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I came to this forum hoping to get some good advice re. my dogs… after just a cursory look I can see you guys are more interested in slinging mud at each other than actually doing anything constructive, so I’ll be looking elsewhere.. you should be ashamed of yourselves, you’re giving all dog-owners a bad name. Grow Up!!!! * Sent from RemarQ http://www.remarq.com The Internet’s Discussion Network * The fastest and easiest way to search and participate in Usenet – Free!

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> I came to this forum hoping to get some good advice re. my > dogs… after just a cursory look I can see you guys are more > interested in slinging mud at each other than actually doing > anything constructive, so I’ll be looking elsewhere.. you should > be ashamed of yourselves, you’re giving all dog-owners a bad > name. Grow Up!!!!

    Why don’t you just take more than a ‘cursory look’. You happened in at a very bad time in the group. It’s a problem we’ve been trying to deal with for over a year, and it is easy to avoid. Plus it isn’t very polite to jump in here and slam everyone, then leave. Think about it. You just did what you accuse all of us of doing. <BG>     Use your killfile for certain ppl, and certain threads, and you’ll be much happier. If you need help, I’ll be glad to do so, in e-mail, if you’d like. MaryBeth About dogs: Well, that lady didn’t take CC, as I had hoped. Her mom said no to the whole dog thing. Still looking for a home for her, if anyone’s interested.

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>About dogs: Well, that lady didn’t take CC, as I had hoped. Her mom said no >to the whole dog thing..

that’s too bad.  i hope something turns up soon.  are you still making her call you Ms. Smiff? >Still looking for a home for her, if anyone’s interested.

well, i asked mistress eeevil kitty and she said that only the cats are allowed to have pointy ears in *her* house.  i tried, though. <G> shelly and elliott & harriet http://members.home.net/scouvrette/index/ — I recommend to all rpdb readers that Jerry Howe should be ignored as a crank and waste of time

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> I came to this forum hoping to get some good advice re. my > dogs… after just a cursory look I can see you guys are more > interested in slinging mud at each other than actually doing > anything constructive, so I’ll be looking elsewhere.. you should > be ashamed of yourselves, you’re giving all dog-owners a bad > name. Grow Up!!!!

Excellent post, Perrito. Check back in on us in a few more weeks. I have it on GOOD AUTHORITY that there will be a DEFINITE TREND towards better posting and respectable manners, as our Gang Of Thugs either recognizes the error of their ways and REHABILITATES themselves, or finds SOMEPLACE ELSE, where such behavior is acceptable… we are in the process of raising our standards. Thank you for being concerned enough to NOTICE and to BRING YOUR VIEWS to our attention. Jerry. "Thus we should beware of clinging to vulgar opinions, and judge things by reason’s way, not by popular say." Montaigne "Violence is the last refuge of the incompetent." Salvor Hardin "If you cannot convince them, confuse them." H.S. Truman. ;~) DRAINING THE SWAMP, AND RELOCATING THE GATORS… J>>> "CUSTOM WILL RECONCILE PEOPLE TO ANY ATROCITY." G.B. Shaw. "I know that most men, including those at ease with problems of the greatest complexity, can seldom accept even the simplest and most obvious truth if it would oblige them to admit the falsity of conclusions which they have delighted in explaining to colleagues, proudly taught to others, and which they have woven, thread by thread, into the fabric of their lives."                                              Leo Tolstoy Is it any wonder that the following sig file has generated more complaints to my personal email than any other controversial post I have made to date, bar none?:                                             caveat If you have to do things to your dog to train him, that you would rather not have to do, then you shouldn’t be doing them. If you have a dog trainer that tells you to jerk your dog around, choke him, pinch his ears, or twist his toes, shock, shake, slap, scold, hit, or punish him in any manner, that corrections are appropriate, that the dog won’t think of you as the punisher, or that corrections are not harmful, or if they can’t train your dog to do what you want, look for a trainer that knows Howe. Sincerely, Jerry Howe, Wits’ End Dog Training http://www.doggydoright.com Nature, to be mastered, must be obeyed.                       -Francis Bacon- There are terrible people who, instead of solving a problem, bungle it and make it more difficult for all who come after.  Who ever can’t hit the nail on the head should, please, not hit at all.                      -Nietzsche- The abilities to think, rationalize and solve problems are learned qualities. The Wits’ End Dog Training Method challenges the learning centers in the dogs brain. These centers, once challenged, develop and continue to grow exponentially, to make him smarter. The Wits’ End Dog Training method capitalizes on praising split seconds of canine thought, strategy, and timing, not mindless hours of forced repetition, constant corrections, and scolding.                   -Jerry Howe-

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Hello mb,

> Why don’t you just take more than a ‘cursory look’.

Probably because as a decent, normal, intelligent, reasonable human being, he WOULD PUKE. > You happened in at a very bad time in the group.

Oh? Is THAT SO? Was there EVER A GOOD time for rpdb? Hardly, or I would not have had to come in here to DRAIN this SWAMP and RELOCATE the ‘GATORS, in the first place… > It’s a problem we’ve been trying to deal with for over a year, > and it is easy to avoid.

Easy to avoid? Hardly. I’m to rpdb what the plague was to Europe. Except I’m killing the rats carrying the plague. Our Gang Of Thugs has a LONG HISTORY of dealing with EVERY COMPETENT TRAINER WHO HAS EVER COME HERE in like fashion… You’ve harassed, ridiculed, denigrated, threatened, lied, misquoted, and pulled every DIRTY trick your sinister little minds could think of to GET RID OF THE WHISTLEBLOWER… and KILL THE MESSENGER… HOWEver, I’ve been in this business for three dozen years fighting tooth and nail with the same sort of characters in PERSON, one on one… it’s MUCH BETTER for me to work HERE, where I can cut many of the heads off of this BEAST all at once… my favorite pastime, slaying dragons and relocating ‘gators. I was very well aware of what was going to occure… when you endeavor to drain the swamp, you’re likely to find yourself up to your butt in ‘gators. Is that bad? Certainly not, it means you’ve drained the swamp… now you’ve got all the ‘gators in plain view. > Plus it isn’t very polite to jump in here and slam everyone, then >

leave. POLITE? Coming from the likes of YOU, that’s an oxyoron. >  Think about it.

No, YOU think about it, mb… YOU DEFEND HURTING DOGS. YOU DEFEND DOG ABUSERS. YOU LIE. >  You just did what you accuse all of us of doing. <BG>

I’ll be wiping that big grin right off your snyde mug. >  Use your killfile for certain ppl, and certain threads, and you’ll > be much happier.

No, he’ll miss most of the information. YOU and the Gang Of Thugs will be much happier, believing that these people are STUPID and KEEPING THEM UNINFORMED can ONLY benefit the DOG ABUSERS I EMBARRASS, CONDEMN, and EXPOSE. > If you need help, I’ll be glad to do so, in e-mail, if you’d > like.

HELLO? HELLO??? He’s COMPLAINING about YOU and the Gang Of Thugs. YOU are the reason the good folks LEAVE HERE IN DISGUST. > MaryBeth

Your Best Friend, Jerry. "Thus we should beware of clinging to vulgar opinions, and judge things by reason’s way, not by popular say." Montaigne "Violence is the last refuge of the incompetent." Salvor Hardin "If you cannot convince them, confuse them." H.S. Truman. ;~) DRAINING THE SWAMP, AND RELOCATING THE GATORS… J>>> "CUSTOM WILL RECONCILE PEOPLE TO ANY ATROCITY." G.B. Shaw. "I know that most men, including those at ease with problems of the greatest complexity, can seldom accept even the simplest and most obvious truth if it would oblige them to admit the falsity of conclusions which they have delighted in explaining to colleagues, proudly taught to others, and which they have woven, thread by thread, into the fabric of their lives."                                              Leo Tolstoy Is it any wonder that the following sig file has generated more complaints to my personal email than any other controversial post I have made to date, bar none?:                                             caveat If you have to do things to your dog to train him, that you would rather not have to do, then you shouldn’t be doing them. If you have a dog trainer that tells you to jerk your dog around, choke him, pinch his ears, or twist his toes, shock, shake, slap, scold, hit, or punish him in any manner, that corrections are appropriate, that the dog won’t think of you as the punisher, or that corrections are not harmful, or if they can’t train your dog to do what you want, look for a trainer that knows Howe. Sincerely, Jerry Howe, Wits’ End Dog Training http://www.doggydoright.com Nature, to be mastered, must be obeyed.                       -Francis Bacon- There are terrible people who, instead of solving a problem, bungle it and make it more difficult for all who come after.  Who ever can’t hit the nail on the head should, please, not hit at all.                      -Nietzsche- The abilities to think, rationalize and solve problems are learned qualities. The Wits’ End Dog Training Method challenges the learning centers in the dogs brain. These centers, once challenged, develop and continue to grow exponentially, to make him smarter. The Wits’ End Dog Training method capitalizes on praising split seconds of canine thought, strategy, and timing, not mindless hours of forced repetition, constant corrections, and scolding.                   -Jerry Howe-

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NEW ?? Here IsThe WayYou Can Get Rid Of GARBAGE POSTS Hi,    Are you here to learn about dogs? Do you need assistance? Are you tired and sickened by the anger, insults, innuendoes, false accusations and unprofessional posts that appear here? Try killfiling(filtering) out certain trouble makers and those that spend all their time yah-yahing others. Don’t worry, you won’t miss any valuable tips. All you will miss is the childish nonsense. Dianne Shoenberg recently posted some valuable advice. I followed it and now for the first time in many years, do find this newsgroup a pleasant place. And yes, the trolls will still yah-yah-yah-yah-yah,insult, slander and catcall. But what I don’t see, will not bother me. – Hide quoted text — Show quoted text -(Dianne Schoenberg) writes: >Most, though not all, newsreaders enable you to automatically mark >certain posts or threads as read. This is usually referred to as a >killfile or a filter. Instructions on how to create a killfile for >some of the more common newsreaders are below. If yours isn’t listed, >try looking in your browser under "help." >Disclaimer: These instructions have been compiled from a variety >of sources. I only use rn myself so if the instructions below can’t >help you, I can’t either. Conversely, if you have any additions or >corrections to this list, please feel free to email me at >reposted. >Many, many thanks to everyone who’s contributed!–Dianne >AGENT >   Pull down the ‘Window’ on the Menu. Go to Usenet Filters and click on >   that. >   The first icon on the toolbox should be to ‘Add Kill Filter’. Click >   on that. >   The edit window will come up. In the area ‘Filter Expression’, write >   ‘Jerry Howe’. And then under ‘Kill Action’, mark whatever little >   button you want. >AOL 5.0 (note: versions prior to 5.0 lack killfiles) >   From the newsgroups window, choose preferences and a window will open >   that says, "Global newsgroup preferences." Click on the filtering >   tab (there should be filtering, viewing, and posting tabs). Select >   filter type from the pulldown menu. Enter the filter in the text field >   below the pulldown menu. Then click on the "add filter" button below >   the text field. Then click "save" at the bottom of the page, and >   you’re done. >FREE AGENT >   Regrettably, Free Agent does not have a filter feature. Shell out >   the few bucks for the upgrade; I’m told you won’t regret it. >MT NEWSREADER FOR THE MAC: >   Lets you killfile in a large number of ways. When a window showing >   one article is foremost (and when an article is highlighted in a window >   showing the list of articles for a group), a couple of entries on the >   ‘Filter’ submenu of the Edit menu are enabled. These are ‘Filter this >   author…’ and ‘Filter this subject…’, which create author or subject >   filters for the active articles respectively. >NETSCAPE COMMUNICATOR >   Under the Edit Menu, choose the Message Filters… command. >   In the resulting dialog box, click the New button to define a new >   filter. Give the filter a name, like "Filter Jerry." >   Set the criteria for the filter. For example, "sender is Jerry Howe" >   or "subject contains lying". >   Select what to do with filtered messages (delete, ignore, etc…) >   Click OK. You may have to disconnect and reconnect for it to take >   effect. >OUTLOOK EXPRESS 5.0 >   Go to the toolbar at the top of any post written by the person you >   wish to banish from your computer. Click on "Message"; then, on the >   drop-down menu, click on "Block Sender". >RN & TRN >   To create a global killfile in either of these newsreaders, create a >   file in your News directory called KILL (this must be in all capital >   letters). Use any text editor to enter the following line into it: >   newsgroup you read. >X-NEWS >   When reading an article, press ‘k’ to add the poster to the plonk >   file. It will then ask you for an expiration period – 100 days is >   the default.  If you want a person permanently zapped, change "100" >   to "0".

Here is another addition to the above : >Howe to be Jerry-free >If you filter out a combo of messages from Jerry and messages about Jerry >(with subjects ‘ninnyboy’, ‘babycakes’, ‘Jerry’, ‘choke’, ‘choking’, and all >permutations of ‘Wits’ End’) your time here will be virtually Jerry-free. >For filtering out Jerry’s other personalities, also add posts from Lawrence >and Anonymous. >Cate

   If you have trouble setting up the above, just post your request for help. Call it "NEED HELP FILTERING" , and someone will be glad to assist. There are many caring and knowledgeable posters here that will give you great tips on dogs. Don’t let the nuts discourage you. Now let’s talk dawgs, Bob Maida Dog Training/Problem Counseling since 1969 Herndon, Virginia    Do make your visit here pleasant. Filter out the Trolls, Troublemakers, and Malcontents. If you are not one of the above, that line should not have offended you.

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Hey, I just joined this newsgroup last week. It is okay, try dog behavior if you like that better. I feel welcomed here. What question do you have?

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Why don’t you try following ALL of the threads before youalso start slinging mud at everyone? – Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – >I came to this forum hoping to get some good advice re. my >dogs… after just a cursory look I can see you guys are more >interested in slinging mud at each other than actually doing >anything constructive, so I’ll be looking elsewhere.. you should >be ashamed of yourselves, you’re giving all dog-owners a bad >name. Grow Up!!!! >* Sent from RemarQ http://www.remarq.com The Internet’s Discussion Network * >The fastest and easiest way to search and participate in Usenet – Free!

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There was always a good time in rpdp until you ventured in – Hide quoted text — Show quoted text ->Hello mb, > Why don’t you just take more than a ‘cursory look’. >Probably because as a decent, normal, intelligent, reasonable human >being, he WOULD PUKE. > You happened in at a very bad time in the group. >Oh? Is THAT SO? Was there EVER A GOOD time for rpdb? Hardly, or I >would not have had to come in here to DRAIN this SWAMP and RELOCATE >the ‘GATORS, in the first place… > It’s a problem we’ve been trying to deal with for over a year, > and it is easy to avoid. >Easy to avoid? Hardly. I’m to rpdb what the plague was to Europe. >Except I’m killing the rats carrying the plague. >Our Gang Of Thugs has a LONG HISTORY of dealing with EVERY COMPETENT >TRAINER WHO HAS EVER COME HERE in like fashion… You’ve harassed, >ridiculed, denigrated, >threatened, lied, misquoted, and pulled every DIRTY trick your >sinister little minds could think of to GET RID OF THE >WHISTLEBLOWER… and KILL THE MESSENGER… >HOWEver, I’ve been in this business for three dozen years fighting >tooth and nail with the same sort of characters in PERSON, one on >one… it’s MUCH BETTER for me to work HERE, where I can cut many of >the heads off of this BEAST all at once… my favorite pastime, >slaying dragons and relocating ‘gators. >I was very well aware of what was going to occure… when you >endeavor to drain the swamp, you’re likely to find yourself up to >your butt in ‘gators. Is that bad? Certainly not, it means you’ve >drained the swamp… now you’ve got all the ‘gators in plain view. > Plus it isn’t very polite to jump in here and slam everyone, then > >leave. >POLITE? Coming from the likes of YOU, that’s an oxyoron. >  Think about it. >No, YOU think about it, mb… >YOU DEFEND HURTING DOGS. >YOU DEFEND DOG ABUSERS. >YOU LIE. >  You just did what you accuse all of us of doing. <BG> >I’ll be wiping that big grin right off your snyde mug. >  Use your killfile for certain ppl, and certain threads, and you’ll > be much happier. >No, he’ll miss most of the information. YOU and the Gang Of Thugs >will be much happier, believing that these people are STUPID and >KEEPING THEM UNINFORMED can ONLY benefit the DOG ABUSERS I EMBARRASS, >CONDEMN, and EXPOSE. > If you need help, I’ll be glad to do so, in e-mail, if you’d > like. >HELLO? HELLO??? He’s COMPLAINING about YOU and the Gang Of Thugs. YOU >are the reason the good folks LEAVE HERE IN DISGUST. > MaryBeth >Your Best Friend, Jerry. >"Thus we should beware of clinging to vulgar opinions, and >judge things by reason’s way, not by popular say." Montaigne >"Violence is the last refuge of the incompetent." Salvor Hardin >"If you cannot convince them, confuse them." H.S. Truman. >;~) DRAINING THE SWAMP, AND RELOCATING THE GATORS… J>>> >"CUSTOM WILL RECONCILE PEOPLE TO ANY ATROCITY." G.B. Shaw. >"I know that most men, including those at ease with problems >of the greatest complexity, can seldom accept even the >simplest and most obvious truth if it would oblige them to >admit the falsity of conclusions which they have delighted in >explaining to colleagues, proudly taught to others, and which >they have woven, thread by thread, into the fabric of their >lives." >                                             Leo Tolstoy >Is it any wonder that the following sig file has generated more >complaints to my personal email than any other controversial >post I have made to date, bar none?: >                                            caveat >If you have to do things to your dog to train him, that you would >rather not have to do, then you shouldn’t be doing them. If you >have a dog trainer that tells you to jerk your dog around, choke >him, pinch his ears, or twist his toes, shock, shake, slap, scold, >hit, or punish him in any manner, that corrections are >appropriate, that the dog won’t think of you as the punisher, >or that corrections are not harmful, or if they can’t train your >dog to do what you want, look for a trainer that knows Howe. >Sincerely, >Jerry Howe, >Wits’ End Dog Training >http://www.doggydoright.com >Nature, to be mastered, must be obeyed. >                      -Francis Bacon- >There are terrible people who, instead of solving a problem, >bungle it and make it more difficult for all who come after.  Who >ever can’t hit the nail on the head should, please, not hit at all. >                     -Nietzsche- >The abilities to think, rationalize and solve problems are learned >qualities. >The Wits’ End Dog Training Method challenges the learning >centers in the dogs brain. These centers, once challenged, >develop and continue to grow exponentially, to make him smarter. >The Wits’ End Dog Training method capitalizes on praising split >seconds of canine thought, strategy, and timing, not mindless >hours of forced repetition, constant corrections, and scolding. >                  -Jerry Howe-

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> There was always a good time in rpdp until you ventured in

[the usual] Re. Jerry being a pestilence, a blight, a plague: Killfile = Penicillin Cate

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Sure. YOU CLOWNS HAD A FIELD DAY JERKING AND CHOKING AND HANGING DOGS with NO ONE AT HOME to WATCH YOU… You guys "train" dogs like a bunch of juvenile delinquents torturing a dog in the park… EVERYBODY’S MAD because NOW there’s a BABYSITTER who will EMBARRASS YOU everytime you do something STUPID… Grow up. Get smart. Learn HOWE to handle and train dogs CORRECTLY… THERE IS NOT JUSTIFICATION FOR HURTING DOGS TO TRAIN THEM. Your best friend, Jerry.

– Hide quoted text — Show quoted text -> There was always a good time in rpdp until you ventured in >Hello mb, >> Why don’t you just take more than a ‘cursory look’. >Probably because as a decent, normal, intelligent, reasonable human >being, he WOULD PUKE. >> You happened in at a very bad time in the group. >Oh? Is THAT SO? Was there EVER A GOOD time for rpdb? Hardly, or I >would not have had to come in here to DRAIN this SWAMP and RELOCATE >the ‘GATORS, in the first place… >> It’s a problem we’ve been trying to deal with for over a year, >> and it is easy to avoid. >Easy to avoid? Hardly. I’m to rpdb what the plague was to Europe. >Except I’m killing the rats carrying the plague. >Our Gang Of Thugs has a LONG HISTORY of dealing with EVERY COMPETENT >TRAINER WHO HAS EVER COME HERE in like fashion… You’ve harassed, >ridiculed, denigrated, >threatened, lied, misquoted, and pulled every DIRTY trick your >sinister little minds could think of to GET RID OF THE >WHISTLEBLOWER… and KILL THE MESSENGER… >HOWEver, I’ve been in this business for three dozen years fighting >tooth and nail with the same sort of characters in PERSON, one on >one… it’s MUCH BETTER for me to work HERE, where I can cut many of >the heads off of this BEAST all at once… my favorite pastime, >slaying dragons and relocating ‘gators. >I was very well aware of what was going to occure… when you >endeavor to drain the swamp, you’re likely to find yourself up to >your butt in ‘gators. Is that bad? Certainly not, it means you’ve >drained the swamp… now you’ve got all the ‘gators in plain view. >> Plus it isn’t very polite to jump in here and slam everyone, then > >leave. >POLITE? Coming from the likes of YOU, that’s an oxyoron. >>  Think about it. >No, YOU think about it, mb… >YOU DEFEND HURTING DOGS. >YOU DEFEND DOG ABUSERS. >YOU LIE. >>  You just did what you accuse all of us of doing. <BG> >I’ll be wiping that big grin right off your snyde mug. >>  Use your killfile for certain ppl, and certain threads, and you’ll >> be much happier. >No, he’ll miss most of the information. YOU and the Gang Of Thugs >will be much happier, believing that these people are STUPID and >KEEPING THEM UNINFORMED can ONLY benefit the DOG ABUSERS I EMBARRASS, >CONDEMN, and EXPOSE. >> If you need help, I’ll be glad to do so, in e-mail, if you’d >> like. >HELLO? HELLO??? He’s COMPLAINING about YOU and the Gang Of Thugs. YOU >are the reason the good folks LEAVE HERE IN DISGUST. >> MaryBeth >Your Best Friend, Jerry. >"Thus we should beware of clinging to vulgar opinions, and >judge things by reason’s way, not by popular say." Montaigne >"Violence is the last refuge of the incompetent." Salvor Hardin >"If you cannot convince them, confuse them." H.S. Truman. >;~) DRAINING THE SWAMP, AND RELOCATING THE GATORS… J>>> >"CUSTOM WILL RECONCILE PEOPLE TO ANY ATROCITY." G.B. Shaw. >"I know that most men, including those at ease with problems >of the greatest complexity, can seldom accept even the >simplest and most obvious truth if it would oblige them to >admit the falsity of conclusions which they have delighted in >explaining to colleagues, proudly taught to others, and which >they have woven, thread by thread, into the fabric of their >lives." >                                             Leo Tolstoy >Is it any wonder that the following sig file has generated more >complaints to my personal email than any other controversial >post I have made to date, bar none?: >                                            caveat >If you have to do things to your dog to train him, that you would >rather not have to do, then you shouldn’t be doing them. If you >have a dog trainer that tells you to jerk your dog around, choke >him, pinch his ears, or twist his toes, shock, shake, slap, scold, >hit, or punish him in any manner, that corrections are >appropriate, that the dog won’t think of you as the punisher, >or that corrections are not harmful, or if they can’t train your >dog to do what you want, look for a trainer that knows Howe. >Sincerely, >Jerry Howe, >Wits’ End Dog Training >http://www.doggydoright.com >Nature, to be mastered, must be obeyed. >                      -Francis Bacon- >There are terrible people who, instead of solving a problem, >bungle it and make it more difficult for all who come after.  Who >ever can’t hit the nail on the head should, please, not hit at all. >                     -Nietzsche- >The abilities to think, rationalize and solve problems are learned >qualities. >The Wits’ End Dog Training Method challenges the learning >centers in the dogs brain. These centers, once challenged, >develop and continue to grow exponentially, to make him smarter. >The Wits’ End Dog Training method capitalizes on praising split >seconds of canine thought, strategy, and timing, not mindless >hours of forced repetition, constant corrections, and scolding. >                  -Jerry Howe-

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Why so hostile, guilty conscience? j;~]

– Hide quoted text — Show quoted text -> Why don’t you try following ALL of the threads before youalso start > slinging mud at everyone? >I came to this forum hoping to get some good advice re. my >dogs… after just a cursory look I can see you guys are more >interested in slinging mud at each other than actually doing >anything constructive, so I’ll be looking elsewhere.. you should >be ashamed of yourselves, you’re giving all dog-owners a bad >name. Grow Up!!!! >* Sent from RemarQ http://www.remarq.com The Internet’s Discussion Network * >The fastest and easiest way to search and participate in Usenet – Free!

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