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- Hide quoted text — Show quoted text -> >There is a link to a review from a purchaser of the ddr in > this group. > >Does he get the money? He said it didn’t work, and he was > returning it, but > >it does seem to exist. > He hasn’t applied for the reward. > — > Mark Shaw (and Maggie) PGP public key at > Hello markie, > That’s because he is not on my records as a customer…
I know you lie about me jer so I figure you are lying about this as well. EdW http://Petloss.com
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>There is a link to a review from a purchaser of the ddr in this group. >Does he get the money? He said it didn’t work, and he was returning it, but >it does seem to exist. > He hasn’t applied for the reward. > — > Mark Shaw (and Maggie) PGP public key at
Hello markie, That’s because he is not on my records as a customer… You are a weasel. Margaret won your "reward." You reneged. You are not interested in proving anything. You are a koehler trainer, and you approve of HANGING dogs to rehabilitate them. "read koehler for content" is what you’ve said… WHAT CONTENT? BEATING DOGS? CHOKING DOGS? HANGING DOGS? Apr 25, 05:59 PM Margaret Hoffman Message 1 of 19 Doggy Do Right and Jerry Howe I just recently looked at this newsgroup and I found it incredible. I do have a Doggy Do Right and have had it for about one year. It truly does work – at least on my Dobe, Chelsea. Chelsea was the unhappy recipient of several failed attempts at obedience training, both in a "class" environment and with a personal trainer. She is very high spirited and strong and, unfortunately, spoiled, since we are an older couple who doted on our dog. We were lucky enough to find Jerry Howe and to not only buy a Doggy Do Right, but to also have him personally work with Chelsea. His methods are wonderful and effective. Chelsea is not a dog that you will bully, and I wouldn’t dream of hurting her. After Jerry spent time with her, she no longer jumped on furniture, ate food off the counter, pulled me incessantly on the leash. She is calmer and we are all happier. Well, it is a very long story and I won’t bore you with all the details, but suffice it to say that Jerry Howe saved the day for our dog and for us. Marge Hoffman P.S. You can send me the reward money, but I won’t sell you my DDR! Another poster with pit bulls and feral cat rescue writes: Hi Jerry, Well, we have been running Doggy Do Right for awhile (3 weeks) now and would appear that it is working. We are still on the lowest setting but my cat aggressive dog is now much calmer with the little fur balls getting near her. Not perfect but much improved! I do think that you need a more universal name as it appears to have drastically cut the spraying problem down that we have with our crowded cat situation. I am going to send an e-mail to Domesti-Cats club, Feral Cat Network and Space Cats Club as a lot of the members have some of the same problems with their cats. It has also lessened the number of nightly cat fights. Thanks, elaine Hi, Lowest setting to us is when the machine is on the least number of times during the day. We are going to try putting it on the next setting and see if that will completely solve our problems. We are holding our breath at this point on the spraying and hoping that BIOSOUND continues to work. Will let you know. Yes, feel free to use my post. If you sell to people with cat spray problems though you might want to recommend that they do what we did. We went through the house with BacTerminator an enzyme product that eats the cat urine. We have used Bac T. for a long time and it usually only slows them down for a week or two, so I know it is the BIOSOUND that has created the success we are seeing right now. We were resigned to constant cleaning and even then it was difficult to keep up with. I don’t know if you have forgotten but we have 19 cats. Elaine
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– Hide quoted text — Show quoted text -> [This is not spam - I'm offering a reward, not a product or service.] > (NOTE: new info as of 23 June 2000: two more RPDB readers have each > kicked in another $20, and we’ve decided to split the total, so there > are now actually *two* rewards. As outlined in the emailed autoreply, > one person is already first in line for one of them. The other is up > Have you purchased a Doggy Do Right? Or do you know someone who has? > If so, you could earn yourself $40 just for proving it! > (If you don’t know what I’m talking about, take another look at the > newsgroup. The "inventor" only posts about a gazillion ads for this > thing every week, in addition to his other spew.) > The thing is, I don’t think that the Doggy Do Right device even exists, > except in the diseased mind of Jerry Howe. And I’m willing to pay the > first person who can prove me wrong $20 in secure funds. Not only that, > but another regular poster (who wishes to remain anonymous) has agreed > to kick in another $20! It’s like getting a $40 rebate! (I’ll pay the > entire $40 myself, and take care of collecting the remainder from the > other poster.) > And if you *don’t* wish to go through the hassle of proving that you > do indeed have a DDR, we’ll *buy* the thing outright. It’s like > recovering 40% of a worthless investment! the following > text string in your subject line: "sendme ddr reward terms" — case and > spaces are important. You’ll get an automatically-generated email > response laying everything out. > Aside: this offer has been in effect for months. And another regular > poster has actually *ordered* one of these things from Howe, by credit > card, only to have her order ignored well after the expiration of the > claimed 30-day delivery period. My theory that there’s no such thing > as a Doggy Do Right seems to be panning out. > — > Mark Shaw (and Maggie) PGP public key at
ftp.netcom.com:/pub/ms/mshaw . Hello mark, You are a weasel. Margaret won your "reward." You reneged. You are not interested in proving anything. You are a koehler trainer, and you approve of HANGING dogs to rehabilitate them. "read koehler for content" is what you’ve said… WHAT CONTENT? BEATING DOGS? CHOKING DOGS? HANGING DOGS? Apr 25, 05:59 PM Margaret Hoffman Message 1 of 19 Doggy Do Right and Jerry Howe I just recently looked at this newsgroup and I found it incredible. I do have a Doggy Do Right and have had it for about one year. It truly does work – at least on my Dobe, Chelsea. Chelsea was the unhappy recipient of several failed attempts at obedience training, both in a "class" environment and with a personal trainer. She is very high spirited and strong and, unfortunately, spoiled, since we are an older couple who doted on our dog. We were lucky enough to find Jerry Howe and to not only buy a Doggy Do Right, but to also have him personally work with Chelsea. His methods are wonderful and effective. Chelsea is not a dog that you will bully, and I wouldn’t dream of hurting her. After Jerry spent time with her, she no longer jumped on furniture, ate food off the counter, pulled me incessantly on the leash. She is calmer and we are all happier. Well, it is a very long story and I won’t bore you with all the details, but suffice it to say that Jerry Howe saved the day for our dog and for us. Marge Hoffman P.S. You can send me the reward money, but I won’t sell you my DDR! Another poster with pit bulls and feral cat rescue writes: Hi Jerry, Well, we have been running Doggy Do Right for awhile (3 weeks) now and would appear that it is working. We are still on the lowest setting but my cat aggressive dog is now much calmer with the little fur balls getting near her. Not perfect but much improved! I do think that you need a more universal name as it appears to have drastically cut the spraying problem down that we have with our crowded cat situation. I am going to send an e-mail to Domesti-Cats club, Feral Cat Network and Space Cats Club as a lot of the members have some of the same problems with their cats. It has also lessened the number of nightly cat fights. Thanks, elaine Hi, Lowest setting to us is when the machine is on the least number of times during the day. We are going to try putting it on the next setting and see if that will completely solve our problems. We are holding our breath at this point on the spraying and hoping that BIOSOUND continues to work. Will let you know. Yes, feel free to use my post. If you sell to people with cat spray problems though you might want to recommend that they do what we did. We went through the house with BacTerminator an enzyme product that eats the cat urine. We have used Bac T. for a long time and it usually only slows them down for a week or two, so I know it is the BIOSOUND that has created the success we are seeing right now. We were resigned to constant cleaning and even then it was difficult to keep up with. I don’t know if you have forgotten but we have 19 cats. Elaine
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Are you kidding? This bum doesn’t know enough not to hurt dogs to train them, and HE’S a professor of behavior… He’s fond of the koehler methods. Evidentially, he thinks HANGING dogs is more rehabilitative for behavior problems than scientific conditioning… He’s a stone, cold, loser, who punishes dogs because they are an affront to his authority… He’s a PUNK. Jerry. j;~}
– Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – (Marshall >Shouldn’t "ninnyboy" be added to the subject line, for you are >writing about Jerry? –Marshall >I have read rpdb for over three years. Consequently, I urge >newbies to attend to the civil and rational posts of the rpdb >regulars from whom I have learned much. They include: Amy Dahl, >Diane Blackman, Janet Boss, Susan Fraser, Avrama Gingold, >Nancy Holmes, Lynn Kosmakos, Bob Maida, Cindy Tittle Moore, >Denna Pace, John Richardson, Sarah Sionnach, Ludwig Smith, >and Terri Willis. >Marshall Lev Dermer/ Department of Psychology/ University of > http://www.uwm.edu/~dermer >"Knowing how things work is the basis for appreciation, >and is thus a source of civilized delight."–William Safire (Mark Shaw) writes: >>>Why don’t you just buy the thing and get it over with??? >>If I could be reasonably certain that Howe would use my $100 to >>refill his meds, I might just do that. >>– >>Mark Shaw (and Maggie) PGP public key at
ftp.netcom.com:/pub/ms/mshaw – Hide quoted text — Show quoted text ->>"Dogs feel very strongly that they should always go with >>you in the car, in case the need should arise for them to >>bark violently at nothing right in your -Dave Barry > Since the header actually deals with Jerry shouldn’t you have the > fucking brains to know not to read it.
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– Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – >Shouldn’t "ninnyboy" be added to the subject line, for you are >writing about Jerry? –Marshall >I have read rpdb for over three years. Consequently, I urge >newbies to attend to the civil and rational posts of the rpdb >regulars from whom I have learned much. They include: Amy Dahl, >Diane Blackman, Janet Boss, Susan Fraser, Avrama Gingold, >Nancy Holmes, Lynn Kosmakos, Bob Maida, Cindy Tittle Moore, >Denna Pace, John Richardson, Sarah Sionnach, Ludwig Smith, >and Terri Willis. >Marshall Lev Dermer/ Department of Psychology/ University of > http://www.uwm.edu/~dermer >"Knowing how things work is the basis for appreciation, >and is thus a source of civilized delight."–William Safire >>Why don’t you just buy the thing and get it over with??? >If I could be reasonably certain that Howe would use my $100 to >refill his meds, I might just do that. >– >Mark Shaw (and Maggie) PGP public key at ftp.netcom.com:/pub/ms/mshaw >"Dogs feel very strongly that they should always go with >you in the car, in case the need should arise for them to >bark violently at nothing right in your ear." -Dave Barry
Since the header actually deals with Jerry shouldn’t you have the fucking brains to know not to read it.
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How can you ask someone else to spend their hard earned money to prove a point if you won’ even do it?? And if you guys don’t like what Jerry Howe says ignore him. It will only get worse the more you talk about it. I have been lurking in this group for sometime and I don’t pay any attention to what Mr. Howe has to say. Jackie
– Hide quoted text — Show quoted text ->Why don’t you just buy the thing and get it over with??? > If I could be reasonably certain that Howe would use my $100 to > refill his meds, I might just do that. > — > Mark Shaw (and Maggie) PGP public key at ftp.netcom.com:/pub/ms/mshaw > "Dogs feel very strongly that they should always go with > you in the car, in case the need should arise for them to > bark violently at nothing right in your ear." -Dave Barry
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>There is a link to a review from a purchaser of the ddr in this group. >Does he get the money? He said it didn’t work, and he was returning it, but >it does seem to exist.
He hasn’t applied for the reward. — Mark Shaw (and Maggie) PGP public key at ftp.netcom.com:/pub/ms/mshaw "Of course dogs can see television, but they have too much good sense to actually watch it." -Ed Gauci
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>Why don’t you just buy the thing and get it over with???
If I could be reasonably certain that Howe would use my $100 to refill his meds, I might just do that. — Mark Shaw (and Maggie) PGP public key at ftp.netcom.com:/pub/ms/mshaw "Dogs feel very strongly that they should always go with you in the car, in case the need should arise for them to bark violently at nothing right in your ear." -Dave Barry
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Shouldn’t "ninnyboy" be added to the subject line, for you are writing about Jerry? –Marshall I have read rpdb for over three years. Consequently, I urge newbies to attend to the civil and rational posts of the rpdb regulars from whom I have learned much. They include: Amy Dahl, Diane Blackman, Janet Boss, Susan Fraser, Avrama Gingold, Nancy Holmes, Lynn Kosmakos, Bob Maida, Cindy Tittle Moore, Denna Pace, John Richardson, Sarah Sionnach, Ludwig Smith, and Terri Willis. Marshall Lev Dermer/ Department of Psychology/ University of http://www.uwm.edu/~dermer "Knowing how things work is the basis for appreciation, and is thus a source of civilized delight."–William Safire – Hide quoted text — Show quoted text ->Why don’t you just buy the thing and get it over with??? >If I could be reasonably certain that Howe would use my $100 to >refill his meds, I might just do that. >– >Mark Shaw (and Maggie) PGP public key at ftp.netcom.com:/pub/ms/mshaw >"Dogs feel very strongly that they should always go with >you in the car, in case the need should arise for them to >bark violently at nothing right in your ear." -Dave Barry
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> Why don’t you just buy the thing and get it over with???
Uhm, because people have bought the thing, and he’s refused to ship it. Lynn K.
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There is a link to a review from a purchaser of the ddr in this group. Does he get the money? He said it didn’t work, and he was returning it, but it does seem to exist.
– Hide quoted text — Show quoted text -> Why don’t you just buy the thing and get it over with??? > Uhm, because people have bought the thing, and he’s refused to > ship it. > Lynn K.
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> There is a link to a review from a purchaser of the ddr in this group. > Does he get the money? He said it didn’t work, and he was returning it, but > it does seem to exist.
Hello Rockflocks, Use you head… > (A purchaser of jerry’s $100 training device has posted a review > Buyer Beware!
That’s an unverified poster. I’ve only got two Phils as buyers of Doggy Do Rigtht (and KITTY WILL TOO), and neither of them are this facetious poster. Here’s a bona fide poster who wrote in to claim the REWARD offered by mark shaw. As I expected, he RENEGED on his deal… Margaret has MET me and TRAINED with me, and RELIES on her Doggy Do Right (and KITTY WILL TOO) to keep her dog CONTENT. Following her post, you’ll find another post from another satisfied Doggy Do Right (and KITTY WILL TOO) owner. That one is a post from the Doggy Do Right owner who advised me that DDR works on cat behavior problems like FIGHTING and SPRAYING… she has a feral cat rescue, and a couple of pit bulls. My black box DOES work like magick to quiet neighborhood barking dogs and stops feral cats from fighting and spraying… My Doggy Do Right (and KITTY WILL TOO) is 100% money back, satisfaction guaranteed FOREVER, and has a two year repair/replace warranty… Shelter and rescue people are entitled to a 25% discount regardless of their tax exempt status. That means that the BIOSOUND Scientific Elves are making their charitable discount possible with no incentive from Uncle Sam…and BIOSOUND Scientific pays all return shipping. So, if my DDR does not do for you what I promise, it will cost you NOTHING. BIOSOUND Scientific has been duly licensed in Orange County, FL, for two years, and has NEVER had a complaint. There’s as many more similar posts as you can possibly ask for. I resent using my good Doggy Do Right (and KITTY WILL TOO) clientele as ”testimonials," but Margaret wrote in to the news group herself, and Elaine was impressed enough with her Doggy Do Right (and KITTY WILL TOO) that she wants everyone else to benefit as she and her animals have. I’m sure you will want to verify the authenticity of the posters below, but unless you can find a respectable person to do that for you, I’m not interested in providing any personal information to the bums like yourself, who can’t control themselves from hurting dogs and are only interested in protecting their alleged right to hurt dogs to train them. Apr 25, 05:59 PM Margaret Hoffman Message 1 of 19 Doggy Do Right and Jerry Howe I just recently looked at this newsgroup and I found it incredible. I do have a Doggy Do Right and have had it for about one year. It truly does work – at least on my Dobe, Chelsea. Chelsea was the unhappy recipient of several failed attempts at obedience training, both in a "class" environment and with a personal trainer. She is very high spirited and strong and, unfortunately, spoiled, since we are an older couple who doted on our dog. We were lucky enough to find Jerry Howe and to not only buy a Doggy Do Right, but to also have him personally work with Chelsea. His methods are wonderful and effective. Chelsea is not a dog that you will bully, and I wouldn’t dream of hurting her. After Jerry spent time with her, she no longer jumped on furniture, ate food off the counter, pulled me incessantly on the leash. She is calmer and we are all happier. Well, it is a very long story and I won’t bore you with all the details, but suffice it to say that Jerry Howe saved the day for our dog and for us. Marge Hoffman P.S. You can send me the reward money, but I won’t sell you my DDR! Another poster with pit bulls and feral cat rescue writes: Hi Jerry, Well, we have been running Doggy Do Right for awhile (3 weeks) now and would appear that it is working. We are still on the lowest setting but my cat aggressive dog is now much calmer with the little fur balls getting near her. Not perfect but much improved! I do think that you need a more universal name as it appears to have drastically cut the spraying problem down that we have with our crowded cat situation. I am going to send an e-mail to Domesti-Cats club, Feral Cat Network and Space Cats Club as a lot of the members have some of the same problems with their cats. It has also lessened the number of nightly cat fights. Thanks, elaine Hi, Lowest setting to us is when the machine is on the least number of times during the day. We are going to try putting it on the next setting and see if that will completely solve our problems. We are holding our breath at this point on the spraying and hoping that BIOSOUND continues to work. Will let you know. Yes, feel free to use my post. If you sell to people with cat spray problems though you might want to recommend that they do what we did. We went through the house with BacTerminator an enzyme product that eats the cat urine. We have used Bac T. for a long time and it usually only slows them down for a week or two, so I know it is the BIOSOUND that has created the success we are seeing right now. We were resigned to constant cleaning and even then it was difficult to keep up with. I don’t know if you have forgotten but we have 19 cats. Elaine BIOSOUND Scientific Doggy Do Right (and KITTY WILL TOO) tm The Little Black Box That Solves Dogs’ Annoying Habits. If It Sounds Too Good To Be True, It’s Probably BIOSOUND Scientific Thank you for your recent inquiry regarding further information about the Doggy Do Right (and KITTY WILL TOO) device. There are special discounts available for humane societies, rescue organizations, and anyone working with rescue, regardless of affiliation with a bona-fide organization. Although I agree that more scientific documentation would be appreciated by some of us, I also realize, that any further information on the web site, might create confusion, anxiety, and undue concern for some individuals. Furthermore, due to the proprietary nature of BIOSOUND Scientific’s technology and research, I chose not to elaborate any further for the general public. The information I have shared with some of the department heads of behavioral science at several top universities was, by their own admission, over their heads, and out of their fields of study. (Physics, behavioral psychology, education, neurobiology, musicology, quantum theory, and other related fields.) The BIOSOUND Scientific Integrator, T. M. Doggy Do Right (and KITTY WILL TOO), is a high-frequency psycho acoustic behavior modification device, a copyright sound program, in some regards, like a Zen meditation or Gregorian Chant. BIOSOUND Scientific’s technology is based on proven scientific and psychological principles (state conditioned learning, the Frequency Following Response to facilitate brain wave entrainment, Pavlovian conditioning and de-conditioning, Neuro Linguistic Programming techniques like matching, pacing, anchoring, and flooding, the Relaxation Response, E.M.D.R., and accelerated learning techniques similar to those of Dr. Lozanov and the Tomatis effect. The recent discovery and acceptance of the "Mozart Effect," is also a substantiating factor. The "Mozart Effect" has been ordered to be made available to pediatric hospitals and new infants being born in the State of Tennessee. Volusia County, in the State of Florida has also recognized the benefit of the "Mozart Effect", and has instituted regulations that provide it, and require licensed day care facilities to use it during a mandatory minimum number of hours daily. The legislatures in the State of Tennessee and Voulsia County, FL were impressed enough to mandate Mozart for children in their jurisdictions. Doggy Do Right (and KITTY WILL TOO) employs complex waveforms that dogs andd cats cannot resist listening to, and people cannot hear. Within two minutes, you will see dogs carefully listening and calm down, as they become entranced, their eyes following the signal. Doggy Do Rights’ (and KITTY WILL TOO) soothing waveform’s at first pace and are soon paced by the parasympathetic nervous system, entraining the brain to follow the waveforms. Within three minutes, most dogs will begin to yawn, perhaps take some water and come to a sit, due to the stimulation of endorphins. Before five minutes have elapsed, most dogs will lay down in a characteristic relaxed manner. You’ll see the movement of their eyes change from rhythmically pacing BIOSOUND Scientific’s waveforms, to now flickering in an alternating inward and upward direction, as the signals change in complexity. This indicates a mental state of arousal, while the body remains relaxed. Every traditional meditation technique strives for this "state of mindfulness". BIOSOUND Scientific’s technology changes behavior by stimulating information brain waveforms on the cerebral cortex, hollographically. Relaxation, entrainment, and the release of brain hormones override a situation or stimulus previously producing anxiety. In other words, we condition new, good information brain wave patterns in association with stressors. Subsequent introduction of such a conditioned stimulus causes the memory of those stressors to be flooded out with new, good information about a given stimulus. Since single brain neurons can not be inhibited and excited at the same time, by flooding the brain with a calming agent, be it narcotic, electric, or as in the case of BIOSOUND, sonic, causes the inhibiting neuro transmitters, such as endorphins, to be locked into receptor sites. This prevents or blocks out the effects of excitatory transmittors, which the limbic system is producing in reaction to anxiety producing external stimuli, such as thunder, etc. Given the correlation between personality patterns and functional brain wave states, it would reason that to alter brain wave … read more »
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Why don’t you just buy the thing and get it over with???
– Hide quoted text — Show quoted text -> [This is not spam - I'm offering a reward, not a product or service.] > (NOTE: new info as of 23 June 2000: two more RPDB readers have each > kicked in another $20, and we’ve decided to split the total, so there > are now actually *two* rewards. As outlined in the emailed autoreply, > one person is already first in line for one of them. The other is up > Have you purchased a Doggy Do Right? Or do you know someone who has? > If so, you could earn yourself $40 just for proving it! > (If you don’t know what I’m talking about, take another look at the > newsgroup. The "inventor" only posts about a gazillion ads for this > thing every week, in addition to his other spew.) > The thing is, I don’t think that the Doggy Do Right device even exists, > except in the diseased mind of Jerry Howe. And I’m willing to pay the > first person who can prove me wrong $20 in secure funds. Not only that, > but another regular poster (who wishes to remain anonymous) has agreed > to kick in another $20! It’s like getting a $40 rebate! (I’ll pay the > entire $40 myself, and take care of collecting the remainder from the > other poster.) > And if you *don’t* wish to go through the hassle of proving that you > do indeed have a DDR, we’ll *buy* the thing outright. It’s like > recovering 40% of a worthless investment! > text string in your subject line: "sendme ddr reward terms" — case and > spaces are important. You’ll get an automatically-generated email > response laying everything out. > Aside: this offer has been in effect for months. And another regular > poster has actually *ordered* one of these things from Howe, by credit > card, only to have her order ignored well after the expiration of the > claimed 30-day delivery period. My theory that there’s no such thing > as a Doggy Do Right seems to be panning out. > — > Mark Shaw (and Maggie) PGP public key at ftp.netcom.com:/pub/ms/mshaw > "In order to keep a true perspective of one’s importance, everyone > should have a dog that will worship him and a cat that will ignore him." > -Dereke Bruce
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BIOSOUND Scientific Doggy Do Right (and KITTY WILL TOO) tm The Little Black Box That Solves Dogs’ Annoying Habits If It Sounds Too Good To Be True, It’s Probably BIOSOUND Scientific Thank you for your recent inquiry regarding further information about the Doggy Do Right (and KITTY WILL TOO) device. There are special discounts available for humane societies, rescue organizations, and anyone working with rescue, regardless of affiliation, with a bona-fide organization. Doggy Do Right (and KITTY WILL TOO) is 100% money back satisfaction guaranteed forever, and has a two year free repair/replacement warranty, and BIOSOUND Scientific pays all return shipping, so if it does not satisfy your needs, it will not cost you one cent. Although I agree that more scientific documentation would be appreciated by some of us, I also realize, that any further information on the web site, might create confusion, anxiety, and undue concern for some individuals. Furthermore, due to the proprietary nature of BIOSOUND Scientific’s technology and research, I chose not to elaborate any further for the general public. The information I have shared with some of the department heads of behavioral science at several top universities was, by their own admission, over their heads, and out of their fields of study. (Physics, behavioral psychology, education, neurobiology, musicology, quantum theory, and other related fields.) The BIOSOUND Scientific Integrator, T. M. Doggy Do Right (and KITTY WILL TOO), is a high-frequency psycho acoustic behavior modification device, a copyright sound program, in some regards, like a Zen meditation or Gregorian Chant. BIOSOUND Scientific’s technology is based on proven scientific and psychological principles (the Frequency Following Response to facilitate brain wave entrainment, Pavlovian conditioning and de-conditioning, Neuro Linguistic Programming techniques like matching, pacing, anchoring, and flooding, the Relaxation Response, and accelerated learning techniques similar to those of Dr. Lozanov and the Tomatis effect. The recent discovery and acceptance of the "Mozart Effect," is also a substantiating factor. The "Mozart Effect" has been ordered to be made available to pediatric hospitals and new infants being born in the State of Tennessee. Volusia County, in the State of Florida has also recognized the benefit of the "Mozart Effect", and has instituted regulations that provide it, and require licensed day care facilities to use it during a mandatory minimum number of hours daily. The legislatures in the State of Tennessee and Voulsia County, FL were impressed enough to mandate Mozart for children in their jurisdictions. Doggy Do Right (and KITTY WILL TOO) employs complex waveforms that dogs cannot resist listening to, and people cannot hear. Within two minutes, you will see dogs carefully listening and calm down, as they become entranced, their eyes following the signal. Doggy Do Right (and KITTY WILL TOO)’s soothing waveforms at first pace and are soon paced by the parasympathetic nervous system, entraining the brain to follow the waveforms. Within three minutes, most dogs will begin to yawn, perhaps take some water and come to a sit, due to the stimulation of endorphins. Before five minutes have elapsed, most dogs will lay down in a characteristic relaxed manner. You’ll see the movement of their eyes change from rhythmically pacing BIOSOUND Scientific’s waveforms, to now flickering in an alternating inward and upward direction, as the signals change in complexity. This indicates a mental state of arousal, while the body remains relaxed. Every traditional meditation technique strives for this "state of mindfulness". BIOSOUND Scientific’s technology changes behavior by stimulating information brain waveforms on the cerebral cortex, hollographically. Relaxation, entrainment, and the release of brain hormones override a situation or stimulus previously producing anxiety. In other words, we condition new, good information brain wave patterns in association with stressors. Subsequent introduction of such a conditioned stimulus causes the memory of those stressors to be flooded out with new, good information about a given stimulus. Since single brain neurons can not be inhibited and excited at the same time, by flooding the brain with a calming agent, be it narcotic, electric, or as in the case of BIOSOUND, sonic, causes the inhibiting neuro transmitters, such as endorphins, to be locked into receptor sites. This prevents or blocks out the effects of excitatory transmittors, which the limbic system is producing in reaction to anxiety producing external stimuli, such as thunder, etc. Given the correlation between personality patterns and functional brain wave states, it would reason that to alter brain wave patterns would facilitate the ability to allow more variations and changes in cognitive states and behavioral responses at the neuronal level. To simplify; we persuade our subject to listen to Doggy Do Right (and KITTY WILL TOO) (flip the switch), and fall into an extremely relaxed state (wait 2-5 min.). Present the stimulus, such as thunder, doorbell, etc. BIOSOUND Scientific’s technology constantly reassures the subject that everything is O.K., and the stimulus is now associated with calm acceptance. Further simulation will consequently stimulate thoughts of calm and well being, thus overriding or flooding the stimulus, which would normally institute a fight or flight reaction. I hope this has provided you with the additional information you requested. If so, please submit your order on the secure order form at http://www.doggydoright.com If it did not, or if you are uncomfortable with, or are unable to use you through the U.S. mail, or provide our toll free phone line to place your order with a live person. Sincerely, Jerry Howe, Director of Research, BIOSOUND Scientific http://www.doggydoright.com
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Hey boob, Margaret Hoffman won fair and square. Jerry.
– Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – (mark shaw) > writes: >The thing is, I don’t think that the Doggy Do Right device even exists, >except in the diseased mind of Jerry Howe. And I’m willing to pay the >first person who can prove me wrong $20 in secure funds. Not only that, >but another regular poster (who wishes to remain anonymous) has agreed >to kick in another $20! It’s like getting a $40 rebate! (I’ll pay the >entire $40 myself, and take care of collecting the remainder from the >other poster.) > Mark, > Add another $20 to that one. I’ll send the $20 when you > privately Email me the evidence. > Something tells me we won’t be laying out the bucks. > One cannot prove a figment of imagination > Caveat Emptor > Bob Maida > Dog Training/Problem Counseling since 1969 > Herndon, Virginia
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>Mark, > Add another $20 to that one. I’ll send the $20 when you >privately Email me the evidence. > Something tells me we won’t be laying out the bucks. >One cannot prove a figment of imagination
I’ll raise the ante another $20, Mark. Same terms as Bob’s. Yikes! $20.00 US? That’s about a million Canuck. The reward is now $80 and climbing – almost a free black box. — –Matt. Rocky’s a Dog.
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– Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – >writes: >The thing is, I don’t think that the Doggy Do Right device even exists, >except in the diseased mind of Jerry Howe. And I’m willing to pay the >first person who can prove me wrong $20 in secure funds. Not only that, >but another regular poster (who wishes to remain anonymous) has agreed >to kick in another $20! It’s like getting a $40 rebate! (I’ll pay the >entire $40 myself, and take care of collecting the remainder from the >other poster.) >Mark, > Add another $20 to that one. I’ll send the $20 when you >privately Email me the evidence. > Something tells me we won’t be laying out the bucks. >One cannot prove a figment of imagination >Caveat Emptor >Bob Maida >Dog Training/Problem Counseling since 1969 >Herndon, Virginia
You are all fools. Larry
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writes: >The thing is, I don’t think that the Doggy Do Right device even exists, >except in the diseased mind of Jerry Howe. And I’m willing to pay the >first person who can prove me wrong $20 in secure funds. Not only that, >but another regular poster (who wishes to remain anonymous) has agreed >to kick in another $20! It’s like getting a $40 rebate! (I’ll pay the >entire $40 myself, and take care of collecting the remainder from the >other poster.)
Mark, Add another $20 to that one. I’ll send the $20 when you privately Email me the evidence. Something tells me we won’t be laying out the bucks. One cannot prove a figment of imagination Caveat Emptor Bob Maida Dog Training/Problem Counseling since 1969 Herndon, Virginia
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And if the sound doesn’t calm them down you can hit them over the head with it. Jerry Howe (Mr Helper) (Mr. Nice Guy) (Honest Abe) Is mentally unstable and ABUSES dogs.he is worse than a SHOCK COLLAR…the proof
"If the dog is trained properly, he does not think of his protection training as fun and games at the big dog park. During a protection class, the dogs temperature should go up to 106 and he should have loose stools within two or three minutes of beginning the lesson." He tortures dogs till they have a temperature of 106 and have the runs. He is also a puppy mill breeder "I grew up in a professional breeding kennel. I’ve owned stud dogs who’ve sired hundreds of puppies. I’ve whelped thousands of puppies" HOWE disgusting you are JERRY Jerry Howe 626 Raleigh St Orlando, FL 32805 407-425-5092 Jerry Howe and his Doggy Do Wrong are being investigated for fraud. http://www.sound.net/~twillis/Harlan/concerns.html http://deja.com/getdoc.xp?AN=516286408W A List of Jerry’s References from the newsgroups "Jerry Howe is a freak… I have my doubts as to whether he has ever even SEEN a dog never mind trained one. " "That’s not a training method. It’s an abuse method. Pray tell, how does this asshole who has no business touching a dog, much less training one, achieve and control the temperature spike? " "Yeah, that’s rich. He’ll make a dog sick enough to die, ON PURPOSE, but ridicules choke chains?" "He’s rude, annoying, obnoxious, and every other word in the book" "Doesn’t he sell magic black boxes? " "That would be the same person…his magic black box will cure *any* behavior problem, don’t you know? " "It does? It must be used by whacking the dog over the head….I’d like him to demonstrate on himself… " "And yet do you notice that the second anyone talks about choke collars and prong collars and hanging, pinching or twisting he calls it animal abuse? And spiking a dogs temp like that isent? He is a lunatic… best to be ignored. " Got questions? Get answers over the phone at Keen.com. Up to 100 minutes free! http://www.keen.com
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Well Jerry I don’t know who posted that abuse s___ but it sure as h___ weren’t me……. I ant that brave as to compromise my contract with the webtv system . Thank’s though for thinking that I would be that smart ! As for your product , Yes I know it works because the US Army , and the US Marine corps use the same methods for training their dogs for combat. I was in the Marines and know this for a fact. I never said that you method of training did not work . As I said I work in research and development and it doesn’t take a rocket scientist to know about the silent dog whistle that was used in WW 2 for training dogs. Best within reason and the information that is available to us all on the net there are other products that support your claims as well. In the state of Georgia they are trying to pass a law to make animal cruelty a felony to curb the abuse that has been on the rise in our state. I will vote for it to be active ASAP. If and when I get pissed off at some one I just stop reading their post. Due to the fact that I read this one , means I ant pissist yet. I may make a statement that sounds bad but it ant a gun and ant aimed at you . Its the opinion that I may hold at that time which may change as I am capable of learning new things daily as others do as well . I have only been here for a couple of weeks , In that time you have had good advice printed but staggered through out long complaints. How about the advice first then the complaints , good advice draws more attention to the complaints for opinion. On the my kids figured that out in 30 second , They had a good laugh but still complained. OH well . Good advice is needed so Later.
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Hello Nathren, I take a person at their word until proven otherwise. Please tell me what your children found to be offensive, and I’ll correct my thinking and language appropriately. Sincerely, Everyone’s best friend, Jerry.
– Hide quoted text — Show quoted text -> Hello nathren, > Well I have to say that it may appear that a premotion may be in here > some where but if I had purchased a device that would not work I sure > as > doggy doo wouldn’t tell any body just to claim a reward. > Your point is? > I would contact the better business bureau > They contacted ME. I’m not a member, as I have no need for an > arbritrator. > and then post the results of my experience . > You’re confusing me, but that’s O.K., I think you’re confused yourself. > From a resent post that I read Jerry needs a prayer just > to stay here with us. > You mean your own post that you sent in under the "disguise" of > Jerry I don’t know if you product works , > There’s LOTS you don’t know, chum. > but that ant why you are bumping your head against a wall, > Well genius, SMARTEN ME UP??? > You are trying to sale a product , > No, I’m trying to educate our dog abusers here on rpdb. > but in order to sale it your attitude has to be right. > You’re stupid enough to think I’m in her KILLING these bums, with the > intent of making them all satisfied Doggy Do Right (and Kitty Will Too) > customers? I could care less about their MONEY, all I want them to do > is to STOP HURTING DOGS some more. > Give simple answers and then advertise your product. > Your pals are advertising my product, NOT ME. I’m offering the FREE > Wits’ End Dog Training Method manual, and THAT costs ME sales of my > product… > See? I’m such an inept businessman, that I’m GIVING people INFORMATION > that will HOPEFULLY obviate the need for my for-sale product… SHEER > GENIUS! > And, my for sale product is 100% money back satisfaction guaranteed > FOREVER. > AND, there’s a 25% DISCOUNT for all shelter and rescue folks, > REGARDLESS of their tax exempt status… > Good luck Jerry Howe. > Thanks pal, but YOU KEEP IT. I don’t rely on LUCK, it’s abundant, but > chancy. I rely on the INFORMATION in the Wits’ End Dog Training Method > manual available for free at http://www.doggydoright.com > I suggest if you want to further harm me, you READ my poorly written, > unedited text, AND CHOKE ME WITH MY OWN WORDS. > Yours for fine dining, Jerry "Mama Cass" Howe.
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Well I have to say that it may appear that a premotion may be in here some where but if I had purchased a device that would not work I sure as doggy doo wouldn’t tell any body just to claim a reward. I would contact the better business bureau and then post the results of my experience . From a resent post that I read Jerry needs a prayer just to stay here with us. Jerry I don’t know if you product works , but that ant why you are bumping your head against a wall, You are trying to sale a product , but in order to sale it your attitude has to be right. Give simple answers and then advertise your product. Good luck Jerry Howe.
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Hello nathren,
> Well I have to say that it may appear that a premotion may be in here > some where but if I had purchased a device that would not work I sure as > doggy doo wouldn’t tell any body just to claim a reward.
Your point is? > I would contact the better business bureau
They contacted ME. I’m not a member, as I have no need for an arbritrator. > and then post the results of my experience .
You’re confusing me, but that’s O.K., I think you’re confused yourself. > From a resent post that I read Jerry needs a prayer just > to stay here with us.
You mean your own post that you sent in under the "disguise" of > Jerry I don’t know if you product works ,
There’s LOTS you don’t know, chum. > but that ant why you are bumping your head against a wall,
Well genius, SMARTEN ME UP??? > You are trying to sale a product ,
No, I’m trying to educate our dog abusers here on rpdb. > but in order to sale it your attitude has to be right.
You’re stupid enough to think I’m in her KILLING these bums, with the intent of making them all satisfied Doggy Do Right (and Kitty Will Too) customers? I could care less about their MONEY, all I want them to do is to STOP HURTING DOGS some more. > Give simple answers and then advertise your product.
Your pals are advertising my product, NOT ME. I’m offering the FREE Wits’ End Dog Training Method manual, and THAT costs ME sales of my product… See? I’m such an inept businessman, that I’m GIVING people INFORMATION that will HOPEFULLY obviate the need for my for-sale product… SHEER GENIUS! And, my for sale product is 100% money back satisfaction guaranteed FOREVER. AND, there’s a 25% DISCOUNT for all shelter and rescue folks, REGARDLESS of their tax exempt status… > Good luck Jerry Howe.
Thanks pal, but YOU KEEP IT. I don’t rely on LUCK, it’s abundant, but chancy. I rely on the INFORMATION in the Wits’ End Dog Training Method manual available for free at http://www.doggydoright.com I suggest if you want to further harm me, you READ my poorly written, unedited text, AND CHOKE ME WITH MY OWN WORDS. Yours for fine dining, Jerry "Mama Cass" Howe.
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– Hide quoted text — Show quoted text -> [This is not spam - I'm offering a reward, not a product or service.] > (NOTE: new info as of 23 June 2000: two more RPDB readers have each > kicked in another $20, and we’ve decided to split the total, so there > are now actually *two* rewards. As outlined in the emailed autoreply, > one person is already first in line for one of them. The other is up > Have you purchased a Doggy Do Right? Or do you know someone who has? > If so, you could earn yourself $40 just for proving it! > (If you don’t know what I’m talking about, take another look at the > newsgroup. The "inventor" only posts about a gazillion ads for this > thing every week, in addition to his other spew.) > The thing is, I don’t think that the Doggy Do Right device even exists, > except in the diseased mind of Jerry Howe. And I’m willing to pay the > first person who can prove me wrong $20 in secure funds. Not only that, > but another regular poster (who wishes to remain anonymous) has agreed > to kick in another $20! It’s like getting a $40 rebate! (I’ll pay the > entire $40 myself, and take care of collecting the remainder from the > other poster.) > And if you *don’t* wish to go through the hassle of proving that you > do indeed have a DDR, we’ll *buy* the thing outright. It’s like > recovering 40% of a worthless investment! > Email me for further details (note the antispam directions below). > Include the following text string in your subject line: "sendme ddr > reward terms" — case and spaces are important. You’ll get an > automatically-generated email response laying everything out. > Aside: this offer has been in effect for months. And another regular > poster has actually *ordered* one of these things from Howe, by credit > card, only to have her order ignored well after the expiration of the > claimed 30-day delivery period. My theory that there’s no such thing > as a Doggy Do Right seems to be panning out. > — > Mark Shaw http://www.topcities.com/personal/mshaw
Hello markie, Here’s a post sent to me from an applicant for your "reward." Following her post about you, is a correspondence she had with YOU. Following that is her original post she sent to me after using my Doggy Do Right (and Kitty Will Too) for a few weeks. Following THAT, is YET ANOTHER applicant for the reward… who has TRAINED with me. You’re a faker. Hi Jerry, As suspected his reward looks like a hoax. Please see message below that has been sent to Mark. Elaine Yes, I am ready to meet all the qualification criteria listed. The only variance is in the written instructions.. I had those emailed to be so instead of a picture I would prefer to email a copy to you. If you would prefer I can also scan the pics of DDR and email those as well.. Elaine – Hide quoted text — Show quoted text -> According to your automatic response you need items mailed to you so > that you can verify the existence of DDR, however, there is no address listed. > Could you please email the address or would you like me to scan and email all > items to you? > You’re the first to express a serious interest in this, so you’ll have > to give me time to obtain a PO box. > First, please verify (by email) that you are prepared to meet *all* > the qualification criteria listed, and explain any variance in those > criteria you may need or any other issues you may have with it. > Once I have received that email, and we have agreed upon any > variances, I will rent a PO box and email you with the address. Meanwhile, at > that time you can start getting the items together and sending them. > PGP public key available at ftp.netcom.com:/pub/ms/mshaw
A poster with pit bulls and feral cat rescue writes: Hi Jerry, Well, we have been running Doggy Do Right for awhile (3 weeks) now and would appear that it is working. We are still on the lowest setting but my cat aggressive dog is now much calmer with the little fur balls getting near her. Not perfect but much improved! I do think that you need a more universal name as it appears to have drastically cut the spraying problem down that we have with our crowded cat situation. I am going to send an e-mail to Domesti-Cats club, Feral Cat Network and Space Cats Club as a lot of the members have some of the same problems with their cats. It has also lessened the number of nightly cat fights. Thanks, Elaine Hi, Lowest setting to us is when the machine is on the least number of times during the day. We are going to try putting it on the next setting and see if that will completely solve our problems. We are holding our breath at this point on the spraying and hoping that BIOSOUND continues to work. Will let you know. Yes, feel free to use my post. If you sell to people with cat spray problems though you might want to recommend that they do what we did. We went through the house with BacTerminator an enzyme product that eats the cat urine. We have used Bac T. for a long time and it usually only slows them down for a week or two, so I know it is the BIOSOUND that has created the success we are seeing right now. We were resigned to constant cleaning and even then it was difficult to keep up with. I don’t know if you have forgotten but we have 19 cats. Apr 25, 05:59 PM Margaret Hoffman Message 1 of 19 Doggy Do Right and Jerry Howe I just recently looked at this newsgroup and I found it incredible. I do have a Doggy Do Right and have had it for about one year. It truly does work – at least on my Dobe, Chelsea. Chelsea was the unhappy recipient of several failed attempts at obedience training, both in a "class" environment and with a personal trainer. She is very high spirited and strong and, unfortunately, spoiled, since we are an older couple who doted on our dog. We were lucky enough to find Jerry Howe and to not only buy a Doggy Do Right, but to also have him personally work with Chelsea. His methods are wonderful and effective. Chelsea is not a dog that you will bully, and I wouldn’t dream of hurting her. After Jerry spent time with her, she no longer jumped on furniture, ate food off the counter, pulled me incessantly on the leash. She is calmer and we are all happier. Well, it is a very long story and I won’t bore you with all the details, but suffice it to say that Jerry Howe saved the day for our dog and for us. Marge Hoffman P.S. You can send me the reward money, but I won’t sell you my DDR!
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[This is not spam - I'm offering a reward, not a product or service.] (NOTE: new info as of 23 June 2000: two more RPDB readers have each kicked in another $20, and we’ve decided to split the total, so there are now actually *two* rewards. As outlined in the emailed autoreply, one person is already first in line for one of them. The other is up Have you purchased a Doggy Do Right? Or do you know someone who has? If so, you could earn yourself $40 just for proving it! (If you don’t know what I’m talking about, take another look at the newsgroup. The "inventor" only posts about a gazillion ads for this thing every week, in addition to his other spew.) The thing is, I don’t think that the Doggy Do Right device even exists, except in the diseased mind of Jerry Howe. And I’m willing to pay the first person who can prove me wrong $20 in secure funds. Not only that, but another regular poster (who wishes to remain anonymous) has agreed to kick in another $20! It’s like getting a $40 rebate! (I’ll pay the entire $40 myself, and take care of collecting the remainder from the other poster.) And if you *don’t* wish to go through the hassle of proving that you do indeed have a DDR, we’ll *buy* the thing outright. It’s like recovering 40% of a worthless investment! Email me for further details (note the antispam directions below). Include the following text string in your subject line: "sendme ddr reward terms" — case and spaces are important. You’ll get an automatically-generated email response laying everything out. Aside: this offer has been in effect for months. And another regular poster has actually *ordered* one of these things from Howe, by credit card, only to have her order ignored well after the expiration of the claimed 30-day delivery period. My theory that there’s no such thing as a Doggy Do Right seems to be panning out. — Mark Shaw http://www.topcities.com/personal/mshaw anti-spam: change ‘bang’ to ‘not’ in my domain name to email me.
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[This is not spam - I'm offering a reward, not a product or service.] (NOTE: new info as of 23 June 2000: two more RPDB readers have each kicked in another $20, and we’ve decided to split the total, so there are now actually *two* rewards. As outlined in the emailed autoreply, one person is already first in line for one of them. The other is up Have you purchased a Doggy Do Right? Or do you know someone who has? If so, you could earn yourself $40 just for proving it! (If you don’t know what I’m talking about, take another look at the newsgroup. The "inventor" only posts about a gazillion ads for this thing every week, in addition to his other spew.) The thing is, I don’t think that the Doggy Do Right device even exists, except in the diseased mind of Jerry Howe. And I’m willing to pay the first person who can prove me wrong $20 in secure funds. Not only that, but another regular poster (who wishes to remain anonymous) has agreed to kick in another $20! It’s like getting a $40 rebate! (I’ll pay the entire $40 myself, and take care of collecting the remainder from the other poster.) And if you *don’t* wish to go through the hassle of proving that you do indeed have a DDR, we’ll *buy* the thing outright. It’s like recovering 40% of a worthless investment! text string in your subject line: "sendme ddr reward terms" — case and spaces are important. You’ll get an automatically-generated email response laying everything out. Aside: this offer has been in effect for months. And another regular poster has actually *ordered* one of these things from Howe, by credit card, only to have her order ignored well after the expiration of the claimed 30-day delivery period. My theory that there’s no such thing as a Doggy Do Right seems to be panning out. — Mark Shaw (and Maggie) PGP public key at ftp.netcom.com:/pub/ms/mshaw "In order to keep a true perspective of one’s importance, everyone should have a dog that will worship him and a cat that will ignore him." -Dereke Bruce
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My ”gimmick" CURES dog and cat behavior problems, and is 100% money back, satisfaction guaranteed FOREVER, and has a two year full warranty and a 25% discount for shelter and rescue people REGARDLESS of their tax exempt status… Read all about it at http://www.doggydoright.com Bye! Jerry.
– Hide quoted text — Show quoted text -> In article <1RsR4.3634 >You are a blatant liar, a beggar, and a MENTAL CASE. Jerry. > No Jerry you are. Not once have proven your claims. You have > readily admitted you are here to sell your little black box. You > have no proof you have ever trained a dog. You claim to be a > scientist, karate instructor, professional handler, and police > dog trainer. You have no creditable evidence at all execpt to > the fact that you are a BLATANT LIAR AND MENTAL CASE. Face it > Jerry you are a FRAUD selling a gimmick. That’s HOWE you make a > living > If you won’t rescue don’t breed > http://members.aol.com/PowerROTTS/index.htm > * Sent from RemarQ http://www.remarq.com The Internet’s Discussion Network * > The fastest and easiest way to search and participate in Usenet – Free!
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Hello silvertonguEd, You are a liar, a beggar, and a MENTAL CASE. You attack me to divert attention and to defend dog abusers… Here’s proof: YOU SAID: BULL jer, ou ADDED IT if the first place to FRAUDULENTLY CHANGE THE MEANING in order to support YOUR LIE. THAT LIE BEING A DIRECT QUOTE from lyingfrostydahly’s forced fetch page..
> You’re right. I never noticed before that you inserted the > word "slap" into the article,
I took it out to be FAIR. It was an oversight not initialing the parenthesis. > inside supposedly quoted material, without indicating that it > was your addition.
I suppose you’ve got a different definition. Let’s hear it… This ought to be excellent… > You are even sleazier than I thought.
You BEAT DOGS WITH STICKS to make them retrieve, and YOU call ME sleazy? Me? I don’t HURT DOGS and LIE. YOU do. You ABUSE DOGS. And you LIE. Here’s PROOF. > I would never advise anyone to slap a dog.
YOU DO. You LIE. Here’s PROOF. ">>>Get a stick 30- or 40-inches long. You can have a helper wield the stick, or do it yourself.>>> > I would never slap a dog.
YOU DO, YOU LIE, HERE’S PROOF. >>Repeat, varying how hard you hit the dog Tougher, less
dogs may require you to progress to striking them more sharply,>>>" > I do not believe there is a single circumstance, ever, > where slapping a dog is anything but destructive.
YOU LIE. HERE’S PROOF. >> If the dog drops it, chuck it solidly under the chin, say
"No! Hold!" use a chuck under the chin or pinch its ear chuck the dog under the chin with your ever-ready right hand while saying "No!">>> >> and pinch its ear if a dummy or bird is ever dropped. While
force-fetching is now complete, training has become more varied and interesting and we are sure you will want to continue.>>> HOWE does varying HOWE you are HURTING the dog make it more INTERESTING? >> Amy Frost Dahl Retriever Training phone: (910) 295-6710 >> Pinehurst, NC 28370 (http://www.oakhillkennel.com)
Here’s the full text. Got Milk? http://www.oakhillkennel.com/library/force/force1.html http://www.oakhillkennel.com/library/force/force2.html??? Aren’t those AMY DAHL’S OWN WORDS??? But SHE don’t DO THAT??? Is EVERYBODY going to ignore the character of these people who lie and cover up for each other? Here’s HOWE they get that happy excited to work look on the dogs… >> Any refusals are corrected with the ear pinch. When
performance is smooth, the stick can be added just as in the fetch from a sitting position. If the previous steps have been carefully done, the dog will soon be lunging eagerly for each dummy as soon as it sees it.>>> ANY QUESTIONS? Is it any wonder that the following sig file has generated more complaints to my personal email than any other controversial post I have made to date, bar none?: caveat If you have to do things to your dog to train him, that you would rather not have to do, then you shouldn’t be doing them. If you have a dog trainer that tells you to jerk your dog around, choke him, pinch his ears, or twist his toes, shock, shake, slap, scold, hit, or punish him in any manner, that corrections are appropriate, that the dog won’t think of you as the punisher, or that corrections are not harmful, or if they can’t train your dog to do what you want, look for a trainer that knows Howe. Sincerely, Jerry Howe, Wits’ End Dog Training http://www.doggydoright.com Nature, to be mastered, must be obeyed. -Francis Bacon- There are terrible people who, instead of solving a problem, bungle it and make it more difficult for all who come after. Who ever can’t hit the nail on the head should, please, not hit at all. -Nietzsche- The abilities to think, rationalize and solve problems are learned qualities. The Wits’ End Dog Training Method challenges the learning centers in the dogs brain. These centers, once challenged, develop and continue to grow exponentially, to make him smarter. The Wits’ End Dog Training method capitalizes on praising split seconds of canine thought, strategy, and timing, not mindless hours of forced repetition, constant corrections, and scolding. -Jerry Howe
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- Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – > Hello silvertonguEd, > You are a liar, a beggar, and a MENTAL CASE. You attack me to divert > attention and to defend dog abusers… > Here’s proof: > YOU SAID: > BULL jer, ou ADDED IT if the first place to FRAUDULENTLY CHANGE THE > MEANING in order to support YOUR LIE. > THAT LIE BEING A DIRECT QUOTE from lyingfrostydahly’s forced fetch > page..
jer, I will not respond to anything you quote because you cannot be trusted to quote accurately. Besides, you are neo even remotely close to responding to what I posted. And as for who is the liar here jer: YOU ARE LYING when you claim I abuse animals. YOU ARE LYING when you claim I defend abusing animals. YOU ARE LYING when you claim I have pals who abuse animals. YOU ARE LYING when you claim you are "ONLY interested in behavior problems here" YOU ARE LYING when you claim to have "HUNDREDS" (he used to claim thousands) of satisfied customers. If what you said had ANY truth in it there would be many links to your website from that pool of customers. The fact is there are NONE. This can be easily be verified by anyone & nothing you say can refute it. Where’s the LINKS jer?? Last but most important jer: YOU ARE LYING about Doggy Do Right. The Doggy Do Right gizmo CANNOT function as you claim. I refer to documentation that will demonstrate this fact: http://deja.com/getdoc.xp?AN=516286408 EdW http://Petloss.com
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You are a blatant liar, a beggar, and a MENTAL CASE. Jerry.
– Hide quoted text — Show quoted text -> Hello silvertonguEd, > You are a liar, a beggar, and a MENTAL CASE. You attack me to divert > attention and to defend dog abusers… > Here’s proof: > YOU SAID: > BULL jer, ou ADDED IT if the first place to FRAUDULENTLY CHANGE THE > MEANING in order to support YOUR LIE. > THAT LIE BEING A DIRECT QUOTE from lyingfrostydahly’s forced fetch > page.. > jer, I will not respond to anything you quote because you cannot be > trusted to quote accurately. > Besides, you are neo even remotely close to responding to what I posted. > And as for who is the liar here jer: > YOU ARE LYING when you claim I abuse animals. > YOU ARE LYING when you claim I defend abusing animals. > YOU ARE LYING when you claim I have pals who abuse animals. > YOU ARE LYING when you claim you are "ONLY interested in behavior > problems here" > YOU ARE LYING when you claim to have "HUNDREDS" (he used to claim > thousands) of satisfied customers. > If what you said had ANY truth in it there would be many links to your > website from that pool of customers. > The fact is there are NONE. This can be easily be verified by anyone & > nothing you say can refute it. > Where’s the LINKS jer?? > Last but most important jer: > YOU ARE LYING about Doggy Do Right. > The Doggy Do Right gizmo CANNOT function as you claim. > I refer to documentation that will demonstrate this fact: > http://deja.com/getdoc.xp?AN=516286408 > EdW > http://Petloss.com
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> You are a blatant liar, a beggar, and a MENTAL CASE. Jerry. > jer, NONE of your allegations are true. > Provide PROOF of ONE SINGLE LIE that I have posted. See, > you CANNOT!
All I did was parenthesize the definition of chin chuck… HOWE DO YOU DEFINE CHIN CHUCK, "with that ever ready right hand???" You are a liar, a beggar, and a MENTAL CASE. HERE’s PROOF:
– Hide quoted text — Show quoted text -> Here’s HOWE ed earned his lying title: > lyingfrostydahly said: > > > You’re right. I never noticed before that you inserted the > > > word "slap" into the article, > I said: > > I took it out to be FAIR. It was an oversight not initialing > > the parenthesis. > silvertonguEd SAID: > BULL > jer, ou ADDED IT if the first place to FRAUDULENTLY CHANGE THE > MEANING in order to support YOUR LIE. > THAT LIE BEING A DIRECT QUOTE from lyingfrostydahly’s > forced fetch page… > No jer, It was a MODIFIED QUOTE. MODIFIED by YOU jer. > That is why it was BULL. > jer, when you modified that quote to suit your own purposes, > YOU became the liar who’s quotes CANNOT EVER be trusted.
All I did was DEFINE CHIN CHUCK. > EdW <usual rant snipped>
Here’s my "rant" you’ve snipped… PROVING lyingfrostydahly’s ABUSE AND LIES.
> You’re right. I never noticed before that you inserted the > word "slap" into the article,
I took it out to be FAIR. It was an oversight not initialing the parenthesis. > inside supposedly quoted material, without indicating that it > was your addition.
I suppose you’ve got a different definition. Let’s hear it… This ought to be excellent… > You are even sleazier than I thought.
You BEAT DOGS WITH STICKS to make them retrieve, and YOU call ME sleazy? Me? I don’t HURT DOGS and LIE. YOU do. You ABUSE DOGS. And you LIE. Here’s PROOF. > I would never advise anyone to slap a dog.
YOU DO. You LIE. Here’s PROOF. ">>>Get a stick 30- or 40-inches long. You can have a helper wield the stick, or do it yourself.>>> > I would never slap a dog.
YOU DO, YOU LIE, HERE’S PROOF. >>Repeat, varying how hard you hit the dog Tougher, less
dogs may require you to progress to striking them more sharply,>>>" > I do not believe there is a single circumstance, ever, > where slapping a dog is anything but destructive.
YOU LIE. HERE’S PROOF. >> If the dog drops it, chuck it solidly under the chin, say
"No! Hold!" use a chuck under the chin or pinch its ear chuck the dog under the chin with your ever-ready right hand while saying "No!">>> >> and pinch its ear if a dummy or bird is ever dropped. While
force-fetching is now complete, training has become more varied and interesting and we are sure you will want to continue.>>> HOWE does varying HOWE you are HURTING the dog make it more INTERESTING? >> Amy Frost Dahl Retriever Training phone: (910) 295-6710 >> Pinehurst, NC 28370 (http://www.oakhillkennel.com)
Here’s the full text. Got Milk? http://www.oakhillkennel.com/library/force/force1.html http://www.oakhillkennel.com/library/force/force2.html??? Aren’t those AMY DAHL’S OWN WORDS??? But SHE don’t DO THAT??? Is EVERYBODY going to ignore the character of these people who lie and cover up for each other? Here’s HOWE they get that happy excited to work look on the dogs… >> Any refusals are corrected with the ear pinch. When
performance is smooth, the stick can be added just as in the fetch from a sitting position. If the previous steps have been carefully done, the dog will soon be lunging eagerly for each dummy as soon as it sees it.>>> ANY QUESTIONS? Is it any wonder that the following sig file has generated more complaints to my personal email than any other controversial post I have made to date, bar none?: caveat If you have to do things to your dog to train him, that you would rather not have to do, then you shouldn’t be doing them. If you have a dog trainer that tells you to jerk your dog around, choke him, pinch his ears, or twist his toes, shock, shake, slap, scold, hit, or punish him in any manner, that corrections are appropriate, that the dog won’t think of you as the punisher, or that corrections are not harmful, or if they can’t train your dog to do what you want, look for a trainer that knows Howe. Sincerely, Jerry Howe, Wits’ End Dog Training http://www.doggydoright.com Nature, to be mastered, must be obeyed. -Francis Bacon- There are terrible people who, instead of solving a problem, bungle it and make it more difficult for all who come after. Who ever can’t hit the nail on the head should, please, not hit at all. -Nietzsche- The abilities to think, rationalize and solve problems are learned qualities. The Wits’ End Dog Training Method challenges the learning centers in the dogs brain. These centers, once challenged, develop and continue to grow exponentially, to make him smarter. The Wits’ End Dog Training method capitalizes on praising split seconds of canine thought, strategy, and timing, not mindless hours of forced repetition, constant corrections, and scolding. -Jerry Howe-
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In article <1RsR4.3634 >You are a blatant liar, a beggar, and a MENTAL CASE. Jerry.
No Jerry you are. Not once have proven your claims. You have readily admitted you are here to sell your little black box. You have no proof you have ever trained a dog. You claim to be a scientist, karate instructor, professional handler, and police dog trainer. You have no creditable evidence at all execpt to the fact that you are a BLATANT LIAR AND MENTAL CASE. Face it Jerry you are a FRAUD selling a gimmick. That’s HOWE you make a living If you won’t rescue don’t breed http://members.aol.com/PowerROTTS/index.htm * Sent from RemarQ http://www.remarq.com The Internet’s Discussion Network * The fastest and easiest way to search and participate in Usenet – Free!
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> You are a blatant liar, a beggar, and a MENTAL CASE. Jerry.
jer, NONE of your allegations are true. Provide PROOF of ONE SINGLE LIE that I have posted. See, you CANNOT! On the other hand: YOU ARE LYING when you claim I abuse animals. YOU ARE LYING when you claim I defend abusing animals. YOU ARE LYING when you claim I have pals who abuse animals. YOU ARE LYING when you claim you are "ONLY interested in behavior problems here" YOU ARE LYING when you claim to have "HUNDREDS" (down from thousands) of satisfied customers. If what you said had ANY truth in it there would be many links to your website from that pool of customers. The fact is there are NONE. This can be easily be verified by anyone & nothing you say can refute it. (Where’s the LINKS jer??) In addition, YOU ARE LYING about Doggy Do Right. The Doggy Do Right gizmo CANNOT function as you claim. I refer to documentation that will demonstrate this fact: http://deja.com/getdoc.xp?AN=516286408 EdW http://Petloss.com
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> You can say that. I’ve got hundreds of satisfied Doggy Do Right (and > KITTY WILL TOO) users who’ll tell you it works just as I say it does, > and nobody who has done business with me has any complaints. Jerry.
I would have to have better evidence than your say-so jer. You cannot refute the fact that NOT A SINGLE ONE of your "thousands" of training customers, DDR purchasers, or users of your free manual has been satisfied enough to put a link to your site from their homepage. No links = no satisfied customers. Where’s the LINKS jer??? > P.S. You are a liar and a beggar. Your only motive is to try to > discredit me because I’ve EXPOSED your vicious pals who hurt dogs to > train them.
Not a word of truth in what you say jer. Besides, I don’t have to discredit you. You do a fine job of it all by yourself. EdW http://Petloss.com – Hide quoted text — Show quoted text -> jer, > Big deal. It doesn’t prove that it works. > You can sell a 100% money back satisfaction GUARANTEED FOREVER dog > turd > & it will still be a piece of crap with a guarantee. > EdW > http://Petloss.com > > Hey, MORON? > > What part of 100% money back satisfaction GUARANTEED FOREVER > don’t > > you understand? Jerry. > > > Jer, > > > Your name-calling will not divert attention from the fact that > your > > > Doggy Do Right gizmo CANNOT > > > function as you claim. > > > I refer you to the unrefuted documentation that will > demonstrate > > this > > > fact. > > > http://deja.com/getdoc.xp?AN=516286408 > > > EdW > > > http://Petloss.com > > > > Hey MORON, Doggy Do Right (and KITTY WILL TOO) > > > <rest of nasty jer stuff snipped>
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>Your pal ed is a liar and a beggar. He defends dog abusers, that’s >his only motive for attacking me… >Try this: lying >piece of smegma!"
Well gee Jerry, Ed is just speaking the truth If you won’t rescue don’t breed http://members.aol.com/PowerROTTS/index.htm * Sent from RemarQ http://www.remarq.com The Internet’s Discussion Network * The fastest and easiest way to search and participate in Usenet – Free!
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– Hide quoted text — Show quoted text ->Your pal ed is a liar and a beggar. He defends dog abusers, > that’s >his only motive for attacking me… >Try this: > lying >piece of smegma!" > Well gee Jerry, Ed is just speaking the truth > If you won’t rescue don’t breed > http://members.aol.com/PowerROTTS/index.htm
This is what is upsetting ed and YOU: Hello doc,
writes: >To those others who may read this post, if you would rather I > ignore Mr. Howe. I will succumb to your requests because I > would rather be valued on this newsgroup than filtered or > hated. But, please know this is just meant to be > entertainment for me (that is my rants against Mr. Howe). >Thanks, >John M. > Dear John, > Yes, please spare us. > We understand your motivation but it would be best if you > simply killfiled Jerry.
I don’t think you do, doc. Perhaps I’m the one that’s been wrong about you. I just occurred to me why YOU are so determined to undermine the EXCELLENT information I offer here…. It’s because both you and john are operating under the same conditions… You are BOTH embarrassed in front of your peers because you BOTH scoffed at my information, and NOW you are ANGRY because there are many people who now see and understand that you are both wrong in your accepting HURTING dogs to train them… You endorse koehler, which means you must be prepared to HANG the dog if he objects to your increasing PUNISHMENT. That’s where john is headed because he can’t lay off jerking and choking his dog. > We’re all going to die and eventually be forgotten.
We are all going to die. YOU will be forgotten. I won’t. > Let us forget Jerry while he is alive.
In fact, YOU will be forgotten in this lifetime… and I’m gonna see to it… > –Marshall > http://www.uwm.edu/~dermer
> I urge newbies to ignore Jerry Howe’s abusive, attention seeking > posts and to read:
http://www.sound.net/~twillis/Harlan/concerns.html Yes doc, criticize me, and defend this:
> You’re right. I never noticed before that you inserted the > word "slap" into the article,
I took it out to be FAIR. It was an oversight not initialing the parenthesis. > inside supposedly quoted material, without indicating that it > was your addition.
I suppose you’ve got a different definition. Let’s hear it… This ought to be excellent… > You are even sleazier than I thought.
You BEAT DOGS WITH STICKS to make them retrieve, and YOU call ME sleazy? Me? I don’t HURT DOGS and LIE. YOU do. You ABUSE DOGS. And you LIE. Here’s PROOF. > I would never advise anyone to slap a dog.
YOU DO. You LIE. Here’s PROOF. ">>>Get a stick 30- or 40-inches long. You can have a helper wield the stick, or do it yourself.>>> > I would never slap a dog.
YOU DO, YOU LIE, HERE’S PROOF. >>Repeat, varying how hard you hit the dog Tougher, less
dogs may require you to progress to striking them more sharply,>>>" > I do not believe there is a single circumstance, ever, > where slapping a dog is anything but destructive.
YOU LIE. HERE’S PROOF. >> If the dog drops it, chuck it solidly under the chin, say
"No! Hold!" use a chuck under the chin or pinch its ear chuck the dog under the chin with your ever-ready right hand while saying "No!">>> >> and pinch its ear if a dummy or bird is ever dropped. While
force-fetching is now complete, training has become more varied and interesting and we are sure you will want to continue.>>> HOWE does varying HOWE you are HURTING the dog make it more INTERESTING? >> Amy Frost Dahl Retriever Training phone: (910) 295-6710 >> Pinehurst, NC 28370 (http://www.oakhillkennel.com)
Here’s the full text. Got Milk? http://www.oakhillkennel.com/library/force/force1.html http://www.oakhillkennel.com/library/force/force2.html??? Aren’t those AMY DAHL’S OWN WORDS??? But SHE don’t DO THAT??? Is EVERYBODY going to ignore the character of these people who lie and cover up for each other? Here’s HOWE they get that happy excited to work look on the dogs… >> Any refusals are corrected with the ear pinch. When
performance is smooth, the stick can be added just as in the fetch from a sitting position. If the previous steps have been carefully done, the dog will soon be lunging eagerly for each dummy as soon as it sees it.>>> ANY QUESTIONS? Is it any wonder that the following sig file has generated more complaints to my personal email than any other controversial post I have made to date, bar none?: caveat If you have to do things to your dog to train him, that you would rather not have to do, then you shouldn’t be doing them. If you have a dog trainer that tells you to jerk your dog around, choke him, pinch his ears, or twist his toes, shock, shake, slap, scold, hit, or punish him in any manner, that corrections are appropriate, that the dog won’t think of you as the punisher, or that corrections are not harmful, or if they can’t train your dog to do what you want, look for a trainer that knows Howe. Sincerely, Jerry Howe, Wits’ End Dog Training http://www.doggydoright.com Nature, to be mastered, must be obeyed. -Francis Bacon- There are terrible people who, instead of solving a problem, bungle it and make it more difficult for all who come after. Who ever can’t hit the nail on the head should, please, not hit at all. -Nietzsche- The abilities to think, rationalize and solve problems are learned qualities. The Wits’ End Dog Training Method challenges the learning centers in the dogs brain. These centers, once challenged, develop and continue to grow exponentially, to make him smarter. The Wits’ End Dog Training method capitalizes on praising split seconds of canine thought, strategy, and timing, not mindless hours of forced repetition, constant corrections, and scolding. -Jerry Howe
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- Hide quoted text — Show quoted text -> >Hey, MORON? > >What part of 100% money back satisfaction GUARANTEED >> FOREVER don’t you understand? Jerry. > Nice job of marketing there Jerry….especially calling > someone a Moron who has done as much for animal lovers > has Ed has. I suggest you go to his web site where he isn’t > trying to rip off pet owners for $100. The site is beggar’s link > deleted… > Maybe then you will realize who much of an ASSHOLE you > really look like. > If you won’t rescue don’t breed > http://members.aol.com/PowerROTTS/index.htm > Hey powerpoophead, > Your pal ed is a liar and a beggar. He defends dog abusers, that’s > his only motive for attacking me…
Jer, I have NEVER defended dog abusers or abusers of ANY animal. YOU made that one up yourself. > Try this: > piece of smegma!"
Yup. I said it. So what? At the time I meant it too. And the only reason it is on the NG now jer is YOU like to keep posting it. So what do I care. Post away jer. > And this is what he defends:
That is a TOTAL LIE jer. I do not defend ANYONE here. Not even YOU. – Hide quoted text — Show quoted text -> You’re right. I never noticed before that you inserted the > word "slap" into the article, > I took it out to be FAIR. It was an oversight not initialing the > parenthesis. > inside supposedly quoted material, without indicating that it > was your addition. > I suppose you’ve got a different definition. Let’s hear it… This > ought to be excellent… > You are even sleazier than I thought. > You BEAT DOGS WITH STICKS to make them retrieve, and YOU call ME > sleazy? > Me? I don’t HURT DOGS and LIE. > YOU do. You ABUSE DOGS. And you LIE. Here’s PROOF. > I would never advise anyone to slap a dog. > YOU DO. You LIE. Here’s PROOF. > ">>>Get a stick 30- or 40-inches long. You can have a helper > wield the stick, or do it yourself.>>> > I would never slap a dog. > YOU DO, YOU LIE, HERE’S PROOF. >>>Repeat, varying how hard you hit the dog Tougher, less > dogs may require you to progress to striking them more > sharply,>>>" > I do not believe there is a single circumstance, ever, > where slapping a dog is anything but destructive. > YOU LIE. HERE’S PROOF. >>> If the dog drops it, chuck it solidly under the chin, say > "No! Hold!" use a chuck under the chin or pinch its ear > chuck the dog under the chin > with your ever-ready right hand while saying "No!">>> >>> and pinch its ear if a dummy or bird is ever dropped. While > force-fetching is now complete, training has become more > varied and interesting and we are sure you will want to > continue.>>> > HOWE does varying HOWE you are HURTING the dog make it more > INTERESTING? >>> Amy Frost Dahl Retriever Training phone: (910) 295-6710 > >> Pinehurst, NC 28370 (http://www.oakhillkennel.com) > Here’s the full text. Got Milk? > http://www.oakhillkennel.com/library/force/force1.html > http://www.oakhillkennel.com/library/force/force2.html??? > Aren’t those AMY DAHL’S OWN WORDS??? But SHE don’t DO THAT??? > Is EVERYBODY going to ignore the character of these people who lie > and cover up for each other? > Here’s HOWE they get that happy excited to work look on the dogs… >>> Any refusals are corrected with the ear pinch. When > performance is smooth, the stick can be added just as in the > fetch from a sitting position. If the previous steps have been > carefully done, the dog will soon be lunging eagerly for each > dummy as soon as it sees it.>>> > ANY QUESTIONS? > Is it any wonder that the following sig file has generated more > complaints to my personal email than any other controversial > post I have made to date, bar none?: > caveat > If you have to do things to your dog to train him, that you would > rather not have to do, then you shouldn’t be doing them. If you > have a dog trainer that tells you to jerk your dog around, choke > him, pinch his ears, or twist his toes, shock, shake, slap, scold, > hit, or punish him in any manner, that corrections are > appropriate, that the dog won’t think of you as the punisher, > or that corrections are not harmful, or if they can’t train your > dog to do what you want, look for a trainer that knows Howe. > Sincerely, > Jerry Howe, > Wits’ End Dog Training > http://www.doggydoright.com > Nature, to be mastered, must be obeyed. > -Francis Bacon- > There are terrible people who, instead of solving a problem, > bungle it and make it more difficult for all who come after. Who > ever can’t hit the nail on the head should, please, not hit at all. > -Nietzsche- > The abilities to think, rationalize and solve problems are learned > qualities. > The Wits’ End Dog Training Method challenges the learning > centers in the dogs brain. These centers, once challenged, > develop and continue to grow exponentially, to make him smarter. > The Wits’ End Dog Training method capitalizes on praising split > seconds of canine thought, strategy, and timing, not mindless > hours of forced repetition, constant corrections, and scolding. > -Jerry Howe
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You can say that. I’ve got hundreds of satisfied Doggy Do Right (and KITTY WILL TOO) users who’ll tell you it works just as I say it does, and nobody who has done business with me has any complaints. Jerry. P.S. You are a liar and a beggar. Your only motive is to try to discredit me because I’ve EXPOSED your vicious pals who hurt dogs to train them.
– Hide quoted text — Show quoted text -> jer, > Big deal. It doesn’t prove that it works. > You can sell a 100% money back satisfaction GUARANTEED FOREVER dog turd > & it will still be a piece of crap with a guarantee. > EdW > http://Petloss.com > Hey, MORON? > What part of 100% money back satisfaction GUARANTEED FOREVER don’t > you understand? Jerry. > > Jer, > > Your name-calling will not divert attention from the fact that your > > Doggy Do Right gizmo CANNOT > > function as you claim. > > I refer you to the unrefuted documentation that will demonstrate > this > > fact. > > http://deja.com/getdoc.xp?AN=516286408 > > EdW > > http://Petloss.com > > > Hey MORON, Doggy Do Right (and KITTY WILL TOO) > > <rest of nasty jer stuff snipped>
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>Hey, MORON? >What part of 100% money back satisfaction GUARANTEED FOREVER don’t >you understand? Jerry.
Nice job of marketing there Jerry….especially calling someone a Moron who has done as much for animal lovers has Ed has. I suggest you go to his web site where he isn’t trying to rip off pet owners for $100. The site is http://petloss.com/ Maybe then you will realize who much of an ASSHOLE you really look like. If you won’t rescue don’t breed http://members.aol.com/PowerROTTS/index.htm * Sent from RemarQ http://www.remarq.com The Internet’s Discussion Network * The fastest and easiest way to search and participate in Usenet – Free!
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– Hide quoted text — Show quoted text ->Hey, MORON? >What part of 100% money back satisfaction GUARANTEED > FOREVER don’t you understand? Jerry. > Nice job of marketing there Jerry….especially calling > someone a Moron who has done as much for animal lovers > has Ed has. I suggest you go to his web site where he isn’t > trying to rip off pet owners for $100. The site is beggar’s link > deleted… > Maybe then you will realize who much of an ASSHOLE you > really look like. > If you won’t rescue don’t breed > http://members.aol.com/PowerROTTS/index.htm
Hey powerpoophead, Your pal ed is a liar and a beggar. He defends dog abusers, that’s his only motive for attacking me… Try this:
piece of smegma!" And this is what he defends:
> You’re right. I never noticed before that you inserted the > word "slap" into the article,
I took it out to be FAIR. It was an oversight not initialing the parenthesis. > inside supposedly quoted material, without indicating that it > was your addition.
I suppose you’ve got a different definition. Let’s hear it… This ought to be excellent… > You are even sleazier than I thought.
You BEAT DOGS WITH STICKS to make them retrieve, and YOU call ME sleazy? Me? I don’t HURT DOGS and LIE. YOU do. You ABUSE DOGS. And you LIE. Here’s PROOF. > I would never advise anyone to slap a dog.
YOU DO. You LIE. Here’s PROOF. ">>>Get a stick 30- or 40-inches long. You can have a helper wield the stick, or do it yourself.>>> > I would never slap a dog.
YOU DO, YOU LIE, HERE’S PROOF. >>Repeat, varying how hard you hit the dog Tougher, less
dogs may require you to progress to striking them more sharply,>>>" > I do not believe there is a single circumstance, ever, > where slapping a dog is anything but destructive.
YOU LIE. HERE’S PROOF. >> If the dog drops it, chuck it solidly under the chin, say
"No! Hold!" use a chuck under the chin or pinch its ear chuck the dog under the chin with your ever-ready right hand while saying "No!">>> >> and pinch its ear if a dummy or bird is ever dropped. While
force-fetching is now complete, training has become more varied and interesting and we are sure you will want to continue.>>> HOWE does varying HOWE you are HURTING the dog make it more INTERESTING? >> Amy Frost Dahl Retriever Training phone: (910) 295-6710 >> Pinehurst, NC 28370 (http://www.oakhillkennel.com)
Here’s the full text. Got Milk? http://www.oakhillkennel.com/library/force/force1.html http://www.oakhillkennel.com/library/force/force2.html??? Aren’t those AMY DAHL’S OWN WORDS??? But SHE don’t DO THAT??? Is EVERYBODY going to ignore the character of these people who lie and cover up for each other? Here’s HOWE they get that happy excited to work look on the dogs… >> Any refusals are corrected with the ear pinch. When
performance is smooth, the stick can be added just as in the fetch from a sitting position. If the previous steps have been carefully done, the dog will soon be lunging eagerly for each dummy as soon as it sees it.>>> ANY QUESTIONS? Is it any wonder that the following sig file has generated more complaints to my personal email than any other controversial post I have made to date, bar none?: caveat If you have to do things to your dog to train him, that you would rather not have to do, then you shouldn’t be doing them. If you have a dog trainer that tells you to jerk your dog around, choke him, pinch his ears, or twist his toes, shock, shake, slap, scold, hit, or punish him in any manner, that corrections are appropriate, that the dog won’t think of you as the punisher, or that corrections are not harmful, or if they can’t train your dog to do what you want, look for a trainer that knows Howe. Sincerely, Jerry Howe, Wits’ End Dog Training http://www.doggydoright.com Nature, to be mastered, must be obeyed. -Francis Bacon- There are terrible people who, instead of solving a problem, bungle it and make it more difficult for all who come after. Who ever can’t hit the nail on the head should, please, not hit at all. -Nietzsche- The abilities to think, rationalize and solve problems are learned qualities. The Wits’ End Dog Training Method challenges the learning centers in the dogs brain. These centers, once challenged, develop and continue to grow exponentially, to make him smarter. The Wits’ End Dog Training method capitalizes on praising split seconds of canine thought, strategy, and timing, not mindless hours of forced repetition, constant corrections, and scolding. -Jerry Howe
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Hey, MORON? What part of 100% money back satisfaction GUARANTEED FOREVER don’t you understand? Jerry.
– Hide quoted text — Show quoted text -> Jer, > Your name-calling will not divert attention from the fact that your > Doggy Do Right gizmo CANNOT > function as you claim. > I refer you to the unrefuted documentation that will demonstrate this > fact. > http://deja.com/getdoc.xp?AN=516286408 > EdW > http://Petloss.com > Hey MORON, Doggy Do Right (and KITTY WILL TOO) > <rest of nasty jer stuff snipped>
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jer, Big deal. It doesn’t prove that it works. You can sell a 100% money back satisfaction GUARANTEED FOREVER dog turd & it will still be a piece of crap with a guarantee. EdW http://Petloss.com – Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – > Hey, MORON? > What part of 100% money back satisfaction GUARANTEED FOREVER don’t > you understand? Jerry. > Jer, > Your name-calling will not divert attention from the fact that your > Doggy Do Right gizmo CANNOT > function as you claim. > I refer you to the unrefuted documentation that will demonstrate > this > fact. > http://deja.com/getdoc.xp?AN=516286408 > EdW > http://Petloss.com > > Hey MORON, Doggy Do Right (and KITTY WILL TOO) > <rest of nasty jer stuff snipped>
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Jer, Your name-calling will not divert attention from the fact that your Doggy Do Right gizmo CANNOT function as you claim. I refer you to the unrefuted documentation that will demonstrate this fact. http://deja.com/getdoc.xp?AN=516286408 EdW http://Petloss.com > Hey MORON, Doggy Do Right (and KITTY WILL TOO)
<rest of nasty jer stuff snipped>
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> Sorry silvertonguEd, > My dog training advice works as I say it does, despite everyone’s > lies and objections…
jer, I KNOW you lie about what I have posted so there is NO REASON for me to believe ANYTHING you say. Besides you NEVER provide anything to refute the evidence that your Doggy Do Right gizmo CANNOT function as you claim. I refer you to documentation that will demonstrate this fact. http://deja.com/getdoc.xp?AN=516286408 EdW http://Petloss.com Where’s the LINKS jer?? – Hide quoted text — Show quoted text -> My Doggy Do Right (and KITTY WILL TOO) is 100% money back > satisfaction guaranteed FOREVER, and has a two year full > repair/replace warranty, and BIOSOUND Scientific offers all shelter > and rescue people a 25% DISCOUNT regardless of their tax exempt > status… > What’s you complaint, except you like to hurt dogs and defend people > who do? > This isn’t a Doggy Do Right (and KITTY WILL TOO) > http://www.doggydoright.com problem silvertonguEd, it’s a DOG ABUSER > DISTRACTION technique of YOURS… Jerry. > A note to any interested reader, jer’s Doggy Do Right gizmo CANNOT > function as jer claims. > I refer you to documentation that will demonstrate this fact. > http://deja.com/getdoc.xp?AN=516286408 > EdW > http://Petloss.com > > Product description and > warranty > > Doggy Do Right (and KITTY WILL TOO) tm > > The little black box that makes dogs do > right > > If it sounds too good to be true, it
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I know another person who does dog rescue. She rescues Beagles. She has 23 in an 1100 square foot house. God bless her. She is interested to see if it will work for her. I also spoke to someone else who does cat rescue, and she is interested. The cat rescue people have monthly meetings. Maybe Elaine could give a word or two about it. So, if there are any words of advice you can send my way about the best way to use it in my case, I would appreciate it. I of course wanted to keep it on the highest setting, but don’t know if that is advised, even with my situation of so many new ones coming and (too few) going. Also, how I and others can go about getting one, etc. I think the vets should have the info in their offices. It must help dogs with separation anxiety. My vet practices homeopathic as well as traditional medicine, so I would think it would be right up her alley. Thank you. Desiree 
> I > dunno… It only happened twice so far… Its not an infection… its > odd that she’ll pee right next to me, practically on me when she knows > she’s gonna get scolded. I’m just hoping she won’t do it again..