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>Here’s a pic of TJ:

http://www.aquarius-interactive.com/jeepr/liltj.jpg >Thanks again. >Rich

Awwwwwwwwww.   I can almost smell the puppy breff. ) Carol

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Hello carol,

> I agree with Debra, and she gave you some good sites. Also you > can try "The Culture Clash" by Jean Donaldson,

donaldson doesn’t understand dog behavior any better than you do. If her information was any good, you wouldn’t be having aggression problems with your own dog, would you? Hmm? >  "Purely Positive Training" by Sheila Booth,

I don’t know her material, but if you read it and your dog is still being aggressive, then she doesn’t have the right stuff either. > and "Good Owners Great Dogs" (forgot the author, I just > ordered it myself).

That hasn’t seemed to help blackman, she’s always pushing it. HOWE much does she make for selling the book here? Why don’t you ask her? > I’m not one who uses absolutely NO negatives, because life is not > like that.

We make of life what we want of it. YOUR life isn’t like that, because you think you need to force control of your dog. That’s why he’s out of control. It is you mishandling him in the manner you’ve been taught by the ”experts,” the bums I condem. You got the result of THEIR advice. NOW why don’t you smarten up and learn what you need to know to get out of the difficulty you’ve got? > We all have to deal with some negative consequences,

No, your dog depends on you to provide proper handling and training so that adversion does not have to come into his life. Trainers who use corrections as you understand them are not smart enough to outwit a puppy dog. If a trainer tells you to put a pronged choke collar on a dog and jerk him around to break a behavior, tell everyone you know that he’s a BUM and stay the hell away from them. > but teaching is much easier using positive methods.

You only need to confront or hurt your your dog once, to teach him that you are unstable and untrustworthy. Dogs do not understand punishment. > Everyone here uses positive methods in some form or another,

That’s not the problem. The problem is, that force training a dog causes behavior problems that non force trainers NEVER have to deal with from their dogs. Proper, scientific, conditinoning techniques, MUST work, or they would not be scientific. There are many options of non force methods that will work fast and effectively. Hurting dogs to train them is NOT an option, it is WRONG. It gets dogs killed. > regardless of what you will read from Mr. Howe.

Why do you WANT to HURT your dog? There is no need for that. Canis55 could give you advice to rehabilitate your dog’s problems with a couple of days of conditioning and a proper introduction to the problem. Marilyn has methods that will break your dog’s behavior in a couple of days of conditioning. All the other competent trainers who you’ve harassed and bum’s rushed out of here, no less that eight full time, expert, professional, trainers HAD effective methods that we all could have used… But you guys who have some sort of mental problem that provokes you to want to hurt your dogs and get away with calling that training, don’t want to hear of it. Know why? Because then you can’t justify using force. > Carol

But you don’t want to stop throttling your dog to make him behave.  That’s why I’m here. Bye! j;~} "Thus we should beware of clinging to vulgar opinions, and judge things by reason’s way, not by popular say." Montaigne "Violence is the last refuge of the incompetent." Salvor Hardin "If you cannot convince them, confuse them." H.S. Truman. ;~) DRAINING THE SWAMP, AND RELOCATING THE GATORS… J>>> "CUSTOM WILL RECONCILE PEOPLE TO ANY ATROCITY." G.B. Shaw. "I know that most men, including those at ease with problems of the greatest complexity, can seldom accept even the simplest and most obvious truth if it would oblige them to admit the falsity of conclusions which they have delighted in explaining to colleagues, proudly taught to others, and which they have woven, thread by thread, into the fabric of their lives."                                              Leo Tolstoy Is it any wonder that the following sig file has generated more complaints to my personal email than any other controversial post I have made to date, bar none?:                                             caveat If you have to do things to your dog to train him, that you would rather not have to do, then you shouldn’t be doing them. If you have a dog trainer that tells you to jerk your dog around, choke him, pinch his ears, or twist his toes, shock, shake, slap, scold, hit, or punish him in any manner, that corrections are appropriate, that the dog won’t think of you as the punisher, or that corrections are not harmful, or if they can’t train your dog to do what you want, look for a trainer that knows Howe. Sincerely, Jerry Howe, Wits’ End Dog Training http://www.doggydoright.com Nature, to be mastered, must be obeyed.                       -Francis Bacon- There are terrible people who, instead of solving a problem, bungle it and make it more difficult for all who come after.  Who ever can’t hit the nail on the head should, please, not hit at all.                      -Nietzsche- The abilities to think, rationalize and solve problems are learned qualities. The Wits’ End Dog Training Method challenges the learning centers in the dogs brain. These centers, once challenged, develop and continue to grow exponentially, to make him smarter. The Wits’ End Dog Training method capitalizes on praising split seconds of canine thought, strategy, and timing, not mindless hours of forced repetition, constant corrections, and scolding.                   -Jerry Howe-

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- Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – > Hello all Proud new do owner here. > My gf and I just got a 7 week old shepherd/husky/lab her name is TJ. > She is positively adorable.  We got her to compliment our love of the > outdoors and *hope* to bring her up as a gentle and protecting > companion. > She’s almost house broken but lately we’ve been having some problems > with chewing.  She pretty much chews on everything, which I assume is > normal.  We purchased the following books to help with training:  The > Art of Bringing up a Puppy; The Monks of New Skete and Uncle Matty’s > Ultimate Guide to Dog Training. We’be been trying some of the techniques > to curb some of the puppy behavior and she seems to be responding, for > the most part.  Lately she has shown a bit of a viscious streak when > being "corrected".  Shake by the scruff and a firm "NO" is what we’ve > been doing.  The last couple of days she’s been biting (rather hard) and > this is something that I would like to nip in the bud.  I hate it when > dogs bite people.  Especially since we are hoping to have kids and would > like TJ to good with them. > Any suggestions would be greatly appreciated! > Rich

Nothing personal, Rich as we’re all friends here, but I suggest that you BITE THIS! http://dogtv.com There’s nothing better. – Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – > Before you buy.

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hey rich.  dont know if you will get this due to your last posting.  if you do, just try to remember that a puppy is not unlike a human baby.  it goes through teething just as a baby. I remember with my dogs, having the ends of spec’s chewed.  i have had the odd vinal album chewed.  one was a brand new santana album back in the 70’s.  man I was pissed about that too. but it was my fault.  i left it out and the dog got to it. I found it was was best to give the pup and old shoe to chew on.  As i said, puppies like human babys need to apply pressure to there teeth to help relieve the pain of tooth growth.  Just try to keep things that you dont want chewed up out of harms way.  and give the dog an old shoe or a toy to chew on.   Good luck.    nick * Sent from RemarQ http://www.remarq.com The Internet’s Discussion Network * The fastest and easiest way to search and participate in Usenet – Free!

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Hello bigdogbitethis, I don’t tell people to HURT dogs to train them. Your pals here do that… You’ve got things a little backwards. Nobody thinks you are anything more than a liar. Bye! Jerry.

– Hide quoted text — Show quoted text -> By all means use the Jerry Jerk-off method and really abuse your > dog. > Jerry Howe ABUSES dogs.he is worse than a SHOCK COLLAR…the > proof > "If the dog is trained properly, he does not think of his > protection > training as fun and games at the big dog park. During a > protection class, the dogs temperature should go up to 106 and > he should have loose stools within two or three minutes of > beginning the lesson." > He tortures dogs till  they have a temperature of 106 and have > the runs. > Jerry Howe and his Doggy Do Wrong are being investigated for > fraud. > http://www.sound.net/~twillis/Harlan/concerns.html > http://deja.com/getdoc.xp?AN=516286408 > * Sent from RemarQ http://www.remarq.com The Internet’s Discussion Network * > The fastest and easiest way to search and participate in Usenet – Free!

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Folks, I’m sorry to say that due to the bantering back and forth, I do not think that I will post here anymore.  I hope you understand that it becomes difficult to make sound decisions when the opinions are so divided.  It clouds the issue and eats away at your credibility. I’ll try another mb and hopefully it won’t have the mud slinging that this one seems to be covered in. Rich Before you buy.

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You’re wasting your time and money on them books. Our friend carol has aggression problems with her own dog. Bye! Jerry.

– Hide quoted text — Show quoted text -> 1st:  Thanks for the feedback and links > I got the Art of Raising a Puppy on a recommendation from a friend with > a VERY well behaved shepherd.  And Uncle Matty was on TV which my gf > liked.  Getting other perspectives is what I knew we needed.  I > sincerely want to do this right so this helps alot. > When I read the links they made very good sense.  Especially the double > commands.  I will read everything you send to me and get the books, so > keep em coming! > Here’s a pic of TJ:

http://www.aquarius-interactive.com/jeepr/liltj.jpg – Hide quoted text — Show quoted text -> Thanks again. > Rich > Before you buy.

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By all means use the Jerry Jerk-off method and really abuse your dog. Jerry Howe ABUSES dogs.he is worse than a SHOCK COLLAR…the proof

"If the dog is trained properly, he does not think of his protection training as fun and games at the big dog park. During a protection class, the dogs temperature should go up to 106 and he should have loose stools within two or three minutes of beginning the lesson." He tortures dogs till  they have a temperature of 106 and have the runs. Jerry Howe and his Doggy Do Wrong are being investigated for fraud. http://www.sound.net/~twillis/Harlan/concerns.html http://deja.com/getdoc.xp?AN=516286408 * Sent from RemarQ http://www.remarq.com The Internet’s Discussion Network * The fastest and easiest way to search and participate in Usenet – Free!

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More BULLSHIT from the dog ABUSER Jerry Howe ABUSES dogs.he is worse than a SHOCK COLLAR…the proof

"If the dog is trained properly, he does not think of his protection training as fun and games at the big dog park. During a protection class, the dogs temperature should go up to 106 and he should have loose stools within two or three minutes of beginning the lesson." He tortures dogs till  they have a temperature of 106 and have the runs. Jerry Howe and his Doggy Do Wrong are being investigated for fraud. http://www.sound.net/~twillis/Harlan/concerns.html http://deja.com/getdoc.xp?AN=516286408 * Sent from RemarQ http://www.remarq.com The Internet’s Discussion Network * The fastest and easiest way to search and participate in Usenet – Free!

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Hello Elaine, Puppies can learn just like any older dog… Their brain is capable of doing anything you want to teach them, but you gotta know HOWE… What you’re telling us is the way it is when people who do not understand proper handling and training methods raise a dog, and it’s likely to get more difficult as the dog gets to nine months to two years old… You just go from inhibiting one behavior problem and then inhibiting it’s  replacement behavior, and on to the next replacement behavior, till you’ve fought with the dog over everything that can possible have been fought about. My students puppies are qualified for their cd titles at five months or sooner. All the information you need to know is available for free in the Wits’ End Dog Training Method manual at http://www.doggydoright.com  Jerry.

– Hide quoted text — Show quoted text -> You don’t have a dog. You have a baby puppy. She’s not even really old > enough to be away from her mother. See if you can arrange for her to spend > an extra week with her mother so she will be at least 8 weeks old when she > is weaned. > Your puppy will be exactly like a puppy for the next 6 months. She will not > be housebroken. She will gnaw on fingers, toes, chins, and noses. She will > whine when she is left alone, and will chew things up. > It will be a big help to have a puppy pen, or use a baby gate to restrain > her to the kitchen.

– Hide quoted text — Show quoted text -> Hello all Proud new do owner here. > My gf and I just got a 7 week old shepherd/husky/lab her name is TJ. > She is positively adorable.  We got her to compliment our love of the > outdoors and *hope* to bring her up as a gentle and protecting > companion. > She’s almost house broken but lately we’ve been having some problems > with chewing.  She pretty much chews on everything, which I assume is > normal.  We purchased the following books to help with training: The > Art of Bringing up a Puppy; The Monks of New Skete and Uncle Matty’s > Ultimate Guide to Dog Training. We’be been trying some of the techniques > to curb some of the puppy behavior and she seems to be responding, for > the most part.  Lately she has shown a bit of a viscious streak when > being "corrected".  Shake by the scruff and a firm "NO" is what we’ve > been doing.  The last couple of days she’s been biting (rather hard) and > this is something that I would like to nip in the bud.  I hate it when > dogs bite people.  Especially since we are hoping to have kids and would > like TJ to good with them. > Any suggestions would be greatly appreciated! > Rich > Before you buy.

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You don’t have a dog. You have a baby puppy. She’s not even really old enough to be away from her mother. See if you can arrange for her to spend an extra week with her mother so she will be at least 8 weeks old when she is weaned. Your puppy will be exactly like a puppy for the next 6 months. She will not be housebroken. She will gnaw on fingers, toes, chins, and noses. She will whine when she is left alone, and will chew things up. It will be a big help to have a puppy pen, or use a baby gate to restrain her to the kitchen. – Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – > Hello all Proud new do owner here. > My gf and I just got a 7 week old shepherd/husky/lab her name is TJ. > She is positively adorable.  We got her to compliment our love of the > outdoors and *hope* to bring her up as a gentle and protecting > companion. > She’s almost house broken but lately we’ve been having some problems > with chewing.  She pretty much chews on everything, which I assume is > normal.  We purchased the following books to help with training:  The > Art of Bringing up a Puppy; The Monks of New Skete and Uncle Matty’s > Ultimate Guide to Dog Training. We’be been trying some of the techniques > to curb some of the puppy behavior and she seems to be responding, for > the most part.  Lately she has shown a bit of a viscious streak when > being "corrected".  Shake by the scruff and a firm "NO" is what we’ve > been doing.  The last couple of days she’s been biting (rather hard) and > this is something that I would like to nip in the bud.  I hate it when > dogs bite people.  Especially since we are hoping to have kids and would > like TJ to good with them. > Any suggestions would be greatly appreciated! > Rich > Before you buy.

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>> The Art of Bringing up a Puppy; The Monks of New Skete and Uncle Matty’s

Ultimate Guide to Dog Training. << How about putting those in the trash and taking a whole new approach with POSITIVE training?  While the Monks have now retracted some of their harsher methods… like alpha rolls… they are still far from being positive trainers.  YES, it is normal for pups to bite. Holding their mouth GENTLY shut and saying "no bite" helps.  YELPING in high tone then ignoring also  helps.  Shaking by the scruff can damage your dog, make her hand shy, and is not imho the way to go. Positive Training Lessons http://members.aol.com/RottnMary/lessons.html No Bite http://www.canismajor.com/dog/bite2.html No Bite for Puppies and Young Dogs http://www.doggiedoor.com/nobite.htm Never Say It Twice http://www.clickandtreat.com/dfogb7.htm Punishment: How not to do it http://www.clickandtreat.com/webart12.htm OH, and for a good look at Uncle Matty <gag> Heel:  Matthew MargolisLA Weekly http://www.laweekly.com/ink/98/28/news-lewis.shtml

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I agree with Debra, and she gave you some good sites. Also you can try "The Culture Clash" by Jean Donaldson, "Purely Positive Training" by Sheila Booth, and "Good Owners Great Dogs" (forgot the author, I just ordered it myself).  I’m not one who uses absolutely NO negatives, because life is not like that.  We all have to deal with some negative consequences, but teaching is much easier using positive methods. Everyone here uses positive methods in some form or another, regardless of what you will read from Mr. Howe. Carol DebraDwnSo wrote – Hide quoted text — Show quoted text ->How about putting those in the trash and taking a whole new approach with >POSITIVE training

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1st:  Thanks for the feedback and links I got the Art of Raising a Puppy on a recommendation from a friend with a VERY well behaved shepherd.  And Uncle Matty was on TV which my gf liked.  Getting other perspectives is what I knew we needed.  I sincerely want to do this right so this helps alot. When I read the links they made very good sense.  Especially the double commands.  I will read everything you send to me and get the books, so keep em coming! Here’s a pic of TJ:  http://www.aquarius-interactive.com/jeepr/liltj.jpg Thanks again. Rich Before you buy.

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Hello Rich,

> Hello all Proud new dog owner here.

Good for you. > My gf and I just got a 7 week old shepherd/husky/lab her name is > TJ. She is positively adorable.  We got her to compliment our love of > the outdoors and *hope* to bring her up as a gentle and protecting > companion.

Good. > She’s almost house broken but lately we’ve been having some > problems with chewing.  She pretty much chews on everything, > which I assume is normal.

Naturally. Give her some appropriate chew items, soft ones, nylabones, and some frozen washcloths or similar items for teething. Learn distraction and praise techniques to break her from chewing when you see her, and to address chewed item when you did not notice her chew them. You’ll find the instructions under the header ‘’sound distraction” or read the full text in the Wits’ End Dog Training Method manual, where you will find all the information you need to properly handle and train your dog to do anything you ask the first time… > We purchased the following books to help with training:  The > Art of Bringing up a Puppy; The Monks of New Skete

The MonkeysOfNotSoNewSkeete are a bunch of heavy handed thugs. They’ll tell to that if you don’t hear your dog scream when you slap him, you didn’t slap him hard enough… Throw it away. >and Uncle Matty’s Ultimate Guide to Dog Training.

He’s another bum. He’ll tell you to jerk and choke your dog as he double talks you about love and affection and punishment up the whazoo… Get rid of those books. They are written by a bunch of dominance and control freaks who view dog behavior problems as personal affronts to your authority. They’ll start you off confronting your dog over non existent alpha and dominance and control issues. > We’be been trying some of the techniques to curb some of the > puppy behavior and she seems to be responding, for the most part. > Lately she has shown a bit of a viscious streak when > being "corrected".

NO KIDDING? > Shake by the scruff and a firm "NO" is what we’ve been doing.

Didn’t I just tell you to throw them books away? Most of them will tell you to do things that will provoke your dog and inhibit him from learning. That’s why our Gang Of Thugs fights with their dogs for sometimes two or three years, unless they’re doing obedience or more advanced work, then they jerk, choke, shock, twist and pinch body parts. and beat dogs with sticks to motivate them.. as our illustrious amy dahl teaches, when she’s not denying it… >  The last couple of days she’s been biting (rather hard) and > this is something that I would like to nip in the bud.

cindymoron will tell you to stuff you fingers down her throat and choke her out of it… Want MORE problems than what you’ve got now? Those EXPERTS are satisfied to confront, provoke, choke, hang, and if necessary KILL dogs who do not subordinate to their fear, force, and punishment. If you got any doubt about what I say, it’s all in their own words… Just ask if you need to see for yourself. > I hate it when dogs bite people.

Me too, when it is not in line of duty. That’s what I’ve specialized in for three dozen years, behavior problems and protection. I don’t use any force or confrontation or punishment whatsoever. And I don’t tell people to kill their dogs because they can’t be trained as our experts here often do… They cannot understand that it is their training methods that fails the dog, and often kills him. > Especially since we are hoping to have kids and would like TJ to > good with them.

You’ll do O.K. if you just forget everything you’ve been taught from the geniuses who tell you to hurt your dog, and read the WEDTM manual available for free at http://www.doggydoright.com . Ask if you need help with the text or techniques. > Any suggestions would be greatly appreciated!

Yeah. Read my sig file: > Rich

"Thus we should beware of clinging to vulgar opinions, and judge things by reason’s way, not by popular say." Montaigne "Violence is the last refuge of the incompetent." Salvor Hardin "If you cannot convince them, confuse them." H.S. Truman. ;~) DRAINING THE SWAMP, AND RELOCATING THE GATORS… J>>> "CUSTOM WILL RECONCILE PEOPLE TO ANY ATROCITY." G.B. Shaw. "I know that most men, including those at ease with problems of the greatest complexity, can seldom accept even the simplest and most obvious truth if it would oblige them to admit the falsity of conclusions which they have delighted in explaining to colleagues, proudly taught to others, and which they have woven, thread by thread, into the fabric of their lives."                                              Leo Tolstoy Is it any wonder that the following sig file has generated more complaints to my personal email than any other controversial post I have made to date, bar none?:                                             caveat If you have to do things to your dog to train him, that you would rather not have to do, then you shouldn’t be doing them. If you have a dog trainer that tells you to jerk your dog around, choke him, pinch his ears, or twist his toes, shock, shake, slap, scold, hit, or punish him in any manner, that corrections are appropriate, that the dog won’t think of you as the punisher, or that corrections are not harmful, or if they can’t train your dog to do what you want, look for a trainer that knows Howe. Sincerely, Jerry Howe, Wits’ End Dog Training http://www.doggydoright.com Nature, to be mastered, must be obeyed.                       -Francis Bacon- There are terrible people who, instead of solving a problem, bungle it and make it more difficult for all who come after.  Who ever can’t hit the nail on the head should, please, not hit at all.                      -Nietzsche- The abilities to think, rationalize and solve problems are learned qualities. The Wits’ End Dog Training Method challenges the learning centers in the dogs brain. These centers, once challenged, develop and continue to grow exponentially, to make him smarter. The Wits’ End Dog Training method capitalizes on praising split seconds of canine thought, strategy, and timing, not mindless hours of forced repetition, constant corrections, and scolding.                   -Jerry Howe-

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Hello all Proud new do owner here. My gf and I just got a 7 week old shepherd/husky/lab her name is TJ. She is positively adorable.  We got her to compliment our love of the outdoors and *hope* to bring her up as a gentle and protecting companion. She’s almost house broken but lately we’ve been having some problems with chewing.  She pretty much chews on everything, which I assume is normal.  We purchased the following books to help with training:  The Art of Bringing up a Puppy; The Monks of New Skete and Uncle Matty’s Ultimate Guide to Dog Training. We’be been trying some of the techniques to curb some of the puppy behavior and she seems to be responding, for the most part.  Lately she has shown a bit of a viscious streak when being "corrected".  Shake by the scruff and a firm "NO" is what we’ve been doing.  The last couple of days she’s been biting (rather hard) and this is something that I would like to nip in the bud.  I hate it when dogs bite people.  Especially since we are hoping to have kids and would like TJ to good with them. Any suggestions would be greatly appreciated! Rich Before you buy.

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