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Now I am rubbing vitamin E into her. She’s allowed to WALK for 5 minutes at a time. How do I do dat? Don’t say leash — she hasn’t yet learned not to pull, and shoves really hard with her hind legs. Now isn’t a good time to do the ole turn-around-and-go-the-other way trick. I don’t want to chance her falling. She has two speeds — sleep and zoom. Jane Webb  & Moonpie & Raisin Pie

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> Now I am rubbing vitamin E into her. She’s allowed to WALK for 5 minutes at a > time. > How do I do dat? > Don’t say leash — she hasn’t yet learned not to pull, and shoves really hard > with her hind legs. Now isn’t a good time to do the ole > turn-around-and-go-the-other way trick. I don’t want to chance her falling. > She has two speeds — sleep and zoom.

Maybe really big rubber bands criss-crossing around her legs? Kristine & Oscar

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> Now I am rubbing vitamin E into her. She’s allowed to WALK for 5 minutes at a > time. > How do I do dat? > Don’t say leash — she hasn’t yet learned not to pull, and shoves really hard > with her hind legs. Now isn’t a good time to do the ole > turn-around-and-go-the-other way trick. I don’t want to chance her falling. > She has two speeds — sleep and zoom.

The turn around trick doesn’t work for all dogs anyway.  My method with Tanith was to note what she really wanted was to be moving.  The direction didn’t matter. So if she pulled I took away from her what she wanted – I stopped moving.  Made like a rock.  I didn’t talk to her either. No attention and can’t go no where, bummer.  The moment the least became loose I started moving.  Yay! reward for a loose leash. It took little effort beyond exercising a great deal of patience. Diane Blackman http://www.dog-play.com/  http://www.dog-play.com/TOTE.html Re: Jerry Howe http://www.dog-play.com/jerry.html Falling short of a goal of "excellent" leaves room for "very good." Falling short of a goal of "good enough" leaves only "not good enough."

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Maybe a harness, so it could also help support her if she stumbles?  Harness are known for making pulling worse, though.  jdoee – Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – > Now I am rubbing vitamin E into her. She’s allowed to WALK for 5 minutes at a > time. > How do I do dat? > Don’t say leash — she hasn’t yet learned not to pull, and shoves really hard > with her hind legs. Now isn’t a good time to do the ole > turn-around-and-go-the-other way trick. I don’t want to chance her falling. > She has two speeds — sleep and zoom. > Jane Webb >  & Moonpie & Raisin Pie

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  Is the excitement of going for a WALK!! too much?  Mebbe she better just mosey about the yard for a while?

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> Now I am rubbing vitamin E into her. She’s allowed to WALK for 5 minutes at a > time. > How do I do dat? > Don’t say leash — she hasn’t yet learned not to pull, and shoves really hard > with her hind legs. Now isn’t a good time to do the ole > turn-around-and-go-the-other way trick. I don’t want to chance her falling. > She has two speeds — sleep and zoom. > Jane Webb >  & Moonpie & Raisin Pie

It would be preferable to train the dog to heel BECAUSE she is hurt, so she doesn’t injure herself some more, and so that she can get the exercise and range of movement she needs, to recuperate from surgery… If you didn’t turn about and jerk and choke the dog, you’d be able to train her to heel as long as she is able to walk… But all you understand is jerk, choke, and shock. Jerry.

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Hello blackman,

> The turn around trick doesn’t work for all dogs anyway.

Says who, YOU? What would you know about it? Your own dog has been a chronic puller for five solid years, despite all the jerking and choking him with a pronged choke collar neatly disguised under a knitted cover-up, and burning him with a shock collar… > My method with Tanith was to note what she really wanted was

to be > moving. I’m sure. She’d be wanting to be moving ANYWHERE far away from you. The reason the turn around TRICK as you call it doesn’t work for you is BECAUSE THE DOG WOULDN’T WANT TO BE WITH YOU because you JERK and CHOKE him. You can’t have it both ways blackman. You can’t jerk and choke a dog and expect him to want to be with you. If cavemen treated dogs the way you do, we’d never have a domestic dog. > The direction didn’t matter.  So if she pulled I took away from her > what  she wanted – I stopped moving.  Made like a rock.  I didn’t talk > to her either. No attention and can’t go no where, bummer. The > moment the least became loose I started moving.  Yay! reward for a > loose leash. It took little effort beyond exercising a great deal of > patience.

Yes, indeed. You could spend weeks doing that STILL without teaching the dog to heel, because there’s no continuity, you aren’t giving any message to the dog about heeling, you aren’t commanding the dog’s attention, you’re not conditioning the dog to WANT to be near you… ALL you are doing is restraining the dog, and that might even make the situation worse. > Diane Blackman > http://www.dog-play.com/  http://www.dog-play.com/TOTE.html > Re: Jerry Howe http://www.dog-play.com/jerry.html > Falling short of a goal of "excellent" leaves room for "very good." > Falling short of a goal of "good enough" leaves only "not

good enough." Good. I’m glad to see I’m back in your sig file again. I’ll have to have a look-see to find out if it’s been updated nicely. Didn’t you say you don’t know enough about behavior and training to be able to clean up the lousy information on your web site? You’ve got a disclaimer to that effect. FUNNY HOWE you aren’t able to DISCERN good training information from bad on your crummy web site, and yet you come here and run your ignorant yap about things YOU ADMIT that you do not know enough about to EVEN DETERMINE GOOD INFORMATION from BAD… That’s just for STARTERS. I gather from a pryor post that your Oso won’t retrieve, but will chase critters. I presume that is the dog we’re talking about. So, you want to teach him to retrieve? And you are anxious to get into the ear pinch method of forced retrieve, rather than picking up that book and studying it to get an insight into what may be beneficial for getting Oso to enjoy retrieving? You even have another dog that happily does that behavior. You don’t suppose you could figure out some way to engage Oso at the same time you are getting some retrieves from the other dog? Ever heard of allelomimetic behavior? Or maybe you don’t believe in it, like your pal jean donaldson who doubts it’s existence? Perhaps that because as a trainer we believe we must take control. Control is etheric. A military coupe gets control, but the fighting may continue. The kind of control we should strive for is through compliance, because our subjects want to do everything we ask, the first time. Like in a good marriage. The both partners work harder at satisfying the other partners needs and desires, and there can never be an obstacle. The same foundation can be built with your dogs as with your mate or your child. Behavior is behavior, and how our behavior effects our relationships, dictates the success of those relationships. For all that you seem to know, you don’t seem to know or understand some of the most basic fundamentals of dogs or behavior, like motivation or reward. You think of rewards in terms of food, to appeal to your gut level instinct, where your character and personality are most comfortable, rather than the higher resources available, were you not grounded at a low level of consciousness. Your focus is on the micro, the act of manifesting a behavior, the minutia of making something happen. You overlook the most important aspects of dog behavior, and totally disregard and disrespect Nature. Canis55 tried to tell you about drive flows. You people totally misunderstood the use of them. The concept was too simple for your complex minds, and one of  the most easily accessed and valuable tools are overlooked. You have to think in more than one direction. We are working with a living, thinking, being, A WORKING PARTNER, not a piece of steel. Your focus should be to step back and examine how the retrieve fits into the normal consciousness of a dog, how the retrieve fits into the normal course of events in the dog’s instinct and life, and HOWE we can foster that. These factors allow the full spectrum of your dog’s thinking and instinct to be molded, to shape a particular behavior. Your desire to accomplish the end goal is so myopic, and your need for instant gratification so intense, that you complicate matters and make a  chore of getting the most from your dog, and subvert your efforts by compelling the dog to not WANT to participate. Sure, you may get him to do the retrieve against his will, but if you take your guard off of him, he may defect and not participate. That is why you are so strong on the idea of proofing and reliability. It equates to a lack of trust. Consistent, positive reinforcement and praise are the only effective tools that will teach your dog to do anything you ask because he WANTS to. Jerry. j;~}

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Yay, Raisin! Even better than Vitamin E for scar prevention and wound healing is emu oil.  I kid you not.  Git thee to a health-foods store. Tracy Landauer – Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – > Now I am rubbing vitamin E into her. She’s allowed to WALK for 5 minutes at a > time. > How do I do dat? > Don’t say leash — she hasn’t yet learned not to pull, and shoves really hard > with her hind legs. Now isn’t a good time to do the ole > turn-around-and-go-the-other way trick. I don’t want to chance her falling. > She has two speeds — sleep and zoom. > Jane Webb >  & Moonpie & Raisin Pie

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Same way I loose leash trained Coda as well… Just stop moving, he got the idea really quickly, when I added the "Good walk w/ me"  (Which is the "code" for Loose leash walking) Now…I don’t even have to say "Walk!" here…I come home from work and by the time I get my dress shoes off and changed into jeans, the dogs are surrounding me, bouncing up & down!   When I grab their leashes, they practically start to hyperventilate!  *laugh* Sometimes when I’m trying to keep it more "low-key", I’ll leave the leashes in the back-seat of my car & grab them on the way….but sometimes this backfires, ’cause Guiness gets quick & tries to hop in before I get the door shut! Shelly, Coda & Guiness….

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> Yay, Raisin! > Even better than Vitamin E for scar prevention and wound healing is emu > oil.  I kid you not.  Git thee to a health-foods store. > Tracy Landauer

Hey Tracy… Emu oil work for pregnancy stretch marks too?? (Not for me, mind you…just asking!)  *grin* Shelly, Coda & Guiness…

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Though I’ll never know on a personal experiential basis all of my kids will forever have 4 laigs!, ostensibly it could, I suppose.  I’ll ask my friend who raises emus and sells the oil. Tracy – Hide quoted text — Show quoted text -> Yay, Raisin! > Even better than Vitamin E for scar prevention and wound healing is emu > oil.  I kid you not.  Git thee to a health-foods store. > Tracy Landauer > Hey Tracy… > Emu oil work for pregnancy stretch marks too?? > (Not for me, mind you…just asking!)  *grin* > Shelly, Coda & Guiness…

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> > Yay, Raisin! > Even better than Vitamin E for scar prevention and wound healing is emu > oil.  I kid you not.  Git thee to a health-foods store.

Went to a farm forum a couple of years ago at the new facility for the Snake River Stampede in Nampa, and saw LOTS of products from Emu’s and Ostrich’s. > Hey Tracy… > Emu oil work for pregnancy stretch marks too?? > (Not for me, mind you…just asking!)  *grin*

Can’t say for sure, *I* think it has to do with genetics, and skin elasticity, etc… but then, I’m always the cynic and skeptic. Terri BTW, congratulations Raisin-Pie! YourMom is in for a wild ride NOW! BG!

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Quote:  It took little effort beyond exercising a great deal of patience. Purty good. I do a good rock. Can’t have her pulling yet, though — too much strain on the hinder laigs. Got her a 4×4 Xpen. She can move around a little, and doesn’t have to hunch when she sits (her own crate is pretty small, with a big cushy pillow in it). Jane Webb  & Moonpie & Raisin Pie

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Quote:  Mebbe she better just mosey about the yard for a while? Don’t have a yard. WALK means outside — driveway and beside the drive are the only flat, non-tree-and-rock-filled places. That’s a walk. Too much excitement — zipmunks, deer, WIND blowing the grass — all sorts of stuff. Jane Webb  & Moonpie & Raisin Pie

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Quote: emu oil.  I kid you not. Have noticed when patting them, their fevvers are really greazy — oil from fevvers, or rendering down the — uh — emu’s person? Jane Webb  & Moonpie & Raisin Pie

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Dunno what the deal with that is.  I’ve got a friend who raises them in Georgia for the meat and the oil, and apparently the latter is more valuable at this point, as there are few plants in the U.S. that process the meat.  The oil has all sorts of emollient properties, he says.  I’ve used the oil on cuts ‘n stuff (on the dawgs, too), and am impressed. Tracy – Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – > Quote: > emu > oil.  I kid you not. > Have noticed when patting them, their fevvers are really greazy — oil from > fevvers, or rendering down the — uh — emu’s person? > Jane Webb >  & Moonpie & Raisin Pie

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