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*Sigh*  I have a one year old great dane who has just discovered she can simply jump over our 5 ft. chain link fence.  She doesn’t even need a running start.  I’m not sure what to do.  I’m pretty sure she *wants* to get out and run around the neighborhood due to some spearation anxiety (we’re gone all day). Now we put her on a harness and chain in the front yard– but when she wants she can somehow wriggle (sp?) herself out of the harness.  She’s like Houdini!!!  Our neighborhood has small children, and although she’s the best dog–very gentle, playful–she doesn’t know her own strength and we are worried about her knocking over a child–plus dogs are not allowed to run free. I know one answer is to build a 10ft fence around our backyard–but is there ANYTHING else that can be done?  She’s otherwise very well behaved and she’s been through obiedience training.  It’s as if she’s turning into a rebellious teen. Next she’ll want to listen to N’ * Sent from RemarQ http://www.remarq.com The Internet’s Discussion Network * The fastest and easiest way to search and participate in Usenet – Free!

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>I know one answer is to build a 10ft fence around our >backyard–but is there ANYTHING else that can be done?  She’s >otherwise very well behaved and she’s been through obiedience >training.  It’s as if she’s turning into a rebellious teen. Next >she’ll want to listen to N’

Sure – leave her safely in the house. Janet Boss Best Friends Dog Obedience "Nice Manners for the Family Pet" "Second-hand dogs AREN’T second-rate" see Lucy at:   http://www.flyball.com/nsl/

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What Samoyed friends have done (sammys apparently like to climb fences) is to make an "extension" on top of the fence that leans INWARD, kind of like those barb wire things at the top of jail fences but without the barbed wire (I think they used regular wire).  The inward tilt of the extension prevents the dog from jumping the fence. – Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – >*Sigh*  I have a one year old great dane who has just discovered >she can simply jump over our 5 ft. chain link fence.  She doesn’t >even need a running start.  I’m not sure what to do.  I’m pretty >sure she *wants* to get out and run around the neighborhood due >to some spearation anxiety (we’re gone all day). Now we put her >on a harness and chain in the front yard– but when she wants she >can somehow wriggle (sp?) herself out of the harness.  She’s like >Houdini!!!  Our neighborhood has small children, and although >she’s the best dog–very gentle, playful–she doesn’t know her >own strength and we are worried about her knocking over a >child–plus dogs are not allowed to run free. >I know one answer is to build a 10ft fence around our >backyard–but is there ANYTHING else that can be done?  She’s >otherwise very well behaved and she’s been through obiedience >training.  It’s as if she’s turning into a rebellious teen. Next >she’ll want to listen to N’ >* Sent from RemarQ http://www.remarq.com The Internet’s

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> *Sigh*  I have a one year old great dane who has just discovered > she can simply jump over our 5 ft. chain link fence.  She doesn’t > even need a running start.  I’m not sure what to do.  I’m pretty > sure she *wants* to get out and run around the neighborhood due > to some spearation anxiety (we’re gone all day). Now we put her > on a harness and chain in the front yard– but when she wants she > can somehow wriggle (sp?) herself out of the harness.  She’s like > Houdini

The thought of a puppy outside alone all day would give me the inside where he is safe and secure. I can really think of nothing that would make me feel comfortable with a youngster (or an oldster, for that matter)  outside all day when no one is home. — Toni www.irish-wolfhounds.com I/we recommend to all rpdb readers that Jerry Howe should be ignored as a crank and waste of time Killfile the jerk!

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Hello Skywalker, You’ve got to make her want to stay there. Use my separation anxiety surrogate toy technique when you leave and return, and use sound distractions and praise techniques to break her anxiety when she’s outside. Learn the Family Leadership Exercise, together these might just do the trick. Follow the instructions in the Wits’ End Dog Training Method manual available for free at http://www.doggydoright.com Jerry                                             caveat If you have to do things to your dog to train him, that you would rather not have to do, then you shouldn’t be doing them. If you have a dog trainer that tells you to jerk your dog around, choke him, pinch his ears, or twist his toes, shock, shake, slap, scold, hit, or punish him in any manner, that corrections are appropriate, that the dog won’t think of you as the punisher, or that corrections are not harmful, or if they can’t train your dog to do what you want, look for a trainer that knows Howe. Sincerely, Jerry Howe, Wits’ End Dog Training http://www.doggydoright.com Nature, to be mastered, must be obeyed.                       -Francis Bacon- There are terrible people who, instead of solving a problem, bungle it and make it more difficult for all who come after.  Who ever can’t hit the nail on the head should, please, not hit at all.                      -Nietzsche- The abilities to think, rationalize and solve problems are learned qualities. The Wits’ End Dog Training Method challenges the learning centers in the dogs brain. These centers, once challenged, develop and continue to grow exponentially, to make him smarter. The Wits’ End Dog Training method capitalizes on praising split seconds of canine thought, strategy, and timing, not mindless hours of forced repetition, constant corrections, and scolding.                   -Jerry Howe-

– Hide quoted text — Show quoted text -> *Sigh*  I have a one year old great dane who has just discovered > she can simply jump over our 5 ft. chain link fence.  She doesn’t > even need a running start.  I’m not sure what to do.  I’m pretty > sure she *wants* to get out and run around the neighborhood due > to some spearation anxiety (we’re gone all day). Now we put her > on a harness and chain in the front yard– but when she wants she > can somehow wriggle (sp?) herself out of the harness.  She’s like > Houdini!!!  Our neighborhood has small children, and although > she’s the best dog–very gentle, playful–she doesn’t know her > own strength and we are worried about her knocking over a > child–plus dogs are not allowed to run free. > I know one answer is to build a 10ft fence around our > backyard–but is there ANYTHING else that can be done?  She’s > otherwise very well behaved and she’s been through obiedience > training.  It’s as if she’s turning into a rebellious teen. Next > she’ll want to listen to N’ > * Sent from RemarQ http://www.remarq.com The Internet’s Discussion Network * > The fastest and easiest way to search and participate in Usenet – Free!

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You mean shock the dog, don’t you cindymoron… You don’t know enough about training to do anything other than HURT the dog. You don’t have the intelligence to outwit a puppydog. Jerry. – Hide quoted text — Show quoted text ->*Sigh*  I have a one year old great dane who has just discovered >she can simply jump over our 5 ft. chain link fence. > She hasta jump?  Sounds like a pretty small dane to me! :*) >I know one answer is to build a 10ft fence around our >backyard–but is there ANYTHING else that can be done? > You might consider augmenting the fence with a non visible fence > installation.  I don’t like "invisible" fences, normally, but they > work very well for partitioning a yard, house, or reinforcing an > inadequate fence that can’t be easily changed. > –Cindy > — >     I recommend that Jerry Howe be ignored as a crank and a waste of time. > Raging female jealousy, like penis envy, is a male myth.

http://www.k9web.com/dog-faqs/ ***** – Hide quoted text — Show quoted text ->        *** Southern California Lab Rescue: http://www.sclrr.org/ ***

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If you decide to visit the link Jerry Howe has given you, (http://www.doggydoright.com), be sure you also take a look at http://home.earthlink.net/~tdwillis/Harlan/concerns.html "Concerns About Claims for the Wit’s End Dog Training Method and Doggy Do Right". Also take a look at this link that explains why Jerry Howe’s " Doggy Do Right" machine cannot possibly function as he claims: http://deja.com/getdoc.xp?AN=516286408 Whatever you decide, make an informed choice. Ed Williams http://Petloss.com – Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – > *Sigh*  I have a one year old great dane who has just discovered > she can simply jump over our 5 ft. chain link fence.  She doesn’t > even need a running start.  I’m not sure what to do.  I’m pretty > sure she *wants* to get out and run around the neighborhood due > to some spearation anxiety (we’re gone all day). Now we put her > on a harness and chain in the front yard– but when she wants she > can somehow wriggle (sp?) herself out of the harness.  She’s like > Houdini!!!  Our neighborhood has small children, and although > she’s the best dog–very gentle, playful–she doesn’t know her > own strength and we are worried about her knocking over a > child–plus dogs are not allowed to run free. > I know one answer is to build a 10ft fence around our > backyard–but is there ANYTHING else that can be done?  She’s > otherwise very well behaved and she’s been through obiedience > training.  It’s as if she’s turning into a rebellious teen. Next > she’ll want to listen to N’ > * Sent from RemarQ http://www.remarq.com The Internet’s Discussion Network * > The fastest and easiest way to search and participate in Usenet – Free!

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Hello ed, You are a liar and a beggar.

> If you decide to visit the link Jerry Howe has given you, > (http://www.doggydoright.com), be sure you also take a look at > http://home.earthlink.net/~tdwillis/Harlan/concerns.html > "Concerns About Claims for the Wit’s End Dog Training Method > and Doggy Do Right".

There are no concerns about the Wits’ End Dog Training Method manual, because if there were, EVERYONE would be HOLLERING about it… All they can say is, they DON’T UNDERSTAND the manual, because they NEVER READ IT. Doggy Do Right (and KITTY WILL TOO) is 100% money back, satisfaction guaranteed FOREVER, and has a two year full warrantee, and BIOSOUND Scientific pays all return shipping, so if DDR doesn’t float your boat, it won’t cost ANYTHING to find out… And, don’t forget the 25% DISCOUNT for all shelter and rescue people, regardless of their tax exempt status… > Also take a look at this link that explains why Jerry Howe’s " Doggy > Do Right" machine cannot possibly function as he claims: > http://deja.com/getdoc.xp?AN=516286408

That was written by amy dahl, someone who twists and pinches dog’s ears and beats dogs with sticks to MOTIVATE them. Who do you want to believe? ME, the guy with all of the ANSWERS to dog behavior problems? Or someone who twists and pinches dog’s body parats and shocks dogs and beats them with sticks and LIES about it, BECAUSE they aren’t smart enough to outwit a puppydog?  > Whatever you decide, make an informed choice. Yes, do that. > Ed Williams

Why does ed want to HURT dogs to train them? You didn’t answer the question, ed. What do YOU think of HURTING dogs to train them? You are defending YOUR PALS who pinch and twist ears and toes and shock and choke and hit and BEAT DOGS WITH STICKS, and HANG dogs to REHABILITATE them, and THEY CALL IT TRAINING.

lying piece of smegma!" Nice talk. And your pals bitch about MY language. "Thus we should beware of clinging to vulgar opinions, and judge things by reason’s way, not by popular say." Montaigne "Violence is the last refuge of the incompetent." Salvor Hardin "If you cannot convince them, confuse them." H.S. Truman. ;~) DRAINING THE SWAMP, AND RELOCATING THE GATORS… J>>> "CUSTOM WILL RECONCILE PEOPLE TO ANY ATROCITY." G.B. Shaw. "I know that most men, including those at ease with problems of the greatest complexity, can seldom accept even the simplest and most obvious truth if it would oblige them to admit the falsity of conclusions which they have delighted in explaining to colleagues, proudly taught to others, and which they have woven, thread by thread, into the fabric of their lives."                                              Leo Tolstoy Is it any wonder that the following sig file has generated more complaints to my personal email than any other controversial post I have made to date, bar none?:                                             caveat If you have to do things to your dog to train him, that you would rather not have to do, then you shouldn’t be doing them. If you have a dog trainer that tells you to jerk your dog around, choke him, pinch his ears, or twist his toes, shock, shake, slap, scold, hit, or punish him in any manner, that corrections are appropriate, that the dog won’t think of you as the punisher, or that corrections are not harmful, or if they can’t train your dog to do what you want, look for a trainer that knows Howe. Sincerely, Jerry Howe, Wits’ End Dog Training http://www.doggydoright.com Nature, to be mastered, must be obeyed.                       -Francis Bacon- There are terrible people who, instead of solving a problem, bungle it and make it more difficult for all who come after.  Who ever can’t hit the nail on the head should, please, not hit at all.                      -Nietzsche- The abilities to think, rationalize and solve problems are learned qualities. The Wits’ End Dog Training Method challenges the learning centers in the dogs brain. These centers, once challenged, develop and continue to grow exponentially, to make him smarter. The Wits’ End Dog Training method capitalizes on praising split seconds of canine thought, strategy, and timing, not mindless hours of forced repetition, constant corrections, and scolding.                   -Jerry Howe-

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Jer, Thanks for posting that excellent self description in the subject header. I remind you that I never posted such a subject header, YOU did. > Hello ed, > You are a liar and a beggar.

Not true jer, For the record YOU are the pathological liar & admitted dog abuser here. YOU ARE LYING when you claim I abuse animals. Show me a post where I said any such thing. YOU ARE LYING when you claim I have pals who abuse animals. Show me a post where I said any such thing. YOU ARE LYING when you claim I defend abusing animals. Show me a post where I said any such thing. YOU ARE LYING when you claim to have "HUNDREDS" (you used to claim thousands) of satisfied customers. If what you said had ANY truth in it there would be many links to your website from that pool of customers. The fact is there are NONE, NADA. This can be easily be verified by everyone here & nothing you say can refute it. Where’s the LINKS jer?? EdW http://Petloss.com <spam & DDR advt. snipped>

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Just to clarify–we are not intending to leave her outside all day and we don’t.  We have a dog door that leads to our fenced in backyard so that she can go in and out as she pleases.  For now, until we figure out what to do, we periodically put her out on the front chain.  But we don’t leave her outside,chained or whatever, while we are gone.  So far thanks to all for your suggestio * Sent from RemarQ http://www.remarq.com The Internet’s Discussion Network * The fastest and easiest way to search and participate in Usenet – Free!

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>We have a dog door that leads to our fenced in >backyard so that she can go in and out as she pleases.  For >now, until we figure out what to do, we periodically put her >out on the front chain.

I guess a Dane-sized dog door is enough to scare off most burglars, eh?  ;) What about a smaller (or less agile) friend for "Houdini"?  My Aussie could get over my 4 foot fence easily – but he never has because he doesn’t *want* to.  He’d never leave his best buddy – my old girl dog, Murphy. Still, I wouldn’t trust this arrangement for when I wasn’t home.   I guess there aren’t any easy answers, Sky. — –Matt.  Rocky’s a Dog.

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I’m not surprised you are not enough to make your dog want to stay home. Jerry.

– Hide quoted text — Show quoted text ->We have a dog door that leads to our fenced in >backyard so that she can go in and out as she pleases.  For >now, until we figure out what to do, we periodically put her >out on the front chain. > I guess a Dane-sized dog door is enough to scare off most > burglars, eh?  ;) > What about a smaller (or less agile) friend for "Houdini"?  My > Aussie could get over my 4 foot fence easily – but he never has > because he doesn’t *want* to.  He’d never leave his best buddy – > my old girl dog, Murphy. > Still, I wouldn’t trust this arrangement for when I wasn’t home. > I guess there aren’t any easy answers, Sky. > — > –Matt.  Rocky’s a Dog.

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>I’m not surprised you are not enough to make your dog want to >stay home. Jerry.

Jerry?  Got dogs? I do.  I don’t believe that you even know a dog. — –Matt.  Rocky’s a Dog.

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My dogs won’t leave my property unless they’re invited out with me. Know why? There’s no place like home… Well adjusted dogs KNOW their property, and will stay there because that’s their home… All you bums talk about territorial instincts in dogs, but you don’t understand HOWE to USE ANY INSTINCT… You view instinctive reactions as ADVERSARIES, instead of ALLIES. Jerry.

– Hide quoted text — Show quoted text ->I’m not surprised you are not enough to make your dog want to >stay home. Jerry. > Jerry?  Got dogs? > I do.  I don’t believe that you even know a dog. > — > –Matt.  Rocky’s a Dog.

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So sorry if you failed to understand, but I jioned this discussion group to discuss–not to be slammed because I’m not the AA+++ dog trainer.  I’m new at this and am looking for HELPFUL suggestions.  Mr. Jerry Howe, I really didn’t want to get in the middle of your insurrection, and I plan not to from this messsage on.  I just ask for helpful, friendly suggestions.  I just want to be loved–is that so wr * Sent from RemarQ http://www.remarq.com The Internet’s Discussion Network * The fastest and easiest way to search and participate in Usenet – Free!

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– Hide quoted text — Show quoted text ->We have a dog door that leads to our fenced in >backyard so that she can go in and out as she pleases.  For >now, until we figure out what to do, we periodically put her >out on the front chain. >I guess a Dane-sized dog door is enough to scare off most >burglars, eh?  ;) >What about a smaller (or less agile) friend for "Houdini"?  My >Aussie could get over my 4 foot fence easily – but he never has >because he doesn’t *want* to.  He’d never leave his best buddy – >my old girl dog, Murphy. >Still, I wouldn’t trust this arrangement for when I wasn’t home. >I guess there aren’t any easy answers, Sky. >– >–Matt.  Rocky’s a Dog.

You know Matt, odd that you mentioned that–because she DID have a friend to play with (a little boy Fox Terrier).  they romped and played in the backyard all the time playing tug-of-war and "who can find the bunny first?"  Unfortunately, and I’ll spare the long story, the fox terrier had to be put to sleep.  Since then she’s bored and digs holes for fun.  We walk her and run her as much as we can.  But she still gets splenty bored.  I’ve suggested to my mom about getting a "playmate."  Hmm….we’re thinking about it….see my new mes * Sent from RemarQ http://www.remarq.com The Internet’s Discussion Network * The fastest and easiest way to search and participate in Usenet – Free!

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