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>"Short of a hunting rifle with night sight, what can I do to keep dogs > away from me.  For one thing, the dogs should have been on a leash. > They were certainly going to bite me.  I’d rather not carry a handgun > while I run or even while I’m walking to work, say.  I have nothing > against dogs.  But what can I do to protect myself against dogs which > their moronic owners leave free to run around and kill people.  I guess > pepper spray would work, what else would protect me and send the right > message? >                 "

O.k–How do you know that the dogs were going to bite you? The dogs didn’t come within biting distance and the owner called them off..Perhaps the owner didn’t even see you there. I think you might be jumpin’ the gun here (pun intended) fella. Many dogs are well-behaved off-leash and not many have their sights set on "running around and killing people". C

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I am curious as to why this was posted on a REVENGE group, >rather than a dog behavior group?

Why am I not surprised that Ken has crossposted this to the dog groups ?? Trying to get a flame war going Kennybaby ?? I was going to delete the dog group, but wanted anyone here reading this to know that Ken has done this for that reason, typical of him. I would recommend ignoring the post……as, if you look in alt.revenge, you will see that most of the stuff posted there, is incendiary, and not needing a reply from us dog lovers. MB

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the dog behavior >group as well, although a number of us on alt.revenge are quite >skilled at training animals.

Yes, but it could have been worded differently, if the person chose to, for sending to the dog groups. Ken makes a habit of doin this, crossposting when he thinks he will get a rise out of the group. >Now, as to your personality and method of polite discussion – well, >you are lacking in certain areas.  Actually, almost all of them, but >we don’t want a flame war do we?  So I’ll just call myself an >ass-kissing bitch and save you the time.

hehehe <G> Now, hey there, I know Ken has a crush on me, you tryin to steal him ??? From MB (one ass kissin bitch to another<G>) >Loki >Custom facts available at reasonable prices.  Slight surcharge for

accuracy.

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- Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – > x-no-archive:yes > Yesterday, I went to the running track at night.  I thought I’d get a > few miles and go home.  I noticed that there were dark figures in the > distance and as I approached the unlit track, I made out that there was > a man and at least one dog.  As I got closer, I had the feeling that I > was in danger, and then I heard the sounds of two collars heading toward > me, and of course, by this time I could actually hear the dogs running. > I still couldn’t make out the big black dogs, and upon appealing to the > owner (in the far distance), he was kind enough to call off his bloody > dogs (not 10 feet away from me) which I understand (in the good old USA) > have the right to bite anyone they please. > Short of a hunting rifle with night sight, what can I do to keep dogs > away from me.  For one thing, the dogs should have been on a leash. > They were certainly going to bite me.  I’d rather not carry a handgun > while I run or even while I’m walking to work, say.  I have nothing > against dogs.  But what can I do to protect myself against dogs which > their moronic owners leave free to run around and kill people.  I guess > pepper spray would work, what else would protect me and send the right > message? > Thanks in advance for suggestions. > The last time I checked dogs here in the USA do not have the right to > bite you. I am curious as to why this was posted on a REVENGE group, > rather than a dog behavior group? > You have already answered your question: Use the mace/pepper spray when > you feel you may be attacked. > You can also report this type of incident to your local animal control > division. Responsible dog owners wouldn’t allow their animals to run > loose and bite. > (ken)

What kind of suggestions are you soliciting?? How to kill dogs? No thanks. Why do you run in areas that are not well lit at night? You could have avoided this entire situation.                         RB

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> You have already answered your question: Use the mace/pepper spray when > you feel you may be attacked.

Ditto.  Carry a 3+ oz. can of 10% pepper spray with you; don’t fool with "dog repellant" sprays; they’re useless, usually containing 0.5% OC. Bonus: 10% OC will work great on humans as well…which you’ll need 5 seconds after spraying the dog, as the owner will likely want to kiss your ass off plant Earth. Keep in mind though…spray the eyes only, and that 10% will blind the dog permanantly.  Use wisely.   JD & The Bear

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>> You have already answered your question: Use the mace/pepper spray when > you feel you may be attacked. >Ditto.  Carry a 3+ oz. can of 10% pepper spray with you; don’t fool with >"dog repellant" sprays; they’re useless, usually containing 0.5% OC. >Bonus: 10% OC will work great on humans as well…which you’ll need 5 >seconds after spraying the dog, as the owner will likely want to kiss >your ass off plant Earth. >Keep in mind though…spray the eyes only, and that 10% will blind the >dog permanantly.  Use wisely.  

My dog bit open a can of 10% pepper spray, ‘grenading’ the entire living area. My brother and I were miserable — he couldn’t open an eye, was spewing snot, coughing, etc.  My eyes and throat were burning pretty bad.  He was hit directly but not in the face.  I was just exposed to the saturated air. The dog presumably got a decent hit with the stuff.  He didn’t act as if he cared in the least. I doubt that 10% pepper spray will blind a dog permanently.   Interesting fact: police dogs were not adversely affected in their ability to search out stuff and bite and hold folks by pepper spray.  Wish I had a cite for this at this point but I have no idea where I saw this at this point. — Craig Johnston                          "Windows 1984"

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>> Short of a hunting rifle with night sight, what can I do to keep dogs > away from me.  For one thing, the dogs should have been on a leash.

Perhaps easier said than done, but try not fearing them.  Dogs will try to bluff you.  Most of them see you as larger than they. Since I got my GSD-x (a pretty physical and intimidating to many dog) and got familiar with his signals, I’ve found that I have little fear of most big dogs — and they seem to know it. — Craig Johnston                          "Windows 1984"

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[...] >Interesting fact: police dogs were not adversely affected in their >ability to search out stuff and bite and hold folks by pepper >spray.  

[...] Not true, Craig, if it’s the right kind of oleoresin capsicum  ("OC") pepper spray in the mix normally used by the police, postal service workers, etc. Not all OC pepper sprays are alike.  It depends on things like their "heat units," etc. And most people can the get the "right" kinda stuff in any gunshop or hardware store.  Just do a little asking around beforehand. But always remember that it really doesn’t matter how *strong* the spray is if you can’t *hit* anything with it, eh? Anyone contemplating using OC spray should be prepared to spend some time practicing how to use it. (They have practice sprays for that purpose, containing only harmless and inert ingredients.] — Dogman Dogman’s *New* Web Site http://www.i1.net/~dogman Dogman’s Book Recommendations http://www.i1.net/~dogman/books.htm Jerry "The Shyster" Howe’s REAL Web Site http://www.i1.net/~dogman/scam.htm

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>[...] >Interesting fact: police dogs were not adversely affected in their >ability to search out stuff and bite and hold folks by pepper >spray.   >[...] >Not true, Craig, if it’s the right kind of oleoresin capsicum  ("OC") >pepper spray in the mix normally used by the police, postal service >workers, etc.

Well, whether it’s true or not is rather open to debate, as neither of us has furnished anything substantiative. >Not all OC pepper sprays are alike.  It depends on things like their >"heat units," etc.

Right.  The pepper spray I mentioned in my anecdote about my dog pepper spraying us all was the strongest stuff I could find — 10% OC at the highest number of heat units I could find, BTW. It wasn’t the lousy foam either. Didn’t seem to bother my dog much.  How severely he was hit is not certain, however, but there is no doubt he caught at least one halfway decent blast in the mouth area when he bit the sucker open — it was fresh, and had only been test fired briefly once or twice. I’ll see if I can’t find the study I mentioned about police dogs. — Craig Johnston                          "Windows 1984"

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Go to garden store and buy spray called xp20. Good for cat too. Zap animal with this compound and he will think his worst alpha nightmaire just pissed his face! He will be sorry and even the biggest dog will escape you. Like a punch in the face to evil dog.

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Beautiful. Gonna run right out and get me suma dat… Bye! Jerry Howe http://www.doggydoright.com – Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – > Go to garden store and buy spray called xp20. > Good for cat too. > Zap animal with this compound and he will think his worst alpha nightmaire > just pissed his face! > He will be sorry and even the biggest dog will escape you. > Like a punch in the face to evil dog.

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