipates these impending mistakes inherent to each phase of training, and relies on them to turn the tables psychologically on your pet to convince him you are his appropriate leader, and make him want to do anything you ask. Wits’ End Dog Training is easy, quick, and foolproof, and works with every time, with every canine, even wolves! The ability to think, rationalize, and solve problems are learned qualities. Our enlightened methods challenge the learning centers in your dog’s brain. These centers develop and continue to grow exponentially. Wits’ End Dog Training capitalizes on praising split seconds of canine thought, strategy, and timing, not mindless hours of forced repetition, constant corrections, and scolding. This manual will provide all the tools you will need to learn properly to handle and train your dog. We will address the most difficult behaviors with effective tools, real answers, and common sense advice. Successful completion of our program means you will never need another dog-training lesson again! We train you to use the most effective, positive, intelligent formulas, based on scientific, psychological, and behavioral principles, and accelerated learning techniques. We will teach you how dogs learn, and how to apply our thirty-six years of knowledge and experience to convince your dog to do anything you ask, the first time, every time! How is Wits’ End Dog Training Different? Wits’ End Dog Training methodology is not concerned with "training," but rather teaching the development of the thought process, molding and safeguarding the proper development of personality, stable … read more »

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<Snip a whole lot of fanatic vitriole> Good Grief! And I thought they had some major nutcases at rec.equestrian! At first I thought the "HOWE" person had created a stepford wife, but now I see s/he’s one and the same. PLONK!     Susan

Response:

HOWEDY tracy,

> Bones wrote > Nope, can’t build the fence higher because it is chain > link and 500 feet ofit.  If you know the size of a Dane, > you will realize that they will trample almost any shrub. > I need to train my dog to not jump over or even on the > fence.  I don’t want to use an invisible fence because > Danes are really sensitive if you don’t know that already. > They may look tough but they take things to heart.  My > dogs are very spoiled too, (also have a very small shih > tzu) and we don’t use physical discipline on them and > I hate to say it but they get away with a lot because we > are not consistent with our training. > Which is obviously part of the problem.  But I don’t think > I know what to train him with anyway.

Neither do our dog lovers. Our experts haven’t got a clue except for to HURT the dog because THAT is their HUMAN NATURE. That’s HOWE COME they call Jerry’s 100% successfuls students liars, paid shills for Jerry, and animal fuckers. > Bones… > I don’t know

You don’t know squat, tracy. Your own dogs have OCD’s and one of them is being treated at the university behaviorist, and that’ll never work cause they’re treating the DOG’S behavior, not YOUR behavior towards the dog, the CAUSE of ALL your dog behavior problems. > quite what you expect from this group.

That’s REAL EZ tracy. The OP asked HOWE to teach his dog not to jump his fence. > You have a fence that your dog will jump over.

Like mine? Or like Misty’s? Misty don’t use no fence at all, and her dog won’t leave her yard, cause she LEARNED HOWE after you and your pals here LIED to her and told Misty not to believe Jerry and to killfile my information. That got her dog Peach DEAD. Now Misty KNOWS not to HURT her dog to train IT. > If you can’t raise it,

If the OP can’t get it up I suggest he’s got no choice but to train his dog. Besides, the fence as a barrier can make the dog aggressive, whereas the TRAINED dog will respect ITS boundaries and not be overstimulated by the fence so will be less aggressive and MOORE alert. Isn’t THAT a nice benefit for our protection dog lovers? > you CAN replace it with something

Called TRAINING. > higher that he can’t see through.

Or something IMPENETRABLE, like TRAINING, for example. > But that’s not cheap so you WON’T.

Training’s FREE and only takes a few minutes. > You CAN install an invisible fence,

That could make his dog aggressive and get IT DEAD, like "my golden retriever bit the ups driver," and "interested in hearing." > but you WON’T because you say your dog is sensitive.

Unlike yourself. You’re a liar and a dog abuser, tracy. > Maybe you don’t know about invisible fences,

Maybe you don’t know squat about training or you’d offer a METHOD to train the dog not to jump the fence. > but you don’t just put them up, put the collar on and let >  the dog go –

Right. You got to HURT the dog and let IT know YOU are the Thug HURTING IT. > you have to invest a little time in training your dog so he will learn

That is is YOU who is hurtin IT. > to avoid getting a correction, but…

You mean to avoid getting HURT, kinda like the DMZ? > You WON’T correct your dog.

You mean he’s not eager to HURT his dog, but you and blankman and tara.green2 and the rest of our lying dog abusing Thugs will TRY to convince the OP that shocking his dog is acceptable to SAVE IT from harm and to keep you from EMBARRASSMENT. That IS the EPITOME of The SYNDROME. > It is impossible to positively train a dog *not* to do something.

It’s near impossible for our dog lovers to train any dog to do any thing, cause they’re lying dog abusing Thugs, not expert dog trainers. Expert dog trainers don’t NEED to HURT. > You can train them to do something that is > contrary to the behavior you want to stop,

Oh? You gonna teach the dog to stand there and jerk off as our professor SCRUFF SHAKE dermer’s dog does when he gets stressed from being PUNISHED? > or you can condition them to avoid corrections

You mean condition the dog to avoid PAIN? You’re quite the genius! I didn’t know dogs don’t avoid PAIN at all costs…, tracy. > (consequences)

My science book tells me if you HURT a dog it will fear and hate and attack or withdraw from you, and perhaps develop OCD behaviors like excessive masturbation on your couch pillows as professor SCRUFF SHAKE’S little dog Maxi Pads does… or TURNS on them like your pal liea altshuller’s dog Cubbe or leah’s dog Madigan does to them. It’s all in the archives, People. > if they *do* the behavior you don’t want.

You mean if the dog does something that offends your human nature, and scares you or makes you feel out of control and scares and hurts your FEELINGS cause the dog EMBARRASSES you and TAUNTS your consience with fear and GUILT, the cause of your defective ego, inferiority complexes, and weak mind. That’s YOUR HUMAN NATURE compelling your to HURT and KILL and even to LIE about Jerry and call his 100% successful students liars, paid shills for Jerry and animal fuckers. > So, you CAN condition your dog not to jump,

By HURTING IT? > but you WON’T correct him.

But our dog lovers will TRY to CONvince the OP to HURT his dog as our pals enjoy. > So, since you WON’T correct him

You mean won’t HURT him… > and you WON’T raise or replace your fence,

There’s no need for the fence at all, if you ask my 100% successful students like Misty, for example. > your only options are to chain him up

Chaining the dog will make IT MOORE aggressive and maybe make IT MOORE aggressive on lead.  > or keep him in the house. To AVOID a behavior problem you can’t train? > Period.

No. You and your pals are Lying Dog Abusing Thugs, tracy. > If I were in your shoes,

You’d be HURTIN the dog and then wonderin HOWE COME the behaviorists at the university can’t unravel IT’S behavior problems. > I’d replace the fence.

Sure! That’s on account of you’re a idiot, a liar, and a dog abuser. > Chain link is not an ideal dog fence –

ANY fence may cause a barrier frustration syndrome in SOME dogs. > the dog can see through it which can excite his > prey/play drive and give him an enormous motivation to jump it.

And that’s different than just HEARING and SMELLING the critter on the other side… > Neighbor kids (and stupid adults for that matter) can tease > your dog through the fence and make him aggressive.

Right, but hurting the dog yourself is gonna make IT friendly like Sampson was after steve walker got through HURTIN his DEAD dog. > They can feed him things that might make him sick.

Another excellent point. Only takes a few minutes to poison proof a dog. > Also, since your dog can see out of it, he can become > territorial over not just the area he occupies, but also > the area he sees,

That doesn’t fit, dog abuser. The dog is likely to be MOORE aggressive if he can hear but not see. > which can contribute to aggression as the result of guarding behavior.

Yeah. That’s HOWE COME we don’t confine dogs to avoid behavior problems, we address the issues and then there’s no need to confine or worry or HURT the dog. > I wouldn’t want to be your insurance agent.

You wouldn’t be able to get licensed, they don’t tolerate  liars in the insurance business. > You have an accident waiting to happen.

That’s on account of nobody’s got no advice for our OP. > The only thing safe to do

Is HURT the dog… > (within your range of options) is > to either chain him or keep him in the house at all times.

That’s a flat out lie cause my students train their dogs in a few minutes not to jump fence or eat poison or molest other critters. > You chose the dog and you knew that a dane would get big.

Size doesn’t count. Take me for example. I’m only one little guy, and I’m stickin it to the entire industry 24/7 till I bring it to the world wide press and drop the hammer for the final death blow to our dog lovers and their vicious habits. > You either installed the fence or bought it with the house.

This isn’t a fence issue, this is a simple training problem like all the other training problems our dog lovers can’t handle without HURTING the goddamned dog and callin Jerry and his 100% successful students liars ONLY in order to DEFEND your alleged right to HURT and KILL your best dogs because you HURT them because of your defective fragile EGO, inferiority complexes and weak minds, and of course, for the MONEY. Like ed w of petloss dot CON, for example. He recommends koehler cause 10% of koehler trained dogs end up DEAD, like Robert Crim’s Wonder Dog Fritz. My methods would have turned aroun Fritz and woulda made IT work just like Robert’s Wits’ End Trained Dog. That’s HOWE COME our dog lovers TURNED on Robert, when he LEARNED he caused Fritz to go INSANE because of his traditional training methods. > One of the two came first and either your dog is too big > for the fence or the fence is too small for the dog.

So, you gonna HURT the dog? HOWE COME you don’t HURT the fence instead? HOWE COME you don’t HURT the neighbor’s dog like your pal lying lois did to her neighbors’ dog for coming on her property? > You have a responsibility as an owner to contain your dog properly.

You told him to HURT his dog or waste thousands of dollars in unnecessary construction to avoid a simple training problem my students would know HOWE to train after just a few minutes of study from their FREE copy of my FREE Wits’ End Dog Training Method manual available for FREE at http://www.doggydoright.com . You know, that’s the one our pals here like ed w of petloss dot CON likes to tell folks I’m SELLIN. > I hope you will do that.

I don’t think there’s any need to do nuthin moore than study your FREE copy of my FREE Wit’s End Dog Training Method manual available for FREE at http://www.doggydoright.com and invest the couple minutes it’ll take to properly handle and … read more »

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<Snip a whole lot of fanatic vitriole> Good Grief! And I thought they had some major nutcases at rec.equestrian! At first I thought the "HOWE" person had created a stepford wife, but now I see s/he’s one and the same. PLONK!     Susan

Response:

HOWEDY susan,

> <Snip a whole lot of fanatic vitriole>

You mean EVIDENCE. > Good Grief! And I thought they had some major nutcases at > rec.equestrian!

Like Monty Roberts? His methods are in some ways identical to mine. > At first I thought the "HOWE" person had created a stepford > but now I see s/he’s one and the same.

I see you’ve been following my posts. > PLONK!

You all say that because Jerry EXPOSES your HUMAN NATURE. >     Susan

You’re a liar and an animal abuser. THAT’S your HUMAN NATURE, as articulated in The SYNDROME. All animal behavior problems are a DIRECT RESULT of your inappropriate and ineffective handling and training techniques. Here’s iron clad EVIDENCE, and I’ll give you as much as you can take. That’s HOWE COME our dog lovers try to convince folks Jerry’s a con man and his students are paid shills for Jerry, sock puppets, liars, and animal fuckers:

– Hide quoted text — Show quoted text -> [...] > >Jerry, after reading some of the threads in the news group, I can’t > >for the life of me understand why this many people are so dang blind > >or ignorant. You just keep plugging away at what you do, because > > you my friend are a life saver!!! > Okay, who the heck ARE you, really? > Who am I? My real name is posted. The story you have read is true. We > were at witts end, found Jerry’s web page by happenstance, wrote to > him almost exactly what you read, he gave me his sugestions, told me > what my results would be including a time line and, you know what? He > was and still is, right on the money. > I don’t care if he’s a warlock, a professor, disgrunted Entomologist, > or a man with a nitche that makes the sciences itchy, he saved the day > AND a dog’s life. > We were given suggestions from Medication, to a Behavioral Specialist. > I decided that instead of creating a Jerry Garcia or pay 125.00 dollars > an hour for my dog to lay on a couch to be freudiated, I decided Jerry > Howe’s method seemed to be more humane and sereine. > It worked, end of story. > A. Testa

Val writes Monday, 6/3/02 (original post of 5/31 below): Well, for what it’s worth, I am praising without physical contact and she does seem to listen better than when I would praise with it.  I agree that it is a distraction. Anyway, no more aggressive behaviors from her since I started the Witts End. Nevyn writes:

Jerry I cannot even begin to tell you the success Ive had with your training manual! My two mutts have gone from out-of-control psychos to obedient well behaved companions within a matter of weeks! AND My friends have seen the success and have asked me to work on their dogs! I was working with a 5 month old Ridgeback female today and she was being an angel after like an hour of working with her! it is AMAZING!! I pity those fools who take their dogs to classes where the "Trainers" abuse their dogs! (do they have a degree? A masters? a Phd? by the way? NO they are average joes off the street who think they know how to train dogs!) Once again, Jerry, you are a genius! NEVYN and my Dogs, Rizzo and Midget, My Grandparents dogs, Dusty and Snoopy, and my friends pup, Jazz. Never give out your password or credit card number in an instant message conversation. Nevyn says: hello Jerry. Jerry says: HOWEDY Nevyn Nevyn says: How are you? Jerry says: sup? Nevyn says: Oh nothing Nevyn says: My dogs are alot better now! Jerry says: fine Jerry says: tell me Nevyn says: I can walk them on or off the leash and they don’t give a % about other dogs Jerry says: naah Nevyn says: I can let them inside and they wont eat the cats Jerry says: naah Nevyn says: Yup Jerry says: what did you do, buy a shock collar? Nevyn says: No Nevyn says: Praised them Jerry says: ahh! Jerry says: you think they’re 100% better Nevyn says: ‘cept they still bark at the neighbour but only coz he swears at them and pours water on them Nevyn says: nahh they still have stinky breath! Nevyn says: muahaha Jerry says: ok Jerry says: I’ll go for that Jerry says: it’ll take a couple more days to break the neighbor thing if you’re consistent Jerry says: then he won’t swear and throw water at them Nevyn says: yeah but he’s only out on the weekends Jerry says: but they’ll still have stinky breath Nevyn says: muahahaha Jerry says: you gonna write the group and tell them they’re suckin hind teat? Nevyn says: eh Nevyn says: nah Nevyn says: cant Nevyn says: my news server isn’t workin Nevyn says: how about u just screenshot or copy this chat and post it Jerry says: why not. Nevyn says: sorry been tryin all day to get on the news server Jerry says: you got anything you’d like to tell the dog lovers who would prefer to see you choke and shock and lock your dogs in a box? Jerry says: I guess you don’t want to tell them nuthin that they don’t already know, huh? Nevyn says: hah Nevyn says: tell them they’re fuckers who need to die Nevyn says: dogs aren’t for abusing they are for loving they love so much Jerry says: that’s HOWE COME they got me now Jerry says: howe much training time did it take for the two of ‘em? Nevyn says: pfftt Nevyn says: it didn’t even seem like training Nevyn says: its been 24 days since I got your manual Jerry says: pfffttt!!!! Jerry says: hhahahahaha Jerry says: have you got that feeling that they’re in tune with EVERYTHING you’re wanting them to do? Jerry says: I forgot what city you’re in. Jerry says: maybe if you’re near alphalpha sweeny you can swing by and LAUGH your ass off at him growling at his dogs??? Jerry says: BWWWHAHAHAHAHAAAA!!! Nevyn says: LOL Nevyn says: I’m in Perth, Australia! Nevyn says: and yes they do seem to be in tune Nevyn says: oh!! the other day my dogs went into submissive position when a tiny little toy poodle came up barking at them! !LOL Jerry says: EXCELLENT! Nevyn says: lol Jerry says: they knew they didn’t need to fight, cause everything was in your expert control. Keep up the good work. j;~) View this article only Hello I have two mungrel females; the breeds exactly are Blue Heeler (spots) x Kelpi (dominant genes) x American Pitbull (behavioural) x Pug (don’t laugh!). They are gentle loving dogs when I’m at home with them, and they are friendly with unknown people. They are sisters. One is obviously dominant over the other, and I don’t have a problem with that, however; Their behaviour is very odd. Some days they are very good whilst I’m walking them, some days they are not. They are 3 years old and have only been walking for about 12 months because my mom didn’t walk them and now I’m home so I walk them for about an hour and half every afternoon. I take them to the park where they chase birds and swim in the lake. This is my problem : The less-dominant dog viscously barks at every other dog we walk past; I have tried using a stick and giving her a tap when she does it, and treating her with treats when she doesn’t, using a choke chain, a muzzle and a thing that sprays stuff in her mouth when she barks. She won’t stop! Does anyone know how I can stop her? ] Also, the more-dominant dog seems to know this is WRONG, when the other dog barks, she doesn’t bark, but she nips at the other dog as if telling her to cut it out, and then the barking one attacks the more-dominant one and they fight on the leash… it is quite disturbing to the people walking past. And also the more-dominant one is okay around other dogs… SOMETIMES… sometimes she completely ignores them, and yet other times she will attack them, like yesterday. The less dominant one I must keep on a leash if a person brings there dog to the park. How do I stop them attacking other dogs? I have tried all the methods I have used above for 10 months every afternoon. Is it just a pac k-behaviour thing? It can really be quite embarrassing when your dogs attack some old lady’s or little girl’s dog. They are good dogs, when at home or when there are no other dogs around. Today there were hundreds of sparrows flying around the park and they were chasing them and jumping up trying to catch them for more than 90 minutes (They went straight to bed when I bought them home!). Can anyone help me? Email me at my emails address, Thanks, Nevyn Friday, 5/31/02: HOWEDY Valerie, > I recently adopted a female, spayed 3 1/2 yr old dalmatian from a no-kill > shelter.

Nice goin. > She spent 2 years in the shelter and naturally she has some > socialization issues to overcome.

Naaah not naturally, anyHOWE. Kenneling for a long time shouldn’t have problems associated with it if the facility was reasonable, and if they’re not killin dogs they couldn’t be as cruel as our dog lovers janet boss john richardson and mikey ball who gladly help dogs DIE. > My problem is I am not quite sure HOW to tackle these issues. . .

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HOWEDY tracy,

> Bones wrote > Nope, can’t build the fence higher because it is chain > link and 500 feet ofit.  If you know the size of a Dane, > you will realize that they will trample almost any shrub. > I need to train my dog to not jump over or even on the > fence.  I don’t want to use an invisible fence because > Danes are really sensitive if you don’t know that already. > They may look tough but they take things to heart.  My > dogs are very spoiled too, (also have a very small shih > tzu) and we don’t use physical discipline on them and > I hate to say it but they get away with a lot because we > are not consistent with our training. > Which is obviously part of the problem.  But I don’t think > I know what to train him with anyway.

Neither do our dog lovers. Our experts haven’t got a clue except for to HURT the dog because THAT is their HUMAN NATURE. That’s HOWE COME they call Jerry’s 100% successfuls students liars, paid shills for Jerry, and animal fuckers. > Bones… > I don’t know

You don’t know squat, tracy. Your own dogs have OCD’s and one of them is being treated at the university behaviorist, and that’ll never work cause they’re treating the DOG’S behavior, not YOUR behavior towards the dog, the CAUSE of ALL your dog behavior problems. > quite what you expect from this group.

That’s REAL EZ tracy. The OP asked HOWE to teach his dog not to jump his fence. > You have a fence that your dog will jump over.

Like mine? Or like Misty’s? Misty don’t use no fence at all, and her dog won’t leave her yard, cause she LEARNED HOWE after you and your pals here LIED to her and told Misty not to believe Jerry and to killfile my information. That got her dog Peach DEAD. Now Misty KNOWS not to HURT her dog to train IT. > If you can’t raise it,

If the OP can’t get it up I suggest he’s got no choice but to train his dog. Besides, the fence as a barrier can make the dog aggressive, whereas the TRAINED dog will respect ITS boundaries and not be overstimulated by the fence so will be less aggressive and MOORE alert. Isn’t THAT a nice benefit for our protection dog lovers? > you CAN replace it with something

Called TRAINING. > higher that he can’t see through.

Or something IMPENETRABLE, like TRAINING, for example. > But that’s not cheap so you WON’T.

Training’s FREE and only takes a few minutes. > You CAN install an invisible fence,

That could make his dog aggressive and get IT DEAD, like "my golden retriever bit the ups driver," and "interested in hearing." > but you WON’T because you say your dog is sensitive.

Unlike yourself. You’re a liar and a dog abuser, tracy. > Maybe you don’t know about invisible fences,

Maybe you don’t know squat about training or you’d offer a METHOD to train the dog not to jump the fence. > but you don’t just put them up, put the collar on and let >  the dog go –

Right. You got to HURT the dog and let IT know YOU are the Thug HURTING IT. > you have to invest a little time in training your dog so he will learn

That is is YOU who is hurtin IT. > to avoid getting a correction, but…

You mean to avoid getting HURT, kinda like the DMZ? > You WON’T correct your dog.

You mean he’s not eager to HURT his dog, but you and blankman and tara.green2 and the rest of our lying dog abusing Thugs will TRY to convince the OP that shocking his dog is acceptable to SAVE IT from harm and to keep you from EMBARRASSMENT. That IS the EPITOME of The SYNDROME. > It is impossible to positively train a dog *not* to do something.

It’s near impossible for our dog lovers to train any dog to do any thing, cause they’re lying dog abusing Thugs, not expert dog trainers. Expert dog trainers don’t NEED to HURT. > You can train them to do something that is > contrary to the behavior you want to stop,

Oh? You gonna teach the dog to stand there and jerk off as our professor SCRUFF SHAKE dermer’s dog does when he gets stressed from being PUNISHED? > or you can condition them to avoid corrections

You mean condition the dog to avoid PAIN? You’re quite the genius! I didn’t know dogs don’t avoid PAIN at all costs…, tracy. > (consequences)

My science book tells me if you HURT a dog it will fear and hate and attack or withdraw from you, and perhaps develop OCD behaviors like excessive masturbation on your couch pillows as professor SCRUFF SHAKE’S little dog Maxi Pads does… or TURNS on them like your pal liea altshuller’s dog Cubbe or leah’s dog Madigan does to them. It’s all in the archives, People. > if they *do* the behavior you don’t want.

You mean if the dog does something that offends your human nature, and scares you or makes you feel out of control and scares and hurts your FEELINGS cause the dog EMBARRASSES you and TAUNTS your consience with fear and GUILT, the cause of your defective ego, inferiority complexes, and weak mind. That’s YOUR HUMAN NATURE compelling your to HURT and KILL and even to LIE about Jerry and call his 100% successful students liars, paid shills for Jerry and animal fuckers. > So, you CAN condition your dog not to jump,

By HURTING IT? > but you WON’T correct him.

But our dog lovers will TRY to CONvince the OP to HURT his dog as our pals enjoy. > So, since you WON’T correct him

You mean won’t HURT him… > and you WON’T raise or replace your fence,

There’s no need for the fence at all, if you ask my 100% successful students like Misty, for example. > your only options are to chain him up

Chaining the dog will make IT MOORE aggressive and maybe make IT MOORE aggressive on lead.  > or keep him in the house. To AVOID a behavior problem you can’t train? > Period.

No. You and your pals are Lying Dog Abusing Thugs, tracy. > If I were in your shoes,

You’d be HURTIN the dog and then wonderin HOWE COME the behaviorists at the university can’t unravel IT’S behavior problems. > I’d replace the fence.

Sure! That’s on account of you’re a idiot, a liar, and a dog abuser. > Chain link is not an ideal dog fence –

ANY fence may cause a barrier frustration syndrome in SOME dogs. > the dog can see through it which can excite his > prey/play drive and give him an enormous motivation to jump it.

And that’s different than just HEARING and SMELLING the critter on the other side… > Neighbor kids (and stupid adults for that matter) can tease > your dog through the fence and make him aggressive.

Right, but hurting the dog yourself is gonna make IT friendly like Sampson was after steve walker got through HURTIN his DEAD dog. > They can feed him things that might make him sick.

Another excellent point. Only takes a few minutes to poison proof a dog. > Also, since your dog can see out of it, he can become > territorial over not just the area he occupies, but also > the area he sees,

That doesn’t fit, dog abuser. The dog is likely to be MOORE aggressive if he can hear but not see. > which can contribute to aggression as the result of guarding behavior.

Yeah. That’s HOWE COME we don’t confine dogs to avoid behavior problems, we address the issues and then there’s no need to confine or worry or HURT the dog. > I wouldn’t want to be your insurance agent.

You wouldn’t be able to get licensed, they don’t tolerate  liars in the insurance business. > You have an accident waiting to happen.

That’s on account of nobody’s got no advice for our OP. > The only thing safe to do

Is HURT the dog… > (within your range of options) is > to either chain him or keep him in the house at all times.

That’s a flat out lie cause my students train their dogs in a few minutes not to jump fence or eat poison or molest other critters. > You chose the dog and you knew that a dane would get big.

Size doesn’t count. Take me for example. I’m only one little guy, and I’m stickin it to the entire industry 24/7 till I bring it to the world wide press and drop the hammer for the final death blow to our dog lovers and their vicious habits. > You either installed the fence or bought it with the house.

This isn’t a fence issue, this is a simple training problem like all the other training problems our dog lovers can’t handle without HURTING the goddamned dog and callin Jerry and his 100% successful students liars ONLY in order to DEFEND your alleged right to HURT and KILL your best dogs because you HURT them because of your defective fragile EGO, inferiority complexes and weak minds, and of course, for the MONEY. Like ed w of petloss dot CON, for example. He recommends koehler cause 10% of koehler trained dogs end up DEAD, like Robert Crim’s Wonder Dog Fritz. My methods would have turned aroun Fritz and woulda made IT work just like Robert’s Wits’ End Trained Dog. That’s HOWE COME our dog lovers TURNED on Robert, when he LEARNED he caused Fritz to go INSANE because of his traditional training methods. > One of the two came first and either your dog is too big > for the fence or the fence is too small for the dog.

So, you gonna HURT the dog? HOWE COME you don’t HURT the fence instead? HOWE COME you don’t HURT the neighbor’s dog like your pal lying lois did to her neighbors’ dog for coming on her property? > You have a responsibility as an owner to contain your dog properly.

You told him to HURT his dog or waste thousands of dollars in unnecessary construction to avoid a simple training problem my students would know HOWE to train after just a few minutes of study from their FREE copy of my FREE Wits’ End Dog Training Method manual available for FREE at http://www.doggydoright.com . You know, that’s the one our pals here like ed w of petloss dot CON likes to tell folks I’m SELLIN. > I hope you will do that.

I don’t think there’s any need to do nuthin moore than study your FREE copy of my FREE Wit’s End Dog Training Method manual available for FREE at http://www.doggydoright.com and invest the couple minutes it’ll take to properly handle and … read more »

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<Snip a whole lot of fanatic vitriole> Good Grief! And I thought they had some major nutcases at rec.equestrian! At first I thought the "HOWE" person had created a stepford wife, but now I see s/he’s one and the same. PLONK!     Susan

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HOWEDY susan,

> <Snip a whole lot of fanatic vitriole>

You mean EVIDENCE. > Good Grief! And I thought they had some major nutcases at > rec.equestrian!

Like Monty Roberts? His methods are in some ways identical to mine. > At first I thought the "HOWE" person had created a stepford > but now I see s/he’s one and the same.

I see you’ve been following my posts. > PLONK!

You all say that because Jerry EXPOSES your HUMAN NATURE. >     Susan

You’re a liar and an animal abuser. THAT’S your HUMAN NATURE, as articulated in The SYNDROME. All animal behavior problems are a DIRECT RESULT of your inappropriate and ineffective handling and training techniques. Here’s iron clad EVIDENCE, and I’ll give you as much as you can take. That’s HOWE COME our dog lovers try to convince folks Jerry’s a con man and his students are paid shills for Jerry, sock puppets, liars, and animal fuckers:

– Hide quoted text — Show quoted text -> [...] > >Jerry, after reading some of the threads in the news group, I can’t > >for the life of me understand why this many people are so dang blind > >or ignorant. You just keep plugging away at what you do, because > > you my friend are a life saver!!! > Okay, who the heck ARE you, really? > Who am I? My real name is posted. The story you have read is true. We > were at witts end, found Jerry’s web page by happenstance, wrote to > him almost exactly what you read, he gave me his sugestions, told me > what my results would be including a time line and, you know what? He > was and still is, right on the money. > I don’t care if he’s a warlock, a professor, disgrunted Entomologist, > or a man with a nitche that makes the sciences itchy, he saved the day > AND a dog’s life. > We were given suggestions from Medication, to a Behavioral Specialist. > I decided that instead of creating a Jerry Garcia or pay 125.00 dollars > an hour for my dog to lay on a couch to be freudiated, I decided Jerry > Howe’s method seemed to be more humane and sereine. > It worked, end of story. > A. Testa

Val writes Monday, 6/3/02 (original post of 5/31 below): Well, for what it’s worth, I am praising without physical contact and she does seem to listen better than when I would praise with it.  I agree that it is a distraction. Anyway, no more aggressive behaviors from her since I started the Witts End. Nevyn writes:

Jerry I cannot even begin to tell you the success Ive had with your training manual! My two mutts have gone from out-of-control psychos to obedient well behaved companions within a matter of weeks! AND My friends have seen the success and have asked me to work on their dogs! I was working with a 5 month old Ridgeback female today and she was being an angel after like an hour of working with her! it is AMAZING!! I pity those fools who take their dogs to classes where the "Trainers" abuse their dogs! (do they have a degree? A masters? a Phd? by the way? NO they are average joes off the street who think they know how to train dogs!) Once again, Jerry, you are a genius! NEVYN and my Dogs, Rizzo and Midget, My Grandparents dogs, Dusty and Snoopy, and my friends pup, Jazz. Never give out your password or credit card number in an instant message conversation. Nevyn says: hello Jerry. Jerry says: HOWEDY Nevyn Nevyn says: How are you? Jerry says: sup? Nevyn says: Oh nothing Nevyn says: My dogs are alot better now! Jerry says: fine Jerry says: tell me Nevyn says: I can walk them on or off the leash and they don’t give a % about other dogs Jerry says: naah Nevyn says: I can let them inside and they wont eat the cats Jerry says: naah Nevyn says: Yup Jerry says: what did you do, buy a shock collar? Nevyn says: No Nevyn says: Praised them Jerry says: ahh! Jerry says: you think they’re 100% better Nevyn says: ‘cept they still bark at the neighbour but only coz he swears at them and pours water on them Nevyn says: nahh they still have stinky breath! Nevyn says: muahaha Jerry says: ok Jerry says: I’ll go for that Jerry says: it’ll take a couple more days to break the neighbor thing if you’re consistent Jerry says: then he won’t swear and throw water at them Nevyn says: yeah but he’s only out on the weekends Jerry says: but they’ll still have stinky breath Nevyn says: muahahaha Jerry says: you gonna write the group and tell them they’re suckin hind teat? Nevyn says: eh Nevyn says: nah Nevyn says: cant Nevyn says: my news server isn’t workin Nevyn says: how about u just screenshot or copy this chat and post it Jerry says: why not. Nevyn says: sorry been tryin all day to get on the news server Jerry says: you got anything you’d like to tell the dog lovers who would prefer to see you choke and shock and lock your dogs in a box? Jerry says: I guess you don’t want to tell them nuthin that they don’t already know, huh? Nevyn says: hah Nevyn says: tell them they’re fuckers who need to die Nevyn says: dogs aren’t for abusing they are for loving they love so much Jerry says: that’s HOWE COME they got me now Jerry says: howe much training time did it take for the two of ‘em? Nevyn says: pfftt Nevyn says: it didn’t even seem like training Nevyn says: its been 24 days since I got your manual Jerry says: pfffttt!!!! Jerry says: hhahahahaha Jerry says: have you got that feeling that they’re in tune with EVERYTHING you’re wanting them to do? Jerry says: I forgot what city you’re in. Jerry says: maybe if you’re near alphalpha sweeny you can swing by and LAUGH your ass off at him growling at his dogs??? Jerry says: BWWWHAHAHAHAHAAAA!!! Nevyn says: LOL Nevyn says: I’m in Perth, Australia! Nevyn says: and yes they do seem to be in tune Nevyn says: oh!! the other day my dogs went into submissive position when a tiny little toy poodle came up barking at them! !LOL Jerry says: EXCELLENT! Nevyn says: lol Jerry says: they knew they didn’t need to fight, cause everything was in your expert control. Keep up the good work. j;~) View this article only Hello I have two mungrel females; the breeds exactly are Blue Heeler (spots) x Kelpi (dominant genes) x American Pitbull (behavioural) x Pug (don’t laugh!). They are gentle loving dogs when I’m at home with them, and they are friendly with unknown people. They are sisters. One is obviously dominant over the other, and I don’t have a problem with that, however; Their behaviour is very odd. Some days they are very good whilst I’m walking them, some days they are not. They are 3 years old and have only been walking for about 12 months because my mom didn’t walk them and now I’m home so I walk them for about an hour and half every afternoon. I take them to the park where they chase birds and swim in the lake. This is my problem : The less-dominant dog viscously barks at every other dog we walk past; I have tried using a stick and giving her a tap when she does it, and treating her with treats when she doesn’t, using a choke chain, a muzzle and a thing that sprays stuff in her mouth when she barks. She won’t stop! Does anyone know how I can stop her? ] Also, the more-dominant dog seems to know this is WRONG, when the other dog barks, she doesn’t bark, but she nips at the other dog as if telling her to cut it out, and then the barking one attacks the more-dominant one and they fight on the leash… it is quite disturbing to the people walking past. And also the more-dominant one is okay around other dogs… SOMETIMES… sometimes she completely ignores them, and yet other times she will attack them, like yesterday. The less dominant one I must keep on a leash if a person brings there dog to the park. How do I stop them attacking other dogs? I have tried all the methods I have used above for 10 months every afternoon. Is it just a pac k-behaviour thing? It can really be quite embarrassing when your dogs attack some old lady’s or little girl’s dog. They are good dogs, when at home or when there are no other dogs around. Today there were hundreds of sparrows flying around the park and they were chasing them and jumping up trying to catch them for more than 90 minutes (They went straight to bed when I bought them home!). Can anyone help me? Email me at my emails address, Thanks, Nevyn Friday, 5/31/02: HOWEDY Valerie, > I recently adopted a female, spayed 3 1/2 yr old dalmatian from a no-kill > shelter.

Nice goin. > She spent 2 years in the shelter and naturally she has some > socialization issues to overcome.

Naaah not naturally, anyHOWE. Kenneling for a long time shouldn’t have problems associated with it if the facility was reasonable, and if they’re not killin dogs they couldn’t be as cruel as our dog lovers janet boss john richardson and mikey ball who gladly help dogs DIE. > My problem is I am not quite sure HOW to tackle these issues. . .

Don’t worry about it! I got all the answers and none of the calories. All ya got to do is agree to do anything Jerry sez and you get the aluminum funnel hat, membership card, secret password, secret decoder ring, secret fan club privilidges, secret FREE Wits’ End Dog Training Method manual, secret FREE Wits’ End Dog Training … read more »

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HOWEDY tracy,

> Bones wrote > Nope, can’t build the fence higher because it is chain > link and 500 feet ofit.  If you know the size of a Dane, > you will realize that they will trample almost any shrub. > I need to train my dog to not jump over or even on the > fence.  I don’t want to use an invisible fence because > Danes are really sensitive if you don’t know that already. > They may look tough but they take things to heart.  My > dogs are very spoiled too, (also have a very small shih > tzu) and we don’t use physical discipline on them and > I hate to say it but they get away with a lot because we > are not consistent with our training. > Which is obviously part of the problem.  But I don’t think > I know what to train him with anyway.

Neither do our dog lovers. Our experts haven’t got a clue except for to HURT the dog because THAT is their HUMAN NATURE. That’s HOWE COME they call Jerry’s 100% successfuls students liars, paid shills for Jerry, and animal fuckers. > Bones… > I don’t know

You don’t know squat, tracy. Your own dogs have OCD’s and one of them is being treated at the university behaviorist, and that’ll never work cause they’re treating the DOG’S behavior, not YOUR behavior towards the dog, the CAUSE of ALL your dog behavior problems. > quite what you expect from this group.

That’s REAL EZ tracy. The OP asked HOWE to teach his dog not to jump his fence. > You have a fence that your dog will jump over.

Like mine? Or like Misty’s? Misty don’t use no fence at all, and her dog won’t leave her yard, cause she LEARNED HOWE after you and your pals here LIED to her and told Misty not to believe Jerry and to killfile my information. That got her dog Peach DEAD. Now Misty KNOWS not to HURT her dog to train IT. > If you can’t raise it,

If the OP can’t get it up I suggest he’s got no choice but to train his dog. Besides, the fence as a barrier can make the dog aggressive, whereas the TRAINED dog will respect ITS boundaries and not be overstimulated by the fence so will be less aggressive and MOORE alert. Isn’t THAT a nice benefit for our protection dog lovers? > you CAN replace it with something

Called TRAINING. > higher that he can’t see through.

Or something IMPENETRABLE, like TRAINING, for example. > But that’s not cheap so you WON’T.

Training’s FREE and only takes a few minutes. > You CAN install an invisible fence,

That could make his dog aggressive and get IT DEAD, like "my golden retriever bit the ups driver," and "interested in hearing." > but you WON’T because you say your dog is sensitive.

Unlike yourself. You’re a liar and a dog abuser, tracy. > Maybe you don’t know about invisible fences,

Maybe you don’t know squat about training or you’d offer a METHOD to train the dog not to jump the fence. > but you don’t just put them up, put the collar on and let >  the dog go –

Right. You got to HURT the dog and let IT know YOU are the Thug HURTING IT. > you have to invest a little time in training your dog so he will learn

That is is YOU who is hurtin IT. > to avoid getting a correction, but…

You mean to avoid getting HURT, kinda like the DMZ? > You WON’T correct your dog.

You mean he’s not eager to HURT his dog, but you and blankman and tara.green2 and the rest of our lying dog abusing Thugs will TRY to convince the OP that shocking his dog is acceptable to SAVE IT from harm and to keep you from EMBARRASSMENT. That IS the EPITOME of The SYNDROME. > It is impossible to positively train a dog *not* to do something.

It’s near impossible for our dog lovers to train any dog to do any thing, cause they’re lying dog abusing Thugs, not expert dog trainers. Expert dog trainers don’t NEED to HURT. > You can train them to do something that is > contrary to the behavior you want to stop,

Oh? You gonna teach the dog to stand there and jerk off as our professor SCRUFF SHAKE dermer’s dog does when he gets stressed from being PUNISHED? > or you can condition them to avoid corrections

You mean condition the dog to avoid PAIN? You’re quite the genius! I didn’t know dogs don’t avoid PAIN at all costs…, tracy. > (consequences)

My science book tells me if you HURT a dog it will fear and hate and attack or withdraw from you, and perhaps develop OCD behaviors like excessive masturbation on your couch pillows as professor SCRUFF SHAKE’S little dog Maxi Pads does… or TURNS on them like your pal liea altshuller’s dog Cubbe or leah’s dog Madigan does to them. It’s all in the archives, People. > if they *do* the behavior you don’t want.

You mean if the dog does something that offends your human nature, and scares you or makes you feel out of control and scares and hurts your FEELINGS cause the dog EMBARRASSES you and TAUNTS your consience with fear and GUILT, the cause of your defective ego, inferiority complexes, and weak mind. That’s YOUR HUMAN NATURE compelling your to HURT and KILL and even to LIE about Jerry and call his 100% successful students liars, paid shills for Jerry and animal fuckers. > So, you CAN condition your dog not to jump,

By HURTING IT? > but you WON’T correct him.

But our dog lovers will TRY to CONvince the OP to HURT his dog as our pals enjoy. > So, since you WON’T correct him

You mean won’t HURT him… > and you WON’T raise or replace your fence,

There’s no need for the fence at all, if you ask my 100% successful students like Misty, for example. > your only options are to chain him up

Chaining the dog will make IT MOORE aggressive and maybe make IT MOORE aggressive on lead.  > or keep him in the house. To AVOID a behavior problem you can’t train? > Period.

No. You and your pals are Lying Dog Abusing Thugs, tracy. > If I were in your shoes,

You’d be HURTIN the dog and then wonderin HOWE COME the behaviorists at the university can’t unravel IT’S behavior problems. > I’d replace the fence.

Sure! That’s on account of you’re a idiot, a liar, and a dog abuser. > Chain link is not an ideal dog fence –

ANY fence may cause a barrier frustration syndrome in SOME dogs. > the dog can see through it which can excite his > prey/play drive and give him an enormous motivation to jump it.

And that’s different than just HEARING and SMELLING the critter on the other side… > Neighbor kids (and stupid adults for that matter) can tease > your dog through the fence and make him aggressive.

Right, but hurting the dog yourself is gonna make IT friendly like Sampson was after steve walker got through HURTIN his DEAD dog. > They can feed him things that might make him sick.

Another excellent point. Only takes a few minutes to poison proof a dog. > Also, since your dog can see out of it, he can become > territorial over not just the area he occupies, but also > the area he sees,

That doesn’t fit, dog abuser. The dog is likely to be MOORE aggressive if he can hear but not see. > which can contribute to aggression as the result of guarding behavior.

Yeah. That’s HOWE COME we don’t confine dogs to avoid behavior problems, we address the issues and then there’s no need to confine or worry or HURT the dog. > I wouldn’t want to be your insurance agent.

You wouldn’t be able to get licensed, they don’t tolerate  liars in the insurance business. > You have an accident waiting to happen.

That’s on account of nobody’s got no advice for our OP. > The only thing safe to do

Is HURT the dog… > (within your range of options) is > to either chain him or keep him in the house at all times.

That’s a flat out lie cause my students train their dogs in a few minutes not to jump fence or eat poison or molest other critters. > You chose the dog and you knew that a dane would get big.

Size doesn’t count. Take me for example. I’m only one little guy, and I’m stickin it to the entire industry 24/7 till I bring it to the world wide press and drop the hammer for the final death blow to our dog lovers and their vicious habits. > You either installed the fence or bought it with the house.

This isn’t a fence issue, this is a simple training problem like all the other training problems our dog lovers can’t handle without HURTING the goddamned dog and callin Jerry and his 100% successful students liars ONLY in order to DEFEND your alleged right to HURT and KILL your best dogs because you HURT them because of your defective fragile EGO, inferiority complexes and weak minds, and of course, for the MONEY. Like ed w of petloss dot CON, for example. He recommends koehler cause 10% of koehler trained dogs end up DEAD, like Robert Crim’s Wonder Dog Fritz. My methods would have turned aroun Fritz and woulda made IT work just like Robert’s Wits’ End Trained Dog. That’s HOWE COME our dog lovers TURNED on Robert, when he LEARNED he caused Fritz to go INSANE because of his traditional training methods. > One of the two came first and either your dog is too big > for the fence or the fence is too small for the dog.

So, you gonna HURT the dog? HOWE COME you don’t HURT the fence instead? HOWE COME you don’t HURT the neighbor’s dog like your pal lying lois did to her neighbors’ dog for coming on her property? > You have a responsibility as an owner to contain your dog properly.

You told him to HURT his dog or waste thousands of dollars in unnecessary construction to avoid a simple training problem my students would know HOWE to train after just a few minutes of study from their FREE copy of my FREE Wits’ End Dog Training Method manual available for FREE at http://www.doggydoright.com . You know, that’s the one our pals here like ed w of petloss dot CON likes to tell folks I’m SELLIN. > I hope you will do that.

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– Hide quoted text — Show quoted text ->It’s bad netiquette to edit other people’s messages. >   No it’s not.  Not when you’re just snipping errata.  It’s bad > netiquette to quote 200 lines of message when you’re only adding two > lines. > Shame >on you. >   "Hello, Pot?  This is the kettle speaking…" > Mike Graham                  | Fighting the good fight against porosity, > <http://www.metalmangler.com>| try to correct the spelling of ‘weldor’.

IDIOT. All dog behavior problems are caused by ineffective and inappropriate handling and training methods as taught by our "experts" and university behaviorists. "Traditional training" is responsible for ALL dog behavior problems. Study my FREE manual and you’ll know moore than ALL of our "expert" trainers put together and save your hard earned dough. Jerry. "Many People Have Problems Getting The Pinch Right, Either They Do Not Pinch Enough, Or They Have A Very Stoic Dog. Some Dogs Will Collapse Into A Heap. About The Ear Pinch: You Must Keep The Pressure Up" sindy "don’t let the dog SCREAM" mooreon. "Warning: Sometimes The Corrections Will Seem Quite Harsh And  Cause You To Cringe. This Is A Normal Reaction The First Few  Times It Happens, But You’ll Get Over It." mike duforth, author:  "Courteous Canine." "I have heard advice stating that you should pre-load your dog for Bitter Apple for it to work as efficiently as possible. What  does this mean? When you bring home the Bitter Apple for the first time, spray one squirt directly into the dog’s mouth and walk away. The dog won’t be too thrilled with this but just ignore him and continue your normal behavior."   –Mike Dufort     author of the zero selling book     "Courteous Canines" Yeah. When I preload my dog’s mouth with bitter apple, suppose I don’t get used to being stupid and cruel, mikey? Then HOWE do I train my dog if I can’t HURT it?   "Nope. That "beating dogs with sticks" things is   something you twisted out of context, because you   are full of bizarro manure." > > Jerome Bigge writes: > > I do know that hitting, hurting your dog will often make the > > dog either aggressive or a fear biter, neither of which we

 > > > want to do. > And neither does anyone else, Jerome.  No matter what Jerry Howe > states. > –Matt.  Rocky’s a Dog. > You’re scary Marilyn. > Marilyn must be quite a disturbed individual.  I feel very sorry > for her and her family. > BUT, giving you the benefit of the doubt,  please provide a quote > (an original quote, not from one of Jerry  Howe’s heavily edited > diatribes) that shows a regular poster promoting > or using an abusive form of training. > –Matt.  Rocky’s a Dog.

>Di, > I don’t believe you mentioned a particular kind of training. If you > are interested in training retrieval behavior than do consider > our own Amy Dahl’s: > The 10-Minute Retriever : How to Make a Well-Mannered, Obedient and > Enthusiastic Gun Dog in 10 Minutes a Day > by John I. Dahl, Amy Dahl

You failed to mention your pals the dahls are proven liars and dog abusers, professor "SCRUFF SHAKE:"  "I Would Never Advise Anyone To Slap A Dog I Do Not Believe There  Is A Single Circumstance Ever, Where Slapping A Dog Is Anything  But Destructive," "I don’t see why anyone would want to choke or  beat a dog, or how any trainer could possibly get a good working dog by  making them unhapper, fearful, cowering, etc." sez amy lying frosty dahl  who continues: > just $17.95 at Amazon.com. > (Also, it is best to killfile posts from the few regulars here who > are either ill-tempered, ill-mannered, or just plain ill.) > –Marshall

amy lying frosty dahl continues:  "On the other extreme, the really hard dogs we have trained  require much more frequent and heavy application of  pressure (PAIN j.h.) to get the job done,  This is continued resistance to your increasing authority, and the  job is not done until it is overcome  Get A 30"- 40" Stick.You can have a helper wield the stick, or do it  yourself. Tougher,  less tractable dogs may require you to progress to  striking them more sharply  Try pinching the ear between the metal casing and the collar,  even the  buckle on the collar. Persist! Eventually, the dog will give in  but will squeal, thrash around, and direct their efforts to escaping the  ear pinch  You can press the dog’s ear with a shotshell instead of your thumb  even get a studded collar and pinch the ear against that  Make the dog’s need to stop the pinching so urgent that resisting  your will fades in importance.  CHUCK IT Under ITS Chin With That Ever Ready Right Hand,  As it catches on, try using the stick and no ear pinch. When the  dog is digging out to beat the stick and seems totally reliable without  any ear pinch, you are finished  This is continued resistance to your increasing authority,  and the job is not done until it is overcome" If the dog drops it, chuck  it solidly under the chin, say "No! Hold!"  (stay on the ear until it does) (perhaps because the ear is getting  tender, or the dog has decided it isn’t worth it)" lying frosty dahl.  "Chin cuff absolutely does not mean slap," professora gingold. writes: > -snip headers etc. > Yes. you’re right, I really should find the book.. they don’t have these > books in the local pet stores I frequent, where do you find Koehler? >I got a nice large print copy from Amazon.com >Richard

  Please try Powell’s Books in Portland Oregon. Their URL is:                     http://www.powells.com/   Unlike Amazon.com, Powell’s keeps both new and used books on   its shelves. You can order books via e-email.                      Koehler Method Of Dog Training                      by Koehler, W R                      Published by HOWELL BOOK HOUSE (0876056575, Here’s some quotes and some methods right outta your koehler book professor "SCRUFF SHAKE:" "The Koehler Method of Dog Training" Howell Book House," 1996 William Koehler BARKING, WHINING, HOWLING, YODELING, SCREAMING, AND WAILING The fact that you realize you have such a problem makes it certain you have "reproved" the dog often enough to let him know you were against his sound effects, even though your reproving didn’t quiet them, so we’ll bypass the loudly clapped hands, the cup of water in his face, and the "shame-shames" and start with something more emphatic. We’ll begin with the easiest kind of vocalist to correct: the one that charges gates, fences, doors, and windows, barking furiously at familiar or imaginary people and objects. A few clusters of BBs from a good slingshot, in conjunction with the light line and plenty of temptations, will cause such a dog to use his mind rather than his mouth. But you won’t make the permanent impression unless you supply dozens of opportunities for him to exercise the control he thus acquires. Make sure these opportunities don’t always come at the same time of the day, else he may learn to observe the "quiet hour" and pursue his old routines at other times. With the help of the light line, it will be easy to follow the BBs with a long down to make sure he gets the most from his lesson. As was mentioned before, eliminating the senseless barking will not lessen the dog’s value as a  watchdog but rather, as he grows more discriminating, increase it. The dog who vocalizes in bratty protest or lonesomeness because you’re gone constitutes a different problem. If it is impractical for someone to stay with him constantly (there are owners who cater to neurosis by employing dog sitters), you’ll have to heed the neighbors and the law and quiet the dog. This calls for a little ingenuity as well as a heavy hand. Attach a line to your dog’s collar, so your corrective effort doesn’t turn into a footrace around the house until you reach a stalemate under the bed. This use of the line in the correction will also serve to establish it as a reminder to be quiet as the dog drags it around when you’re not present. Next, equip yourself with a man’s leather belt or a strap heavy enough to give your particular dog a good tanning. Yup-we’re going to strike him. Real hard. Remember, you’re dealing with a dog who knows he should be quiet and neighbors who have legal rights to see that he does. Now leave, and let your fading footsteps tell the dog of your going. When you’ve walked to a point where he’ll think you’re gone but where you could hear any noises he might make, stop and listen. If you find a comfortable waiting place on a nearby porch, be careful not to talk or laugh. Tests show a dog’s hearing to be many times as sharp as yours. When the noise comes, instead of trying to sneak up to the door so you can barge in while he’s still barking, which is generally impossible, respond to his first sound with an emphatic bellow of "out," and keep on bellowing as you charge back to his area. Thunder through the door or gate, snatch up the belt that you’ve conveniently placed, and descend on him. He’ll have no chance to dodge if you grab the line  and reel him in until his front feet are raised off the floor or, if he’s a big dog, until you’ve snubbed him up with a hitch on something. While he’s held in close, lay the strap vigorously against his thighs. Keep pouring it on him until he thinks it’s the bitter end. A real … read more »

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>Mr. Gregory, >I will tell you one *Moore* time. Do NOT edit my messages!! > [snip] > You’ve been headed for my killfile for a long time, but everytime I > start to plonk you, you go and say really hilarious stuff like this. > [and yet another flagrant snip]

Try laughin at this:      Elaine McClung, President of Pet Rescue, Animal Commissioner      Brevard Co FL, writes:      Hi Jerry,      I received email from Mark Shaw on 10/6 which I just read today.      Sorry I didn’t have time to get to it sooner. We have had a lot      going on in our area concerning animals. We formed a new Task      Force to address spay/neuter, pet overpopulation and animal      abuse. I needed to do a lot of research before the first meeting and      time was just not available for anything else.      Anyway the letter went on to say that we are in collusion, I tried      to defraud him, and have sent none of the materials that he has      asked for although he has yet to furnish the P. O. Box number that      he wanted them sent to in the first place. He goes on to state that      I am no longer eligible for the "fictions reward." All of this is in      answer to postings that prove I was "sharing" his email with you      which in his opinion was a breach of good manners. His email only      had terms and conditions of the reward which I would consider      "public information."      Be that as it may, I would like to state that you had my permission      to post any email I have sent you regarding DDR including this      email.      I’m very sorry that you have to put up with this type of situation      from someone that obviously never intended to make good on his      reward offer in the first place.      I had a call from a friend of mine with a very aggressive cat. I      have loaned her my DDR for a few weeks to see if it will calm JR      down. I will let you know the results. She goes to the same holistic      vet that I go to and he is also interested.      In case Mark does post to the list again I would like to say that I      do very much believe that DDR will help JR as I know it has helped      my dogs and cats. I have entirely too much to do, to worry about his      opinions or reward.      The only reason I was willing to apply for the reward was on your      behalf as I do think your product is a valuable tool in helping with      aggression and other behavior problems.      I am in Feral Cat Network (we spay and neuter approximately 100      feral cats a month), I am also a member of a local AKC dog      obedience club, member of a local AKC agility club, president of      Pet Rescue, board member of the Alliance for Care and Welfare of      Animals (on the board are: county commissioner, vet. rep., rep. from      AKC dog club, CFA cat club, assistant County manager, head of      animal control, director of two different shelters, etc.) and Space      Coast Feline Network http://www.spacecoastfelinenetwork.com      I listed these not to be on an ego trip but to let Mark know that I      am involved with animals and have very little time to play games      with him also I would not recommend your product if I did not      believe in it.      Please feel free to post this email as it has no copyright on it as      did Mark Shaw’s last email to me.      Take care Jerry and don’t let the Mark’s of the world get you down.      Elaine      Thank you, Elaine. I have been trying to educate the mark’s of this      world, with some occasional successes. I guess that’s variable      reinforcement?      Yours, Jerry.

> I don’t now whether Peach is dead or alive. I do know she’s not here > with us. I really can’t blame anyone here for her loss. I’m the one > who ignored your advice. I did it because of how you write/wrote. I > was unwilling to accept the idea that my using a shock collar could have > any bearing on Peach not wanting to stay home. Up until I started using > it my main concern had been keeping my dogs in their own yard. Once I > started using the e-fence…well, then my concern became how to keep > them from running off for days on end. > I lost valuable training time becoming embroiled in the anti-shock > debate and the "Jerry sux" tirades. > I lost one dog but I have the bestest dog in the world now <g> A Wits > End Trained dog, one who is completely housetrained, doesn’t chew up > stuff, stays in the yard, and doesn’t bark all the time. IOW a great > companion and friend. > Thanks Jerry!

My 100% successful student Robert Crim used to be our Gang’s most pupular poster, writing entertaining stories about his Wonder Dog Fritz… a beautiful critter. Then he killed IT. Then I slapped him upside his head, and Robert was sensitive and intelligent enough to FIGURE IT OUT and now he has Rollie, a Wits’ End Trained Dog. So our dog lovers killfiled him: – Hide quoted text — Show quoted text -> Hey, do like me, and killfile Jerry. > He has millions of people aleady reading his posts and > watching him extract his soggy  foot out of his mouth! > Out of these MILLIONS, I’ve only seen 2 naive childs > come forward and actually believe in his training manual. > Robert Crim writes: > I assume that I and my wife are those two naive childs since > I freely admit to having read and, I hope, understood enough > of the manual and it’s counterparts by John Fisher and the > posts of Marilyn Rammell to believe and use it.  This naive > child would like to say thank you to both Jerry and Marilyn for > putting up with a constant barrage of really infantile crap at > the hands of supposedly adult dog lovers. > The other naive child (LSW) has to put up with the nagging > idea that if people like them had been posting earlier, maybe > we would not have had to hold the head of a really > magnificent animal in our arms while he was given the > needle and having to hug him and wait until he gasped > his last gasp. > To my mind, "naive" is believing you can terrorize a dog into > good behavior.  Naive is believing that people that hide > behind fake names are more honest than people that use > their real names.  Naive is thinking that dilettante dog > breeders and amateur "trainers" like Joey (lyingdogDUMMY, > j.h.) are the equal or better than those that have studied and > lived by their craft for decades. > "Stupid" is believing that people do not see kindergarten > level insults for what they are.   Really stupid is believing that > people like Jerry Howe and Marilyn Rammell are going to > just go away because you people act like fools.  Why do you > act like fools?  I really have no idea, and I don’t really care. > admit to buying and having success with his little black > box. > I think I’m going to get one myself for Father’s day and take > it down to the Animal Shelter for their use and testing.  You > would never believe the results, so you’ll never know. > Anyone by now that doesn’t see a scam man coming by > Jerry’s posts deserves to get what is sure to be coming to > him! LOL! > I don’t see a "scam man", so I guess I and Longsuffering > Wife and Rollei will just have to get what we deserve, eh? > As Joey (Dogman) says, "poor Rollei."…….right. >Terri > Yes it was, and that is sad. > Robert, Longsuffering Wife and Rollei (do I get to listen to the box > first?)

– Hide quoted text — Show quoted text -> We just installed a PetSafe brand fence this Spring. > Two dogs, two collars We now have one dog and no > collars. > Peach and Zelda would run thru the fence, not want to > come back in the yard and would run for days. The > last time, Peach didn’t come back home. > I used the Wit’s End Training Manual to learn how to > train my dog. She is now border trained. A few > minutes each day reinforces her desire to stay in the > yard. > She no longer runs out into the road, I can stop her > from chasing cats and she no longer cringes when we > walk around the yard. > I can not say loud or long enough how much I hate the > e-fence and its collars. If you can’t get a regular fence > then you need to train your dog. I will never rely on an > electronic collar to keep my dog in our yard again. > The price was too high:-( > ~misty

    > Jerry sent me the DDR when I mentioned my cockatoo was stressed out by     > my then just learning to walk baby.     > Buddy was screaming day and night..lunging at Joey whenever he crawled     > up to Buddy’s cage and nipping the baby ( if Buddy wanted to his beak     > is powerful enough to sever an adult’s finger in one snap!)     > At first we noticed nothing… after a few days ..nothing..nothing     > except quiet     > That’s not to say Buddy never screams.. heh.. he’a a ‘Too.. but the     > late night scream-a-thons ended.      > He also tolerates Joey playing in his water dish <sigh> just what I      > want…2 splashers! Buddy loves to bathe in his water until there’s      > more water on the floor and walls than in his dish      > Twice now Buddy has had marathon scream-a-thons… for a few days      > each time. It takes that long for me to realize the DDR is unplugged :-O      > Once cos DH did some maintenance and forgot to plug it back in ( of      > course he remembered to plug the washing machine back in ;-P)      > The second time I had unplugged it while sweeping…and forgot to      > plug it back in…      > We sure enjoy him being such a good

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You’ve been reported to your provider. – Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – > RollingOTFLMAO!!! > Hilarious! > >I will tell you one *Moore* time. Do NOT edit my messages!! > >They are my property and I will not have you running around > >willfully deleting my intellectual property and depriving my > >Global fan base the opportunity to view the best dogumentary > >dogudrama and entertraining on the planet. >   Wait a minute… do you honestly believe that the original message > disappears when someone posts a reply to it?  Geez, buddy, you are > truly ignorant of usenet function. >   And you spelled ‘more’ wrong. >   Try calling your ISP and explaining your predicament.  I’d love to > hear if they manage not to laugh until after they hang up! > Mike Graham                  | Fighting the good fight against porosity, > <http://www.metalmangler.com>| try to correct the spelling of ‘weldor’.

– this is michael reporting live… http://dogtv.com with guest star Kwame Brown http://dogtv.com/kwame.jpg WORLD PREMIERE From homeless to World Famous Kwame Brown http://dogtv.com/kwame.rm Times they are a changing people, and so is the Muzzle. And what my colleague Jerry Howe and I have set in motion is an unopposable tidal wave of information, imagery and motion pictures which is going to affect every trainer, every vet, every behaviorist and every dime store dog "expert" in America and the world at large as we know it. Whether they like it or not. WELCOME TO THE NEW MUZZLE OF DOG TRAINING this is your ceo speaking…

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You’ve been reported to your provider. – Hide quoted text — Show quoted text ->I will tell you one *Moore* time. Do NOT edit my messages!! >They are my property and I will not have you running around >willfully deleting my intellectual property and depriving my >Global fan base the opportunity to view the best dogumentary >dogudrama and entertraining on the planet. >   Wait a minute… do you honestly believe that the original message > disappears when someone posts a reply to it?  Geez, buddy, you are > truly ignorant of usenet function. >   And you spelled ‘more’ wrong. >   Try calling your ISP and explaining your predicament.  I’d love to > hear if they manage not to laugh until after they hang up! > Mike Graham                  | Fighting the good fight against porosity, > <http://www.metalmangler.com>| try to correct the spelling of ‘weldor’.

– this is michael reporting live… http://dogtv.com with guest star Kwame Brown http://dogtv.com/kwame.jpg WORLD PREMIERE From homeless to World Famous Kwame Brown http://dogtv.com/kwame.rm Times they are a changing people, and so is the Muzzle. And what my colleague Jerry Howe and I have set in motion is an unopposable tidal wave of information, imagery and motion pictures which is going to affect every trainer, every vet, every behaviorist and every dime store dog "expert" in America and the world at large as we know it. Whether they like it or not. WELCOME TO THE NEW MUZZLE OF DOG TRAINING this is your ceo speaking…

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> You’ve been reported to your provider.

[snip] Hey, that’s totally unfair!  You file complaints on Mike and Q but leave me out?!  I deserve one.  I *earned* it, dammit! <pout>

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>Mr. Gregory, >I will tell you one *Moore* time. Do NOT edit my messages!!

[snip] You’ve been headed for my killfile for a long time, but everytime I start to plonk you, you go and say really hilarious stuff like this. [and yet another flagrant snip]

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RollingOTFLMAO!!! Hilarious! – Hide quoted text — Show quoted text ->I will tell you one *Moore* time. Do NOT edit my messages!! >They are my property and I will not have you running around >willfully deleting my intellectual property and depriving my >Global fan base the opportunity to view the best dogumentary >dogudrama and entertraining on the planet. >   Wait a minute… do you honestly believe that the original message > disappears when someone posts a reply to it?  Geez, buddy, you are > truly ignorant of usenet function. >   And you spelled ‘more’ wrong. >   Try calling your ISP and explaining your predicament.  I’d love to > hear if they manage not to laugh until after they hang up! > Mike Graham                  | Fighting the good fight against porosity, > <http://www.metalmangler.com>| try to correct the spelling of ‘weldor’.

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>I will tell you one *Moore* time. Do NOT edit my messages!! >They are my property and I will not have you running around >willfully deleting my intellectual property and depriving my >Global fan base the opportunity to view the best dogumentary >dogudrama and entertraining on the planet.

  Wait a minute… do you honestly believe that the original message disappears when someone posts a reply to it?  Geez, buddy, you are truly ignorant of usenet function.   And you spelled ‘more’ wrong.   Try calling your ISP and explaining your predicament.  I’d love to hear if they manage not to laugh until after they hang up! Mike Graham                  | Fighting the good fight against porosity, <http://www.metalmangler.com>| try to correct the spelling of ‘weldor’.

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> >It’s bad netiquette to edit other people’s messages. Shame >on you. > You are so clueless it’s mind boggling.  And for a spammer to lecture > on netiquette and then re-post his entire spam in the same message… > well, that’s just priceless.

Mr. Gregory, I will tell you one *Moore* time. Do NOT edit my messages!! They are my property and I will not have you running around willfully deleting my intellectual property and depriving my Global fan base the opportunity to view the best dogumentary dogudrama and entertraining on the planet. Message restored to original state. Followups set to appropriate groups. Crossposting fixed. Hello CAS, why yes, why yes I do. I’m in the process of redeveloping everything so all my videos are MOORE accessible But for the time being, here’s a few interesting samples Hello fans, over the past 3 years, I, as the ceo of this operation have been practicing and building and refining and releasing video clips steadily. At dogtv.com networks, we now have the technology and the skill to produce Broadcast TV quality material. Whether my finished product ends up on PBS, HBO or released as videos for sale on my websites: http://dogtv.com http://dogcd.com http://dogdvd.com http://changethemuzzle.com or one or Moore of the above, remains to be seen, but our studios are now equipped with state of the art all digital television production equipment and our goal, as always to provide the best dogumentary, dogudrama and dog entertraining content on the planet. And now, for a few samples from the past four years: "WHEN HOPE ATTACKS" This video is 10mb MPEG and it features: Hope attacking the stupid cameraman Hope attacking Chazz Hope attacking young boys The Stupid Cameraman laughing at Hope attacking young boys Callie stopping Hope from attacking Chazz Callie, Chazz and Hope Racing WORLD PREMIERE from dogtv.com networks "When Hope Attacks" direct link http://dogtv.com/hope_attacks.mpg "No Bones A Bite it"  multimedia tutorial covering  bones of contention  possession aggression  teaching the "watch" command  2:12  12 mb  MPEG1  http://dogdvd.com/NoBite.mpg "MIND IN A CAGE" A look at the phenomenon of putting man’s best friend in a cage. Is this *REALLY* good for dogs? A unique view from inside the cage of a puppy named Chazz in 1996 http://dogtv.com/cage.rm  (4mb RealVideo) (the opinions expressed in this video do not necessarily reflect the views of dogtv.com networks, it’s dogs, cats, employees or Venture Capital Funders) MICHAEL v MATTY Matthew Margolis comes from a school/generation of dog trainers who use fear to drum up business.  Perhaps this approach was taught by the leader of that school/generation, good ol’ Capn’ Haggerty?  Somebody taught Matty that in order to be a successful dog trainer, you have to do things like Call yourself the "National" Dog Training Center to sound important, and yeah, to make people really afraid of what will happen if they don’t hire you to train their dog. See Michael "dog game superstar" Patton confront "Uncle" Matty Margolis in a cross continental Television discussion about dangerous dogs and dog biting, while a ferocious and deadly pit bull puppy snoozes menacingly under the desk. WORLD PREMIERE Michael vs Matty http://dogtv.com/michael_matty.rm 10mb RealVideo CODY VS CALLIE Dogs are more likely to bite or forget their manners when there is competition for food. The "Bite This" methodology is all about seeking out situations like this, instead of avoiding them. Don’t avoid the issue (aggression) or it could come back to bite you No Bite With Competition http://dogtv.com/cody_callie.mpg  (1:50 | 10mb | MPEG) — this is a special investigative report from dogtv.com networks http://dogtv.com The Real Michael a special investigative report from dogtv.com networks dogtv.com caught up with the man who proclaimed in 1997 that he would single handedly Change the Muzzle of dog training. This never before seen footage from 1998 provides a revealing insight into the most controversial figure in the Dog Game. This guy recently (may 2001) appeared on a show with PBS personality "Uncle Matty" Margolis and said Matty was an "enemy of dogs" on live television. How could Uncle Matty be an enemy of dogs? Michael also says he’s going to do with no funding what pets.com couldn’t do with hundreds of millions. C’mon, Gimmie a Break! Is this Michael guy for real, or just another con artist trying to pull the wool over our eyes? You decide. http://dogtv.com/RealMichael.rm  (3.4mb RealVideo) (the opinions expressed in this video do not necessarily reflect the views of dogtv.com networks, it’s dogs, cats, employees or Venture Capital Funders) — this is a special investigative report from dogtv.com networks http://dogtv.com And, of course, there’s MOORE where that came from, including this clip starring the cameraman vs the dangerous chow HOWE to greet a "dangerous" dog http://dogtv.com/dangerous_chow.rm And, of course, Callie Stealing the Show at the 1998 APDT convention http://dogtv.com/CallieStealsShow2.rm and, of course, Michael’s famous jumpshot http://dogtv.com/michael_jumpshot.rm Look forward to HBO/PBS/MTV quality dogumentary dogudrama and entertraining, coming in the future from dogtv.com networks. >Please do not do this again, or I will contact your >provider: > lol… Go right ahead, nitwit.  I snipped your spam again to make it > easy for you.

– this is michael reporting live… http://dogtv.com with guest star Kwame Brown http://dogtv.com/kwame.jpg WORLD PREMIERE From homeless to World Famous Kwame Brown http://dogtv.com/kwame.rm Times they are a changing people, and so is the Muzzle. And what my colleague Jerry Howe and I have set in motion is an unopposable tidal wave of information, imagery and motion pictures which is going to affect every trainer, every vet, every behaviorist and every dime store dog "expert" in America and the world at large as we know it. Whether they like it or not. WELCOME TO THE NEW MUZZLE OF DOG TRAINING this is your ceo speaking…

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>It’s bad netiquette to edit other people’s messages.

  No it’s not.  Not when you’re just snipping errata.  It’s bad netiquette to quote 200 lines of message when you’re only adding two lines.   > Shame >on you.

  "Hello, Pot?  This is the kettle speaking…" Mike Graham                  | Fighting the good fight against porosity, <http://www.metalmangler.com>| try to correct the spelling of ‘weldor’.

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>It’s bad netiquette to edit other people’s messages. Shame >on you.

You are so clueless it’s mind boggling.  And for a spammer to lecture on netiquette and then re-post his entire spam in the same message… well, that’s just priceless.   >Please do not do this again, or I will contact your >provider:

lol… Go right ahead, nitwit.  I snipped your spam again to make it easy for you.  

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Hello Carey Gregory, It’s bad netiquette to edit other people’s messages. Shame on you. Message restored, followups set to appropriate groups. Please do not do this again, or I will contact your provider: Hello CAS, why yes, why yes I do. I’m in the process of redeveloping everything so all my videos are MOORE accessible But for the time being, here’s a few interesting samples Hello fans, over the past 3 years, I, as the ceo of this operation have been practicing and building and refining and releasing video clips steadily. At dogtv.com networks, we now have the technology and the skill to produce Broadcast TV quality material. Whether my finished product ends up on PBS, HBO or released as videos for sale on my websites: http://dogtv.com http://dogcd.com http://dogdvd.com http://changethemuzzle.com or one or Moore of the above, remains to be seen, but our studios are now equipped with state of the art all digital television production equipment and our goal, as always to provide the best dogumentary, dogudrama and dog entertraining content on the planet. And now, for a few samples from the past four years: "WHEN HOPE ATTACKS" This video is 10mb MPEG and it features: Hope attacking the stupid cameraman Hope attacking Chazz Hope attacking young boys The Stupid Cameraman laughing at Hope attacking young boys Callie stopping Hope from attacking Chazz Callie, Chazz and Hope Racing WORLD PREMIERE from dogtv.com networks "When Hope Attacks" direct link http://dogtv.com/hope_attacks.mpg "No Bones A Bite it"  multimedia tutorial covering  bones of contention  possession aggression  teaching the "watch" command  2:12  12 mb  MPEG1  http://dogdvd.com/NoBite.mpg "MIND IN A CAGE" A look at the phenomenon of putting man’s best friend in a cage. Is this *REALLY* good for dogs? A unique view from inside the cage of a puppy named Chazz in 1996 http://dogtv.com/cage.rm  (4mb RealVideo) (the opinions expressed in this video do not necessarily reflect the views of dogtv.com networks, it’s dogs, cats, employees or Venture Capital Funders) MICHAEL v MATTY Matthew Margolis comes from a school/generation of dog trainers who use fear to drum up business.  Perhaps this approach was taught by the leader of that school/generation, good ol’ Capn’ Haggerty?  Somebody taught Matty that in order to be a successful dog trainer, you have to do things like Call yourself the "National" Dog Training Center to sound important, and yeah, to make people really afraid of what will happen if they don’t hire you to train their dog. See Michael "dog game superstar" Patton confront "Uncle" Matty Margolis in a cross continental Television discussion about dangerous dogs and dog biting, while a ferocious and deadly pit bull puppy snoozes menacingly under the desk. WORLD PREMIERE Michael vs Matty http://dogtv.com/michael_matty.rm 10mb RealVideo CODY VS CALLIE Dogs are more likely to bite or forget their manners when there is competition for food. The "Bite This" methodology is all about seeking out situations like this, instead of avoiding them. Don’t avoid the issue (aggression) or it could come back to bite you No Bite With Competition http://dogtv.com/cody_callie.mpg  (1:50 | 10mb | MPEG) — this is a special investigative report from dogtv.com networks http://dogtv.com The Real Michael a special investigative report from dogtv.com networks dogtv.com caught up with the man who proclaimed in 1997 that he would single handedly Change the Muzzle of dog training. This never before seen footage from 1998 provides a revealing insight into the most controversial figure in the Dog Game. This guy recently (may 2001) appeared on a show with PBS personality "Uncle Matty" Margolis and said Matty was an "enemy of dogs" on live television. How could Uncle Matty be an enemy of dogs? Michael also says he’s going to do with no funding what pets.com couldn’t do with hundreds of millions. C’mon, Gimmie a Break! Is this Michael guy for real, or just another con artist trying to pull the wool over our eyes? You decide. http://dogtv.com/RealMichael.rm  (3.4mb RealVideo) (the opinions expressed in this video do not necessarily reflect the views of dogtv.com networks, it’s dogs, cats, employees or Venture Capital Funders) — this is a special investigative report from dogtv.com networks http://dogtv.com And, of course, there’s MOORE where that came from, including this clip starring the cameraman vs the dangerous chow HOWE to greet a "dangerous" dog http://dogtv.com/dangerous_chow.rm And, of course, Callie Stealing the Show at the 1998 APDT convention http://dogtv.com/CallieStealsShow2.rm and, of course, Michael’s famous jumpshot http://dogtv.com/michael_jumpshot.rm Look forward to HBO/PBS/MTV quality dogumentary dogudrama and entertraining, coming in the future from dogtv.com networks. this is michael reporting live… http://dogtv.com — this is michael reporting live… http://dogtv.com with guest star Kwame Brown http://dogtv.com/kwame.jpg WORLD PREMIERE From homeless to World Famous Kwame Brown http://dogtv.com/kwame.rm Times they are a changing people, and so is the Muzzle. And what my colleague Jerry Howe and I have set in motion is an unopposable tidal wave of information, imagery and motion pictures which is going to affect every trainer, every vet, every behaviorist and every dime store dog "expert" in America and the world at large as we know it. Whether they like it or not. WELCOME TO THE NEW MUZZLE OF DOG TRAINING this is your ceo speaking…

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> I agree with this.  Having so many dogs in our household, I have no dought > that dogs pick  up a lot of our own negatity.  So you have any morel links > to your videos?

Hello CAS, why yes, why yes I do. I’m in the process of redeveloping everything so all my videos are MOORE accessible But for the time being, here’s a few interesting samples Hello fans, over the past 3 years, I, as the ceo of this operation have been practicing and building and refining and releasing video clips steadily. At dogtv.com networks, we now have the technology and the skill to produce Broadcast TV quality material. Whether my finished product ends up on PBS, HBO or released as videos for sale on my websites: http://dogtv.com http://dogcd.com http://dogdvd.com http://changethemuzzle.com or one or Moore of the above, remains to be seen, but our studios are now equipped with state of the art all digital television production equipment and our goal, as always to provide the best dogumentary, dogudrama and dog entertraining content on the planet. And now, for a few samples from the past four years: "WHEN HOPE ATTACKS" This video is 10mb MPEG and it features: Hope attacking the stupid cameraman Hope attacking Chazz Hope attacking young boys The Stupid Cameraman laughing at Hope attacking young boys Callie stopping Hope from attacking Chazz Callie, Chazz and Hope Racing WORLD PREMIERE from dogtv.com networks "When Hope Attacks" direct link http://dogtv.com/hope_attacks.mpg "No Bones A Bite it"  multimedia tutorial covering  bones of contention  possession aggression  teaching the "watch" command  2:12  12 mb  MPEG1  http://dogdvd.com/NoBite.mpg "MIND IN A CAGE" A look at the phenomenon of putting man’s best friend in a cage. Is this *REALLY* good for dogs? A unique view from inside the cage of a puppy named Chazz in 1996 http://dogtv.com/cage.rm  (4mb RealVideo) (the opinions expressed in this video do not necessarily reflect the views of dogtv.com networks, it’s dogs, cats, employees or Venture Capital Funders) MICHAEL v MATTY Matthew Margolis comes from a school/generation of dog trainers who use fear to drum up business.  Perhaps this approach was taught by the leader of that school/generation, good ol’ Capn’ Haggerty?  Somebody taught Matty that in order to be a successful dog trainer, you have to do things like Call yourself the "National" Dog Training Center to sound important, and yeah, to make people really afraid of what will happen if they don’t hire you to train their dog. See Michael "dog game superstar" Patton confront "Uncle" Matty Margolis in a cross continental Television discussion about dangerous dogs and dog biting, while a ferocious and deadly pit bull puppy snoozes menacingly under the desk. WORLD PREMIERE Michael vs Matty http://dogtv.com/michael_matty.rm 10mb RealVideo CODY VS CALLIE Dogs are more likely to bite or forget their manners when there is competition for food. The "Bite This" methodology is all about seeking out situations like this, instead of avoiding them. Don’t avoid the issue (aggression) or it could come back to bite you No Bite With Competition http://dogtv.com/cody_callie.mpg  (1:50 | 10mb | MPEG) — this is a special investigative report from dogtv.com networks http://dogtv.com The Real Michael a special investigative report from dogtv.com networks dogtv.com caught up with the man who proclaimed in 1997 that he would single handedly Change the Muzzle of dog training. This never before seen footage from 1998 provides a revealing insight into the most controversial figure in the Dog Game. This guy recently (may 2001) appeared on a show with PBS personality "Uncle Matty" Margolis and said Matty was an "enemy of dogs" on live television. How could Uncle Matty be an enemy of dogs? Michael also says he’s going to do with no funding what pets.com couldn’t do with hundreds of millions. C’mon, Gimmie a Break! Is this Michael guy for real, or just another con artist trying to pull the wool over our eyes? You decide. http://dogtv.com/RealMichael.rm  (3.4mb RealVideo) (the opinions expressed in this video do not necessarily reflect the views of dogtv.com networks, it’s dogs, cats, employees or Venture Capital Funders) — this is a special investigative report from dogtv.com networks http://dogtv.com And, of course, there’s MOORE where that came from, including this clip starring the cameraman vs the dangerous chow HOWE to greet a "dangerous" dog http://dogtv.com/dangerous_chow.rm And, of course, Callie Stealing the Show at the 1998 APDT convention http://dogtv.com/CallieStealsShow2.rm and, of course, Michael’s famous jumpshot http://dogtv.com/michael_jumpshot.rm Look forward to HBO/PBS/MTV quality dogumentary dogudrama and entertraining, coming in the future from dogtv.com networks. this is michael reporting live… http://dogtv.com — this is michael reporting live… http://dogtv.com with guest star Kwame Brown http://dogtv.com/kwame.jpg WORLD PREMIERE From homeless to World Famous Kwame Brown http://dogtv.com/kwame.rm Times they are a changing people, and so is the Muzzle. And what my colleague Jerry Howe and I have set in motion is an unopposable tidal wave of information, imagery and motion pictures which is going to affect every trainer, every vet, every behaviorist and every dime store dog "expert" in America and the world at large as we know it. Whether they like it or not. WELCOME TO THE NEW MUZZLE OF DOG TRAINING this is your ceo speaking…

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mi perro es muy travieso y no se que hace – Hide quoted text — Show quoted text -> Isn’t that the dog that you FINALLY taught to heel using my methods a couple > months ago, Master Of Deception blankman??? Or is that the one you beat in > the face with your shepherd’s crook? > Know what? I lost the instruction for the knitted cover up for the > pronged spiked pinch choke collar so you can train your dog on > show grounds illegally. > Did you ever get that bill paid at the vets for your doggy day > care cause your dogs were out of control and you couldn’t > trust them in your HOWES unless you was there to hurt > them for being out of control? > Now get the heel outta here. Jerry. > Ok, so I’m being a bit silly tonight but I’m also sharing my pleasure in > the dogs that a part of my life.  Oso takes on the tasks that require the > highest in skill level but only the most modest levels of learning.  He is > a therapy dog and he is a very good one.  He didn’t need much help in > learning basic manners, and his instincts are excellent in deciding how to > approach each individual.  The shy and the fearful he approaches carefully > and quietly, head averted, mouth closed.  Dog lovers he approaches boldy, > with a full smile and a swagger and more than a little demanding of a > decent head rubbing instead of some pitful pet between the ears. > Oso is the dog that will pick out the lonliest person in the room and plop > his head in their lap as if he has adopted that person as his own special > project. > While he has not particular love of agility he does love doing tricks. > This came as somewhat as a surprise to me but I came to understand. He > never wants to disappoint. He never wants to be wrong.  All I needed to do > was to help him succeed with every attempt.  Give him small steps.  Oso is > 22 inches at the shoulder.  Starting with the very largest hula hoop I > taught him to jump through it.  And made the hoop smaller, and helped him > jump through it, and made it smaller yet.  The final hoop size was a mere > 13 inches in diameter.  It is his very favorite trick and will distract > him from everything, including another staring dog. > At eleven Oso is not, sadly, as healthy as Tanith.  But his current course > of medication seems to be working well.   The grey in his whiskers gets > lots of comment on our visits to convalescent homes, youth facilities and > senior centers.  But the relaxed smile on his face is still as sunny as > ever.  He makes almost everyone feel comfortable, even many who are afraid > of or dislike most other dogs.  In his career as therapy dog he was at > least three "miracles" those are interactions with a facility resident > that are so special that staff members gasp in surprise.  One I > particularly remember was a woman I approached and asked if she wanted to > pet the dog. She began to talk to Oso, telling him what a beautiful dog he > was, how she was going to take him for a walk and on and on and on.  On > impulse I handed her his leash and she tried to get out of her wheelchair. > I heard an exclamation behind me and noticed the recreation therapist > talking excitedly to our visit supervisor.  Afterward I got the story. > That woman had been in the facility for three months.  During that time > she had been unresponsive to any social interaction.  The only word they > had heard her utter was "yes, yes, yes" over and over. She never showed > interest in anything until Oso met her eyes. > Oso has forced me to learn so much about dogs. I learned that nature and > nuture are a balance and sometimes one just can’t overcome the other. I > learned to look at the dog and help it learn the way it learns best, not > just the way I was most used to.  I learned to really LOOK at the dog and > pay attention to what its body language was telling me.  I learned to > appricate what was different that what I would have chosen. > I’m just taking a small moment to really appreciate these dogs that share > their lives with me, and not just take them for granted. > Diane Blackman > http://www.dog-play.com

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> Are you familiar with foundation training?

Nope, never heard of it. Sounds like doubletalk. My methods cure all dog behavior problems without bustin our skulls trying to reinvent the wheel.. Enlighten me, I’m a quick study… – Hide quoted text — Show quoted text —— Original Message —– I just had a nice talk with the man who invented the "doggiedoright" device; he told me that if you tell him that I sent you he’ll knock $25 off the $99.95 price. If you know someone working at a shelter etc who wants to quieten the dogs in the neighborhood then this is an ideal present for them – and he will sell it at a discount.  He sounds like someone we all know who has no sense at all about money.  Nice, nice man. four locations at which the thing has worked, so I recommend it. Yap yap yap no more!  I have zero financial interest in this. George Nevyn writes: Jerry I cannot even begin to tell you the success Ive had with your training manual! My two mutts have gone from out-of-control psychos to obedient well behaved companions within a matter of weeks! AND My friends have seen the success and have asked me to work on their dogs! I was working with a 5 month old Ridgeback female today and she was being an angel after like an hour of working with her! it is AMAZING!! I pity those fools who take their dogs to classes where the "Trainers" abuse their dogs! (do they have a degree? A masters? a Phd? by the way? NO they are average joes off the street who think they know how to train dogs!) Once again, Jerry, you are a genius! NEVYN and my Dogs, Rizzo and Midget, My Grandparents dogs, Dusty and Snoopy, and my friends pup, Jazz. > I don’t now whether Peach is dead or alive. I do know she’s not here > with us. I really can’t blame anyone here for her loss. I’m the one > who ignored your advice. I did it because of how you write/wrote. I > was unwilling to accept the idea that my using a shock collar could have > any bearing on Peach not wanting to stay home. Up until I started using > it my main concern had been keeping my dogs in their own yard. Once I > started using the e-fence…well, then my concern became how to keep > them from running off for days on end. > I lost valuable training time becoming embroiled in the anti-shock > debate and the "Jerry sux" tirades. > I lost one dog but I have the bestest dog in the world now <g> A Wits > End Trained dog, one who is completely housetrained, doesn’t chew up > stuff, stays in the yard, and doesn’t bark all the time. IOW a great > companion and friend. > Thanks Jerry! > We just installed a PetSafe brand fence this Spring. > Two dogs, two collars We now have one dog and no > collars. > Peach and Zelda would run thru the fence, not want to > come back in the yard and would run for days. The > last time, Peach didn’t come back home. > I used the Wit’s End Training Manual to learn how to > train my dog. She is now border trained. A few > minutes each day reinforces her desire to stay in the > yard. > She no longer runs out into the road, I can stop her > from chasing cats and she no longer cringes when we > walk around the yard. > I can not say loud or long enough how much I hate the > e-fence and its collars. If you can’t get a regular fence > then you need to train your dog. I will never rely on an > electronic collar to keep my dog in our yard again. > The price was too high:-( > ~misty > I moved to Jacksonville, Florida about a year ago with my lovely wife < snip horror story > > Listen to this…My wife wrote one of the so called know it all of > pets. His response to the exact letter we initially wrote to > Jerry…"Get rid of the dog, bring her back" I’ll save this person > embarrassment by not saying the name. However, you know who you are > and I have this to say to you. Go pump gas or bus tables because you > sir, do not belong working with animals! > Jerry, after reading some of the threads in the news group, I can’t > for the life of me understand why this many people are so dang blind > or ignorant. > You just keep plugging away at what you do, because you my friend are > a life saver!!! > Anytime you need someone to speak about the results of your product, > you have my number. We would gladly talk to them. > Thank you very much for all your help. God bless you… > Anthony & Linda Testa > Jacksonville, Florida > Hey, do like me, and killfile Jerry. > He has millions of people aleady reading his posts and > watching him extract his soggy  foot out of his mouth! > Out of these MILLIONS, I’ve only seen 2 naive childs > come forward and actually believe in his training manual. > Robert Crim writes: > I assume that I and my wife are those two naive childs since > I freely admit to having read and, I hope, understood enough > of the manual and it’s counterparts by John Fisher and the > posts of Marilyn Rammell to believe and use it.  This naive > child would like to say thank you to both Jerry and Marilyn for > putting up with a constant barrage of really infantile crap at > the hands of supposedly adult dog lovers. > The other naive child (LSW) has to put up with the nagging > idea that if people like them had been posting earlier, maybe > we would not have had to hold the head of a really > magnificent animal in our arms while he was given the > needle and having to hug him and wait until he gasped > his last gasp. > To my mind, "naive" is believing you can terrorize a dog into > good behavior.  Naive is believing that people that hide > behind fake names are more honest than people that use > their real names.  Naive is thinking that dilettante dog > breeders and amateur "trainers" like Joey (lyingdogDUMMY, > j.h.) are the equal or better than those that have studied and > lived by their craft for decades. > "Stupid" is believing that people do not see kindergarten > level insults for what they are.   Really stupid is believing that > people like Jerry Howe and Marilyn Rammell are going to > just go away because you people act like fools.  Why do you > act like fools?  I really have no idea, and I don’t really care. > admit to buying and having success with his little black > box. > I think I’m going to get one myself for Father’s day and take > it down to the Animal Shelter for their use and testing.  You > would never believe the results, so you’ll never know. > Anyone by now that doesn’t see a scam man coming by > Jerry’s posts deserves to get what is sure to be coming to > him! LOL! > I don’t see a "scam man", so I guess I and Longsuffering > Wife and Rollei will just have to get what we deserve, eh? > As Joey (Dogman) says, "poor Rollei."…….right. >Terri > Yes it was, and that is sad. > Robert, Longsuffering Wife and Rollei (do I get to listen to the box > first?) Re: Barking Deterrants Needed… Hi. Please understand that I do not know Jerry and have spoken with him briefly once by email. I have no stake or interest in the success of his business. I simply want to thank him publicly for one of his tips, with regards to separation anxiety. I thought it seemed far fetched to praise a stuffed animal and then say good bye to my own dog, but I am usually a very open minded person, so I tried it. Well, lo and behold- the damn trick worked! I think Jerry has some intriguing techniques, and personally I think everyone who constantly criticizes him is not understanding his logic. Thank you Jerry! Hi, Jerry. I’m not sure that I’m a 100% convert, or that I agree with (or even understand) 100% of what you say in this manual … BUT … we had "come" down pat in a few reps and you could have knocked me down when I tried the exercise with "drop" and, after a few reps in different spots Darwin practically *threw* the rubber ball at my feet on command. He’s still not perfect (just a pup, after all, and he’s stubborn enough to want to push and test me a little bit more). For what it’s worth, I can see (as no doubt you have) how your usenet manner is likely to rankle a few folks, but that woman who advocates ear pulling and beating with sticks deserves everything she gets. Even if that was the only method that would work, I’d live with my dog not fetching rather than do any of that. (Darwin fetches enthusiastically and instinctively, tho’). Best, ben Sent: Friday, December 14, 2001 11:42 AM I just wanted to take a bit of time to tell you how much I appreciate your product and your training methods as well. When my little Chihuahua first arrived I was overwhelmed with her anxiety and her ability to just Bark endlessly. I received your product and at first I thought I was using it wrong, because my puppy just seemed to ignore it. But after a week or two, she began to calm down considerably as well as act more friendly towards people on the street. I can’t believe the difference I see in my little puppy. Your product is a life saver! Thanks again for everything. Sincerely, Regina Guerrero      Elaine McClung, President of Pet Rescue, Animal Commissioner      Brevard Co FL, writes:      Hi Jerry,

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Are you familiar with foundation training?

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Isn’t that the dog that you FINALLY taught to heel using my methods a couple months ago, Master Of Deception blankman??? Or is that the one you beat in the face with your shepherd’s crook? Know what? I lost the instruction for the knitted cover up for the pronged spiked pinch choke collar so you can train your dog on show grounds illegally. Did you ever get that bill paid at the vets for your doggy day care cause your dogs were out of control and you couldn’t trust them in your HOWES unless you was there to hurt them for being out of control? Now get the heel outta here. Jerry.

– Hide quoted text — Show quoted text -> Ok, so I’m being a bit silly tonight but I’m also sharing my pleasure in > the dogs that a part of my life.  Oso takes on the tasks that require the > highest in skill level but only the most modest levels of learning.  He is > a therapy dog and he is a very good one.  He didn’t need much help in > learning basic manners, and his instincts are excellent in deciding how to > approach each individual.  The shy and the fearful he approaches carefully > and quietly, head averted, mouth closed.  Dog lovers he approaches boldy, > with a full smile and a swagger and more than a little demanding of a > decent head rubbing instead of some pitful pet between the ears. > Oso is the dog that will pick out the lonliest person in the room and plop > his head in their lap as if he has adopted that person as his own special > project. > While he has not particular love of agility he does love doing tricks. > This came as somewhat as a surprise to me but I came to understand. He > never wants to disappoint. He never wants to be wrong.  All I needed to do > was to help him succeed with every attempt.  Give him small steps.  Oso is > 22 inches at the shoulder.  Starting with the very largest hula hoop I > taught him to jump through it.  And made the hoop smaller, and helped him > jump through it, and made it smaller yet.  The final hoop size was a mere > 13 inches in diameter.  It is his very favorite trick and will distract > him from everything, including another staring dog. > At eleven Oso is not, sadly, as healthy as Tanith.  But his current course > of medication seems to be working well.   The grey in his whiskers gets > lots of comment on our visits to convalescent homes, youth facilities and > senior centers.  But the relaxed smile on his face is still as sunny as > ever.  He makes almost everyone feel comfortable, even many who are afraid > of or dislike most other dogs.  In his career as therapy dog he was at > least three "miracles" those are interactions with a facility resident > that are so special that staff members gasp in surprise.  One I > particularly remember was a woman I approached and asked if she wanted to > pet the dog. She began to talk to Oso, telling him what a beautiful dog he > was, how she was going to take him for a walk and on and on and on.  On > impulse I handed her his leash and she tried to get out of her wheelchair. > I heard an exclamation behind me and noticed the recreation therapist > talking excitedly to our visit supervisor.  Afterward I got the story. > That woman had been in the facility for three months.  During that time > she had been unresponsive to any social interaction.  The only word they > had heard her utter was "yes, yes, yes" over and over. She never showed > interest in anything until Oso met her eyes. > Oso has forced me to learn so much about dogs. I learned that nature and > nuture are a balance and sometimes one just can’t overcome the other. I > learned to look at the dog and help it learn the way it learns best, not > just the way I was most used to.  I learned to really LOOK at the dog and > pay attention to what its body language was telling me.  I learned to > appricate what was different that what I would have chosen. > I’m just taking a small moment to really appreciate these dogs that share > their lives with me, and not just take them for granted. > Diane Blackman > http://www.dog-play.com

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Thank you for snipping your post and for not top posting. What’s not true? – Hide quoted text — Show quoted text -> The dog training industry is about to come to a grinding halt… > > Watch your crossposting!! > > And your TOP POSTING!!! > > And don’t talk to my colleague Jerry Howe like that. He’s > > the hardest working Man in the Dog Game. > > — > > this is michael > > reporting live… > > http://dogtv.com > > with guest star > > Kwame Brown > > http://dogtv.com/kwame.jpg > > WORLD PREMIERE > > From homeless to World Famous > > Kwame Brown > > http://dogtv.com/kwame.rm > > Times they are a changing people, and so is the Muzzle. And > > what my colleague Jerry Howe and I have set in motion is an > > unopposable tidal wave of information, imagery and motion > > pictures which is going to affect every trainer, every vet, > > every behaviorist and every dime store dog "expert" in > > America and the world at large as we know it. Whether they > > like it or not. > > WELCOME TO THE NEW MUZZLE OF DOG TRAINING > > this is your ceo speaking… > > > Please keep this shit out of rec.pets.cats.misc you stupid asshole! > > > > He’s intelligent. He’s killfiled Jerry long ago… genius that he is. > > > > He’s already told me all I got to know about him from his training > > > > discussions with leah. He’s a nitwit…but I don’t know if he’s an > > > > abuser. Yet… That’s HOWE COME many of our dog lovers won’t > > > > talk to Jerry, cause they can’t answer my questions without > > > > proving they NEED to HURT dogs to train them. Like tara.green2, > > > > for example. Ask her about her LEAVE IT command, and HOWE > > > > that’ll poison proof a dog? > > > > Then ask professor SCRUFF SHAKE and scream NO into > > > > its face for 5 seconds dermer HOWE he reconciles that > > > > with allelomimetic behavior? > > > > Then ask him to what does he attribute his dog’s OCD masturbation > > > > habit to, the anxiety from punishing of his behaviors (and not the > dog) > > > > or is it a case of allelomimetic behavior? Like when professora "chin > > > > CHUCK absolutely doesn’t mean SLAP" gingold got her teeth bashed > > > > down her goddamned throat when her dog discovered that she’d been > > > > jerking and choking him and pretending he did it to himself by > accident. > > > > Now for the peanut gallery, just read "interested in hearing" and > > > > ask janet boss which of the two shock control systems that > > > > caused the little dog to become vicious to strangers didn’t > > > > work? > > > > Do you suppose liea’s dog Cubbe will have another post > > > > traumatic stress flashback and snap at another child she > > > > plays with and walks into her SHOCK ZONE? > > > > All dog behavior problems are caused by mishandling. > > > > Some "medical" problems are stress related disorders > > > > directly attributable to so called traditional training. > > > > roo’s dogs are aggressive and won’t come when called > > > > and she and ed w of pet loss dot CON told Misty my > > > > methods are dangerous and ineffective and got her > > > > dog DEAD for her. > > > > Our dog lovers turned on their former most favorite poster > > > > Robert Crim when after KILLING his Wonder Dog Fritz, > > > > he studied my methods to train my student Rollie. Robert > > > > and his Mrs. have NEVER needed to physically scold > > > > or punish or choke their Wits’ End Trained Dog. > > > > My students get 100% total non force control in days. > > > > Nevyn came here with 2 pbx bitches who were hurtin > > > > each other and fighting other dogs. Took him 24 days > > > > flat to totally turn his dogs around using NOTHIN BUT > > > > PRAISE and DISTRACTION. > > > > My methods work like MAGICK and all my students > > > > achieve any level of proficiency in any utility they > > > > desire. > > > > Everything our dog lovers tell us about training dogs > > > > is dangerous to humans and dogs, and the DEAD > > > > DOGS our expert have to show for their efforts > > > > are prima fascia evidence. My students do not > > > > hurt and kill their dogs.There is no way to give > > > > an effective correction using fear force or repression > > > > that doesn’t trigger opposition and animosity. > > > > Our dog lovers do not hurt dogs to train them. They > > > > hurt dog to satisfy their emotional needs to feel > > > > powerful, to compensate for their defective egos, > > > > inferiority complexes, and weak minds. > > > > —– Original Message —– > > > > I just had a nice talk with the man who invented the "doggiedoright" > > > device; > > > > he told me that if you tell him that I sent you he’ll knock $25 off > the > > > > $99.95 price. > > > > If you know someone working at a shelter etc who wants to quieten the > dogs > > > > in the neighborhood then this is an ideal present for them – and he > will > > > > sell > > > > it at a discount.  He sounds like someone we all know who has no sense > > > > at all about money.  Nice, nice man. > > > > four locations at which the thing has worked, so I recommend it. > > > > Yap yap yap no more!  I have zero financial interest in this. > > > > George > > > > > We just installed a PetSafe brand fence this Spring. > > > > > Two dogs, two collars We now have one dog and no > > > > > collars. > > > > > Peach and Zelda would run thru the fence, not want to > > > > > come back in the yard and would run for days. The > > > > > last time, Peach didn’t come back home. > > > > > I used the Wit’s End Training Manual to learn how to > > > > > train my dog. She is now border trained. A few > > > > > minutes each day reinforces her desire to stay in the > > > > > yard. > > > > > She no longer runs out into the road, I can stop her > > > > > from chasing cats and she no longer cringes when we > > > > > walk around the yard. > > > > > I can not say loud or long enough how much I hate the > > > > > e-fence and its collars. If you can’t get a regular fence > > > > > then you need to train your dog. I will never rely on an > > > > > electronic collar to keep my dog in our yard again. > > > > > The price was too high:-( > > > > > ~misty > > > > > I don’t now whether Peach is dead or alive. I do know she’s not here > > > > > with us. I really can’t blame anyone here for her loss. I’m the one > > > > > who ignored your advice. I did it because of how you write/wrote. I > > > > > was unwilling to accept the idea that my using a shock collar could > have > > > > > any bearing on Peach not wanting to stay home. Up until I started > using > > > > > it my main concern had been keeping my dogs in their own yard. Once > I > > > > > started using the e-fence…well, then my concern became how to keep > > > > > them from running off for days on end. > > > > > I lost valuable training time becoming embroiled in the anti-shock > > > > > debate and the "Jerry sux" tirades. > > > > > I lost one dog but I have the bestest dog in the world now <g> A > Wits > > > > > End Trained dog, one who is completely housetrained, doesn’t chew up > > > > > stuff, stays in the yard, and doesn’t bark all the time. IOW a great > > > > > companion and friend. > > > > > Thanks Jerry! > > > > > > Hey, do like me, and killfile Jerry. > > > > > > He has millions of people aleady reading his posts and > > > > > > watching him extract his soggy  foot out of his mouth! > > > > > > Out of these MILLIONS, I’ve only seen 2 naive childs > > > > > > come forward and actually believe in his training manual. > > > > > Robert Crim writes: > > > > > I assume that I and my wife are those two naive childs since > > > > > I freely admit to having read and, I hope, understood enough > > > > > of the manual and it’s counterparts by John Fisher and the > > > > > posts of Marilyn Rammell to believe and use it.  This naive > > > > > child would like to say thank you to both Jerry and Marilyn for > > > > > putting up with a constant barrage of really infantile crap at > > > > > the hands of supposedly adult dog lovers. > > > > > The other naive child (LSW) has to put up with the nagging > > > > > idea that if people like them had been posting earlier, maybe > > > > > we would not have had to hold the head of a really > > > > > magnificent animal in our arms while he was given the > > > > > needle and having to hug him and wait until he gasped > > > > > his last gasp. > > > > > To my mind, "naive" is believing you can terrorize a dog into > > > > > good behavior.

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– Hide quoted text — Show quoted text -> The dog training industry is about to come to a grinding halt… > > Watch your crossposting!! > > And your TOP POSTING!!! > > And don’t talk to my colleague Jerry Howe like that. He’s > > the hardest working Man in the Dog Game. > > — > > this is michael > > reporting live… > > http://dogtv.com > > with guest star > > Kwame Brown > > http://dogtv.com/kwame.jpg > > WORLD PREMIERE > > From homeless to World Famous > > Kwame Brown > > http://dogtv.com/kwame.rm > > Times they are a changing people, and so is the Muzzle. And > > what my colleague Jerry Howe and I have set in motion is an > > unopposable tidal wave of information, imagery and motion > > pictures which is going to affect every trainer, every vet, every > > behaviorist and every dime store dog "expert" in America and the > > world at large as we know it. Whether they like it or not. > > WELCOME TO THE NEW MUZZLE OF DOG TRAINING > > this is your ceo speaking… > > > Please keep this shit out of rec.pets.cats.misc you stupid > > > > He’s intelligent. He’s killfiled Jerry long ago… genius that > > > > he is. He’s already told me all I got to know about him from his > > > > training discussions with leah. He’s a nitwit…but I don’t know > > > > if he’s an abuser. Yet… That’s HOWE COME many of our dog > > > > lovers won’t talk to Jerry, cause they can’t answer my questions > > > > without proving they NEED to HURT dogs to train them. Like > > > > tara.green2, for example. Ask her about her LEAVE IT command, > > > > and HOWE that’ll poison proof a dog? > > > > Then ask professor SCRUFF SHAKE and scream NO into > > > > its face for 5 seconds dermer HOWE he reconciles that > > > > with allelomimetic behavior? > > > > Then ask him to what does he attribute his dog’s OCD > > > > masturbation habit to, the anxiety from punishing of his > > > > behaviors (and not the dog) or is it a case of allelomimetic > > > > behavior? Like when professora "chin CHUCK absolutely doesn’t > > > > mean SLAP" gingold got her teeth bashed down her goddamned > > > > throat when her dog discovered that she’d been jerking and > > > > choking him and pretending he did it to himself by accident. > > > > Now for the peanut gallery, just read "interested in hearing" > > > > and ask janet boss which of the two shock control systems that > > > > caused the little dog to become vicious to strangers didn’t > > > > work? > > > > Do you suppose liea’s dog Cubbe will have another post > > > > traumatic stress flashback and snap at another child she > > > > plays with and walks into her SHOCK ZONE? > > > > All dog behavior problems are caused by mishandling. > > > > Some "medical" problems are stress related disorders > > > > directly attributable to so called traditional training. > > > > roo’s dogs are aggressive and won’t come when called > > > > and she and ed w of pet loss dot CON told Misty my > > > > methods are dangerous and ineffective and got her > > > > dog DEAD for her. > > > > Our dog lovers turned on their former most favorite poster > > > > Robert Crim when after KILLING his Wonder Dog Fritz, he studied > > > > my methods to train my student Rollie. Robert and his Mrs. have > > > > NEVER needed to physically scold or punish or choke their Wits’ > > > > End Trained Dog. > > > > My students get 100% total non force control in days. > > > > Nevyn came here with 2 pbx bitches who were hurtin > > > > each other and fighting other dogs. Took him 24 days > > > > flat to totally turn his dogs around using NOTHIN BUT > > > > PRAISE and DISTRACTION. > > > > My methods work like MAGICK and all my students > > > > achieve any level of proficiency in any utility they desire. > > > > Everything our dog lovers tell us about training dogs > > > > is dangerous to humans and dogs, and the DEAD > > > > DOGS our expert have to show for their efforts > > > > are prima fascia evidence. My students do not > > > > hurt and kill their dogs.There is no way to give > > > > an effective correction using fear force or repression > > > > that doesn’t trigger opposition and animosity. > > > > Our dog lovers do not hurt dogs to train them. They > > > > hurt dog to satisfy their emotional needs to feel > > > > powerful, to compensate for their defective egos, inferiority > > > > complexes, and weak minds. > > > > —– Original Message —– > > > > I just had a nice talk with the man who invented the > > > > "doggiedoright" device; he told me that if you tell him that I > > > > sent you he’ll knock $25 off the $99.95 price. > > > > If you know someone working at a shelter etc who wants to > > > > quieten the dogs in the neighborhood then this is an ideal > > > > present for them – and he will sell it at a discount.  He sounds > > > > like someone we all know who has no sense at all about money. > > > > Nice, nice man. > > > > now have four locations at which the thing has worked, so I > > > > recommend it. > > > > Yap yap yap no more!  I have zero financial interest in this. > > > > George > > > > > We just installed a PetSafe brand fence this Spring. > > > > > Two dogs, two collars We now have one dog and no collars. > > > > > Peach and Zelda would run thru the fence, not want to > > > > > come back in the yard and would run for days. The last time, > > > > > Peach didn’t come back home. > > > > > I used the Wit’s End Training Manual to learn how to > > > > > train my dog. She is now border trained. A few > > > > > minutes each day reinforces her desire to stay in the yard. > > > > > She no longer runs out into the road, I can stop her > > > > > from chasing cats and she no longer cringes when we walk > > > > > around the yard. > > > > > I can not say loud or long enough how much I hate the > > > > > e-fence and its collars. If you can’t get a regular fence > > > > > then you need to train your dog. I will never rely on an > > > > > electronic collar to keep my dog in our yard again. > > > > > The price was too high:-( ~misty > > > > > I don’t now whether Peach is dead or alive. I do know she’s > > > > > not here with us. I really can’t blame anyone here for her > > > > > loss. I’m the one who ignored your advice. I did it because of > > > > > how you write/wrote. I was unwilling to accept the idea that > > > > > my using a shock collar could have any bearing on Peach not > > > > > wanting to stay home. Up until I started using it my main > > > > > concern had been keeping my dogs in their own yard. Once I > > > > > started using the e-fence…well, then my concern became how > > > > > to keep them from running off for days on end. > > > > > I lost valuable training time becoming embroiled in the > > > > > anti-shock debate and the "Jerry sux" tirades. > > > > > I lost one dog but I have the bestest dog in the world now <g> > > > > > A Wits End Trained dog, one who is completely housetrained, > > > > > doesn’t chew up stuff, stays in the yard, and doesn’t bark all > > > > > the time. IOW a great companion and friend. > > > > > Thanks Jerry! > > > > > > Hey, do like me, and killfile Jerry. > > > > > > He has millions of people aleady reading his posts and > > > > > > watching him extract his soggy  foot out of his mouth! > > > > > > Out of these MILLIONS, I’ve only seen 2 naive childs come > > > > > > forward and actually believe in his training manual. > > > > > Robert Crim writes: > > > > > I assume that I and my wife are those two naive childs since > > > > > I freely admit to having read and, I hope, understood enough > > > > > of the manual and it’s counterparts by John Fisher and the > > > > > posts of Marilyn Rammell to believe and use it.  This naive > > > > > child would like to say thank you to both Jerry and Marilyn > > > > > for putting up with a constant barrage of really infantile > > > > > crap at the hands of supposedly adult dog lovers. > > > > > The other naive child (LSW) has to put up with the nagging > > > > > idea that if people like them had been posting earlier, maybe > > > > > we would not have had to hold the head of a really > > > > > magnificent animal in our arms while he was given the > > > > > needle and having to hug him and wait until he gasped his last > > > > > gasp. > > > > > To my mind, "naive" is believing you can terrorize a dog into > > > > > good behavior.  Naive is believing that people that hide > > > > > behind fake names are more honest than people that use > > > > > their real names.  Naive is thinking that dilettante dog > > > > > breeders and amateur "trainers" like Joey (lyingdogDUMMY,

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Not true, eddie w of pet loss dot CON? Tell us about koehler being the greatest trainer in the world, and my students and customers being all liars sock puppets and paid shills for Jerry and animal fuckers? > The dog training industry is about to come to a grinding halt… > > Watch your crossposting!! > > And your TOP POSTING!!! > > And don’t talk to my colleague Jerry Howe like that. He’s > > the hardest working Man in the Dog Game. > > this is michael > > reporting live… > > http://dogtv.com > not true

You callin these good people liars, mr smegma pedophile NAMBLA?      Elaine McClung, President of Pet Rescue, Animal Commissioner      Brevard Co FL, writes:      Hi Jerry,      I received email from Mark Shaw on 10/6 which I just read today.      Sorry I didn’t have time to get to it sooner. We have had a lot      going on in our area concerning animals. We formed a new Task      Force to address spay/neuter, pet overpopulation and animal      abuse. I needed to do a lot of research before the first meeting and      time was just not available for anything else.      Anyway the letter went on to say that we are in collusion, I tried      to defraud him, and have sent none of the materials that he has      asked for although he has yet to furnish the P. O. Box number that      he wanted them sent to in the first place. He goes on to state that      I am no longer eligible for the "fictions reward." All of this is in      answer to postings that prove I was "sharing" his email with you      which in his opinion was a breach of good manners. His email only      had terms and conditions of the reward which I would consider      "public information."      Be that as it may, I would like to state that you had my permission      to post any email I have sent you regarding DDR including this      email.      I’m very sorry that you have to put up with this type of situation      from someone that obviously never intended to make good on his      reward offer in the first place.      I had a call from a friend of mine with a very aggressive cat. I      have loaned her my DDR for a few weeks to see if it will calm JR      down. I will let you know the results. She goes to the same holistic      vet that I go to and he is also interested.      In case Mark does post to the list again I would like to say that I      do very much believe that DDR will help JR as I know it has helped      my dogs and cats. I have entirely too much to do, to worry about his      opinions or reward.      The only reason I was willing to apply for the reward was on your      behalf as I do think your product is a valuable tool in helping with      aggression and other behavior problems.      I am in Feral Cat Network (we spay and neuter approximately 100      feral cats a month), I am also a member of a local AKC dog      obedience club, member of a local AKC agility club, president of      Pet Rescue, board member of the Alliance for Care and Welfare of      Animals (on the board are: county commissioner, vet. rep., rep. from      AKC dog club, CFA cat club, assistant County manager, head of      animal control, director of two different shelters, etc.) and Space      Coast Feline Network http://www.spacecoastfelinenetwork.com      I listed these not to be on an ego trip but to let Mark know that I      am involved with animals and have very little time to play games      with him also I would not recommend your product if I did not      believe in it.      Please feel free to post this email as it has no copyright on it as      did Mark Shaw’s last email to me.      Take care Jerry and don’t let the Mark’s of the world get you down.      Elaine      Thank you, Elaine. I have been trying to educate the mark’s of this      world, with some occasional successes. I guess that’s variable      reinforcement?      Yours, Jerry. – Hide quoted text — Show quoted text —— Original Message —– I just had a nice talk with the man who invented the "doggiedoright" device; he told me that if you tell him that I sent you he’ll knock $25 off the $99.95 price. If you know someone working at a shelter etc who wants to quieten the dogs in the neighborhood then this is an ideal present for them – and he will sell it at a discount.  He sounds like someone we all know who has no sense at all about money.  Nice, nice man. four locations at which the thing has worked, so I recommend it. Yap yap yap no more!  I have zero financial interest in this. George      Hi Jerry,      I wrote to you a week or so ago about the unit. I have since      borrowed one from Elaine Mc Clung. She speaks very      highly of it.      So, I brought it home and plugged it in. Of course, I      wanted it to come on, all the barking stop, and have every      one immediately fall to the floor in little comas for a few      hours. Well, after I got all 27 of them to be quiet, still no      comas. But, it had only been 36 seconds at that point. So,      I gave it a little longer. Still no comas. Was this really      going to work? I mean, I do have an unusual situation.      So, by bedtime, a few hours later. I started to notice just      how many were asleep already – with their feet in the air! I      started to have hope. During the night, all was calm. In the      morning when I got up, only a few of them WALKED quietly      to the door to go out. Not the usual evacuation.      I had the unit from Sunday afternoon until Tuesday      Morning. I was certainly pleased with the night effect. I      wasn’t so sure about the amount of the day time effect.      Until I took it back. Within half an hour, the monsters had      resurfaced. I wondered if I could break into Elaine’s house      and if she would notice      I know another person who does dog rescue. She rescues      Beagles. She has 23 in an 1100 square foot house. God      bless her. She is interested to see if it will work for her. I      also spoke to someone else who does cat rescue, and      she is interested. The cat rescue people have monthly      meetings. Maybe Elaine could give a word or two about it.      So, if there are any words of advice you can send my way      about the best way to use it in my case, I would appreciate      it. I of course wanted to keep it on the highest setting, but      don’t know if that is advised, even with my situation of so      many new ones coming and (too few) going.      Also, how I and others can go about getting one, etc. I      think the vets should have the info in their offices. It must      help dogs with separation anxiety. My vet practices      homeopathic as well as traditional medicine, so I      would think it would be right up her alley.      Thank you.      Desiree M Webber      A New Leash On Life                                         BIOSOUND Scientific                            Doggy Do Right (And Kitty Will And A                    Rooster Did And A Cockatoo Or Two Did Too)          The Little Black Box That Cures Animal’s Annoying Habits      Thank you for your recent inquiry regarding my Doggy Do Right      (And Kitty Will And A Rooster Did And A Cockatoo Or Two Did      Too) device. We had been out of stock but are now shipping      immediately. 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- Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – > The dog training industry is about to come to a grinding halt… > Watch your crossposting!! > And your TOP POSTING!!! > And don’t talk to my colleague Jerry Howe like that. He’s > the hardest working Man in the Dog Game. > — > this is michael > reporting live… > http://dogtv.com > with guest star > Kwame Brown > http://dogtv.com/kwame.jpg > WORLD PREMIERE > From homeless to World Famous > Kwame Brown > http://dogtv.com/kwame.rm > Times they are a changing people, and so is the Muzzle. And > what my colleague Jerry Howe and I have set in motion is an > unopposable tidal wave of information, imagery and motion > pictures which is going to affect every trainer, every vet, > every behaviorist and every dime store dog "expert" in > America and the world at large as we know it. Whether they > like it or not. > WELCOME TO THE NEW MUZZLE OF DOG TRAINING > this is your ceo speaking… > > Please keep this shit out of rec.pets.cats.misc you stupid asshole! > > > He’s intelligent. He’s killfiled Jerry long ago… genius that he is. > > > He’s already told me all I got to know about him from his training > > > discussions with leah. He’s a nitwit…but I don’t know if he’s an > > > abuser. Yet… That’s HOWE COME many of our dog lovers won’t > > > talk to Jerry, cause they can’t answer my questions without > > > proving they NEED to HURT dogs to train them. Like tara.green2, > > > for example. Ask her about her LEAVE IT command, and HOWE > > > that’ll poison proof a dog? > > > Then ask professor SCRUFF SHAKE and scream NO into > > > its face for 5 seconds dermer HOWE he reconciles that > > > with allelomimetic behavior? > > > Then ask him to what does he attribute his dog’s OCD masturbation > > > habit to, the anxiety from punishing of his behaviors (and not the > dog) > > > or is it a case of allelomimetic behavior? Like when professora "chin > > > CHUCK absolutely doesn’t mean SLAP" gingold got her teeth bashed > > > down her goddamned throat when her dog discovered that she’d been > > > jerking and choking him and pretending he did it to himself by > accident. > > > Now for the peanut gallery, just read "interested in hearing" and > > > ask janet boss which of the two shock control systems that > > > caused the little dog to become vicious to strangers didn’t > > > work? > > > Do you suppose liea’s dog Cubbe will have another post > > > traumatic stress flashback and snap at another child she > > > plays with and walks into her SHOCK ZONE? > > > All dog behavior problems are caused by mishandling. > > > Some "medical" problems are stress related disorders > > > directly attributable to so called traditional training. > > > roo’s dogs are aggressive and won’t come when called > > > and she and ed w of pet loss dot CON told Misty my > > > methods are dangerous and ineffective and got her > > > dog DEAD for her. > > > Our dog lovers turned on their former most favorite poster > > > Robert Crim when after KILLING his Wonder Dog Fritz, > > > he studied my methods to train my student Rollie. Robert > > > and his Mrs. have NEVER needed to physically scold > > > or punish or choke their Wits’ End Trained Dog. > > > My students get 100% total non force control in days. > > > Nevyn came here with 2 pbx bitches who were hurtin > > > each other and fighting other dogs. Took him 24 days > > > flat to totally turn his dogs around using NOTHIN BUT > > > PRAISE and DISTRACTION. > > > My methods work like MAGICK and all my students > > > achieve any level of proficiency in any utility they > > > desire. > > > Everything our dog lovers tell us about training dogs > > > is dangerous to humans and dogs, and the DEAD > > > DOGS our expert have to show for their efforts > > > are prima fascia evidence. My students do not > > > hurt and kill their dogs.There is no way to give > > > an effective correction using fear force or repression > > > that doesn’t trigger opposition and animosity. > > > Our dog lovers do not hurt dogs to train them. They > > > hurt dog to satisfy their emotional needs to feel > > > powerful, to compensate for their defective egos, > > > inferiority complexes, and weak minds. > > > —– Original Message —– > > > I just had a nice talk with the man who invented the "doggiedoright" > > device; > > > he told me that if you tell him that I sent you he’ll knock $25 off > the > > > $99.95 price. > > > If you know someone working at a shelter etc who wants to quieten the > dogs > > > in the neighborhood then this is an ideal present for them – and he > will > > > sell > > > it at a discount.  He sounds like someone we all know who has no sense > > > at all about money.  Nice, nice man. > > > four locations at which the thing has worked, so I recommend it. > > > Yap yap yap no more!  I have zero financial interest in this. > > > George > > > > We just installed a PetSafe brand fence this Spring. > > > > Two dogs, two collars We now have one dog and no > > > > collars. > > > > Peach and Zelda would run thru the fence, not want to > > > > come back in the yard and would run for days. The > > > > last time, Peach didn’t come back home. > > > > I used the Wit’s End Training Manual to learn how to > > > > train my dog. She is now border trained. A few > > > > minutes each day reinforces her desire to stay in the > > > > yard. > > > > She no longer runs out into the road, I can stop her > > > > from chasing cats and she no longer cringes when we > > > > walk around the yard. > > > > I can not say loud or long enough how much I hate the > > > > e-fence and its collars. If you can’t get a regular fence > > > > then you need to train your dog. I will never rely on an > > > > electronic collar to keep my dog in our yard again. > > > > The price was too high:-( > > > > ~misty > > > > I don’t now whether Peach is dead or alive. I do know she’s not here > > > > with us. I really can’t blame anyone here for her loss. I’m the one > > > > who ignored your advice. I did it because of how you write/wrote. I > > > > was unwilling to accept the idea that my using a shock collar could > have > > > > any bearing on Peach not wanting to stay home. Up until I started > using > > > > it my main concern had been keeping my dogs in their own yard. Once > I > > > > started using the e-fence…well, then my concern became how to keep > > > > them from running off for days on end. > > > > I lost valuable training time becoming embroiled in the anti-shock > > > > debate and the "Jerry sux" tirades. > > > > I lost one dog but I have the bestest dog in the world now <g> A > Wits > > > > End Trained dog, one who is completely housetrained, doesn’t chew up > > > > stuff, stays in the yard, and doesn’t bark all the time. IOW a great > > > > companion and friend. > > > > Thanks Jerry! > > > > > Hey, do like me, and killfile Jerry. > > > > > He has millions of people aleady reading his posts and > > > > > watching him extract his soggy  foot out of his mouth! > > > > > Out of these MILLIONS, I’ve only seen 2 naive childs > > > > > come forward and actually believe in his training manual. > > > > Robert Crim writes: > > > > I assume that I and my wife are those two naive childs since > > > > I freely admit to having read and, I hope, understood enough > > > > of the manual and it’s counterparts by John Fisher and the > > > > posts of Marilyn Rammell to believe and use it.  This naive > > > > child would like to say thank you to both Jerry and Marilyn for > > > > putting up with a constant barrage of really infantile crap at > > > > the hands of supposedly adult dog lovers. > > > > The other naive child (LSW) has to put up with the nagging > > > > idea that if people like them had been posting earlier, maybe > > > > we would not have had to hold the head of a really > > > > magnificent animal in our arms while he was given the > > > > needle and having to hug him and wait until he gasped > > > > his last gasp. > > > > To my mind, "naive" is believing you can terrorize a dog into > > > > good behavior.  Naive is believing that people that hide > > > > behind fake names are more honest than people that use > > > > their real names.  Naive is thinking that dilettante dog > > > > breeders and amateur "trainers" like Joey (lyingdogDUMMY, > > > > j.h.) are the equal or better than those that have studied and > > > > lived by their craft for decades. > > > > "Stupid" is believing that people do not see kindergarten > > > > level insults for what they are.   Really stupid is believing that > > > > people like Jerry Howe and

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– Hide quoted text — Show quoted text -> Watch your crossposting!! > And your TOP POSTING!!! > And don’t talk to my colleague Jerry Howe like that. He’s > the hardest working Man in the Dog Game. > — > this is michael > reporting live… > http://dogtv.com > with guest star > Kwame Brown > http://dogtv.com/kwame.jpg > WORLD PREMIERE > From homeless to World Famous > Kwame Brown > http://dogtv.com/kwame.rm > Times they are a changing people, and so is the Muzzle. And > what my colleague Jerry Howe and I have set in motion is an > unopposable tidal wave of information, imagery and motion > pictures which is going to affect every trainer, every vet, > every behaviorist and every dime store dog "expert" in > America and the world at large as we know it. Whether they > like it or not. > WELCOME TO THE NEW MUZZLE OF DOG TRAINING > this is your ceo speaking… > Please keep this shit out of rec.pets.cats.misc you stupid asshole! > > He’s intelligent. He’s killfiled Jerry long ago… genius that he is. > > He’s already told me all I got to know about him from his training > > discussions with leah. He’s a nitwit…but I don’t know if he’s an > > abuser. Yet… That’s HOWE COME many of our dog lovers won’t > > talk to Jerry, cause they can’t answer my questions without > > proving they NEED to HURT dogs to train them. Like tara.green2, > > for example. Ask her about her LEAVE IT command, and HOWE > > that’ll poison proof a dog? > > Then ask professor SCRUFF SHAKE and scream NO into > > its face for 5 seconds dermer HOWE he reconciles that > > with allelomimetic behavior? > > Then ask him to what does he attribute his dog’s OCD masturbation > > habit to, the anxiety from punishing of his behaviors (and not the dog) > > or is it a case of allelomimetic behavior? Like when professora "chin > > CHUCK absolutely doesn’t mean SLAP" gingold got her teeth bashed > > down her goddamned throat when her dog discovered that she’d been > > jerking and choking him and pretending he did it to himself by accident. > > Now for the peanut gallery, just read "interested in hearing" and > > ask janet boss which of the two shock control systems that > > caused the little dog to become vicious to strangers didn’t > > work? > > Do you suppose liea’s dog Cubbe will have another post > > traumatic stress flashback and snap at another child she > > plays with and walks into her SHOCK ZONE? > > All dog behavior problems are caused by mishandling. > > Some "medical" problems are stress related disorders > > directly attributable to so called traditional training. > > roo’s dogs are aggressive and won’t come when called > > and she and ed w of pet loss dot CON told Misty my > > methods are dangerous and ineffective and got her > > dog DEAD for her. > > Our dog lovers turned on their former most favorite poster > > Robert Crim when after KILLING his Wonder Dog Fritz, > > he studied my methods to train my student Rollie. Robert > > and his Mrs. have NEVER needed to physically scold > > or punish or choke their Wits’ End Trained Dog. > > My students get 100% total non force control in days. > > Nevyn came here with 2 pbx bitches who were hurtin > > each other and fighting other dogs. Took him 24 days > > flat to totally turn his dogs around using NOTHIN BUT > > PRAISE and DISTRACTION. > > My methods work like MAGICK and all my students > > achieve any level of proficiency in any utility they > > desire. > > Everything our dog lovers tell us about training dogs > > is dangerous to humans and dogs, and the DEAD > > DOGS our expert have to show for their efforts > > are prima fascia evidence. My students do not > > hurt and kill their dogs.There is no way to give > > an effective correction using fear force or repression > > that doesn’t trigger opposition and animosity. > > Our dog lovers do not hurt dogs to train them. They > > hurt dog to satisfy their emotional needs to feel > > powerful, to compensate for their defective egos, > > inferiority complexes, and weak minds. > > —– Original Message —– > > I just had a nice talk with the man who invented the "doggiedoright" > device; > > he told me that if you tell him that I sent you he’ll knock $25 off the > > $99.95 price. > > If you know someone working at a shelter etc who wants to quieten the dogs > > in the neighborhood then this is an ideal present for them – and he will > > sell > > it at a discount.  He sounds like someone we all know who has no sense > > at all about money.  Nice, nice man. > > four locations at which the thing has worked, so I recommend it. > > Yap yap yap no more!  I have zero financial interest in this. > > George > > > We just installed a PetSafe brand fence this Spring. > > > Two dogs, two collars We now have one dog and no > > > collars. > > > Peach and Zelda would run thru the fence, not want to > > > come back in the yard and would run for days. The > > > last time, Peach didn’t come back home. > > > I used the Wit’s End Training Manual to learn how to > > > train my dog. She is now border trained. A few > > > minutes each day reinforces her desire to stay in the > > > yard. > > > She no longer runs out into the road, I can stop her > > > from chasing cats and she no longer cringes when we > > > walk around the yard. > > > I can not say loud or long enough how much I hate the > > > e-fence and its collars. If you can’t get a regular fence > > > then you need to train your dog. I will never rely on an > > > electronic collar to keep my dog in our yard again. > > > The price was too high:-( > > > ~misty > > > I don’t now whether Peach is dead or alive. I do know she’s not here > > > with us. I really can’t blame anyone here for her loss. I’m the one > > > who ignored your advice. I did it because of how you write/wrote. I > > > was unwilling to accept the idea that my using a shock collar could have > > > any bearing on Peach not wanting to stay home. Up until I started using > > > it my main concern had been keeping my dogs in their own yard. Once I > > > started using the e-fence…well, then my concern became how to keep > > > them from running off for days on end. > > > I lost valuable training time becoming embroiled in the anti-shock > > > debate and the "Jerry sux" tirades. > > > I lost one dog but I have the bestest dog in the world now <g> A Wits > > > End Trained dog, one who is completely housetrained, doesn’t chew up > > > stuff, stays in the yard, and doesn’t bark all the time. IOW a great > > > companion and friend. > > > Thanks Jerry! > > > > Hey, do like me, and killfile Jerry. > > > > He has millions of people aleady reading his posts and > > > > watching him extract his soggy  foot out of his mouth! > > > > Out of these MILLIONS, I’ve only seen 2 naive childs > > > > come forward and actually believe in his training manual. > > > Robert Crim writes: > > > I assume that I and my wife are those two naive childs since > > > I freely admit to having read and, I hope, understood enough > > > of the manual and it’s counterparts by John Fisher and the > > > posts of Marilyn Rammell to believe and use it.  This naive > > > child would like to say thank you to both Jerry and Marilyn for > > > putting up with a constant barrage of really infantile crap at > > > the hands of supposedly adult dog lovers. > > > The other naive child (LSW) has to put up with the nagging > > > idea that if people like them had been posting earlier, maybe > > > we would not have had to hold the head of a really > > > magnificent animal in our arms while he was given the > > > needle and having to hug him and wait until he gasped > > > his last gasp. > > > To my mind, "naive" is believing you can terrorize a dog into > > > good behavior.  Naive is believing that people that hide > > > behind fake names are more honest than people that use > > > their real names.  Naive is thinking that dilettante dog > > > breeders and amateur "trainers" like Joey (lyingdogDUMMY, > > > j.h.) are the equal or better than those that have studied and > > > lived by their craft for decades. > > > "Stupid" is believing that people do not see kindergarten > > > level insults for what they are.   Really stupid is believing that > > > people like Jerry Howe and Marilyn Rammell are going to > > > just go away because you people act like fools.  Why do you > > > act like fools?  I really have no idea, and I don’t really care. > > > > admit to buying and having success with his little black > > > > box. > > > I think I’m going to get one myself for Father’s day and take > > > it down to the Animal Shelter for their use and testing.  You > > > would never

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Watch your crossposting!! And your TOP POSTING!!! And don’t talk to my colleague Jerry Howe like that. He’s the hardest working Man in the Dog Game. — this is michael reporting live… http://dogtv.com with guest star Kwame Brown http://dogtv.com/kwame.jpg WORLD PREMIERE From homeless to World Famous Kwame Brown http://dogtv.com/kwame.rm Times they are a changing people, and so is the Muzzle. And what my colleague Jerry Howe and I have set in motion is an unopposable tidal wave of information, imagery and motion pictures which is going to affect every trainer, every vet, every behaviorist and every dime store dog "expert" in America and the world at large as we know it. Whether they like it or not. WELCOME TO THE NEW MUZZLE OF DOG TRAINING this is your ceo speaking… – Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – > Please keep this shit out of rec.pets.cats.misc you stupid asshole! > He’s intelligent. He’s killfiled Jerry long ago… genius that he is. > He’s already told me all I got to know about him from his training > discussions with leah. He’s a nitwit…but I don’t know if he’s an > abuser. Yet… That’s HOWE COME many of our dog lovers won’t > talk to Jerry, cause they can’t answer my questions without > proving they NEED to HURT dogs to train them. Like tara.green2, > for example. Ask her about her LEAVE IT command, and HOWE > that’ll poison proof a dog? > Then ask professor SCRUFF SHAKE and scream NO into > its face for 5 seconds dermer HOWE he reconciles that > with allelomimetic behavior? > Then ask him to what does he attribute his dog’s OCD masturbation > habit to, the anxiety from punishing of his behaviors (and not the dog) > or is it a case of allelomimetic behavior? Like when professora "chin > CHUCK absolutely doesn’t mean SLAP" gingold got her teeth bashed > down her goddamned throat when her dog discovered that she’d been > jerking and choking him and pretending he did it to himself by accident. > Now for the peanut gallery, just read "interested in hearing" and > ask janet boss which of the two shock control systems that > caused the little dog to become vicious to strangers didn’t > work? > Do you suppose liea’s dog Cubbe will have another post > traumatic stress flashback and snap at another child she > plays with and walks into her SHOCK ZONE? > All dog behavior problems are caused by mishandling. > Some "medical" problems are stress related disorders > directly attributable to so called traditional training. > roo’s dogs are aggressive and won’t come when called > and she and ed w of pet loss dot CON told Misty my > methods are dangerous and ineffective and got her > dog DEAD for her. > Our dog lovers turned on their former most favorite poster > Robert Crim when after KILLING his Wonder Dog Fritz, > he studied my methods to train my student Rollie. Robert > and his Mrs. have NEVER needed to physically scold > or punish or choke their Wits’ End Trained Dog. > My students get 100% total non force control in days. > Nevyn came here with 2 pbx bitches who were hurtin > each other and fighting other dogs. Took him 24 days > flat to totally turn his dogs around using NOTHIN BUT > PRAISE and DISTRACTION. > My methods work like MAGICK and all my students > achieve any level of proficiency in any utility they > desire. > Everything our dog lovers tell us about training dogs > is dangerous to humans and dogs, and the DEAD > DOGS our expert have to show for their efforts > are prima fascia evidence. My students do not > hurt and kill their dogs.There is no way to give > an effective correction using fear force or repression > that doesn’t trigger opposition and animosity. > Our dog lovers do not hurt dogs to train them. They > hurt dog to satisfy their emotional needs to feel > powerful, to compensate for their defective egos, > inferiority complexes, and weak minds. > —– Original Message —– > I just had a nice talk with the man who invented the "doggiedoright" > device; > he told me that if you tell him that I sent you he’ll knock $25 off the > $99.95 price. > If you know someone working at a shelter etc who wants to quieten the dogs > in the neighborhood then this is an ideal present for them – and he will > sell > it at a discount.  He sounds like someone we all know who has no sense > at all about money.  Nice, nice man. > four locations at which the thing has worked, so I recommend it. > Yap yap yap no more!  I have zero financial interest in this. > George > > We just installed a PetSafe brand fence this Spring. > > Two dogs, two collars We now have one dog and no > > collars. > > Peach and Zelda would run thru the fence, not want to > > come back in the yard and would run for days. The > > last time, Peach didn’t come back home. > > I used the Wit’s End Training Manual to learn how to > > train my dog. She is now border trained. A few > > minutes each day reinforces her desire to stay in the > > yard. > > She no longer runs out into the road, I can stop her > > from chasing cats and she no longer cringes when we > > walk around the yard. > > I can not say loud or long enough how much I hate the > > e-fence and its collars. If you can’t get a regular fence > > then you need to train your dog. I will never rely on an > > electronic collar to keep my dog in our yard again. > > The price was too high:-( > > ~misty > > I don’t now whether Peach is dead or alive. I do know she’s not here > > with us. I really can’t blame anyone here for her loss. I’m the one > > who ignored your advice. I did it because of how you write/wrote. I > > was unwilling to accept the idea that my using a shock collar could have > > any bearing on Peach not wanting to stay home. Up until I started using > > it my main concern had been keeping my dogs in their own yard. Once I > > started using the e-fence…well, then my concern became how to keep > > them from running off for days on end. > > I lost valuable training time becoming embroiled in the anti-shock > > debate and the "Jerry sux" tirades. > > I lost one dog but I have the bestest dog in the world now <g> A Wits > > End Trained dog, one who is completely housetrained, doesn’t chew up > > stuff, stays in the yard, and doesn’t bark all the time. IOW a great > > companion and friend. > > Thanks Jerry! > > > Hey, do like me, and killfile Jerry. > > > He has millions of people aleady reading his posts and > > > watching him extract his soggy  foot out of his mouth! > > > Out of these MILLIONS, I’ve only seen 2 naive childs > > > come forward and actually believe in his training manual. > > Robert Crim writes: > > I assume that I and my wife are those two naive childs since > > I freely admit to having read and, I hope, understood enough > > of the manual and it’s counterparts by John Fisher and the > > posts of Marilyn Rammell to believe and use it.  This naive > > child would like to say thank you to both Jerry and Marilyn for > > putting up with a constant barrage of really infantile crap at > > the hands of supposedly adult dog lovers. > > The other naive child (LSW) has to put up with the nagging > > idea that if people like them had been posting earlier, maybe > > we would not have had to hold the head of a really > > magnificent animal in our arms while he was given the > > needle and having to hug him and wait until he gasped > > his last gasp. > > To my mind, "naive" is believing you can terrorize a dog into > > good behavior.  Naive is believing that people that hide > > behind fake names are more honest than people that use > > their real names.  Naive is thinking that dilettante dog > > breeders and amateur "trainers" like Joey (lyingdogDUMMY, > > j.h.) are the equal or better than those that have studied and > > lived by their craft for decades. > > "Stupid" is believing that people do not see kindergarten > > level insults for what they are.   Really stupid is believing that > > people like Jerry Howe and Marilyn Rammell are going to > > just go away because you people act like fools.  Why do you > > act like fools?  I really have no idea, and I don’t really care. > > > admit to buying and having success with his little black > > > box. > > I think I’m going to get one myself for Father’s day and take > > it down to the Animal Shelter for their use and testing.  You > > would never believe the results, so you’ll never know. > > > Anyone by now that doesn’t see a scam man coming by > > > Jerry’s posts deserves to get what is sure to be coming to > > > him! LOL! > > I don’t see a "scam man", so I guess I and Longsuffering > > Wife and Rollei will just have to get what we deserve, eh? > > As Joey (Dogman) says, "poor Rollei."…….right. > > >Terri > > Yes it was, and that is sad. > > Robert, Longsuffering Wife and Rollei (do I get to listen to the box > > first?) > "Anthony Testa"

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Please keep this shit out of rec.pets.cats.misc you stupid asshole!

– Hide quoted text — Show quoted text -> He’s intelligent. He’s killfiled Jerry long ago… genius that he is. > He’s already told me all I got to know about him from his training > discussions with leah. He’s a nitwit…but I don’t know if he’s an > abuser. Yet… That’s HOWE COME many of our dog lovers won’t > talk to Jerry, cause they can’t answer my questions without > proving they NEED to HURT dogs to train them. Like tara.green2, > for example. Ask her about her LEAVE IT command, and HOWE > that’ll poison proof a dog? > Then ask professor SCRUFF SHAKE and scream NO into > its face for 5 seconds dermer HOWE he reconciles that > with allelomimetic behavior? > Then ask him to what does he attribute his dog’s OCD masturbation > habit to, the anxiety from punishing of his behaviors (and not the dog) > or is it a case of allelomimetic behavior? Like when professora "chin > CHUCK absolutely doesn’t mean SLAP" gingold got her teeth bashed > down her goddamned throat when her dog discovered that she’d been > jerking and choking him and pretending he did it to himself by accident. > Now for the peanut gallery, just read "interested in hearing" and > ask janet boss which of the two shock control systems that > caused the little dog to become vicious to strangers didn’t > work? > Do you suppose liea’s dog Cubbe will have another post > traumatic stress flashback and snap at another child she > plays with and walks into her SHOCK ZONE? > All dog behavior problems are caused by mishandling. > Some "medical" problems are stress related disorders > directly attributable to so called traditional training. > roo’s dogs are aggressive and won’t come when called > and she and ed w of pet loss dot CON told Misty my > methods are dangerous and ineffective and got her > dog DEAD for her. > Our dog lovers turned on their former most favorite poster > Robert Crim when after KILLING his Wonder Dog Fritz, > he studied my methods to train my student Rollie. Robert > and his Mrs. have NEVER needed to physically scold > or punish or choke their Wits’ End Trained Dog. > My students get 100% total non force control in days. > Nevyn came here with 2 pbx bitches who were hurtin > each other and fighting other dogs. Took him 24 days > flat to totally turn his dogs around using NOTHIN BUT > PRAISE and DISTRACTION. > My methods work like MAGICK and all my students > achieve any level of proficiency in any utility they > desire. > Everything our dog lovers tell us about training dogs > is dangerous to humans and dogs, and the DEAD > DOGS our expert have to show for their efforts > are prima fascia evidence. My students do not > hurt and kill their dogs.There is no way to give > an effective correction using fear force or repression > that doesn’t trigger opposition and animosity. > Our dog lovers do not hurt dogs to train them. They > hurt dog to satisfy their emotional needs to feel > powerful, to compensate for their defective egos, > inferiority complexes, and weak minds. > —– Original Message —– > I just had a nice talk with the man who invented the "doggiedoright" device; > he told me that if you tell him that I sent you he’ll knock $25 off the > $99.95 price. > If you know someone working at a shelter etc who wants to quieten the dogs > in the neighborhood then this is an ideal present for them – and he will > sell > it at a discount.  He sounds like someone we all know who has no sense > at all about money.  Nice, nice man. > four locations at which the thing has worked, so I recommend it. > Yap yap yap no more!  I have zero financial interest in this. > George > We just installed a PetSafe brand fence this Spring. > Two dogs, two collars We now have one dog and no > collars. > Peach and Zelda would run thru the fence, not want to > come back in the yard and would run for days. The > last time, Peach didn’t come back home. > I used the Wit’s End Training Manual to learn how to > train my dog. She is now border trained. A few > minutes each day reinforces her desire to stay in the > yard. > She no longer runs out into the road, I can stop her > from chasing cats and she no longer cringes when we > walk around the yard. > I can not say loud or long enough how much I hate the > e-fence and its collars. If you can’t get a regular fence > then you need to train your dog. I will never rely on an > electronic collar to keep my dog in our yard again. > The price was too high:-( > ~misty > I don’t now whether Peach is dead or alive. I do know she’s not here > with us. I really can’t blame anyone here for her loss. I’m the one > who ignored your advice. I did it because of how you write/wrote. I > was unwilling to accept the idea that my using a shock collar could have > any bearing on Peach not wanting to stay home. Up until I started using > it my main concern had been keeping my dogs in their own yard. Once I > started using the e-fence…well, then my concern became how to keep > them from running off for days on end. > I lost valuable training time becoming embroiled in the anti-shock > debate and the "Jerry sux" tirades. > I lost one dog but I have the bestest dog in the world now <g> A Wits > End Trained dog, one who is completely housetrained, doesn’t chew up > stuff, stays in the yard, and doesn’t bark all the time. IOW a great > companion and friend. > Thanks Jerry! > > Hey, do like me, and killfile Jerry. > > He has millions of people aleady reading his posts and > > watching him extract his soggy  foot out of his mouth! > > Out of these MILLIONS, I’ve only seen 2 naive childs > > come forward and actually believe in his training manual. > Robert Crim writes: > I assume that I and my wife are those two naive childs since > I freely admit to having read and, I hope, understood enough > of the manual and it’s counterparts by John Fisher and the > posts of Marilyn Rammell to believe and use it.  This naive > child would like to say thank you to both Jerry and Marilyn for > putting up with a constant barrage of really infantile crap at > the hands of supposedly adult dog lovers. > The other naive child (LSW) has to put up with the nagging > idea that if people like them had been posting earlier, maybe > we would not have had to hold the head of a really > magnificent animal in our arms while he was given the > needle and having to hug him and wait until he gasped > his last gasp. > To my mind, "naive" is believing you can terrorize a dog into > good behavior.  Naive is believing that people that hide > behind fake names are more honest than people that use > their real names.  Naive is thinking that dilettante dog > breeders and amateur "trainers" like Joey (lyingdogDUMMY, > j.h.) are the equal or better than those that have studied and > lived by their craft for decades. > "Stupid" is believing that people do not see kindergarten > level insults for what they are.   Really stupid is believing that > people like Jerry Howe and Marilyn Rammell are going to > just go away because you people act like fools.  Why do you > act like fools?  I really have no idea, and I don’t really care. > > admit to buying and having success with his little black > > box. > I think I’m going to get one myself for Father’s day and take > it down to the Animal Shelter for their use and testing.  You > would never believe the results, so you’ll never know. > > Anyone by now that doesn’t see a scam man coming by > > Jerry’s posts deserves to get what is sure to be coming to > > him! LOL! > I don’t see a "scam man", so I guess I and Longsuffering > Wife and Rollei will just have to get what we deserve, eh? > As Joey (Dogman) says, "poor Rollei."…….right. > >Terri > Yes it was, and that is sad. > Robert, Longsuffering Wife and Rollei (do I get to listen to the box > first?) > I moved to Jacksonville, Florida about a year ago with my lovely wife > < snip horror story > > Listen to this…My wife wrote one of the so called know it all of > pets. His response to the exact letter we initially wrote to > Jerry…"Get rid of the dog, bring her back" I’ll save this person > embarrassment by not saying the name. However, you know who you are > and I have this to say to you. Go pump gas or bus tables because you > sir, do not belong working with animals! > Jerry, after reading some of the threads in the news group, I can’t > for the life of me understand why this many people are so dang blind > or ignorant. > You just keep plugging away at what you do, because you my friend are > a life saver!!! > Anytime you need someone to speak about the results of your product, > you have my number. We would gladly talk to them. > Thank you very much for all your help. God bless you… > Anthony & Linda Testa > Jacksonville, Florida > Sent: Friday, December 14, 2001 11:42 AM > I

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He’s intelligent. He’s killfiled Jerry long ago… genius that he is. He’s already told me all I got to know about him from his training discussions with leah. He’s a nitwit…but I don’t know if he’s an abuser. Yet… That’s HOWE COME many of our dog lovers won’t talk to Jerry, cause they can’t answer my questions without proving they NEED to HURT dogs to train them. Like tara.green2, for example. Ask her about her LEAVE IT command, and HOWE that’ll poison proof a dog? Then ask professor SCRUFF SHAKE and scream NO into its face for 5 seconds dermer HOWE he reconciles that with allelomimetic behavior? Then ask him to what does he attribute his dog’s OCD masturbation habit to, the anxiety from punishing of his behaviors (and not the dog) or is it a case of allelomimetic behavior? Like when professora "chin CHUCK absolutely doesn’t mean SLAP" gingold got her teeth bashed down her goddamned throat when her dog discovered that she’d been jerking and choking him and pretending he did it to himself by accident. Now for the peanut gallery, just read "interested in hearing" and ask janet boss which of the two shock control systems that caused the little dog to become vicious to strangers didn’t work? Do you suppose liea’s dog Cubbe will have another post traumatic stress flashback and snap at another child she plays with and walks into her SHOCK ZONE? All dog behavior problems are caused by mishandling. Some "medical" problems are stress related disorders directly attributable to so called traditional training. roo’s dogs are aggressive and won’t come when called and she and ed w of pet loss dot CON told Misty my methods are dangerous and ineffective and got her dog DEAD for her. Our dog lovers turned on their former most favorite poster Robert Crim when after KILLING his Wonder Dog Fritz, he studied my methods to train my student Rollie. Robert and his Mrs. have NEVER needed to physically scold or punish or choke their Wits’ End Trained Dog. My students get 100% total non force control in days. Nevyn came here with 2 pbx bitches who were hurtin each other and fighting other dogs. Took him 24 days flat to totally turn his dogs around using NOTHIN BUT PRAISE and DISTRACTION. My methods work like MAGICK and all my students achieve any level of proficiency in any utility they desire. Everything our dog lovers tell us about training dogs is dangerous to humans and dogs, and the DEAD DOGS our expert have to show for their efforts are prima fascia evidence. My students do not hurt and kill their dogs.There is no way to give an effective correction using fear force or repression that doesn’t trigger opposition and animosity. Our dog lovers do not hurt dogs to train them. They hurt dog to satisfy their emotional needs to feel powerful, to compensate for their defective egos, inferiority complexes, and weak minds. – Hide quoted text — Show quoted text —— Original Message —– I just had a nice talk with the man who invented the "doggiedoright" device; he told me that if you tell him that I sent you he’ll knock $25 off the $99.95 price. If you know someone working at a shelter etc who wants to quieten the dogs in the neighborhood then this is an ideal present for them – and he will sell it at a discount.  He sounds like someone we all know who has no sense at all about money.  Nice, nice man. four locations at which the thing has worked, so I recommend it. Yap yap yap no more!  I have zero financial interest in this. George > We just installed a PetSafe brand fence this Spring. > Two dogs, two collars We now have one dog and no > collars. > Peach and Zelda would run thru the fence, not want to > come back in the yard and would run for days. The > last time, Peach didn’t come back home. > I used the Wit’s End Training Manual to learn how to > train my dog. She is now border trained. A few > minutes each day reinforces her desire to stay in the > yard. > She no longer runs out into the road, I can stop her > from chasing cats and she no longer cringes when we > walk around the yard. > I can not say loud or long enough how much I hate the > e-fence and its collars. If you can’t get a regular fence > then you need to train your dog. I will never rely on an > electronic collar to keep my dog in our yard again. > The price was too high:-( > ~misty > I don’t now whether Peach is dead or alive. I do know she’s not here > with us. I really can’t blame anyone here for her loss. I’m the one > who ignored your advice. I did it because of how you write/wrote. I > was unwilling to accept the idea that my using a shock collar could have > any bearing on Peach not wanting to stay home. Up until I started using > it my main concern had been keeping my dogs in their own yard. Once I > started using the e-fence…well, then my concern became how to keep > them from running off for days on end. > I lost valuable training time becoming embroiled in the anti-shock > debate and the "Jerry sux" tirades. > I lost one dog but I have the bestest dog in the world now <g> A Wits > End Trained dog, one who is completely housetrained, doesn’t chew up > stuff, stays in the yard, and doesn’t bark all the time. IOW a great > companion and friend. > Thanks Jerry! > Hey, do like me, and killfile Jerry. > He has millions of people aleady reading his posts and > watching him extract his soggy  foot out of his mouth! > Out of these MILLIONS, I’ve only seen 2 naive childs > come forward and actually believe in his training manual. > Robert Crim writes: > I assume that I and my wife are those two naive childs since > I freely admit to having read and, I hope, understood enough > of the manual and it’s counterparts by John Fisher and the > posts of Marilyn Rammell to believe and use it.  This naive > child would like to say thank you to both Jerry and Marilyn for > putting up with a constant barrage of really infantile crap at > the hands of supposedly adult dog lovers. > The other naive child (LSW) has to put up with the nagging > idea that if people like them had been posting earlier, maybe > we would not have had to hold the head of a really > magnificent animal in our arms while he was given the > needle and having to hug him and wait until he gasped > his last gasp. > To my mind, "naive" is believing you can terrorize a dog into > good behavior.  Naive is believing that people that hide > behind fake names are more honest than people that use > their real names.  Naive is thinking that dilettante dog > breeders and amateur "trainers" like Joey (lyingdogDUMMY, > j.h.) are the equal or better than those that have studied and > lived by their craft for decades. > "Stupid" is believing that people do not see kindergarten > level insults for what they are.   Really stupid is believing that > people like Jerry Howe and Marilyn Rammell are going to > just go away because you people act like fools.  Why do you > act like fools?  I really have no idea, and I don’t really care. > admit to buying and having success with his little black > box. > I think I’m going to get one myself for Father’s day and take > it down to the Animal Shelter for their use and testing.  You > would never believe the results, so you’ll never know. > Anyone by now that doesn’t see a scam man coming by > Jerry’s posts deserves to get what is sure to be coming to > him! LOL! > I don’t see a "scam man", so I guess I and Longsuffering > Wife and Rollei will just have to get what we deserve, eh? > As Joey (Dogman) says, "poor Rollei."…….right. >Terri > Yes it was, and that is sad. > Robert, Longsuffering Wife and Rollei (do I get to listen to the box > first?) > I moved to Jacksonville, Florida about a year ago with my lovely wife < snip horror story > > Listen to this…My wife wrote one of the so called know it all of > pets. His response to the exact letter we initially wrote to > Jerry…"Get rid of the dog, bring her back" I’ll save this person > embarrassment by not saying the name. However, you know who you are > and I have this to say to you. Go pump gas or bus tables because you > sir, do not belong working with animals! > Jerry, after reading some of the threads in the news group, I can’t > for the life of me understand why this many people are so dang blind > or ignorant. > You just keep plugging away at what you do, because you my friend are > a life saver!!! > Anytime you need someone to speak about the results of your product, > you have my number. We would gladly talk to them. > Thank you very much for all your help. God bless you… > Anthony & Linda Testa > Jacksonville, Florida Sent: Friday, December 14, 2001 11:42 AM I just wanted to take a bit of time to tell you how much I appreciate your product and your training methods as well. When my little Chihuahua first arrived I was overwhelmed with her anxiety and her ability to just Bark endlessly. I received your product and at first I thought I was using it wrong, because my puppy just seemed to ignore it. But after a week or two, she began to calm down considerably as well as act more friendly towards people on the street. I can’t believe the difference I see in my little puppy. Your product is a life saver! Thanks again for everything. Sincerely, Regina Guerrero

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Hello diana,

> Hi, > [..] > 99% of the time it’s very happy and sociable, but lately he’s begun > growling at the kids, and even once at my girlfriend. He’s now even > gone so far as to jump up on one the kids friend’s, growling. > From what I’ve read so far, it seems he may be a fear biter.Even when he > was only a couple of weeks old, he’s always been kind of timid. > [..]

Shove, diana. > This is really very common in young dogs

INDEED. It’s just killed three or four dogs right here in the last couple months. > as they go through their ‘teenage crisis’ stage.

That’s a load of horseshit, diana. These behavior problems are CAUSED by the mishandling you prefer to recommend to people. My students do not have a "rebellious adolescent" STAGE in response to their repressive mishandling like you and your ‘expert’ pals who jerk and choke and shock and beat and hang dogs to train them. > Just like people, he’s getting to grips with his identity and > it is a very difficult stage for a dog.

That’s BULLSHIT. The dog is objecting to being HURT and INTIMIDATED as you and your pals teach. >  Good positive and fun socialisation is vital at this point.

Ain’t you a freakin prize, you miserable double talking Thug. > Don’t let the children corner him

Children cornering him will not make him feel CORNERED unless they’re playing some alphalpha crap games and trying to punish or intimidate him. That’s what makes cornered dogs bite. FEAR. What’s a dog to FEAR from a child PLAYING with him in a corner? NOTHING, unless that child is copying what his mommy and daddy do to him and his puppy, diana. That’s HOWE COME you tell people to killfile Jerry and make hundreds of complaints to my ISP diana. I’ve EXPOSED you and your CHUMP CHUMS who NEED to dominate and intimidate their dogs to compensate for your fragile defective ego’s and weak minds, diana. The truth HURTS, don’t it? BWWWAAHAHAHAHAAAA!!! I’m the cruelest dog trainer in history, ain’t I, diana? And I don’t even touch dogs to train them. > or pull him around and ask that they remain calm around him,

Like mommy and daddy when they correct and train them??? > but all the time they are around he should be praised and rewarded and > really learn to associate the presence of kids with having a great time. The > kids can be rewarded for their efforts afterwards with candy bribes ~ so > everyone wins! (except maybe your wallet!)

You’re one sick bitch. You gonna teach children bribery? > It’s possible that the growling has coincided with the start of his puppy > training, once he started being disciplined. The trainer was pretty rough > on him, I’m wondering if that did more harm than good… Can’t be too sure > about that, though. > Don’t let ANYONE bully or mess your dog about.

Oh? What’s BULLY? > He’s your dog and depends on you for security

AMAZING! > You’ve got to live with him, not the trainer, so you want > to ensure he is happy and stable, feels secure and has no fears.

He’s paying the trainer to HELP him. > You point out he is of nervous nature. If you feel uncomfortable ~ like in an > interview situation, and someone starts pulling you around, how are you > going to react?

I dunno. All depends. > ~ and in the same situation, if someone pulls you up a chair, offers you > coffee and really makes it clear they are pleased to see you, then are you > more likely to try and give your best back?

I might not drink the coffee and look for a tack on the seat. And I certainly wouldn’t accept any advice from the likes of you, diana. > My sister definitely doesn’t want the dogs around the kids anymore, but > I’m wondering whether I should take it or not. The dog seems to be really > happy around me and my girlfriend, is it possible to train this out of him? Do I > need to put him down? > I sort of can’t blame her for not wanting him, and it sounds like this big > dog needs more attention than she might have as a busy mum, otherwise she > might have noticed and been able to stop this ever becoming a problem.

This problem is a direct result of his training. As for big, a big dog ain’t big problems, unless you provoke them. > If you would like to take this dog it would be great,

You think that would be great, diana? You think the family who raised their dog only to have his life ripped off by a professional trainer agree that would be GREAT, diana? > but remember that he will require a fair bit of work from you at first to > get this problem sorted before it escalates ~ and the very last thing you > need is some ‘trainer’ jerking him about.

Right, what he needs is a nice shock collar, diana. I recommend FRAUDreck and his tritronics brand of medical grade static like stimulation. > Look for socialisation classes ~

Like the ones janet boss and lying "I LOVE KOEHLER" lynn and twzl run? > ask around, maybe at your vets,

Yeah, an excellent idea. Find a other professional trainer who’ll HANG this dog and fix him up right. > may be look in the paper ~

Yeah! > there are people here who may be able to recommend contacts /

Sure! Our carol levie went to see our boob maida for dog aggression and he sent her to his competitor so she wouldn’t have to come back here and admit that boob could only teach her to HURT her dog. So his competitor taught her HOWE to HURT her dog, and she came outta there with her dog snapping at her in the presence of other dogs. And our cindy long took her dog Buck to see FRAUDreck, and didn’t have any LUCK there either. But I did. She confirmed that Buck trembled for a couple days following his shocking experiences. > places in your area. Keep ‘bribery’ with you at all times.

You’re an idiot, diana. > Any difficult / scary situations ( from your dogs point of view) need gentle > handling and loads of praise and reward for overcoming ~

Sure, tell it somewhere else. > without turning him in to a big cry baby…

Thanks for all the advice, diana. You did find the advice in your FREE copy of my FREE Wits’ End Dog Training Method manual to be effective on your own dog’s fear aggression, didn’t you diana? The reason you hate me is cause you can’t stop punishing and confining your dog, because that makes you FEEL insecure… > Diana

You need to get the heel outta here, diana. Check this out, good buddy:  "Warning: Sometimes The Corrections Will Seem Quite Harsh And  Cause You To Cringe. This Is A Normal Reaction The First Few  Times It Happens, But You’ll Get Over It." mike duforth, author:  "Courteous Canine."   "Nope. That "beating dogs with sticks" things is   something you twisted out of context, because you   are full of bizarro manure."

>Di, > I don’t believe you mentioned a particular kind of training. If you > are interested in training retrieval behavior than do consider > our own Amy Dahl’s: > The 10-Minute Retriever : How to Make a Well-Mannered, Obedient and > Enthusiastic Gun Dog in 10 Minutes a Day > by John I. Dahl, Amy Dahl

You failed to mention your pals the dahls are proven liars and dog abusers, professor "SCRUFF SHAKE:"  "I Would Never Advise Anyone To Slap A Dog I Do Not Believe There  Is A Single Circumstance Ever, Where Slapping A Dog Is Anything  But Destructive," "I don’t see why anyone would want to choke or  beat a dog, or how any trainer could possibly get a good working dog by  making them unhapper, fearful, cowering, etc." sez amy lying frosty dahl  who continues: > just $17.95 at Amazon.com. > (Also, it is best to killfile posts from the few regulars here who > are either ill-tempered, ill-mannered, or just plain ill.) > –Marshall

amy lying frosty dahl continues:  "On the other extreme, the really hard dogs we have trained  require much more frequent and heavy application of  pressure (PAIN j.h.) to get the job done,  This is continued resistance to your increasing authority, and the  job is not done until it is overcome  Get A 30"- 40" Stick.You can have a helper wield the stick, or do it  yourself. Tougher,  less tractable dogs may require you to progress to  striking them more sharply  Try pinching the ear between the metal casing and the collar,  even the  buckle on the collar. Persist! Eventually, the dog will give in  but will squeal, thrash around, and direct their efforts to escaping the  ear pinch  You can press the dog’s ear with a shotshell instead of your thumb  even get a studded collar and pinch the ear against that  Make the dog’s need to stop the pinching so urgent that resisting  your will fades in importance.  CHUCK IT Under ITS Chin With That Ever Ready Right Hand,  As it catches on, try using the stick and no ear pinch. When the  dog is digging out to beat the stick and seems totally reliable without  any ear pinch, you are finished  This is continued resistance to your increasing authority,  and the job is not done until it is overcome" If the dog drops it, chuck  it solidly under the chin, say "No! Hold!"  (stay on the ear until it does) (perhaps because the ear is getting  tender, or the dog has decided it isn’t worth it)" lying frosty dahl.  "Chin cuff absolutely does not mean slap," professora gingold. > > Jerome Bigge writes: > > I do know that hitting, hurting your dog will often make the > > dog either aggressive or a fear biter, neither of which we

 > > > want to do. – Hide quoted text — Show quoted text -> And neither does anyone else, Jerome.  No matter what Jerry Howe > states. > –Matt.  Rocky’s a Dog. > You’re scary Marilyn. > Marilyn must be quite a disturbed individual.  I feel very sorry > for her and her family. > BUT, giving you the benefit of the doubt,  please

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Hello Norman,

> Hi, > My sister’s dog has been exhibiting strange behaviour lately.

Dog’s don’t have strange behaviors unless they’re ill. Dog behaviors are normal, natural, instinctive, reflexive responses to situations and conditions of their environment that WE provide for them. > He’s a 1 year old Lab crossed with a German short-haired pointer, and is

*extremely* active. "Extremely active" is CAUSED by inappropriate and ineffective handling. > I’ve been around him since birth, I guess I am what is termed the > "alpha" person in his pack.

The alpha theory is BUNK. > 99% of the time it’s very happy and sociable,

Is it now? > but lately he’s begun growling at the kids, and even once at my girlfriend. > He’s now even gone so far as to jump up on one the kids friend’s,

growling. At the age of 9-12 months they come into adulthood… > From what I’ve read so far, it seems he may be a fear biter.Even when he was > only a couple of weeks old, he’s always been kind of timid.

No problem. We’ve got techniques that will fix it. > It’s possible that the growling has coincided with the start of his puppy > training, once he started being disciplined.

That’s HOWE COME Jerry don’t train like our "experts." Our "experts" hurt and kill their dogs and blame it on bad breeding or the handler being too lenient. > The trainer was pretty rough on him,

Yeah. Our DOG LOVERS here think HURTIN dogs is NORMAL: "Warning: Sometimes The Corrections Will Seem Quite Harsh And Cause You To Cringe. This Is A Normal Reaction The First Few Times It Happens, But You’ll Get Over It." mike duforth, author: "Courteous Canine." Whaddya think of a stupid vicious bastard like that mike duforth? That’s cause the dog was being stubborn or aggressive. Our ‘experts’ are afraid of dog’s behaviors that  they cannot train, so they hurt the dog so they won’t be thrown outta their HOWESes for being BAD. Then the dogs get aggressive from being HURT and INTIMIDATED and locked in a box and left to cry till  they’re quiet before you let them out… and then jerk and choke the dogs on their pronged spiked pinch choke collar and before ya know it, we got CHEDDAR. We’ve already killed about a half dozen dogs on our forum this year. Where the heel is ed w of petloss dot con when ya need him?  Hey eddie??? Tell our poster HOWE to find his koehler book (pronounced keeler by georgie cockroach). > I’m wondering if that did more harm than good…

I’d stake my life your "expert trainer" is about to get your dog DEAD. Again. They’re USED to this, they GOT OVER IT as mikes sez. They HAVE to GET OVER IT, cause the do this to about 10% of their dogs. Only their BEST dogs get DEAD. The rest of ‘em get along o.k. being hurt and intimidated and still others like FRAUDreck’s K0 Maddy and lying "I LOVE KOEHLER" lynn’s SAR dog Jive stand out as representatives of the very best you’ll ever get from a force trainer, a FAKE dog. NEITHER of those two chumpion dogs can WORK, although they do great in their trials, when the dog THINKS he can be HURT cause the trials SEEM like their regular classes where they’re jerked and choked and shocked and beaten with sticks and much, much, moore. > Can’t be too sure about that, though.

I can. I’ll stake my life on it. Care to take up a law suite, I’ll be happy to present expert witness testimony for you in court for FREE (expenses only). All I’ll need is a review of everything you were taught, and I’ll point out exactly HOWE that caused other seemingly non related behavior problems… > My sister definitely doesn’t want the dogs around the kids anymore,

Not surprising. She’s afraid of him now, thanks to her fearful trainer. She was afraid before too, when she allowed an abusive trainer to mishandle him for her. I’ve seen this kinda crap happen often over the past forty years. I’m fixing to drop the hammer on the entire industry. Stick around, we’re gonna make them PAY. > but I’m wondering whether I should take it or not.

Absolutely not. Give your sister a FREE copy of your FREE copy of my FREE Wits’ End Dog Training Method manual and the dog will be better than good as new in a few days, maybe less. Charlie (his post below) came here with an aggression problem he CURED in ONE session using my gentle methods. > The dog seems to be really happy around me and my girlfriend, > is it possible to train this out of him?

Yes, but you’ll have to forget everything the "experts" tell you, cause the "experts" are the bums who brought you this problem. Our veterinarians and their behaviorists largely do EXACTLY the same as your "trainer" did, cause the "non force" trainers out there generally aren’t any better than the choke and shock and crate crowd. > Do I need to put him down?

You mean kill him. Nope. He’ll straighten out in a few days using my techniques. I’ve got the fastest, gentlest, most effective methods in the world. Your FREE copy of my FREE Wits’ End Dog Training Method manual available for FREE at http://www.doggydoright.com will teach you everything you need to know to bring your dog to any level of training you desire. > TIA,

Just ask me if you need any help with the method. It’s all FREE, despite what ed williams of pet loss dot CON tries to tell you. Our dog lovers HATE Jerry cause Jerry has EXPOSED and DISCREDITED them. j;~) > Norvin

Get your sister to study my manual Norvin. I know we’ll make him nice and safe FAST. Chris Williams writes:

"The FREE Wits’ End Dog Training Method manual I do find valuable. Much of it I recognize as what I’ve always done without thinking of it as "training". New stuff, I’ve used. His anchoring technique erased the last of Mac’s fireworks trauma." Ben writes:

Hi, Jerry. I’m not sure that I’m a 100% convert, or that I agree with (or even understand) 100% of what you say in this manual … BUT … we had "come" down pat in a few reps and you could have knocked me down when I tried the exercise with "drop" and, after a few reps in different spots Darwin practically *threw* the rubber ball at my feet on command. He’s still not perfect (just a pup, after all, and he’s stubborn enough to want to push and test me a little bit more). For what it’s worth, I can see (as no doubt you have) how your usenet manner is likely to rankle a few folks, but that woman who advocates ear pulling and beating with sticks deserves everything she gets. Even if that was the only method that would work, I’d live with my dog not fetching rather than do any of that. (Darwin fetches enthusiastically and instinctively, tho’). Best, ben

> I haven’t quite finished reading the FREE Wits’ End > Dog Training Method manual, but it already worked > miracles with our three dogs > The barking at the door has diminished so much that, > well, frankly, we’re stunned. > Anyway, your approach is amazing. > Melisand

Re: Barking Deterrants Needed… Hi. Please understand that I do not know Jerry and have spoken with him briefly once by email. I have no stake or interest in the success of  his business.  I simply want to thank him publicly for one of his tips, with regards to separation anxiety. I thought it seemed far fetched to praise a stuffed animal and then say good bye to my own dog, but I am usually a very open minded person, so I tried it. Well, lo and behold- the damn trick worked! I think Jerry has some intriguing techniques, and personally I think everyone who constantly criticizes him is not understanding his logic. Thank you Jerry! Kitty Will Too) Newsgroups: rec.pets.dogs.behavior View: Complete Thread (271 articles) | Original Format After using Jerry’s training manual, I became curious about the Doggy Do Right (DDR) machine, and a few weeks ago I received one. I thought the group might be interested in some things I’ve noticed since using it.  (This is a bit of an understatement as I certainly expect a flurry of responses… most of them will probably be nasty. But we’ll see.) Anyway, at first I would leave it on only when I left the house, but one day I forgot and left it on all night. My dogs used to wake me up between 8 and 8:30 a.m.  The morning after I left it on all night, they slept until 9:30 a.m.  At first I wondered why they had slept in so late, and then I noticed that the DDR was on. (And no, I’m not an early riser.)  :-) Now they consistently sleep until 9:30 or 10:00 a.m., unless I wake them up earlier.  One night the power went out, and the DDR was switched off.  They woke me around 8:30 that day. The second thing was something my husband noticed.  If the light on the DDR is flashing, it is in "rest" mode…when it’s solid, it is playing the program.  He came home, the dogs were doing their usual growl and "bitey face" rowdiness… when the machine’s light became solid (program on), they laid down in the same room with the machine. Pepper even laid on her side and started taking a little nap. Often, I will see the dogs in the room with the DDR when the program is playing, usually around their nap time. That is, they will nap in the same room as the machine and not in other areas of the house… even though their "preferred" sleeping spot at other times seems to be my bed. The last two things I’ve noticed have been with my 7 yr old Dalmatian, Beau.  He is normally terrified of thunderstorms, so much that he will try to crawl into my lap, or he will shake and shed hair everywhere. (Shedding hair is a symptom of stress I suppose… he does the same thing at the vet’s.)  On Sunday, we had a really severe thunderstorm, with hail, etc.  When the storm began, I turned the machine to play mode.  He laid on the … read more »

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Hello People, Here’s assholciate professor marshall dermer of the Anal-lytical Behavior Dept.at the U of WI telling us to rely on the koehler method for separation anxiety. koheler beats dogs unmercifully for SA behaviors like chewing and barking and stress induced excretion. j;~)

Re: Barking Deterrants Needed… Hi. Please understand that I do not know Jerry and have spoken with him briefly once by email. I have no stake or interest in the success of  his business.  I simply want to thank him publicly for one of his tips, with regards to separation anxiety.  I thought it seemed far fetched to praise a stuffed animal and then say good bye to my own dog, but I am usually a very open minded person, so I tried it.  Well, lo and behold- the damn trick worked! I think Jerry has some intriguing techniques, and personally I think everyone who constantly criticizes him is not understanding his logic. Thank you Jerry!  professor dermer isn’t satisfied: (Note: I misspelled "separation" in my previous post. –Marshall)  Hi David, First, congratulations to you for finding and implementing a procedure that eliminated your dog’s separation anxiety. Did Jerry offer you this advice via USENET, or did you actually read his manual?  Nothing succeeds like success, but curious people like to know why  a procedure works.  The "why?" question can be asked at many levels. We can ask "why" at the enviornmental level and speculate about which environmental aspects of the procedure are necessary and sufficient for it to work. Must one, for example, praise a stuffed animal or will praising a stuffed pillow work? And if the latter will work, will praise itself work?  And if the latter will work, is it what was said or how it was said? If it was how it was said, would a wordless melody work? But there are still other possibilities to those who study the environmental variables that control behavior. Perhaps, when you praised the stuffed animal before departing you NEVER IMMEDIATELY RETURNED HOME EVEN THOUGH YOUR DOG WAS RESPONDING ANXIOUSLY whereas previous to using praise you did return home. To the extent the anxious behavior is an operant it is, by definition, controlled by its consequences. The net result is that anxious behavior has been reinforced in the past provided you had not praised the stuffed animal but put on an extinction provided you had praised the stuffed animal. This explanation suggests that if you depart without praising the stuffed animal your dog will behave anxiously! It also suggests that any salient stimulus correlated with your not returning and inadvertently reinforcing your dog’s anxious behavior would be just as effective. Put another way, Jerry’s recommendation although effective, probably only for some cases of separation anxiety, is superstitious because Jerry has not conducted research to discover the necessary and sufficient conditions for the procedure’s effectiveness.  We can also ask "why" at the physiological level. I completed a preliminary examination in the physiology of behavior some 30 years ago, so I am not competent to describe the physiological and neurological processes that mediate the procedure’s effectiveness. Indeed, I believe that many of the neuroscientists in my department could not PRECISELY describe what is involved.  But Jerry repeatedly makes the claim that his "black box" or his training method stimulate’s a dog’s learning centers. He, of course, provides no research to support this claim. Does Jerry know something about dog training? Yes. Can you learn something from Jerry if you are new to dog training? Yes. But IMHO, Jerry spends more time attacking other sources of advice here on rpdb and in his manual, than does he offer effective advice. Moreover, much of the explanation that he offers as to why his procedures work, for example, the learning center explanation, is bogus. I have learned much here from Diane Blackman, Cindy Moore, Avrama Gingold, Ludwig Smith, Paulette, Steve Boyer, and others but nothing from Jerry Howe.  My 87 year-old Aunt Vivian is fond of saying time is precious.  May we not waste our precious time,  Marshall Newsgroups: rec.pets.dogs.behavior View complete thread (230 articles) writes: > -snip headers etc. > Yes. you’re right, I really should find the book.. they don’t have these books > in the local pet stores I frequent, where do you find Koehler? >I got a nice large print copy from Amazon.com >Richard

  Please try Powell’s Books in Portland Oregon. Their URL is:                     http://www.powells.com/   Unlike Amazon.com, Powell’s keeps both new and used books on   its shelves. You can order books via e-email.                      Koehler Method Of Dog Training                      by Koehler, W R                      Published by HOWELL BOOK HOUSE (0876056575, 1973)                      Section: Pets-Dog Training                      In Stock: 2 at $12.00                      Hardcover; Used – Standard Condition; Location:                               Beaverton                      Reviews and/or bibliographic information                      Koehler Method Of Dog Training                      by Koehler, W R                      Published by HOWELL BOOK HOUSE (0876056575, 1973)                      Section: Pets-Dogs General                      In Stock: 1 at $9.95                      Hardcover; Used – Standard Condition; Location:                      Hawthorne                      Reviews and/or bibliographic information      Powell’s is an independent book seller that is well-positioned      to battle amazon.com, Barnes & Noble, etc. Powell’s main      store in Portland, OR has a one square block "foot print" and      is three stories tall. If you are thinking of buying new or      used books—-think Powell’s!                         http://www.powells.com/      –Marshall      PS: My sister-in-law is the manager of the main Powell’s          Books in Portland. > May I suggest you use a killfile if you plan to read this group. > Mine looks as follows: > –Marshall

<snip professor lying doc dermer’s killfile> > I have read rpdb for about five years.

Yes, professor. For five years you’ve done nothing but ridicule every competent non violent trainer who’se ever posted here. You’ve told people to killfile me, Marilyn, Canis55, and others who disagree with HURTING dogs, professor descartes. > Consequently,

Consequently, our professor lying doc dermer cannot discuss non force training methods, because that would make him out to be a liar and a hypocrite, People. > I urge newbies to attend to the civil and rational posts of the > rpdb regulars from whom I have learned much.

Yes, professor. Our Gang Of Thugs. Now let’s continue and see – Hide quoted text — Show quoted text -> I have read rpdb for about five years. Consequently, I urge > newbies to attend to the civil and rational posts of the rpdb > regulars from whom I have learned much. They include: Ann > (,Twzl, Sligo & Roy) (SHOCKS DOGS), Amy Dahl (SHOCKS, > BEATS, CHOKES, TWISTS & PINCHES), Diane Blackman > (KOEHLER FAN), jdoee (a rank amature, never contributed > anything worthwhile,), Janet Boss (CHOKES, KILLS, wants to > SHOCK but don’t know enough yet), Susan Fraser (SHOCKS, > BEATS, CHOKES), Avrama Gingold (CHIN CUFF DON’T MEAN > SLAP, CHOKES, would shock but she’s too cheap to buy a shock > collar), Nancy Holmes (loves her SHOCK FENCE), Lynn ("I LOVE > KOEHLER") Kosmakos, SHOCKS, CHOKES, BEATS, KILLS), Bob > Maida (I’ve got $100.00 reward for any five dog behavior posts of > his) (SAYS KILLFILE JERRY, DON’T LET THE DOG DO THAT, > RECOMMENDS KOEHLER, CINDYMOOREON’S WEB SITE) and > when he said he’d endorse my methods if I’d lay off you > bums and I told him to post excellent information and I’d have > nothing to criticize, he began telling people I’m a wanted child > molestor), MaryBeth (noted liar, her dogs eat poo out of each > other’s butts so she can’t chase them away from it),

Hey dude, I’m getting tired of making all these notes next to the names of dog abusers we’ve got here, and it ain’t gettin no better, so I’m moving on… > Ruth Mays,  Cindy Tittle Moore, Robin Nuttall, Denna Pace, John > Richardson, Sarah Sionnach, Ludwig Smith, Jane Webb, and Terri > Willis.

Well La Di Da! Every one of them except nuttall and jdoee, are dog abusing Thugs or liars or both. The two noted exceptions aren’t exactly the sharpest knives in the drawer, either. HOWEver I don’t consider them to be dog abusers or liars, based on their posts. >      Marshall Lev Dermer/Associate Professor/Behavior Analysis > Specialty/ Department of Psychology/University of > Wisconsin–Milwaukee/ >                         Milwaukee, WI 53201

HOWEver, about yourself professor? You’re both. Tell us HOWE you punish the dog’s behavior without punishing the dog, professor? That’s why your little dog masturbates on your couch pillows, professor. He does that for one of two reasons. Either he does it because of stress induced by punishment, or he’s doing it because of allelomimetic behavior. >  "If I am not for myself, who will be for me. But if I am only >   for myself, what am I?" >           _The Talmud_

You endorse the koehler method and the above mentioned Thugs who choke, shock, and beat dogs with sticks, professor. I wonder what your Talmud would say about that? I think the Talmud would say you’re a schmuck, professor. Your pal, Jerry.

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Hello People, Here’s assholeciate professor marshall dermer of the Anal-lytical Behavior Dept.at the U of WI telling us to rely on the koehler method for separation anxiety. koehler beats dogs unmercifully for SA behaviors like chewing and barking and stress induced excretion. j;~)

Re: Barking Deterrants Needed… Hi. Please understand that I do not know Jerry and have spoken with him briefly once by email. I have no stake or interest in the success of  his business.  I simply want to thank him publicly for one of his tips, with regards to separation anxiety.  I thought it seemed far fetched to praise a stuffed animal and then say good bye to my own dog, but I am usually a very open minded person, so I tried it.  Well, lo and behold- the damn trick worked! I think Jerry has some intriguing techniques, and personally I think everyone who constantly criticizes him is not understanding his logic. Thank you Jerry!  professor dermer isn’t satisfied: (Note: I misspelled "separation" in my previous post. –Marshall)  Hi David, First, congratulations to you for finding and implementing a procedure that eliminated your dog’s separation anxiety. Did Jerry offer you this advice via USENET, or did you actually read his manual?  Nothing succeeds like success, but curious people like to know why  a procedure works.  The "why?" question can be asked at many levels. We can ask "why" at the enviornmental level and speculate about which environmental aspects of the procedure are necessary and sufficient for it to work. Must one, for example, praise a stuffed animal or will praising a stuffed pillow work? And if the latter will work, will praise itself work?  And if the latter will work, is it what was said or how it was said? If it was how it was said, would a wordless melody work? But there are still other possibilities to those who study the environmental variables that control behavior. Perhaps, when you praised the stuffed animal before departing you NEVER IMMEDIATELY RETURNED HOME EVEN THOUGH YOUR DOG WAS RESPONDING ANXIOUSLY whereas previous to using praise you did return home. To the extent the anxious behavior is an operant it is, by definition, controlled by its consequences. The net result is that anxious behavior has been reinforced in the past provided you had not praised the stuffed animal but put on an extinction provided you had praised the stuffed animal. This explanation suggests that if you depart without praising the stuffed animal your dog will behave anxiously! It also suggests that any salient stimulus correlated with your not returning and inadvertently reinforcing your dog’s anxious behavior would be just as effective. Put another way, Jerry’s recommendation although effective, probably only for some cases of separation anxiety, is superstitious because Jerry has not conducted research to discover the necessary and sufficient conditions for the procedure’s effectiveness.  We can also ask "why" at the physiological level. I completed a preliminary examination in the physiology of behavior some 30 years ago, so I am not competent to describe the physiological and neurological processes that mediate the procedure’s effectiveness. Indeed, I believe that many of the neuroscientists in my department could not PRECISELY describe what is involved.  But Jerry repeatedly makes the claim that his "black box" or his training method stimulate’s a dog’s learning centers. He, of course, provides no research to support this claim. Does Jerry know something about dog training? Yes. Can you learn something from Jerry if you are new to dog training? Yes. But IMHO, Jerry spends more time attacking other sources of advice here on rpdb and in his manual, than does he offer effective advice. Moreover, much of the explanation that he offers as to why his procedures work, for example, the learning center explanation, is bogus. I have learned much here from Diane Blackman, Cindy Moore, Avrama Gingold, Ludwig Smith, Paulette, Steve Boyer, and others but nothing from Jerry Howe.  My 87 year-old Aunt Vivian is fond of saying time is precious.  May we not waste our precious time,  Marshall Newsgroups: rec.pets.dogs.behavior View complete thread (230 articles) writes: > -snip headers etc. > Yes. you’re right, I really should find the book.. they don’t have these books > in the local pet stores I frequent, where do you find Koehler? >I got a nice large print copy from Amazon.com >Richard

  Please try Powell’s Books in Portland Oregon. Their URL is:                     http://www.powells.com/   Unlike Amazon.com, Powell’s keeps both new and used books on   its shelves. You can order books via e-email.                      Koehler Method Of Dog Training                      by Koehler, W R                      Published by HOWELL BOOK HOUSE (0876056575, 1973)                      Section: Pets-Dog Training                      In Stock: 2 at $12.00                      Hardcover; Used – Standard Condition; Location:                               Beaverton                      Reviews and/or bibliographic information                      Koehler Method Of Dog Training                      by Koehler, W R                      Published by HOWELL BOOK HOUSE (0876056575, 1973)                      Section: Pets-Dogs General                      In Stock: 1 at $9.95                      Hardcover; Used – Standard Condition; Location:                      Hawthorne                      Reviews and/or bibliographic information      Powell’s is an independent book seller that is well-positioned      to battle amazon.com, Barnes & Noble, etc. Powell’s main      store in Portland, OR has a one square block "foot print" and      is three stories tall. If you are thinking of buying new or      used books—-think Powell’s!                         http://www.powells.com/      –Marshall      PS: My sister-in-law is the manager of the main Powell’s          Books in Portland. > May I suggest you use a killfile if you plan to read this group. > Mine looks as follows: > –Marshall

<snip professor lying doc dermer’s killfile> > I have read rpdb for about five years.

Yes, professor. For five years you’ve done nothing but ridicule every competent non violent trainer who’se ever posted here. You’ve told people to killfile me, Marilyn, Canis55, and others who disagree with HURTING dogs, professor descartes. > Consequently,

Consequently, our professor lying doc dermer cannot discuss non force training methods, because that would make him out to be a liar and a hypocrite, People. > I urge newbies to attend to the civil and rational posts of the > rpdb regulars from whom I have learned much.

Yes, professor. Our Gang Of Thugs. Now let’s continue and see – Hide quoted text — Show quoted text -> I have read rpdb for about five years. Consequently, I urge > newbies to attend to the civil and rational posts of the rpdb > regulars from whom I have learned much. They include: Ann > (,Twzl, Sligo & Roy) (SHOCKS DOGS), Amy Dahl (SHOCKS, > BEATS, CHOKES, TWISTS & PINCHES), Diane Blackman > (KOEHLER FAN), jdoee (a rank amature, never contributed > anything worthwhile,), Janet Boss (CHOKES, KILLS, wants to > SHOCK but don’t know enough yet), Susan Fraser (SHOCKS, > BEATS, CHOKES), Avrama Gingold (CHIN CUFF DON’T MEAN > SLAP, CHOKES, would shock but she’s too cheap to buy a shock > collar), Nancy Holmes (loves her SHOCK FENCE), Lynn ("I LOVE > KOEHLER") Kosmakos, SHOCKS, CHOKES, BEATS, KILLS), Bob > Maida (I’ve got $100.00 reward for any five dog behavior posts of > his) (SAYS KILLFILE JERRY, DON’T LET THE DOG DO THAT, > RECOMMENDS KOEHLER, CINDYMOOREON’S WEB SITE) and > when he said he’d endorse my methods if I’d lay off you > bums and I told him to post excellent information and I’d have > nothing to criticize, he began telling people I’m a wanted child > molestor), MaryBeth (noted liar, her dogs eat poo out of each > other’s butts so she can’t chase them away from it),

Hey dude, I’m getting tired of making all these notes next to the names of dog abusers we’ve got here, and it ain’t gettin no better, so I’m moving on… > Ruth Mays,  Cindy Tittle Moore, Robin Nuttall, Denna Pace, John > Richardson, Sarah Sionnach, Ludwig Smith, Jane Webb, and Terri > Willis.

Well La Di Da! Every one of them except nuttall and jdoee, are dog abusing Thugs or liars or both. The two noted exceptions aren’t exactly the sharpest knives in the drawer, either. HOWEver I don’t consider them to be dog abusers or liars, based on their posts. >      Marshall Lev Dermer/Associate Professor/Behavior Analysis > Specialty/ Department of Psychology/University of > Wisconsin–Milwaukee/ >                         Milwaukee, WI 53201

HOWEver, about yourself professor? You’re both. Tell us HOWE you punish the dog’s behavior without punishing the dog, professor? That’s why your little dog masturbates on your couch pillows, professor. He does that for one of two reasons. Either he does it because of stress induced by punishment, or he’s doing it because of allelomimetic behavior. >  "If I am not for myself, who will be for me. But if I am only >   for myself, what am I?" >           _The Talmud_

You endorse the koehler method and the above mentioned Thugs who choke, shock, and beat dogs with sticks, professor. I wonder what your Talmud would say about that? I think the Talmud would say you’re a schmuck, professor. Your pal, Jerry.

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