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Jerry Howe this is your life http://www.i1.net/~dogman/jerry.html Before you buy.
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> > What does it mean to killfile someone, and how do I do it? > news.announce.newusers Usenet or the web. > Jack
Here’s Soup’s killfile advice: Hello Soup, Sounds like BUNK to me… What evidence do you have to support your proposition the brain is really capable of recognizing and discriminating good from bad information??? There is NO EVIDENCE whatsoever supporting what you suggest here, and I think you are just trying to SCAM good people out of their minds, by making them use them all up… PEOPLE!!! Don’t listen to this scam artist who only wants you to think so he can scam you out of you mind while it is being preoccupied with his distraction technique… Don’t be fooled! Thinking can be dangerous! Reading information will give you ideas. Caveat Emptor. Jerry.
– Hide quoted text — Show quoted text -> HOW TO FILTER POSTS ON NEWSGROUPS WITHOUT KILLFILES > A SUPERDOG STATION EXCLUSIVE > I’ve found this incredible way to filter posts which I want > to share with you all, actually, I’ve been using it for a > few years now and you won’t believe it when I tell you how > powerful it is…I know this sounds complicated, but all you > have to do is look at posts/threads, decide which you think > you might want to read, and then read them. The ones you > don’t want to read, (listen carefully now…you don’t > read). > You see, you actually use something called your "BraIN" and > believe it or not, your eyes cooperate and if your "BraIN" > tells them not to read something, they won’t. Of course, > your hand has to cooperate with your brain by not clicking > unless it is told to. > Sexual predators, Heads of State, mimes, and people with > Parkinson’s Disease often have trouble controlling their > hands, but most everyone else should be okay. > Scientists have proven the filtering ability of the brain > with double blind experiments in Rhesus Monkeys. Of course, > many critics argue that doubly blinded monkeys are rendered > poor subjects for experiments involving sight and/or > perception, but what do these yahyahhing critics know > anyway? > Anyway, this "BraIN" thing is really cool. Many of you > people should try it sometime. It’s good for other things > besides newsgroups too! You can impress all your friends > and neighbors with it, and you can even use it to seduce > older teenagers like Britney Spears, middle-aged teenagers > like Christina Aguilera or even brand spankin new teenagers > like Mandy Moore, if they live close by. > DISCLAIMER: > (please do not trespass on private property to seduce > teenagers, regardless of age, unless you get written > permission from their parents or guardians). > HOW TO USE YOUR BRAIN IN NETSCAPE > Instead of filtering people, I filter threads and posts. I > typically read about 10-20% of the posts here, because I > don’t have time to read them all….in Netscape, I just read > the ones I want to read, then I hit SHIFT-C (which marks all > messages read) > Or…the long way by clicking up top > Messages—> > Mark—-> > all read > Then I just close the window and I’m done. Then next time I > open it, only new messages appear. If I find an interesting > thread, where I want to go back and read the whole thing, I > can go back and mark the whole thread unread and read it. > View—> > Messages—> > all > HOW TO USE YOUR BRAIN IN OUTLOOK > read the help > HOW TO USE YOUR BRAIN IN AGENT > read the help > HOW TO USE YOUR BRAIN IN AOL > obviously, if you use AOL for newsgroups you can’t > JUST KIDDING! I was just yah yahhing you there. > read the help > HOW TO USE YOUR BRAIN IN EUDORA > read the help > HOW TO USE YOUR BRAIN IN XNEWS > read the help > HOW TO USE YOUR BRAIN in other programs, > see above and extrapolate (a fancy way of using your brain) > Yours for dogs, law and order, the American Way, and the > keeping of the ruffians, the ya yahhers, the troublemakers, > the cat callers, and the "up to no good" at bay… > This is Michael > Reporting Live… > http://dogtv.com
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>Dianne has a post about how to killfile with various newsreaders (a deja >search should show the article, but maybe someone can repost it).
Glad you asked! Reposted by popular demand: Most, though not all, newsreaders enable you to automatically mark certain posts or threads as read. This is usually referred to as a killfile or a filter. Instructions on how to create a killfile for some of the more common newsreaders are below. If yours isn’t listed, try looking in your browser under "help." Disclaimer: These instructions have been compiled from a variety of sources. I only use rn myself so if the instructions below can’t help you, I can’t either. Conversely, if you have any additions or corrections to this list, please feel free to email me at reposted. Many, many thanks to everyone who’s contributed!–Dianne AGENT Pull down the ‘Window’ on the Menu. Go to Usenet Filters and click on that. The first icon on the toolbox should be to ‘Add Kill Filter’. Click on that. The edit window will come up. In the area ‘Filter Expression’, write ’Jerry Howe’. And then under ‘Kill Action’, mark whatever little button you want. AOL 5.0 (note: versions prior to 5.0 lack killfiles) From the newsgroups window, choose preferences and a window will open that says, "Global newsgroup preferences." Click on the filtering tab (there should be filtering, viewing, and posting tabs). Select filter type from the pulldown menu. Enter the filter in the text field below the pulldown menu. Then click on the "add filter" button below the text field. Then click "save" at the bottom of the page, and you’re done. FREE AGENT Regrettably, Free Agent does not have a filter feature. Shell out the few bucks for the upgrade; I’m told you won’t regret it. MT NEWSREADER FOR THE MAC: Lets you killfile in a large number of ways. When a window showing one article is foremost (and when an article is highlighted in a window showing the list of articles for a group), a couple of entries on the ’Filter’ submenu of the Edit menu are enabled. These are ‘Filter this author…’ and ‘Filter this subject…’, which create author or subject filters for the active articles respectively. NETSCAPE COMMUNICATOR Under the Edit Menu, choose the Message Filters… command. In the resulting dialog box, click the New button to define a new filter. Give the filter a name, like "Filter Jerry." Set the criteria for the filter. For example, "sender is Jerry Howe" or "subject contains ninnyboy". Select what to do with filtered messages (delete, ignore, etc…) Click OK. You may have to disconnect and reconnect for it to take effect. OUTLOOK EXPRESS 5.0 Go to the toolbar at the top of any post written by the person you wish to banish from your computer. Click on "Message"; then, on the drop-down menu, click on "Block Sender". To filter out certain messages rather than blocking a sender entirely you can create message ‘rules.’ Say you want to filter out all messages containing ‘ninnyboy’ in the subject line. Go to Message, Create Rule from Message. Select the condition for each message rule you want to create and apply. RN & TRN To create a global killfile in either of these newsreaders, create a file in your News directory called KILL (this must be in all capital letters). Use any text editor to enter the following line into it: newsgroup you read. TIN Read a message from the person you want to killfile or with the subject heading you want to killfile. While that’s on the screen, hit ctrl and k at the same time (^k). A questionaire type screen appears. Return is like saying yes. Space will toggle from the "subject header" to the "sent from" line. In other words, you can choose to kill anything from a particular person or to kill anything with a particular word in the subject heading. I recommend killfiling people instead of killfiling words because I might want to kill a subject about "lying dirt bags" today but want to read something about a dog "lying in dirt" tomorrow. The people stay more constant than the subject lines. Toggle with the space bar until you have the combination you want and then hit return several times to send. The subject line and sent from line should already be typed in if you were in the message screen when you hit ctrl k. Doesn’t work? There’s a question that reads kill pattern. Sometimes I have to type in the person’s name exactly the way it reads on the sent from line. I’m not sure why. X-NEWS When reading an article, press ‘k’ to add the poster to the plonk file. It will then ask you for an expiration period – 100 days is the default. If you want a person permanently zapped, change "100" to "0". XRN (At least, version 9.02. Don’t know about earlier versions) With an article from the troll in question selected, hold shift while clicking the "Author Kill" button to kill for the current group. To kill for ALL groups, use the Control key instead of the shift key.
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> Thanks for the warning, Kim. 
> I’d offer a word of warning about our resident troll HOWEdy > doody, for you, in exchange for this info. > Be forewarned, don’t be fooled by his sig file or his thinly > veiled ‘niceness’. (Ick it even hurt my fingers to type those words on a > sentence, together.) <G>
Yes, it should hurt you. Here’s an introduction to marybeth’s friends. http://www.dobbsdogs.com/library/schutzhund/schh3.htm lyingfrostydahly: ">>>Get a stick 30- or 40-inches long. You can have a helper wield the stick, or do it yourself. Tougher, less tractable dogs may require you to progress to striking them more sharply.>>> >> With your hand on the collar and ear, say, "fetch."
Immediately tap the dog on the hindquarters with the stick. Repeat "fetch" and pinch the ear all the way to the dummy. >>Repeat, varying how hard you hit the dog,>>>"
Wouldn’t you think that was despicable enough even just writing that, let alone risk suffering the embarrassment of not only having that attributed to yourself, but in fact denying your best work and PROVING YOURSELF A SHAMELESS LIAR AND ADVOCATE OF DOG ABUSE??? YOUR pals make it EASY for me to RUIN THEIR REPUTATIONS… and cause them irreparable HARM in their ”field of expertise”… if they just stop posting, I’ll have to WORK at discrediting you bums. Do the rescue folks KNOW HOWE your pals twist and pinch dog’s ears and toes, and jerk, choke, and shock dogs because they’ve got so many dogs to HELP and such little time to do it in??? Does anybody know HOWE a dog sounds when he’s SQUEALING because his ears or toes are being pinched and twisted? Cindy moore and amy dahl do. Ask them. They’ll tell you they don’t twist? They’ll tell you they don’t hurt? cindymoron’ll tell you she’s DEAF, and she can’t HEAR them scream, so it doesn’t mean anything to her. Prove there’s even any sound when dogs scream because she’s hurting them… She’ll tell you that FEAR, FORCE, AND PUNISHMENT is necessary for ALL "ADVANCED TRAINING", to enhance the bond between "trainer" and dog and achieve the higher aspects of obedience through TWISTING and PINCHING EARS and TOES, and BEATING DOGS WITH STICKS… Let’s hear cindy moore and pals SQUEAL for a change. Ask her about the toe hitch. Ask her about "table work." Ask her why she HURTS dogs, and calls that training? Ask her why she WON’T answer these questions like her pal lyingfrostydahly did below, when she EARNED HER LYING TITLE??? Here’s what our respected friend and rpdb contributor amy dahl has to say about ear and toe pinching and twisting and BEATING DOGS WITH STICKS to MOTIVATE them. TELL US YOU DON’T DO THE SAME THINGS, cindymoron…: Amy Dahl LIES with a straight face and says: >>> I don’t beat dogs, twist ears, or pinch toes. > > http://www.oakhillkennel.com/library/force/force1.html > > http://www.oakhillkennel.com/library/force/force2.html???
Aren’t those YOUR OWN WORDS??? But YOU don’t DO THAT??? People, this is HOWE consistency works, and most particularly well with dogs, because here, the same methods are being used to INFLUENCE YOU, and YOU certainly are more intellectually capable of solving problems and have greater critical thinking skills than your dogs…, and these methods work on YOU. >> That article, reprinted from The Retriever Journal, is >> the words of my husband John and myself.
Meaning "We’ll share the credit, making it more credible??? Or we’ll share the blame, to mitigate our own individual responsibility and guilt…" YOU decide, it’s not my business where the blame falls. >>> For the benefit of anyone who is in doubt, and who chooses >>> not to read the article, there is NO mention in it of "twisting >>> ears,"
From the text">>>" ">>>Now you are ready to progress to what most people think of as force-fetching: the ear pinch.>>> >>"but will squeal, thrash around, and direct their efforts to
escaping the ear pinch>>> >>You can press the dog’s ear with a shotshell instead of your
thumb;>>> >> even get a studded collar and pinch the ear against
that>>> >> Make the dog’s need to stop the pinching so urgent that
resisting your will fades in importance.>>> >>Say "fetch" while pressing the dummy against its lips and pinching
its ear.>>> >> if the dog still does not open its mouth, get out the shotshell.
Try pinching the ear between the metal casing and the collar, even the buckle on the collar. Persist! Eventually, the dog will give in>>>" Right… Didn’t lyingfrostydahly just deny all of that? There’s more… That was just a little about ear pinching, and no there was NO MENTION of twisting ears… cindy moore has all that information for you… Does it really matter? The semantics of whether we’re twisting or pinching or slapping or hitting or correcting or nicking instead of BURNING??? The only terminology that doesn’t have any NEAT euphemisms to take the CURSE off what our respected "trainers" actually MEAN (see definitions of punishment thread), is HANGING to REHABILITATE the dog, as ALL of our Koehler fans MUST endorse. Also notice the use of "it" for dog and "the" for him or YOUR DOG. That’s not coincidental, it’s all part of the psychologically and very cleverly designed DESENSITIZATION and MISINFORMATION necessary to REDUCE a good person to ACCEPT and DO HORRIBLE THINGS to dogs and TRYING to call ABUSE training. These are the subtle differences between being an expert dog trainer and some morally bankrupt vicious rotten abusive cretin that goes to jail for abusing dogs… But don’t lose interest now folks, there’s more… >> NO mention whatsoever of dogs’ toes in any context, >> and NO mention of "beating" dogs.
RIGHT… . lyingfrostydahly: ">>>Get a stick 30- or 40-inches long. You can have a helper wield the stick, or do it yourself. Tougher, less tractable dogs may require you to progress to striking them more sharply.>>> >> With your hand on the collar and ear, say, "fetch."
Immediately tap the dog on the hindquarters with the stick. Repeat "fetch" and pinch the ear all the way to the dummy. >>Repeat, varying how hard you hit the dog,>>>"
Wouldn’t you think that was despicable enough even just writing that, let alone risk suffering the embarrassment of not only having that attributed to yourself, but in fact denying your best work and PROVING YOURSELF A SHAMELESS LIAR AND ADVOCATE OF DOG ABUSE??? But it goes on… >> chuck (for the uninitiated, "chuck" means strike) the dog
under the chin with your ever-ready right hand while saying "No!">>> >>If the dog drops it, chuck (slap) it solidly under the chin, say
"No! Hold!" use a chuck (slap) under the chin or pinch its ear and place the dummy in its mouth.>>> >> If it doesn’t make rapid progress, you can increase the
pressure by requiring it to pick up the dropped dummy (stay on the ear until it does).>>> >>(perhaps because the ear is getting tender, or the dog has
decided it isn’t worth it).>>> pinch its ear and say, "fetch,">>> Here we have consistency and a plea for reason, directly in contradiction to the blackman and white facts signed and published by our expert trainer… Accordingly, the consistency of constant repetitions of your requests for understanding and compliance from your dogs, dictates that YOU WILL GET IT. So long as you are consistent and keep repeating the exact same scenario, no matter what… Including and especially when you calculatedly and intentionally deny the truth and make your requests seem reasonable, THEY EXPECT YOU TO BELIEVE that such behavior is NORMAL. > In our training we do not do any of these things, nor do we > advocate them to others.
See what I mean? Character, morals, ethics, integrity, human decency? 0.000%. Not a shred. She might have scored 0.001 had she NOT LIED ABOUT IT. >>"Any refusals are corrected with the ear pinch. When
performance is smooth, the stick can be added just as in the fetch from a sitting position. If the previous steps have been carefully done, the dog will soon be lunging eagerly for each dummy as soon as it sees it.>>> This is HOWE they get that happy excited working attitude that they all talk about… That’s their criteria for making their dogs happy, willing team mates…They BEAT IT INTO THE DOG. That’s WHY Jerry’s HIGH-STAKES challenge to frantik fraud die… His dog isn’t working, she’s AVOIDING GETTING BURNED…I’ll walk away with HIS national champion "protection" dog and show him up for the vicious, loudmouthed ignoramus he is. And there’s a jail cell waiting for cindy moore if she ever demonstrates HER forced fetch in front of A JURY composed of ANY DECENT human beings. > Jerry Howe has once again demonstrated his lack of > reading comprehension.
Right. Perhaps that’s because I get a little disturbed with all of the abuse, and I begin reading more into it than what the author intended???… >>"Slip an empty shotshell into your pocket before the next
session. As always, begin with some review. Then sit the dog. Take hold of its buckle collar and ear as follows. Slide the last three fingers of your left hand towards the dog’s head under the collar, and curl them over the collar to grasp it firmly. With your thumb and index finger, pull the dog’s left ear back over the collar (inside up) and hold it there gently. The "ear pinch" is administered by pressing with your thumbnail at the boundary between hair and bare skin (don’t pinch yet). Depending on the size and strength of your hands, you may want to press against the collar or against your index finger.>>> >>You want it to get the idea that the ear-pinch means,>>> If
the dog clenches its mouth shut, you may be in for another extended session. Keep pinching and press the dummy harder against the dog’s lips.>>> >>Repeat "fetch." Again, keep your voice calm. If several
minutes pass and>>> You don’t want the dog to think … read more »
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>What would YOU do to stop your dogs from eating poo before it hits the ground???
Shove a DDR up his ass, it solves any problem
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Hello People, Here’s a "VITAL WARNING" from our respected behaviorist, an educator who PUNISHES DOG’S BEHAVIORS, and NOT THE DOG, associate professor of behavior at Wisconsin University, our own esteemed marshall lyingdoc dermer: > lyingdoc dermer writes: > Dear Readers and Contributors: > I have appended below my second attempt at a FAQ about > Jerry’s products.
Products? I offer the Wits’ End Dog Training Method manual, a FREE, comprehensive text on training WITHOUT FORCE, FEAR, CONFRONTATION, OR PUNISHMENT… Our respected professor NEVER bothered to READ the text, at least NOT PAST the part in the introduction where I CONDEMN the universities and their BOGUS "professors" who teach us to CONFRONT AND PUNISH DOGS for their behavior, instead of TEACHING US SCIENTIFIC METHODS to modify behavior WITHOUT HURTING DOGS. AND, I offer FOR SALE, Doggy Do Right (and Kitty Will Too) http://www.doggydoright.com , a remarkable sound program that REHABILITATES DOG and CAT BEHAVIOR PROBLEMS such as FEAR OF THUNDER, separation anxiety, excessive barking, HYPERACTIVITY, car sickness, and fighting and spraying in cats, to name a FEW behaviors Doggy Do Right (and Kitty Will Too) can CURE WITHOUT TRAINING. > Here are my thoughts:
This ought to be good, doc… > 1. The "FAQ" is now better described as a "Concerns About" > page.
Meaning there is NO SUBSTANCE to your "CONCERNS"… > 2. I am most in debt to Terri for she posted a first draft, but I > did not use all her suggestions. This is basically because I > felt that although her suggestions differed in detail, the basic > problem was the same: Jerry had failed to adequately > support his claim(s).
Here, our good doc is relying on HELP from a vicious, incompetent psychopathic CLOWN, who just bought a pronged choke collar to "train” her FIRST dog, and defends choking, shocking, and HANGING DOGS, and says she only punishes her dog 5% of the time… > 3. I thank Avrama and Dogman for their encouragement, and > Lynn and Fred for their suggestions. If I have missed anyone > else, I am sorry.
Let’s LOOK at the players? OUR friend avrama is a professora, who is MISSING her front teeth because HER dog got FED UP WITH HER JERKING AND CHOKING him to come, so he learned to HURT HER BACK, and BASHED HER TEETH OUT on a recall, and MADE IT LOOK like it was an ACCIDENT. avrama no longer posts here, since stating that chin cuff does not mean HIT the dog. The dog LEARNED this behavior BY COPYING THE ACTIONS AND ATTITUDE of his SNEAKY "trainer," who HURTS HIM, and makes it LOOK like SHE DIDN’T DO IT… It’s called allelomimetic behavior. Just like marshalls’ dog learned to masturbate on his pillow… OUR pal Dogman (a.k.a. lyingdogdDUMMY), HANGS DOGS to REHABILITATE THEM. ‘Nuff said about dogdirtbag. cindymoron and lyingfrosty dahl twist and pinch dog’s ears and toes and BEAT DOGS WITH STICKS…That’s ACCEPTABLE HERE… Next, we have lyinglynn, a pathological liar (first rpdb regular to EARN the lying title in front of her name) and notorious dog abuser. Quoted as saying "I LOVE KOEHLER," she has been arguing both sides of every issue and changing her lies mid stream all along. She was thrown out of catholic college because of her PATHOLOGICAL LYING problem, but she would rather have us believe it was because she was caught whoring around… Then, we’ve got frantik fraud die, our SHOCK COLLAR SALESMAN. Read Jerry’s HIGH-STAKES CHALLENGE to get a better idea of where THIS FREAK is coming from. Here’s a guy who doesn’t understand enough about his product to advise people to PROPERLY CONDITION the dog to the collar prior to use. THAT is a NECESSITY the manufacturers warn users of their products about. Some of the "trainers" here are familiar with the concept, but they won’t speak up, because they want to protect their sleazy little chump chums from EMBARRASSMENT. Finally, we’ve got a crew of Anklebiters, marybeth, lyinglois, terry willis, and a few other cretins who BLOW SMOKE UP YOUR BEHINDS to cover up for their pals who HURT DOGS… >4. When this page is complete, I propose that we simply "sign" > it by placing our names and e-mail addresses at the top of the > page, below the title, alphabetically ordered by our e-mail > addresses.
That’s the ONLY good idea you bums have come up with YET. SIGNING a STATEMENT would help IDENTIFY the abusive MORONS we need to be AWARE OF and AVOID, who will tell us to HURT our dogs to make them WANT TO WORK for AND PROTECT US. > Of course, keep on posting further suggestions. > –Marshall
Concerns About Claims for the Wit’s End Dog Training Method and the Doggy Do Right > We, readers and contributors to rec.pets.dogs.behavior, have > frequently read claims about the Wit’s End Dog Training > Method (WEDTM) and the Doggy Do Right (DDR). We here > document our concerns about just some of the claims > detailed at http://www.doggydoright.com/ (as of 12/26/99) and > in the numerous posts Mr. Jerry Howe, the inventor/promoter, > has made in rec.pets.dogs.behavior newsgroup.
DON’T FAIL TO MENTION that Jerry has been a professional dog trainer specializing in behavior problems and protection for three dozen years… > We have not, however, addressed all claims for two reasons.
You mean: 1) you’ve NEVER READ THE TEXT. 2) IF JERRY IS RIGHT, ALL OF YOU ARE WRONG… > First, we find some claims to be too technical to be easily > discussed here.
FIRST, THERE IS NO BASIS FOR YOUR "CONCERNS," AND YOUR OBJECTIONS ARE ONLY TO DEFEND THE ABUSERS I CONDEMN, WHO ARE HURTING DOGS TO TRAIN THEM. > Secondly, we find that many of the unaddressed claims > suffer from the same problem as those we address here– the > absence of independent, objective supporting evidence.
YOU MEAN INDEPENDENT, OBJECTIVE EVIDENCE FROM PEOPLE LIKE you? All the INFORMATION is in the FREE Wits’ End Dog Training Method manual at http://www.doggydoright.com READ THE TEXT, and DISPROVE IT!!! > Claims Regarding the WEDTM > Claim 1: "The Wits’ End Dog Training Method is the fastest, > gentlest, most effective, comprehensive behavior > modification/obedience and protection training technique > available anywhere." (source: WEDTM manual)
FACT. > Discussion:
DISCUSSION? There has been NO DISCUSSION. OUR respected CRITICS have NEVER READ THE TEXT, and are out to criticize the WEDTM to PROTECT themselves from SCRUTINY AS DOG ABUSERS. > The manual fails to provide a survey of other training > methods, fails to provide data about their effectiveness, and > fails to provide data about their efficacy (how quickly they > work and how much they cost). Although the manual here > makes impressive relative claims for the WEDTM, the manual > presents no supporting data.
The FACTS ARE IN THE TEXT. You can read them for FREE. There IS NO COMPARISON to other training methods, because other training methods are NOT COMPARABLE. > Claim 2: "Our enlightened methods challenge the learning > centers in your dog’s brain. These centers develop and > continue to grow exponentially." (source: WEDTM manual)
FACT. > Discussion: The manual fails to identify these putative > "learning centers" and fails to provide growth data. Moreover, > the manual presents this claim in the present tense with > respect to YOUR dog. Has the author of the WEDTM seen > YOUR dog, seen YOUR dog’s brain, or used the method with > YOUR dog?
Here we’ve got a professor who is TOO LAZY to read the text he is criticizing, and his biggest argument is that the development of higher learning and increase in intelligence through TEACHING dogs instead of FORCING and HURTING them, HAS NOT BEEN PROVEN. His only legitimate grip is with the word exponentially… I agree, that use of the word exponentially was using too powerful a word for true facts of the physiology of the brain. So, if you want to call me a liar for being impressed with a dogs ability to think and solve problems, fine by me… Just make sure you say that dogs can’t LEARN to LEARN… doc dermer would have us raise and train a few dogs, and raise and keep a few untrained dogs, KILL THEM ALL, AND TEST THEIR BRAINS FOR GROWTH… That’s SCIENTIFIC. That is the ONLY CRITERIA that will satisfy our good "professor"… Maybe if dogman has a litter of puppies, the psycho clown and him can do the work, and give the dead dogs to our good professor to examine their brains under an electron microscope??? > Claim 3: "Wits’ End Dog Training is easy, quick, and foolproof, > and works with every time (sic) , with every canine, even > wolves!" (Source: WEDTM manual)
FACT. > Discussion: It is hard to imagine a method whose > effectiveness is independent of a user’s intelligence or skill.
I GUESS STUPIDITY is YOUR PROBLEM . It is RAMPANT HERE, on rpdb…OUR "experts" here ONLY KNOW HURTING and FORCING DOGS, and FOR THAT REASON, NEED to contradict EVERY COMPETENT TRAINER who has ever recommended ways to train dogs WITHOUT HURTING THEM. > Consider something as simple as clipping nails or uncorking a > bottle of wine. Although these tasks are simple, intelligent > people can initially fail. But according to the WEDTM manual, > the WEDTM is foolproof, even the first time! This claim is > inconsistent with common experience.
That’s not surprising. EVERYTHING I say about dog training is INCONSISTENT WITH WHAT YOU "KNOW". > The manual goes further, however, and claims that this > method is foolproof even for training wolves.
FACT Because the Wits’ End Dog Training Method DOES NOT FORCE and INTIMIDATE dogs, we can train the MOST DIFFICULT, MOST DOMINANT DOGS, the ones who would be jerked and choked UNMERCIFULLY, and eventually made VICIOUS and UNTRUSTWORTHY because of CONFRONTATION AND ABUSE disguised as TRAINING, and DESTROYED by our "experts" here… like john richardson our resident pb abuser… or janet boss see the thread "interested in hearing," or … read more »
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Hello alpha wolf,
> You can tell how many of us killfile wacko-howe by remembering that he spews > forth a ton of garbage posts each day and yet you will see very few response > to him.
No, that’s because you are too cowardly to answer the questions… And when I post information, you don’t have any arguments with it. > The rest of us don’t even have to see him…
Yes, the HUNDREDS of post reflect that… j;~} > (I’d call him the invisible man, but he is obviously not a man!)…
Doesn’t matter what I am. This is dog training, not dog choking. You’re a dog choker. > he can jump and whine and stomp his feet and spew garbage into thin air…
And with your 25 years EXPERIENCE, you’re so GOOD, that you’re going to start shocking your dogs. You already use a bark collar. You alpha roll, growl at, and jerk and choke dogs according to koehler. > ya gotta know that frustrates the heck outa a nuisance barker like him. > regards, > toby
It seems most of your posts here ar about ME… Just answer the questions on koehler below.
"Nope. That "beating dogs with sticks" things is something you twisted out of context, because you are full of bizarro manure." Koehler on correcting the housebreaking backslider. "If the punishment is not severe enough, some of these "backsliders" will think they’re winning and will continue to mess in the house. An indelible impression can sometimes be made by giving the dog a hard spanking of long duration, then leaving him tied by the mess he’s made so you can come back at twenty minute intervals and punish him again for the same thing. (Dogs are REALLY stupid. J.H.) In most cases, the dog that deliberately does this disagreeable thing cannot be made reliable by the light spanking that some owners seem to think is adequate punishment. It will be better for your dog, as well as the house, if you really pour it on him." "Read for koehler for content" Mark Shaw, IDIOT, Sadist, rpdb regular. "I LOVE KOHELER" lyinglynn, IDIOT, pathological liar, noted dog abuser. Tell us HOWE the dog understands you coming back every twenty minutes to BEAT THE CRAP OUTTA HIM AGAIN for the same mistake you’ve tied him up next to, to PUNIISH HIM AGAIN for the same mistake??? HOWE do you know the dog don’t think you’re coming back to beat him every twenty minutes for the same mistake, just because you’re mad at him, instead of ONLY TRAINING him??? See what I mean? You can’t justify that. Tell us HOWE the dog knows he shouldn’t be barking? That is, until the beatings take effect, after ENOUGH lessons? Tell us HOWE COME you think dogs might want to take a big chunk out of someone who’s WHIPPING THEM? And when koehler OCCASIONALLY find a dog who objects to his training, why does he HANG the dog, instead of calm them down and teach them there’s nothing to be afraid of??? That’s the only question you CAN answer. The answer is OBVIOUS. koehler trainers are dog abusing COWARDS. Koehler on correcting the Barking Dog Thunder through the door or gate, snatch up the belt that you’ve conveniently placed, and descend on him. He’ll have no chance to dodge if you grab the line and reel him in until his front feet are raised off the floor or, if he’s a big dog, until you’ve snubbed him up with a hitch on something (ceiling hook, rafters, tree limb, door, or even over your shoulder, if you know HOWE. j.h.) While he’s held in close, lay the strap vigorously against his thighs. Keep pouring it on him until he thinks it’s the bitter end. A real whaling now may cut down somewhat on the number of repeat performances that will be necessary. When you’re finished and the dog is convinced that he is, put him on a long down to think things over while you catch your breath. After fifteen or twenty minutes, release him from the stay and leave the area again." lyinglynn writes: > For barking in the crate – leave the leash on and > pass it through the crate door. Attach a line to it. > When he barks, use the line for a correction.
A CORRECTION? You’re going to JERK and CHOKE this new foster dog out of being AFRAID… that’s CORRECTION? lyinlynn says: "I LOVE KOEHLER," and in the next breath denies being a ‘koehler trainer.’ Is that because she ALSO shocks dogs, and koehler never had a shock collar? Pity that he was born too late to benefit from such a wondrous teaching tool, ISN’T it??? (MORE good KOEHLER training below, AFTER lyingfrosty dahl) Amy lyingfrosty dahl LIES with a straight face and says: "I don’t beat dogs, twist ears, or pinch toes. For the benefit of anyone who is in doubt, and who chooses not to read the article (SHE’D REALLY LIKE IT IF YOU DON’T READ IT!), there is NO mention in it of "twisting ears (INDEED, SHE PINCHES THEM WITH SPIKES). "Get a stick 30- or 40-inches long. You can have a helper wield the stick, or do it yourself. Tougher, less tractable dogs may require you to progress to striking them more sharply. REPEAT, VARYING HOW HARD YOU HIT THE DOG. I would never slap a dog (SHE TEACHES PEOPLE TO BEAT DOGS WITH STICKS TO MOTIVATE THEM). I would never advise anyone to slap a dog (SHE’S A PROVEN LIAR AND DOG ABUSER, do you expect her to ADMIT THE TRUTH???). I do not believe there is a single circumstance, ever, where slapping a dog is anything but destructive." RIGHT. She PINCHES, not twists… and chin cuff doesn’t mean hit, according to lyinglynn and avrama…. amy lyingfrosty dahl continues: Make the dog’s need to stop the pinching so urgent that resisting your will fades in importance. but will squeal, thrash around, and direct their efforts to escaping the ear pinch even get a studded collar and pinch the ear against that if the dog still does not open its mouth, get out the shotshell. Try pinching the ear between the metal casing and the collar, even the buckle on the collar. Persist! Eventually, the dog will give in" With your hand on the collar and ear, say, ‘fetch.’ Immediately tap the dog on the hindquarters with the stick. Repeat "fetch" and pinch the ear all the way to the dummy. REPEAT, VARYING HOW HARD YOU HIT THE DOG. You can press the dog’s ear with a shotshell instead of your thumb; Say "fetch" while pressing the dummy against its lips and pinching its ear. Gotta LOVE koehler. dahl makes koheler look like St. Francis. Our professor of behavior Wisc. U., lyingdoc dermer endorses koehler. (He said: "I punish dog’s behavior, NOT the dog." You gonna believe THAT CRAP, PEOPLE???) "There’s much wisdom in koehler," deana pace. (Her dogs run away from home.) "Read koehler," lyingdogDUMMY. (koehler is all he understands.) "Read koehler, cindymorons k-9 web faq’s page," ludwig smith. "Don’t let him do that, read cindymooreon’s web page," boob maida. "I’m not a koehler trainer," cindymoron, lyinglynn, lyingfrosty dahl. But they spout koehler’s methods. They don’t consider themselves koehler trainers because they shock, twist and pinch ears and toes, and BEAT DOGS WITH STICKS to MOTIVATE them. And now for a little MOORE good koehler training: BARKING, WHINING, HOWLING, YODELING, SCREAMING, AND WAILING We’ll begin with the easiest kind of vocalist to correct: the one that charges gates, fences, doors, and windows, barking furiously at familiar or imaginary people and objects. A few clusters of BBs from a good slingshot, in conjunction with the light line and plenty of temptations, will cause such a dog to use his mind rather than his mouth. But you won’t make the permanent impression unless you supply dozens of opportunities for him to exercise the control he thus acquires. Make sure these opportunities don’t always come at the same time of the day, else he may learn to observe the "quiet hour" and pursue his old routines at other times. With the help of the light line, it will be easy to follow the BBs with a long down to make sure he gets the most from his lesson. As was mentioned before, eliminating the senseless barking will not lessen the dog’s value as a watchdog but rather, as he grows more discriminating, increase it. The dog who vocalizes in bratty protest or lonesomeness because you’re gone constitutes a different problem. If it is impractical for someone to stay with him constantly (there are owners who cater to neurosis by employing dog sitters), you’ll have to heed the neighbors and the law and quiet the dog. This calls for a little ingenuity as well as a heavy hand. Attach a line to your dog’s collar, so your corrective effort doesn’t turn into a footrace around the house until you reach a stalemate under the bed. This use of the line in the correction will also serve to establish it as a reminder to be quiet as the dog drags it around when you’re not present. Next, equip yourself with a man’s leather belt or a strap heavy enough to give your particular dog a good tanning. Yup-we’re going to strike him. Real hard. Remember, you’re dealing with a dog who knows he should be quiet and neighbors who have legal rights to see that he does. Now leave, and let your fading footsteps tell the dog of your going. When you’ve walked to a point where he’ll think you’re gone but where you could hear any noises he might make, stop and listen. If you find a comfortable waiting place on a nearby porch, be careful not to talk or laugh. Tests show a dog’s hearing to be many times as sharp as yours. When the noise comes, instead of trying to sneak up to the door so you can barge in while he’s still barking, which is generally impossible, respond to his first sound with an emphatic bellow of "out," and keep on bellowing as you charge back to his area. Thunder through the door or gate, snatch up the belt that you’ve conveniently placed, and descend on him. He’ll have no chance to dodge if you grab the line and reel him in until his front feet are raised off the floor or, if he’s a big dog, until you’ve snubbed him up with a … read more »
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> Thank you for your reply…it clears up a lot for me. Guess I have one more > to add to my kill file list :)
Ask professor lyingdoc dermer HOWE he can endorse koehler: Koehler on correcting the housebreaking backslider. "If the punishment is not severe enough, some of these "backsliders" will think they’re winning and will continue to mess in the house. An indelible impression can sometimes be made by giving the dog a hard spanking of long duration, then leaving him tied by the mess he’s made so you can come back at twenty minute intervals and punish him again for the same thing. (Dogs are REALLY stupid. J.H.) In most cases, the dog that deliberately does this disagreeable thing cannot be made reliable by the light spanking that some owners seem to think is adequate punishment. It will be better for your dog, as well as the house, if you really pour it on him." "Read for koehler for content" Mark Shaw, IDIOT, Sadist, rpdb regular. "I LOVE KOHELER" lyinglynn, IDIOT, pathological liar, noted dog abuser.
"Nope. That "beating dogs with sticks" things is something you twisted out of context, because you are full of bizarro manure." Tell us HOWE the dog understands you coming back every twenty minutes to BEAT THE CRAP OUTTA HIM AGAIN for the same mistake you’ve tied him up next to, to PUNIISH HIM AGAIN for the same mistake??? HOWE do you know the dog don’t think you’re coming back to beat him every twenty minutes for the same mistake, just because you’re mad at him, instead of ONLY TRAINING him??? See what I mean? You can’t justify that. Tell us HOWE the dog knows he shouldn’t be barking? That is, until the beatings take effect, after ENOUGH lessons? Tell us HOWE COME you think dogs might want to take a big chunk out of someone who’s WHIPPING THEM? And when koehler OCCASIONALLY find a dog who objects to his training, why does he HANG the dog, instead of calm them down and teach them there’s nothing to be afraid of??? That’s the only question you CAN answer. The answer is OBVIOUS. koehler trainers are dog abusing COWARDS. Koehler on correcting the Barking Dog Thunder through the door or gate, snatch up the belt that you’ve conveniently placed, and descend on him. He’ll have no chance to dodge if you grab the line and reel him in until his front feet are raised off the floor or, if he’s a big dog, until you’ve snubbed him up with a hitch on something (ceiling hook, rafters, tree limb, door, or even over your shoulder, if you know HOWE. j.h.) While he’s held in close, lay the strap vigorously against his thighs. Keep pouring it on him until he thinks it’s the bitter end. A real whaling now may cut down somewhat on the number of repeat performances that will be necessary. When you’re finished and the dog is convinced that he is, put him on a long down to think things over while you catch your breath. After fifteen or twenty minutes, release him from the stay and leave the area again." lyinglynn writes: > For barking in the crate – leave the leash on and > pass it through the crate door. Attach a line to it. > When he barks, use the line for a correction.
A CORRECTION? You’re going to JERK and CHOKE this new foster dog out of being AFRAID… that’s CORRECTION? lyinlynn says: "I LOVE KOEHLER," and in the next breath denies being a ‘koehler trainer.’ Is that because she ALSO shocks dogs, and koehler never had a shock collar? Pity that he was born too late to benefit from such a wondrous teaching tool, ISN’T it??? (MORE good KOEHLER training below, AFTER lyingfrosty dahl) Amy lyingfrosty dahl LIES with a straight face and says: "I don’t beat dogs, twist ears, or pinch toes. For the benefit of anyone who is in doubt, and who chooses not to read the article (SHE’D REALLY LIKE IT IF YOU DON’T READ IT!), there is NO mention in it of "twisting ears (INDEED, SHE PINCHES THEM WITH SPIKES). "Get a stick 30- or 40-inches long. You can have a helper wield the stick, or do it yourself. Tougher, less tractable dogs may require you to progress to striking them more sharply. REPEAT, VARYING HOW HARD YOU HIT THE DOG. I would never slap a dog (SHE TEACHES PEOPLE TO BEAT DOGS WITH STICKS TO MOTIVATE THEM). I would never advise anyone to slap a dog (SHE’S A PROVEN LIAR AND DOG ABUSER, do you expect her to ADMIT THE TRUTH???). I do not believe there is a single circumstance, ever, where slapping a dog is anything but destructive." RIGHT. She PINCHES, not twists… and chin cuff doesn’t mean hit, according to lyinglynn and avrama…. amy lyingfrosty dahl continues: Make the dog’s need to stop the pinching so urgent that resisting your will fades in importance. but will squeal, thrash around, and direct their efforts to escaping the ear pinch even get a studded collar and pinch the ear against that if the dog still does not open its mouth, get out the shotshell. Try pinching the ear between the metal casing and the collar, even the buckle on the collar. Persist! Eventually, the dog will give in" With your hand on the collar and ear, say, ‘fetch.’ Immediately tap the dog on the hindquarters with the stick. Repeat "fetch" and pinch the ear all the way to the dummy. REPEAT, VARYING HOW HARD YOU HIT THE DOG. You can press the dog’s ear with a shotshell instead of your thumb; Say "fetch" while pressing the dummy against its lips and pinching its ear. Gotta LOVE koehler. dahl makes koheler look like St. Francis. Our professor of behavior Wisc. U., lyingdoc dermer endorses koehler. (He said: "I punish dog’s behavior, NOT the dog." You gonna believe THAT CRAP, PEOPLE???) "There’s much wisdom in koehler," deana pace. (Her dogs run away from home.) "Read koehler," lyingdogDUMMY. (koehler is all he understands.) "Read koehler, cindymorons k-9 web faq’s page," ludwig smith. "Don’t let him do that, read cindymooreon’s web page," boob maida. "I’m not a koehler trainer," cindymoron, lyinglynn, lyingfrosty dahl. But they spout koehler’s methods. They don’t consider themselves koehler trainers because they shock, twist and pinch ears and toes, and BEAT DOGS WITH STICKS to MOTIVATE them. And now for a little MOORE good koehler training: BARKING, WHINING, HOWLING, YODELING, SCREAMING, AND WAILING We’ll begin with the easiest kind of vocalist to correct: the one that charges gates, fences, doors, and windows, barking furiously at familiar or imaginary people and objects. A few clusters of BBs from a good slingshot, in conjunction with the light line and plenty of temptations, will cause such a dog to use his mind rather than his mouth. But you won’t make the permanent impression unless you supply dozens of opportunities for him to exercise the control he thus acquires. Make sure these opportunities don’t always come at the same time of the day, else he may learn to observe the "quiet hour" and pursue his old routines at other times. With the help of the light line, it will be easy to follow the BBs with a long down to make sure he gets the most from his lesson. As was mentioned before, eliminating the senseless barking will not lessen the dog’s value as a watchdog but rather, as he grows more discriminating, increase it. The dog who vocalizes in bratty protest or lonesomeness because you’re gone constitutes a different problem. If it is impractical for someone to stay with him constantly (there are owners who cater to neurosis by employing dog sitters), you’ll have to heed the neighbors and the law and quiet the dog. This calls for a little ingenuity as well as a heavy hand. Attach a line to your dog’s collar, so your corrective effort doesn’t turn into a footrace around the house until you reach a stalemate under the bed. This use of the line in the correction will also serve to establish it as a reminder to be quiet as the dog drags it around when you’re not present. Next, equip yourself with a man’s leather belt or a strap heavy enough to give your particular dog a good tanning. Yup-we’re going to strike him. Real hard. Remember, you’re dealing with a dog who knows he should be quiet and neighbors who have legal rights to see that he does. Now leave, and let your fading footsteps tell the dog of your going. When you’ve walked to a point where he’ll think you’re gone but where you could hear any noises he might make, stop and listen. If you find a comfortable waiting place on a nearby porch, be careful not to talk or laugh. Tests show a dog’s hearing to be many times as sharp as yours. When the noise comes, instead of trying to sneak up to the door so you can barge in while he’s still barking, which is generally impossible, respond to his first sound with an emphatic bellow of "out," and keep on bellowing as you charge back to his area. Thunder through the door or gate, snatch up the belt that you’ve conveniently placed, and descend on him. He’ll have no chance to dodge if you grab the line and reel him in until his front feet are raised off the floor or, if he’s a big dog, until you’ve snubbed him up with a hitch on something. While he’s held in close, lay the strap vigorously against his thighs. Keep pouring it on him until he thinks it’s the bitter end. A real whaling now may cut down somewhat on the number of repeat performances that will be necessary. When you’re finished and the dog is convinced that he is, put him on a long down to think things over while you catch your breath. After fifteen or twenty minutes, release him from the stay and leave the area again. So that you won’t feel remorseful, reflect on the truth that a great percentage of the barkers who are given away to "good homes" end up in the kindly black box with the sweet smell. Personally, I’ve always felt that it’s even better to spank children, even if they "cry out," than to "put them to sleep." You might have a long wait on that comfortable porch before your dog starts broadcasting … read more »
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Thank you for your reply…it clears up a lot for me. Guess I have one more to add to my kill file list :)
– Hide quoted text — Show quoted text ->Just trying to figure this out…..since I see an *awful* lot of posts from >him, and also a lot of responses that don’t seem very favorable. Is this >person a troll…..or a troublemaker? I’m not being sarcastic by any >means, just trying to figure out if this person has any good advice, or if >he should join Elaine in my "kill file" Thanks > Dear Denise, > The question "Who is _____?" is always difficult to answer. Much of who we > are depends on our behavior and if you do a search for Jerry’s posts at > www.dejanews.com you will further discover Jerry’s behavior here. Besides his > numerous, insulting, minimally informative posts on rpdb he promotes: an > electronic device that supposedly will solve all kinds of canine problems as > well as a poorly written dog training manual. The thoughts of several of us > about Jerry’s promotions are available here: > http://home.earthlink.net/~tdwillis/Harlan/concerns.html > Basically, I just ignore Jerry’s posts and when I post anything about him I > put "Ninnyboy" in the subject line so that mine and other persons’ news > readers will remove posts about Jerry. > BTW, my killfile looks like this: > /"Jerry Howe"/h:j > /Ninnyboy/h:j <—Posts about Jerry > /Ed Williams/h:j > /BIGDOGBITE/h:j > /Evil Lad/h:j > A properly configured killfile can much help reading rpdb. > Sincerely, > –Marshall > I have read rpdb for about four years. Consequently, I urge newbies to > attend to the civil and rational posts of the rpdb regulars from whom I have > learned much. They include: Amy Dahl, Diane Blackman, jdoee, Janet Boss, > Susan Fraser, Avrama Gingold, Nancy Holmes, Lynn Kosmakos, Bob Maida, Ruth > Mays, Cindy Tittle Moore, Denna Pace, John Richardson, Sarah Sionnach, > Ludwig Smith, Jane Webb, and Terri Willis. > Marshall Lev Dermer/ Department of Psychology/ University of > http://www.uwm.edu/~dermer > "Knowing how things work is the basis for appreciation, > and is thus a source of civilized delight."–William Safire
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Hello boss,
>What does it mean to killfile someone, and how do I do it? > Dianne has a post about how to killfile with various newsreaders (a deja search > should show the article, but maybe someone can repost it).
But of course. She defends koehler’s methods, and enjoys HURTING her dogs to train them. > Killfiling is a way to block offensive posts from your view.
I think the MOST offensive posts were in your thread "interested in hearing," where you disregard TWO shock containment systems that made the dog aggressive, and told the people to jerk and choke the dog on a pronged choke collar and to crate him any time they can’t sufficiently jerk and choke him… The consensus of opinion was "KILL THE DOG TO BE FAIR." REMEMBER??? THAT’S THE SECOND DOG YOU KILLED THIS YEAR. > Many of us killefile one or two individuals, as we find all of their posts more irritating > and useless than we want to take the time to read.
No, a few of you TELL EVERYONE ELSE to killfile me, because I PROVE you are abusive, immoral, incompetent, dog abusing, control freaks. All you know is to jerk and choke dogs on a pronged choke collar to MAKE THEM FRIENDLY. >I’m from Norway, and some of the words here are unknown to me, you see. > Best Friends Dog Obedience > "Nice Manners for the Family Pet" > "Second-hand dogs AREN’T second-rate" > see Lucy at: http://www.flyball.com/nsl/
Get the hell out of this business before you kill any more dogs and harm the families who love them.
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Hi denise, > Thank you for your reply…it clears up a lot for me. Guess I have one more > to add to my kill file list :)
You can tell how many of us killfile wacko-howe by remembering that he spews forth a ton of garbage posts each day and yet you will see very few response to him. The rest of us don’t even have to see him…(I’d call him the invisible man, but he is obviously not a man!)… he can jump and whine and stomp his feet and spew garbage into thin air…ya gotta know that frustrates the heck outa a nuisance barker like him. regards, toby
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> What does it mean to killfile someone, and how do I do it? > I’m from Norway, and some of the words here are unknown to me, you see. > And what does "spayed" mean? > Kari Anne.
Hello Kari, See if any of the words below are unknown to you. Koehler on correcting the housebreaking backslider. "If the punishment is not severe enough, some of these "backsliders" will think they’re winning and will continue to mess in the house. An indelible impression can sometimes be made by giving the dog a hard spanking of long duration, then leaving him tied by the mess he’s made so you can come back at twenty minute intervals and punish him again for the same thing. (Dogs are REALLY stupid. J.H.) In most cases, the dog that deliberately does this disagreeable thing cannot be made reliable by the light spanking that some owners seem to think is adequate punishment. It will be better for your dog, as well as the house, if you really pour it on him." "Read for koehler for content" Mark Shaw, IDIOT, Sadist, rpdb regular. "I LOVE KOHELER" lyinglynn, IDIOT, pathological liar, noted dog abuser. Tell us HOWE the dog understands you coming back every twenty minutes to BEAT THE CRAP OUTTA HIM AGAIN for the same mistake you’ve tied him up next to, to PUNIISH HIM AGAIN for the same mistake??? HOWE do you know the dog don’t think you’re coming back to beat him every twenty minutes for the same mistake, just because you’re mad at him, instead of ONLY TRAINING him??? See what I mean? You can’t justify that. Tell us HOWE the dog knows he shouldn’t be barking? That is, until the beatings take effect, after ENOUGH lessons? Tell us HOWE COME you think dogs might want to take a big chunk out of someone who’s WHIPPING THEM? And when koehler OCCASIONALLY find a dog who objects to his training, why does he HANG the dog, instead of calm them down and teach them there’s nothing to be afraid of??? That’s the only question you CAN answer. The answer is OBVIOUS. koehler trainers are dog abusing COWARDS.
"Nope. That "beating dogs with sticks" things is something you twisted out of context, because you are full of bizarro manure." Koehler on correcting the Barking Dog Thunder through the door or gate, snatch up the belt that you’ve conveniently placed, and descend on him. He’ll have no chance to dodge if you grab the line and reel him in until his front feet are raised off the floor or, if he’s a big dog, until you’ve snubbed him up with a hitch on something (ceiling hook, rafters, tree limb, door, or even over your shoulder, if you know HOWE. j.h.) While he’s held in close, lay the strap vigorously against his thighs. Keep pouring it on him until he thinks it’s the bitter end. A real whaling now may cut down somewhat on the number of repeat performances that will be necessary. When you’re finished and the dog is convinced that he is, put him on a long down to think things over while you catch your breath. After fifteen or twenty minutes, release him from the stay and leave the area again." lyinglynn writes: > For barking in the crate – leave the leash on and > pass it through the crate door. Attach a line to it. > When he barks, use the line for a correction.
A CORRECTION? You’re going to JERK and CHOKE this new foster dog out of being AFRAID… that’s CORRECTION? lyinlynn says: "I LOVE KOEHLER," and in the next breath denies being a ‘koehler trainer.’ Is that because she ALSO shocks dogs, and koehler never had a shock collar? Pity that he was born too late to benefit from such a wondrous teaching tool, ISN’T it??? (MORE good KOEHLER training below, AFTER lyingfrosty dahl) Amy lyingfrosty dahl LIES with a straight face and says: "I don’t beat dogs, twist ears, or pinch toes. For the benefit of anyone who is in doubt, and who chooses not to read the article (SHE’D REALLY LIKE IT IF YOU DON’T READ IT!), there is NO mention in it of "twisting ears (INDEED, SHE PINCHES THEM WITH SPIKES). "Get a stick 30- or 40-inches long. You can have a helper wield the stick, or do it yourself. Tougher, less tractable dogs may require you to progress to striking them more sharply. REPEAT, VARYING HOW HARD YOU HIT THE DOG. I would never slap a dog (SHE TEACHES PEOPLE TO BEAT DOGS WITH STICKS TO MOTIVATE THEM). I would never advise anyone to slap a dog (SHE’S A PROVEN LIAR AND DOG ABUSER, do you expect her to ADMIT THE TRUTH???). I do not believe there is a single circumstance, ever, where slapping a dog is anything but destructive." RIGHT. She PINCHES, not twists… and chin cuff doesn’t mean hit, according to lyinglynn and avrama…. amy lyingfrosty dahl continues: Make the dog’s need to stop the pinching so urgent that resisting your will fades in importance. but will squeal, thrash around, and direct their efforts to escaping the ear pinch even get a studded collar and pinch the ear against that if the dog still does not open its mouth, get out the shotshell. Try pinching the ear between the metal casing and the collar, even the buckle on the collar. Persist! Eventually, the dog will give in" With your hand on the collar and ear, say, ‘fetch.’ Immediately tap the dog on the hindquarters with the stick. Repeat "fetch" and pinch the ear all the way to the dummy. REPEAT, VARYING HOW HARD YOU HIT THE DOG. You can press the dog’s ear with a shotshell instead of your thumb; Say "fetch" while pressing the dummy against its lips and pinching its ear. Gotta LOVE koehler. dahl makes koheler look like St. Francis. Our professor of behavior Wisc. U., lyingdoc dermer endorses koehler. (He said: "I punish dog’s behavior, NOT the dog." You gonna believe THAT CRAP, PEOPLE???) "There’s much wisdom in koehler," deana pace. (Her dogs run away from home.) "Read koehler," lyingdogDUMMY. (koehler is all he understands.) "Read koehler, cindymorons k-9 web faq’s page," ludwig smith. "Don’t let him do that, read cindymooreon’s web page," boob maida. "I’m not a koehler trainer," cindymoron, lyinglynn, lyingfrosty dahl. But they spout koehler’s methods. They don’t consider themselves koehler trainers because they shock, twist and pinch ears and toes, and BEAT DOGS WITH STICKS to MOTIVATE them. And now for a little MOORE good koehler training: BARKING, WHINING, HOWLING, YODELING, SCREAMING, AND WAILING We’ll begin with the easiest kind of vocalist to correct: the one that charges gates, fences, doors, and windows, barking furiously at familiar or imaginary people and objects. A few clusters of BBs from a good slingshot, in conjunction with the light line and plenty of temptations, will cause such a dog to use his mind rather than his mouth. But you won’t make the permanent impression unless you supply dozens of opportunities for him to exercise the control he thus acquires. Make sure these opportunities don’t always come at the same time of the day, else he may learn to observe the "quiet hour" and pursue his old routines at other times. With the help of the light line, it will be easy to follow the BBs with a long down to make sure he gets the most from his lesson. As was mentioned before, eliminating the senseless barking will not lessen the dog’s value as a watchdog but rather, as he grows more discriminating, increase it. The dog who vocalizes in bratty protest or lonesomeness because you’re gone constitutes a different problem. If it is impractical for someone to stay with him constantly (there are owners who cater to neurosis by employing dog sitters), you’ll have to heed the neighbors and the law and quiet the dog. This calls for a little ingenuity as well as a heavy hand. Attach a line to your dog’s collar, so your corrective effort doesn’t turn into a footrace around the house until you reach a stalemate under the bed. This use of the line in the correction will also serve to establish it as a reminder to be quiet as the dog drags it around when you’re not present. Next, equip yourself with a man’s leather belt or a strap heavy enough to give your particular dog a good tanning. Yup-we’re going to strike him. Real hard. Remember, you’re dealing with a dog who knows he should be quiet and neighbors who have legal rights to see that he does. Now leave, and let your fading footsteps tell the dog of your going. When you’ve walked to a point where he’ll think you’re gone but where you could hear any noises he might make, stop and listen. If you find a comfortable waiting place on a nearby porch, be careful not to talk or laugh. Tests show a dog’s hearing to be many times as sharp as yours. When the noise comes, instead of trying to sneak up to the door so you can barge in while he’s still barking, which is generally impossible, respond to his first sound with an emphatic bellow of "out," and keep on bellowing as you charge back to his area. Thunder through the door or gate, snatch up the belt that you’ve conveniently placed, and descend on him. He’ll have no chance to dodge if you grab the line and reel him in until his front feet are raised off the floor or, if he’s a big dog, until you’ve snubbed him up with a hitch on something. While he’s held in close, lay the strap vigorously against his thighs. Keep pouring it on him until he thinks it’s the bitter end. A real whaling now may cut down somewhat on the number of repeat performances that will be necessary. When you’re finished and the dog is convinced that he is, put him on a long down to think things over while you catch your breath. After fifteen or twenty minutes, release him from the stay and leave the area again. So that you won’t feel remorseful, reflect on the truth that a great percentage of the barkers who are given away to "good homes" end up in the kindly black box with the sweet smell. Personally, I’ve always felt that it’s even better to spank children, even if they "cry out," than to "put them to sleep." You might have a long wait on that … read more »
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Wrong. Away YOU go. I’m not going ANYWHERE. Complain to my ISP? Jerry.
– Hide quoted text — Show quoted text -> Hi Kari, > What does it mean to killfile someone, and how do I do it? > killfile means to use a tool in your news/mail program to no longer even see > messages from a certain person. If you use Outlook or Outlook express, > choose Tools, then Message Rules, then Blocked Senders List. To killfile > presto chango…away he goes. > I’m from Norway, and some of the words here are unknown to me, you see. > > No problem – if you used Norweigan with me, I would be even more lost. > <grin> > And what does "spayed" mean? > "spayed" is to surgically alter a female dog so that she can no longer > become pregnant. > regards, > toby
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– Hide quoted text — Show quoted text -> Hi, and thank you for solving my little "Spaying"-mystery. > I did what you said to block psycho-jerry, but his postings still appear > in > the NG. > Hi Kari Anne, > You can use OE in another way to easily block him. Highlight one of his > posts, then pull down "Message" from toolbar above. Then click on "Block > Sender". > This is what I do to block certain ppl, but I go the other route that > Alpha uses and told you about to block certain phrases, like ‘ninnyboy’. We > use this for communicating with howdy doody so that others don’t have to > read anything from him, and if we are copying his posts to reply. Most ppl > are very good at including ‘ninnyboy’ in the topic so that we all don’t have > to read him. I block that one thru "Message Rules", and follow directions > from there for "News". You can also block him from "Mail" too. You can use > the "Message Rules" to block certain names in topics, like "Jerry Howe" AKA > howdy doody, or "DDR" or his silly little manual’s name, I can’t even > remember, I’ve had it blocked for so long now. )) > You can also block anything else you’d like from topic and in message. > If you need anymore help, I use the same newsreader, OE, (Outlook > Express) so I’ll be very happy to help in any way. > Oh, and WELCOME !!!!! to the group, nice to have some more ppl from > outside the US. > Do be warned, tho, that certain Canadians, (not mentioning any names but > his initials are R.O.C.K.Y), are very weird, and all he wants to chat about > are female unmentionables, that most of us gals like to mention, just to see > him blush. <neener, Matt> <G> > MaryBeth
Well, lets talk about your dogs eating poo before it hits the ground? Is that what you have them do to cut down on cleanup and feed bills? You’d think you were smart enough to teach them not to do that? Ask lyingdogDUMMY HOWE to stop your dogs from eating poo. He said you’ll have to HURT the dog more than you’d LIKE to, to break them of the habit. I teach dogs not to do that in a couple minutes using only sound distraction and praise. Tell us about keeping our OPTIONS open for methods to train our dogs? What would YOU do to stop your dogs from eating poo before it hits the ground??? Talk to us about the benefits of chin cuffing, scruff shaking, and twisting and pinching dog’s ears and toes??? Koehler on correcting the housebreaking backslider. "If the punishment is not severe enough, some of these "backsliders" will think they’re winning and will continue to mess in the house. An indelible impression can sometimes be made by giving the dog a hard spanking of long duration, then leaving him tied by the mess he’s made so you can come back at twenty minute intervals and punish him again for the same thing. (Dogs are REALLY stupid. J.H.) In most cases, the dog that deliberately does this disagreeable thing cannot be made reliable by the light spanking that some owners seem to think is adequate punishment. It will be better for your dog, as well as the house, if you really pour it on him." "Read for koehler for content" Mark Shaw, IDIOT, Sadist, rpdb regular. "I LOVE KOHELER" lyinglynn, IDIOT, pathological liar, noted dog abuser. Tell us HOWE the dog understands you coming back every twenty minutes to BEAT THE CRAP OUTTA HIM AGAIN for the same mistake you’ve tied him up next to, to PUNIISH HIM AGAIN for the same mistake??? HOWE do you know the dog don’t think you’re coming back to beat him every twenty minutes for the same mistake, just because you’re mad at him, instead of ONLY TRAINING him??? See what I mean? You can’t justify that. Tell us HOWE the dog knows he shouldn’t be barking? That is, until the beatings take effect, after ENOUGH lessons? Tell us HOWE COME you think dogs might want to take a big chunk out of someone who’s WHIPPING THEM? And when koehler OCCASIONALLY find a dog who objects to his training, why does he HANG the dog, instead of calm them down and teach them there’s nothing to be afraid of??? That’s the only question you CAN answer. The answer is OBVIOUS. koehler trainers are dog abusing COWARDS.
"Nope. That "beating dogs with sticks" things is something you twisted out of context, because you are full of bizarro manure." Koehler on correcting the Barking Dog Thunder through the door or gate, snatch up the belt that you’ve conveniently placed, and descend on him. He’ll have no chance to dodge if you grab the line and reel him in until his front feet are raised off the floor or, if he’s a big dog, until you’ve snubbed him up with a hitch on something (ceiling hook, rafters, tree limb, door, or even over your shoulder, if you know HOWE. j.h.) While he’s held in close, lay the strap vigorously against his thighs. Keep pouring it on him until he thinks it’s the bitter end. A real whaling now may cut down somewhat on the number of repeat performances that will be necessary. When you’re finished and the dog is convinced that he is, put him on a long down to think things over while you catch your breath. After fifteen or twenty minutes, release him from the stay and leave the area again." lyinglynn writes: > For barking in the crate – leave the leash on and > pass it through the crate door. Attach a line to it. > When he barks, use the line for a correction.
A CORRECTION? You’re going to JERK and CHOKE this new foster dog out of being AFRAID… that’s CORRECTION? lyinlynn says: "I LOVE KOEHLER," and in the next breath denies being a ‘koehler trainer.’ Is that because she ALSO shocks dogs, and koehler never had a shock collar? Pity that he was born too late to benefit from such a wondrous teaching tool, ISN’T it??? (MORE good KOEHLER training below, AFTER lyingfrosty dahl) Amy lyingfrosty dahl LIES with a straight face and says: "I don’t beat dogs, twist ears, or pinch toes. For the benefit of anyone who is in doubt, and who chooses not to read the article (SHE’D REALLY LIKE IT IF YOU DON’T READ IT!), there is NO mention in it of "twisting ears (INDEED, SHE PINCHES THEM WITH SPIKES). "Get a stick 30- or 40-inches long. You can have a helper wield the stick, or do it yourself. Tougher, less tractable dogs may require you to progress to striking them more sharply. REPEAT, VARYING HOW HARD YOU HIT THE DOG. I would never slap a dog (SHE TEACHES PEOPLE TO BEAT DOGS WITH STICKS TO MOTIVATE THEM). I would never advise anyone to slap a dog (SHE’S A PROVEN LIAR AND DOG ABUSER, do you expect her to ADMIT THE TRUTH???). I do not believe there is a single circumstance, ever, where slapping a dog is anything but destructive." RIGHT. She PINCHES, not twists… and chin cuff doesn’t mean hit, according to lyinglynn and avrama…. amy lyingfrosty dahl continues: Make the dog’s need to stop the pinching so urgent that resisting your will fades in importance. but will squeal, thrash around, and direct their efforts to escaping the ear pinch even get a studded collar and pinch the ear against that if the dog still does not open its mouth, get out the shotshell. Try pinching the ear between the metal casing and the collar, even the buckle on the collar. Persist! Eventually, the dog will give in" With your hand on the collar and ear, say, ‘fetch.’ Immediately tap the dog on the hindquarters with the stick. Repeat "fetch" and pinch the ear all the way to the dummy. REPEAT, VARYING HOW HARD YOU HIT THE DOG. You can press the dog’s ear with a shotshell instead of your thumb; Say "fetch" while pressing the dummy against its lips and pinching its ear. Gotta LOVE koehler. dahl makes koheler look like St. Francis. Our professor of behavior Wisc. U., lyingdoc dermer endorses koehler. (He said: "I punish dog’s behavior, NOT the dog." You gonna believe THAT CRAP, PEOPLE???) "There’s much wisdom in koehler," deana pace. (Her dogs run away from home.) "Read koehler," lyingdogDUMMY. (koehler is all he understands.) "Read koehler, cindymorons k-9 web faq’s page," ludwig smith. "Don’t let him do that, read cindymooreon’s web page," boob maida. "I’m not a koehler trainer," cindymoron, lyinglynn, lyingfrosty dahl. But they spout koehler’s methods. They don’t consider themselves koehler trainers because they shock, twist and pinch ears and toes, and BEAT DOGS WITH STICKS to MOTIVATE them. And now for a little MOORE good koehler training: BARKING, WHINING, HOWLING, YODELING, SCREAMING, AND WAILING We’ll begin with the easiest kind of vocalist to correct: the one that charges gates, fences, doors, and windows, barking furiously at familiar or imaginary people and objects. A few clusters of BBs from a good slingshot, in conjunction with the light line and plenty of temptations, will cause such a dog to use his mind rather than his mouth. But you won’t make the permanent impression unless you supply dozens of opportunities for him to exercise the control he thus acquires. Make sure these opportunities don’t always come at the same time of the day, else he may learn to observe the "quiet hour" and pursue his old routines at other times. With the help of the light line, it will be easy to follow the BBs with a long down to make sure he gets the most from his lesson. As was mentioned before, eliminating the senseless barking will not lessen the dog’s value as a watchdog but rather, as he grows more discriminating, increase it. The dog who vocalizes in bratty protest or lonesomeness because you’re gone constitutes a different problem. If it is impractical for someone to stay with him constantly (there are owners who cater to neurosis by employing dog sitters), you’ll have to heed the neighbors and the law and quiet the dog. This calls for a little ingenuity as well as a heavy hand. Attach a line to your dog’s collar, … read more »
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>Just trying to figure this out…..since I see an *awful* lot of posts from >him, and also a lot of responses that don’t seem very favorable. Is this >person a troll…..or a troublemaker? I’m not being sarcastic by any >means, just trying to figure out if this person has any good advice, or if >he should join Elaine in my "kill file" Thanks
Dear Denise, The question "Who is _____?" is always difficult to answer. Much of who we are depends on our behavior and if you do a search for Jerry’s posts at www.dejanews.com you will further discover Jerry’s behavior here. Besides his numerous, insulting, minimally informative posts on rpdb he promotes: an electronic device that supposedly will solve all kinds of canine problems as well as a poorly written dog training manual. The thoughts of several of us about Jerry’s promotions are available here: http://home.earthlink.net/~tdwillis/Harlan/concerns.html Basically, I just ignore Jerry’s posts and when I post anything about him I put "Ninnyboy" in the subject line so that mine and other persons’ news readers will remove posts about Jerry. BTW, my killfile looks like this: /"Jerry Howe"/h:j /Ninnyboy/h:j <—Posts about Jerry /Ed Williams/h:j /BIGDOGBITE/h:j /Evil Lad/h:j A properly configured killfile can much help reading rpdb. Sincerely, –Marshall I have read rpdb for about four years. Consequently, I urge newbies to attend to the civil and rational posts of the rpdb regulars from whom I have learned much. They include: Amy Dahl, Diane Blackman, jdoee, Janet Boss, Susan Fraser, Avrama Gingold, Nancy Holmes, Lynn Kosmakos, Bob Maida, Ruth Mays, Cindy Tittle Moore, Denna Pace, John Richardson, Sarah Sionnach, Ludwig Smith, Jane Webb, and Terri Willis. Marshall Lev Dermer/ Department of Psychology/ University of http://www.uwm.edu/~dermer "Knowing how things work is the basis for appreciation, and is thus a source of civilized delight."–William Safire
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Hello alpha wolf,
> Hi denise, > Just trying to figure this out…..since I see an *awful* lot of posts > from > him, and also a lot of responses that don’t seem very favorable. Is this > person a troll…..or a troublemaker? I’m not being sarcastic by any > means, just trying to figure out if this person has any good advice, or if > he should join Elaine in my "kill file" Thanks > IMHO, this guy seems like an escapee from a nut house!
Is that why you started lying about me on your second post here, mr 25 years EXPERIENCE who can’t keep his dog from trying to escape? Or is that because you like to jerk and choke and alpha roll and growl at your dogs, and you think EVERYBODY should confront and conflict and punish their dogs, like you do? > He makes claims that he is so brilliant that renown experts can’t understand his > marvelous theories and inventions,
You are now looking into a shock collar to deal with your dog’s BEHAVIOR PROBLEMS. > yet does not possess the logic abilities of a trained rat.
Because I don’t condone HURTING DOGS to train them??? > He comes in here and accuses everyone who contradicts him of being "koehler > trainers" and abusing their dogs.
Well, that’s because most of our rpdb regulars ARE koehler trainers. > After he accused ME of being a koehler trainer,
You were taught EVERYTHING YOU KNOW by a trainer who TRAINED WITH wm koehler. You are NOT an honest person. You are a LIAR and a DOG ABUSER. > I figured I had best go and buy koehler’s book to see what all the > fuss was about.
You refuse to answer the simple questions from the quoted text below… > It arrived yesterday, so the jury is still out on whether > or not I will adopt some of koehler’s methods…
You already do, you were taught by a monster who learned from koehler himself. > maybe jerry moron will succeed in turning me into a koehler trainer? LOL
You already are. Just address the questions below… You won’t, just like the rest of our Gang Of Thugs refuses to answer… Because koehler trainers are DOG ABUSING COWARDS. > Your post asking about mr psycho-case is almost identical to one I posted > after I first joined the group 3 weeks ago.
When you saw yourself IDENTIFIED as on of the abusive cretins I warn people about. > My adivce, killfile him.
Before she finds out what KIND of dog abusing liar you are??? > You can’t escape all of his babbling because some people respond to him and > quote him, but hey,
As long as you can avoid looking at yourself as the cause of your dog behavior problems, you won’t have to face yourself as a dog abusing coward. > killfile works better than DDR at quieting that particular barking dog.
Isn’t it interesting that my critics who are dog abusing liars, ONLY CRITICIZE DDR and me, and NOT the INFORMATION that is PROVING you to be a dog abuser??? Talk dog training. Koehler on correcting the housebreaking backslider. "If the punishment is not severe enough, some of these "backsliders" will think they’re winning and will continue to mess in the house. An indelible impression can sometimes be made by giving the dog a hard spanking of long duration, then leaving him tied by the mess he’s made so you can come back at twenty minute intervals and punish him again for the same thing. (Dogs are REALLY stupid. J.H.) In most cases, the dog that deliberately does this disagreeable thing cannot be made reliable by the light spanking that some owners seem to think is adequate punishment. It will be better for your dog, as well as the house, if you really pour it on him." "Read for koehler for content" Mark Shaw, IDIOT, Sadist, rpdb regular. "I LOVE KOHELER" lyinglynn, IDIOT, pathological liar, noted dog abuser. Tell us HOWE the dog understands you coming back every twenty minutes to BEAT THE CRAP OUTTA HIM AGAIN for the same mistake you’ve tied him up next to, to PUNIISH HIM AGAIN for the same mistake??? HOWE do you know the dog don’t think you’re coming back to beat him every twenty minutes for the same mistake, just because you’re mad at him, instead of ONLY TRAINING him??? See what I mean? You can’t justify that. Tell us HOWE the dog knows he shouldn’t be barking? That is, until the beatings take effect, after ENOUGH lessons? Tell us HOWE COME you think dogs might want to take a big chunk out of someone who’s WHIPPING THEM? And when koehler OCCASIONALLY find a dog who objects to his training, why does he HANG the dog, instead of calm them down and teach them there’s nothing to be afraid of??? That’s the only question you CAN answer. The answer is OBVIOUS. koehler trainers are dog abusing COWARDS.
"Nope. That "beating dogs with sticks" things is something you twisted out of context, because you are full of bizarro manure." Koehler on correcting the Barking Dog Thunder through the door or gate, snatch up the belt that you’ve conveniently placed, and descend on him. He’ll have no chance to dodge if you grab the line and reel him in until his front feet are raised off the floor or, if he’s a big dog, until you’ve snubbed him up with a hitch on something (ceiling hook, rafters, tree limb, door, or even over your shoulder, if you know HOWE. j.h.) While he’s held in close, lay the strap vigorously against his thighs. Keep pouring it on him until he thinks it’s the bitter end. A real whaling now may cut down somewhat on the number of repeat performances that will be necessary. When you’re finished and the dog is convinced that he is, put him on a long down to think things over while you catch your breath. After fifteen or twenty minutes, release him from the stay and leave the area again." lyinglynn writes: > For barking in the crate – leave the leash on and > pass it through the crate door. Attach a line to it. > When he barks, use the line for a correction.
A CORRECTION? You’re going to JERK and CHOKE this new foster dog out of being AFRAID… that’s CORRECTION? lyinlynn says: "I LOVE KOEHLER," and in the next breath denies being a ‘koehler trainer.’ Is that because she ALSO shocks dogs, and koehler never had a shock collar? Pity that he was born too late to benefit from such a wondrous teaching tool, ISN’T it??? (MORE good KOEHLER training below, AFTER lyingfrosty dahl) Amy lyingfrosty dahl LIES with a straight face and says: "I don’t beat dogs, twist ears, or pinch toes. For the benefit of anyone who is in doubt, and who chooses not to read the article (SHE’D REALLY LIKE IT IF YOU DON’T READ IT!), there is NO mention in it of "twisting ears (INDEED, SHE PINCHES THEM WITH SPIKES). "Get a stick 30- or 40-inches long. You can have a helper wield the stick, or do it yourself. Tougher, less tractable dogs may require you to progress to striking them more sharply. REPEAT, VARYING HOW HARD YOU HIT THE DOG. I would never slap a dog (SHE TEACHES PEOPLE TO BEAT DOGS WITH STICKS TO MOTIVATE THEM). I would never advise anyone to slap a dog (SHE’S A PROVEN LIAR AND DOG ABUSER, do you expect her to ADMIT THE TRUTH???). I do not believe there is a single circumstance, ever, where slapping a dog is anything but destructive." RIGHT. She PINCHES, not twists… and chin cuff doesn’t mean hit, according to lyinglynn and avrama…. amy lyingfrosty dahl continues: Make the dog’s need to stop the pinching so urgent that resisting your will fades in importance. but will squeal, thrash around, and direct their efforts to escaping the ear pinch even get a studded collar and pinch the ear against that if the dog still does not open its mouth, get out the shotshell. Try pinching the ear between the metal casing and the collar, even the buckle on the collar. Persist! Eventually, the dog will give in" With your hand on the collar and ear, say, ‘fetch.’ Immediately tap the dog on the hindquarters with the stick. Repeat "fetch" and pinch the ear all the way to the dummy. REPEAT, VARYING HOW HARD YOU HIT THE DOG. You can press the dog’s ear with a shotshell instead of your thumb; Say "fetch" while pressing the dummy against its lips and pinching its ear. Gotta LOVE koehler. dahl makes koheler look like St. Francis. Our professor of behavior Wisc. U., lyingdoc dermer endorses koehler. (He said: "I punish dog’s behavior, NOT the dog." You gonna believe THAT CRAP, PEOPLE???) "There’s much wisdom in koehler," deana pace. (Her dogs run away from home.) "Read koehler," lyingdogDUMMY. (koehler is all he understands.) "Read koehler, cindymorons k-9 web faq’s page," ludwig smith. "Don’t let him do that, read cindymooreon’s web page," boob maida. "I’m not a koehler trainer," cindymoron, lyinglynn, lyingfrosty dahl. But they spout koehler’s methods. They don’t consider themselves koehler trainers because they shock, twist and pinch ears and toes, and BEAT DOGS WITH STICKS to MOTIVATE them. And now for a little MOORE good koehler training: BARKING, WHINING, HOWLING, YODELING, SCREAMING, AND WAILING We’ll begin with the easiest kind of vocalist to correct: the one that charges gates, fences, doors, and windows, barking furiously at familiar or imaginary people and objects. A few clusters of BBs from a good slingshot, in conjunction with the light line and plenty of temptations, will cause such a dog to use his mind rather than his mouth. But you won’t make the permanent impression unless you supply dozens of opportunities for him to exercise the control he thus acquires. Make sure these opportunities don’t always come at the same time of the day, else he may learn to observe the "quiet hour" and pursue his old routines at other times. With the help of the light line, it will be easy to follow the BBs with a long down to make sure he gets the most from his lesson. As was mentioned before, eliminating the senseless barking will not lessen the dog’s value as a watchdog but rather, as he grows more discriminating, increase it. The … read more »
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What does it mean to killfile someone, and how do I do it? I’m from Norway, and some of the words here are unknown to me, you see. And what does "spayed" mean? Kari Anne.
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Hi Kari, > What does it mean to killfile someone, and how do I do it?
killfile means to use a tool in your news/mail program to no longer even see messages from a certain person. If you use Outlook or Outlook express, choose Tools, then Message Rules, then Blocked Senders List. To killfile presto chango…away he goes. > I’m from Norway, and some of the words here are unknown to me, you see.
No problem – if you used Norweigan with me, I would be even more lost. <grin> > And what does "spayed" mean?
"spayed" is to surgically alter a female dog so that she can no longer become pregnant. regards, toby
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>What does it mean to killfile someone, and how do I do it?
Dianne has a post about how to killfile with various newsreaders (a deja search should show the article, but maybe someone can repost it). Killfiling is a way to block offensive posts from your view. Many of us killefile one or two individuals, as we find all of their posts more irritating and useless than we want to take the time to read. >I’m from Norway, and some of the words here are unknown to me, you see. >And what does "spayed" mean? >Kari Anne.
A hysterectomy for a female dog. "Desexing" in many cultures. Janet Boss Best Friends Dog Obedience "Nice Manners for the Family Pet" "Second-hand dogs AREN’T second-rate" see Lucy at: http://www.flyball.com/nsl/
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Hi, and thank you for solving my little "Spaying"-mystery. I did what you said to block psycho-jerry, but his postings still appear in the NG. Takk skal du ha for all hjelp! That was norwegian, meaning: "Thank you for all your help". ) Kari Anne – Hide quoted text — Show quoted text -> Hi Kari, > What does it mean to killfile someone, and how do I do it? > killfile means to use a tool in your news/mail program to no longer even see > messages from a certain person. If you use Outlook or Outlook express, > choose Tools, then Message Rules, then Blocked Senders List. To killfile > presto chango…away he goes. > I’m from Norway, and some of the words here are unknown to me, you see. > > No problem – if you used Norweigan with me, I would be even more lost. > <grin> > And what does "spayed" mean? > "spayed" is to surgically alter a female dog so that she can no longer > become pregnant. > regards, > toby
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Hi Kari, and no problem > Hi, and thank you for solving my little "Spaying"-mystery. > I did what you said to block psycho-jerry, but his postings still appear in > the NG.
The old ones will appear…anything new he posts should be invisible to you. > Takk skal du ha for all hjelp! > That was norwegian, meaning: "Thank you for all your help". )
Chuckle….I got part of that…about all I remember of swedish spoken in my house when I was a kid is "takk gud god for morten" (or something like that…means thank good God for food) LOL have a good one, toby
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> Hi, and thank you for solving my little "Spaying"-mystery. > I did what you said to block psycho-jerry, but his postings still appear in > the NG.
Hi Kari Anne, You can use OE in another way to easily block him. Highlight one of his posts, then pull down "Message" from toolbar above. Then click on "Block Sender". This is what I do to block certain ppl, but I go the other route that Alpha uses and told you about to block certain phrases, like ‘ninnyboy’. We use this for communicating with howdy doody so that others don’t have to read anything from him, and if we are copying his posts to reply. Most ppl are very good at including ‘ninnyboy’ in the topic so that we all don’t have to read him. I block that one thru "Message Rules", and follow directions from there for "News". You can also block him from "Mail" too. You can use the "Message Rules" to block certain names in topics, like "Jerry Howe" AKA howdy doody, or "DDR" or his silly little manual’s name, I can’t even remember, I’ve had it blocked for so long now. )) You can also block anything else you’d like from topic and in message. If you need anymore help, I use the same newsreader, OE, (Outlook Express) so I’ll be very happy to help in any way. Oh, and WELCOME !!!!! to the group, nice to have some more ppl from outside the US. Do be warned, tho, that certain Canadians, (not mentioning any names but his initials are R.O.C.K.Y), are very weird, and all he wants to chat about are female unmentionables, that most of us gals like to mention, just to see him blush. <neener, Matt> <G> MaryBeth
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Hi MaryBeth, > This is what I do to block certain ppl, but I go the other route that > Alpha uses and told you about to block certain phrases, like ‘ninnyboy’.
Thanks for the tip! I hadn’t bothered blocking anything but his email and am considering blocking elaine…. regards, toby
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Just trying to figure this out…..since I see an *awful* lot of posts from him, and also a lot of responses that don’t seem very favorable. Is this person a troll…..or a troublemaker? I’m not being sarcastic by any means, just trying to figure out if this person has any good advice, or if he should join Elaine in my "kill file" Thanks
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Hi denise, > Just trying to figure this out…..since I see an *awful* lot of posts from > him, and also a lot of responses that don’t seem very favorable. Is this > person a troll…..or a troublemaker? I’m not being sarcastic by any > means, just trying to figure out if this person has any good advice, or if > he should join Elaine in my "kill file" Thanks
IMHO, this guy seems like an escapee from a nut house! He makes claims that he is so brilliant that renown experts can’t understand his marvelous theories and inventions, yet does not possess the logic abilities of a trained rat. He comes in here and accuses everyone who contradicts him of being "koehler trainers" and abusing their dogs. After he accused ME of being a koehler trainer, I figured I had best go and buy koehler’s book to see what all the fuss was about. It arrived yesterday, so the jury is still out on whether or not I will adopt some of koehler’s methods…maybe jerry moron will succeed in turning me into a koehler trainer? LOL Your post asking about mr psycho-case is almost identical to one I posted after I first joined the group 3 weeks ago. My adivce, killfile him. You can’t escape all of his babbling because some people respond to him and quote him, but hey, killfile works better than DDR at quieting that particular barking dog. regards, Toby
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