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I have quite a bit of experience with basic dog training (I even managed to get my Malamute to sit-down-stay with hand signals!)  But I’m stumped on this one: I realize it’s right in the name but my Golden has this thing for bringing all the toss pillows in the house to me whenever he has a dull moment.  I’ve tried firm "no"s;  taking the pillow and replacing with a toy; praise when he chooses a toy instead of the pillow; walking him to where the toys are and swapping; shaking him down with "no", etc… Even if I’m able to intercept his intentions, he waits until I’m not looking and still brings the pillow.  Suggestions? I tried posting this last night but it didn’t seem to work; my apologies if this is a repetition. Leanne Young Before you buy.

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- Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – > I have quite a bit of experience with basic dog training (I even > managed to get my Malamute to sit-down-stay with hand signals!)  But > I’m stumped on this one: > I realize it’s right in the name but my Golden has this thing for > bringing all the toss pillows in the house to me whenever he has a dull > moment.  I’ve tried firm "no"s;  taking the pillow and replacing with a > toy; praise when he chooses a toy instead of the pillow; walking him to > where the toys are and swapping; shaking him down with "no", etc… > Even if I’m able to intercept his intentions, he waits until I’m not > looking and still brings the pillow.  Suggestions? > I tried posting this last night but it didn’t seem to work; my > apologies if this is a repetition. > Leanne Young > Before you buy.

Hello Leanne, The dog is probably bringing you the pillows just to see what kind of reaction he’s going to get next. If you’ve read my posts, you’ll know what’s coming next… Everything that you are doing to correct and train your dog is wrong, and you are responsible for exasperating the problem. Here’s some advice that will get you off to a better start, and of course, I suggest you read the Wits’ End Dog Training Method manual available for free at  http://www.doggydoright.com to learn how to properly handle and train your dog. You will really enjoy and benefit from this post, I expect… Any time we interact in a behavior by telling the dog no, or physically restrain or correct him, we are becoming part of the behavior, either as a player or competitor in the dogs mischief. Using sound as a distraction must always be followed by immediate, prolonged, non physical praise. Interrupting a behavior with sound should never be associated with us, as in voicing no, or telling the dog to stop it. The behavior should not be distracted with any intervention. We want the behavior to begin again, so that we may have another opportunity to properly address the behavior with another sound and praise. That way, we can completely end a problem while the dog is thinking about it, and we are prepared to address the issue before it becomes out of control. The sound must never occur twice in a row from the same direction. In other words, if you snapped your fingers in front of the dog to stop him from chewing on your shoelace, you’d praise him for five to fifteen seconds immediately upon snapping your fingers. The behavior will hopefully resume, and the next sound of the snap of your fingers must come from behind the dog, or even from a friend assisting from across the room, from a soda can with a few pennies in it, or any source of sound (except our voice!), followed by prolonged non physical praise, until the dog is no longer thinking about the behavior or resumes it. The third interruption of the behavior usually gets the message across, and the dog will think about the behavior for just a moment before engaging in it once again for the fourth and last time… That split second thinking about engaging in the behavior requires praise. Do not react to it with a challenge of shouting no, or physically removing the temptation. That moment of thinking about resuming the behavior and the praise it earns him will validate the prior interruptions of that behavior. The dog then needs to test it out, to be sure that the same behavior will be dealt with in exactly the same manner. They will usually make a fourth attempt at the behavior, and if you follow through appropriately, he will learn not to do that behavior anymore. But only on the one shoelace! He must take that behavior to other instances to fully cease the desire for the behavior. The behavior will not be completely broken until he has taken the process of elimination to the second, third, and fourth opportunity to explore that behavior. And, even at that, you may need to repeat the process in four completely different places. That means that the worst behavior may need up to sixty-four properly timed interruptions and praise. Usually it happens much quicker than that. Breaking a behavior in this manner reduces stress, takes us out of the position of negative enforcer or competitor or playmate, and allows the dog to extinguish a behavior because he simply doesn’t get any satisfaction from it. The other secret is giving the dog a payoff for every time they look at you. Each time you notice eye contact from your dog, you must praise him orally, to prevent his idle mind from doing the devils work.

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Poppycock – Hide quoted text — Show quoted text -> I have quite a bit of experience with basic dog training (I even > managed to get my Malamute to sit-down-stay with hand signals!)  But > I’m stumped on this one: > I realize it’s right in the name but my Golden has this thing for > bringing all the toss pillows in the house to me whenever he has a dull > moment.  I’ve tried firm "no"s;  taking the pillow and replacing with a > toy; praise when he chooses a toy instead of the pillow; walking him to > where the toys are and swapping; shaking him down with "no", etc… > Even if I’m able to intercept his intentions, he waits until I’m not > looking and still brings the pillow.  Suggestions? > I tried posting this last night but it didn’t seem to work; my > apologies if this is a repetition. > Leanne Young > Before you buy. >Hello Leanne, >The dog is probably bringing you the pillows just to see what kind of >reaction he’s going to get next. If you’ve read my posts, you’ll know >what’s coming next… Everything that you are doing to correct and train >your dog is wrong, and you are responsible for exasperating the problem. >Here’s some advice that will get you off to a better start, and of course, >I suggest you read the Wits’ End Dog Training Method manual available for >free at  http://www.doggydoright.com to learn how to properly handle and >train your dog. >You will really enjoy and benefit from this post, I expect… >Any time we interact in a behavior by telling the dog no, or physically >restrain or correct him, we are becoming part of the behavior, either as a >player or competitor in the dogs mischief. >Using sound as a distraction must always be followed by immediate, >prolonged, non physical praise. Interrupting a behavior with sound should >never be associated with us, as in voicing no, or telling the dog to stop >it. >The behavior should not be distracted with any intervention. We want the >behavior to begin again, so that we may have another opportunity to >properly address the behavior with another sound and praise. >That way, we can completely end a problem while the dog is thinking about >it, and we are prepared to address the issue before it becomes out of >control. The sound must never occur twice in a row from the same direction. >In other words, if you snapped your fingers in front of the dog to stop him >from chewing on your shoelace, you’d praise him for five to fifteen seconds >immediately upon snapping your fingers. >The behavior will hopefully resume, and the next sound of the snap of your >fingers must come from behind the dog, or even from a friend assisting from >across the room, from a soda can with a few pennies in it, or any source of >sound (except our voice!), followed by prolonged non physical praise, until >the dog is no longer thinking about the behavior or resumes it. >The third interruption of the behavior usually gets the message across, and >the dog will think about the behavior for just a moment before engaging in >it once again for the fourth and last time… That split second thinking >about engaging in the behavior requires praise. Do not react to it with a >challenge of shouting no, or physically removing the temptation. >That moment of thinking about resuming the behavior and the praise it earns >him will validate the prior interruptions of that behavior. >The dog then needs to test it out, to be sure that the same behavior will >be dealt with in exactly the same manner. They will usually make a fourth >attempt at the behavior, and if you follow through appropriately, he will >learn not to do that behavior anymore. But only on the one shoelace! He >must take that behavior to other instances to fully cease the desire for >the behavior. >The behavior will not be completely broken until he has taken the process >of elimination to the second, third, and fourth opportunity to explore that >behavior. And, even at that, you may need to repeat the process in four >completely different places. That means that the worst behavior may need up >to sixty-four properly timed interruptions and praise. Usually it happens >much quicker than that. >Breaking a behavior in this manner reduces stress, takes us out of the >position of negative enforcer or competitor or playmate, and allows the dog >to extinguish a behavior because he simply doesn’t get any satisfaction >from it. The other secret is giving the dog a payoff for every time they >look at you. Each time you notice eye contact from your dog, you must >praise him orally, to prevent his idle mind from doing the devils work.

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Hello bill, > Poppycock

Is that the freaking best you can come up with? Not even something substantial, like you’re full of shit, Jerry? Nothing more than Poppycock? I think a couple of deleted expletives, maybe some asterisks or them other thingy jiggy’s would at least make me feel sufficiently insulted… But seriously, billyboy, what the hell’s your gripe? You got some better advice? You got some criticism of my advice? Let’s hear it, chump. You got nothing going for you but stupidity. You got some criticism of my work, lets hear it, or at least attack me in the manner I’m accustomed. Poppycock, my ass!!! J>>> – Hide quoted text — Show quoted text ->> I have quite a bit of experience with basic dog training (I even >> managed to get my Malamute to sit-down-stay with hand signals!)  But >> I’m stumped on this one: >> I realize it’s right in the name but my Golden has this thing for >> bringing all the toss pillows in the house to me whenever he has a dull >> moment.  I’ve tried firm "no"s;  taking the pillow and replacing with a >> toy; praise when he chooses a toy instead of the pillow; walking him to >> where the toys are and swapping; shaking him down with "no", etc… >> Even if I’m able to intercept his intentions, he waits until I’m not >> looking and still brings the pillow.  Suggestions? >> I tried posting this last night but it didn’t seem to work; my >> apologies if this is a repetition. >> Leanne Young >> Before you buy. >Hello Leanne, >The dog is probably bringing you the pillows just to see what kind of >reaction he’s going to get next. If you’ve read my posts, you’ll know >what’s coming next… Everything that you are doing to correct and train >your dog is wrong, and you are responsible for exasperating the problem. >Here’s some advice that will get you off to a better start, and of course, >I suggest you read the Wits’ End Dog Training Method manual available for >free at  http://www.doggydoright.com to learn how to properly handle and >train your dog. >You will really enjoy and benefit from this post, I expect… >Any time we interact in a behavior by telling the dog no, or physically >restrain or correct him, we are becoming part of the behavior, either as a >player or competitor in the dogs mischief. >Using sound as a distraction must always be followed by immediate, >prolonged, non physical praise. Interrupting a behavior with sound should >never be associated with us, as in voicing no, or telling the dog to stop >it. >The behavior should not be distracted with any intervention. We want the >behavior to begin again, so that we may have another opportunity to >properly address the behavior with another sound and praise. >That way, we can completely end a problem while the dog is thinking about >it, and we are prepared to address the issue before it becomes out of >control. The sound must never occur twice in a row from the same direction. >In other words, if you snapped your fingers in front of the dog to stop him >from chewing on your shoelace, you’d praise him for five to fifteen seconds >immediately upon snapping your fingers. >The behavior will hopefully resume, and the next sound of the snap of your >fingers must come from behind the dog, or even from a friend assisting from >across the room, from a soda can with a few pennies in it, or any source of >sound (except our voice!), followed by prolonged non physical praise, until >the dog is no longer thinking about the behavior or resumes it. >The third interruption of the behavior usually gets the message across, and >the dog will think about the behavior for just a moment before engaging in >it once again for the fourth and last time… That split second thinking >about engaging in the behavior requires praise. Do not react to it with a >challenge of shouting no, or physically removing the temptation. >That moment of thinking about resuming the behavior and the praise it earns >him will validate the prior interruptions of that behavior. >The dog then needs to test it out, to be sure that the same behavior will >be dealt with in exactly the same manner. They will usually make a fourth >attempt at the behavior, and if you follow through appropriately, he will >learn not to do that behavior anymore. But only on the one shoelace! He >must take that behavior to other instances to fully cease the desire for >the behavior. >The behavior will not be completely broken until he has taken the process >of elimination to the second, third, and fourth opportunity to explore that >behavior. And, even at that, you may need to repeat the process in four >completely different places. That means that the worst behavior may need up >to sixty-four properly timed interruptions and praise. Usually it happens >much quicker than that. >Breaking a behavior in this manner reduces stress, takes us out of the >position of negative enforcer or competitor or playmate, and allows the dog >to extinguish a behavior because he simply doesn’t get any satisfaction >from it. The other secret is giving the dog a payoff for every time they >look at you. Each time you notice eye contact from your dog, you must >praise him orally, to prevent his idle mind from doing the devils work.

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Maybe we could send the fighting to another group, say, rec.assholes.all.the.time ?? – Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – > Hello bill, > Poppycock > Is that the freaking best you can come up with? Not even something substantial, > like you’re full of shit, Jerry? Nothing more than Poppycock? I think a couple > of deleted expletives, maybe some asterisks or them other thingy jiggy’s would > at least make me feel sufficiently insulted…

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You know Jerry,   I did, by accident, send the wrong response to the wrong person. But having said that, yes poppycock is the best I WOULD do if in fact I didn’t agree with you on any, or that subject.  The only gripe I have ever had with any of your posts is how demeaning and foul mouthed you are to anyone who may disagree with you.  I don’t feel the need to sink to that level and I’m sorry that you seem to get off on that kinf of vindicytive behavior. I have downloaded your training methods, and while I don’t agree with all of them, I do find some useful and intuative and have given you credit for them and have advised certain posters to listen to what you have to say before summarily dismissing them. Until know!   "poppycock my ass". What a clever retort! You are what is wrong with this NG and the world at large. You can’t stand someone to disagree with you and have to resort to diatribe and expletives whenever someone does. Someone of your intelligence should not have to do that but I guess you didn’t get to breast feed or your dad beat the hell out of you (I would have) because you invariably have to resort to this type of crap.   While we are at it, yes I do think you’re full of shit and someone, somewhere, sometime, (just like candid camera) is going to beat the shit out of you and I just hope pictures, descriptions, etc., are reported to this list when it happens. I don’t know "what matter of attck" you are accustomed to and don’t really care. An old saying: "You catch more flies with honey than vinegar". Id you really cared about dogs as much as you say you do, you would practice that! Then maybe more people would listen to you. By the way, I will gladly furnish you my full name, address and directions to my house if you really take offense to anything I said and want to do something about it. Likewise, please give me yours. I have a very long memory. – Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – >Hello bill, > Poppycock >Is that the freaking best you can come up with? Not even something substantial, >like you’re full of shit, Jerry? Nothing more than Poppycock? I think a couple >of deleted expletives, maybe some asterisks or them other thingy jiggy’s would >at least make me feel sufficiently insulted… >But seriously, billyboy, what the hell’s your gripe? You got some better advice? >You got some criticism of my advice? Let’s hear it, chump. You got nothing going >for you but stupidity. You got some criticism of my work, lets hear it, or at >least attack me in the manner I’m accustomed. >Poppycock, my ass!!! J>>> > >> I have quite a bit of experience with basic dog training (I even > >> managed to get my Malamute to sit-down-stay with hand signals!)  But > >> I’m stumped on this one: > >> I realize it’s right in the name but my Golden has this thing for > >> bringing all the toss pillows in the house to me whenever he has a dull > >> moment.  I’ve tried firm "no"s;  taking the pillow and replacing with a > >> toy; praise when he chooses a toy instead of the pillow; walking him to > >> where the toys are and swapping; shaking him down with "no", etc… > >> Even if I’m able to intercept his intentions, he waits until I’m not > >> looking and still brings the pillow.  Suggestions? > >> I tried posting this last night but it didn’t seem to work; my > >> apologies if this is a repetition. > >> Leanne Young > >> Before you buy. > >Hello Leanne, > >The dog is probably bringing you the pillows just to see what kind of > >reaction he’s going to get next. If you’ve read my posts, you’ll know > >what’s coming next… Everything that you are doing to correct and train > >your dog is wrong, and you are responsible for exasperating the problem. > >Here’s some advice that will get you off to a better start, and of course, > >I suggest you read the Wits’ End Dog Training Method manual available for > >free at  http://www.doggydoright.com to learn how to properly handle and > >train your dog. > >You will really enjoy and benefit from this post, I expect… > >Any time we interact in a behavior by telling the dog no, or physically > >restrain or correct him, we are becoming part of the behavior, either as a > >player or competitor in the dogs mischief. > >Using sound as a distraction must always be followed by immediate, > >prolonged, non physical praise. Interrupting a behavior with sound should > >never be associated with us, as in voicing no, or telling the dog to stop > >it. > >The behavior should not be distracted with any intervention. We want the > >behavior to begin again, so that we may have another opportunity to > >properly address the behavior with another sound and praise. > >That way, we can completely end a problem while the dog is thinking about > >it, and we are prepared to address the issue before it becomes out of > >control. The sound must never occur twice in a row from the same direction. > >In other words, if you snapped your fingers in front of the dog to stop him > >from chewing on your shoelace, you’d praise him for five to fifteen seconds > >immediately upon snapping your fingers. > >The behavior will hopefully resume, and the next sound of the snap of your > >fingers must come from behind the dog, or even from a friend assisting from > >across the room, from a soda can with a few pennies in it, or any source of > >sound (except our voice!), followed by prolonged non physical praise, until > >the dog is no longer thinking about the behavior or resumes it. > >The third interruption of the behavior usually gets the message across, and > >the dog will think about the behavior for just a moment before engaging in > >it once again for the fourth and last time… That split second thinking > >about engaging in the behavior requires praise. Do not react to it with a > >challenge of shouting no, or physically removing the temptation. > >That moment of thinking about resuming the behavior and the praise it earns > >him will validate the prior interruptions of that behavior. > >The dog then needs to test it out, to be sure that the same behavior will > >be dealt with in exactly the same manner. They will usually make a fourth > >attempt at the behavior, and if you follow through appropriately, he will > >learn not to do that behavior anymore. But only on the one shoelace! He > >must take that behavior to other instances to fully cease the desire for > >the behavior. > >The behavior will not be completely broken until he has taken the process > >of elimination to the second, third, and fourth opportunity to explore that > >behavior. And, even at that, you may need to repeat the process in four > >completely different places. That means that the worst behavior may need up > >to sixty-four properly timed interruptions and praise. Usually it happens > >much quicker than that. > >Breaking a behavior in this manner reduces stress, takes us out of the > >position of negative enforcer or competitor or playmate, and allows the dog > >to extinguish a behavior because he simply doesn’t get any satisfaction > >from it. The other secret is giving the dog a payoff for every time they > >look at you. Each time you notice eye contact from your dog, you must > >praise him orally, to prevent his idle mind from doing the devils work.

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[...] >An old saying: >"You catch more flies with honey than vinegar". Id you really cared >about dogs as much as you say you do, you would practice that! Then >maybe more people would listen to you.

Right there, Bill, should tell you all you (or anyone else, for that matter) ever need to know about Jerry Howe. That is, that he doesn’t give a shit about the dogs — he really only cares about his agenda and his "little black boxes." Otherwise, he’d do *whatever* it took to help people better understand his off-the-wall training philosophy, his device, etc. He’d be putting these devices into as many shelters as he could get them in, and offering testimonials to their effectiveness, etc. He’d be offering testimonials from BONA FIDE clients, not from his other FAKE aliases, etc. But he’s not, is he?  And there’s a very good reason that he’s not. Because there ARE NO TESTIMONIALS. There are NO BONA FIDE CLIENTS. Nada.  None.  Zilch.  Zero. And there’s a pretty damn good chance that he has NO DOGS, either. Now he’s even looking into another MLM SCAM — pycnogenol (see one of his recent posts regarding it). He’s a SHYSTER.  A FAKIR.  A FRAUD.  A PHONY. >By the way, I will gladly furnish you my full name, address and >directions to my house if you really take offense to anything I said >and want to do something about it. Likewise, please give me yours. I >have a very long memory.

Save your breath, Bill.  Jerry would just as soon leap off the Golden Gate Bridge than ever confront anyone in person. He’s a PUSSY, just like his chickenshit little buddy, Marc "John Doe" Kortlander. But if you’re really interested in looking him up someday, you can find his address on my Troll Central web site.  See below. But save something for the rest of us, eh? — Dogman http://www.i1.net/~dogman For everything you’ve ever wanted to know about Jerry Howe and other trolls and scumbags, go here: http://www.i1.net/~dogman/trolls.html "It would seem to me… an offense against nature, for us to come on the same scene endowed as we are with the curiosity, filled to overbrimming as we are with questions, and naturally talented as we are for the asking of clear questions, and then for us to do nothing about, or worse, to try to suppress the questions…"  Lewis Thomas St. Louis Rams — 41 Atlanta Falcons — 13 Go Rams!

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- Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – > You know Jerry, >   I did, by accident, send the wrong response to the wrong person. But > having said that, yes poppycock is the best I WOULD do if in fact I > didn’t agree with you on any, or that subject. >  The only gripe I have ever had with any of your posts is how > demeaning and foul mouthed you are to anyone who may disagree with > you.  I don’t feel the need to sink to that level and I’m sorry that > you seem to get off on that kinf of vindicytive behavior. I have > downloaded your training methods, and while I don’t agree with all of > them, I do find some useful and intuative and have given you credit > for them and have advised certain posters to listen to what you have > to say before summarily dismissing them. Until know! >   "poppycock my ass". What a clever retort! You are what is wrong with > this NG and the world at large. You can’t stand someone to disagree > with you and have to resort to diatribe and expletives whenever > someone does. Someone of your intelligence should not have to do that > but I guess you didn’t get to breast feed or your dad beat the hell > out of you (I would have) because you invariably have to resort to > this type of crap. >   While we are at it, yes I do think you’re full of shit and someone, > somewhere, sometime, (just like candid camera) is going to beat the > shit out of you and I just hope pictures, descriptions, etc., are > reported to this list when it happens. I don’t know "what matter of > attck" you are accustomed to and don’t really care. An old saying: > "You catch more flies with honey than vinegar". Id you really cared > about dogs as much as you say you do, you would practice that! Then > maybe more people would listen to you. > By the way, I will gladly furnish you my full name, address and > directions to my house if you really take offense to anything I said > and want to do something about it. Likewise, please give me yours. I > have a very long memory.

Hello, Bill, Still and all, what is your gripe with the information I gave? I didn’t see any better information given, so lets start and finish there. That’s the name of the game here, INFORMATION, isn’t it? The people that criticize me seldom have any valid criticism of my advice, they can only resort to childish slander of a personal nature. If any of my detractors had any ability as dog trainers, they would be engaging in intellectual discussions of the state of the art for the edification of everyone, not screaming bloody murder that I don’t know what I’m talking about. I don’t criticize competent posters, only those that offer irresponsible advice. As for my address, it’s public information. Furthermore, I don’t take the lumps and bumps personally, I realize that a lot of people here are having difficulty resolving their inappropriate beliefs, and it is indeed, painful to change and develop, it’s just a fact of life. Therefore, I don’t hold grudges, except for a very few here that I know know better, but are simply sick, malicious, animal abusers, that are desperately defending their heretofore unbesmirched reputations. Those are the ones that absolutely must be thoroughly discredited. Those are the bums that must be dispatched with at all costs, otherwise, they will continue to pollute the environment as they have since they’ve been here, at the expense of innocent dog’s lives… DRAINING THE SWAMP, AND RELOCATING THE GATORS… J>>> "CUSTOM WILL RECONCILE PEOPLE TO ANY ATROCITY." G.B. Shaw. "I know that most men, including those at ease with problems of the greatest complexity, can seldom accept even the simplest and most obvious truth if it would oblige them to admit the falsity of conclusions which they have delighted in explaining to colleagues, proudly taught to others, and which they have woven, thread by thread, into the fabric of their lives."                                              Leo Tolstoy Is it any wonder that the following sig file has generated more complaints to my personal email than any other controversial post I have made to date, bar none?:                                             caveat If you have to do things to your dog to train him, that you would rather not have to do, then you shouldn’t be doing them. If you have a dog trainer that tells you to jerk your dog around, choke him, pinch his ears, or twist his toes, shock, shake, slap, scold, hit, or punish him in any manner, that corrections are appropriate, that the dog won’t think of you as the punisher, or that corrections are not harmful, or if they can’t train your dog to do what you want, look for a trainer that knows Howe. Sincerely, Jerry Howe, Wits’ End Dog Training http://www.doggydoright.com Nature, to be mastered, must be obeyed.                       -Francis Bacon- There are terrible people who, instead of solving a problem, bungle it and make it more difficult for all who come after.  Who ever can’t hit the nail on the head should, please, not hit at all.                      -Nietzsche- The abilities to think, rationalize and solve problems are learned qualities. The Wits’ End Dog Training Method challenges the learning centers in the dogs brain. These centers, once challenged, develop and continue to grow exponentially, to make him smarter. The Wits’ End Dog Training method capitalizes on praising split seconds of canine thought, strategy, and timing, not mindless hours of forced repetition, constant corrections, and scolding.                   -Jerry Howe-

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[...] >Those are the ones that absolutely must be >thoroughly discredited.

Being "discredited" by a chickenshit little know-nothing scumbag like you Jer, is like having someone like Adolph Hitler try to discredit the N.F.L. for not having more black head coaches. >Those are the bums that must be dispatched with at all costs,

Yeah?   When?  How?  Where?  Dispatched by whom? You? BWAHAHAHAHAHA! >otherwise, they will continue to pollute the environment as they have since they’ve >been here, at the expense of innocent dog’s lives…

You don’t give a rat’s ass about dogs…it’s unlikely you even own one. You’re a chickenshit SHYSTER, Jerry. Period. — Dogman http://www.i1.net/~dogman For everything you’ve ever wanted to know about Jerry Howe and other trolls and scumbags, go here: http://www.i1.net/~dogman/trolls.html "There’s them that don’t know, and you can’t tell ‘em."                                             Louis Armstrong

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- Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – > [...] >Those are the ones that absolutely must be >thoroughly discredited. > Being "discredited" by a chickenshit little know-nothing scumbag like > you Jer, is like having someone like Adolph Hitler try to discredit > the N.F.L. for not having more black head coaches. >Those are the bums that must be dispatched with at all costs, > Yeah? > When?  How?  Where?  Dispatched by whom? > You? > BWAHAHAHAHAHA! >otherwise, they will continue to pollute the environment as they have since they’ve >been here, at the expense of innocent dog’s lives… > You don’t give a rat’s ass about dogs…it’s unlikely you even own > one. > You’re a chickenshit SHYSTER, Jerry. > Period. > — > Dogman

Hello lyingdogdirt, Looks like you are freaking out over my post enlightening you and frantik fraud die about the necessity to acclimate the dog to the ecollar prior to and after abuse. That’s really shaking you up, isn’t it??? You should be embellishing and praising me, and trying to make me look superior… Because it is only making you look even worse, as this chichenshitlittleshyster, nails your dirty ass to the wall, and hangs you out to dry in the sun… like I’m doing right now. You are history, Joey. Finished. Kaput. NOBODY believes your lies any more, so go away, or drop dead, because you are too mean to mend your vicious ways toward dogs, and rehabilitate yourself. You are a scared, vicious, cruel, COWARD, Adios. BWAHAHAHAHAHA!BWAHAHAHAHAHA!!BWAHAHAHAHAHA!!! DRAINING THE SWAMP, AND RELOCATING THE GATORS… J>>> "CUSTOM WILL RECONCILE PEOPLE TO ANY ATROCITY." G.B. Shaw. "I know that most men, including those at ease with problems of the greatest complexity, can seldom accept even the simplest and most obvious truth if it would oblige them to admit the falsity of conclusions which they have delighted in explaining to colleagues, proudly taught to others, and which they have woven, thread by thread, into the fabric of their lives."                                              Leo Tolstoy Is it any wonder that the following sig file has generated more complaints to my personal email than any other controversial post I have made to date, bar none?:                                             caveat If you have to do things to your dog to train him, that you would rather not have to do, then you shouldn’t be doing them. If you have a dog trainer that tells you to jerk your dog around, choke him, pinch his ears, or twist his toes, shock, shake, slap, scold, hit, or punish him in any manner, that corrections are appropriate, that the dog won’t think of you as the punisher, or that corrections are not harmful, or if they can’t train your dog to do what you want, look for a trainer that knows Howe. Sincerely, Jerry Howe, Wits’ End Dog Training http://www.doggydoright.com Nature, to be mastered, must be obeyed.                       -Francis Bacon- There are terrible people who, instead of solving a problem, bungle it and make it more difficult for all who come after.  Who ever can’t hit the nail on the head should, please, not hit at all.                      -Nietzsche- The abilities to think, rationalize and solve problems are learned qualities. The Wits’ End Dog Training Method challenges the learning centers in the dogs brain. These centers, once challenged, develop and continue to grow exponentially, to make him smarter. The Wits’ End Dog Training method capitalizes on praising split seconds of canine thought, strategy, and timing, not mindless hours of forced repetition, constant corrections, and scolding.                   -Jerry Howe-

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[...] – Hide quoted text — Show quoted text -> >Those are the ones that absolutely must be > >thoroughly discredited. > Being "discredited" by a chickenshit little know-nothing scumbag like > you Jer, is like having someone like Adolph Hitler try to discredit > the N.F.L. for not having more black head coaches. > >Those are the bums that must be dispatched with at all costs, > Yeah? > When?  How?  Where?  Dispatched by whom? > You? > BWAHAHAHAHAHA! > >otherwise, they will continue to pollute the environment as they have since they’ve > >been here, at the expense of innocent dog’s lives… > You don’t give a rat’s ass about dogs…it’s unlikely you even own > one. > You’re a chickenshit SHYSTER, Jerry. > Period. > Dogman >Hello lyingdogdirt, >Looks like you are freaking out over my post enlightening you and frantik fraud die >about the necessity to acclimate the dog to the ecollar prior to and after abuse.

What post? The post where you show everyone here that you don’t have a freakin’ clue about how to CORRECTLY use an e-collar? BWAHAHAHAHAHA! That figures! >You should be embellishing and praising me, and trying to make me look superior…

I’m good, Jerry, but I’m not that good. No one could ever make *you* look "superior," Jer. Not even Satchi and Satchi could make you look "superior"! >Because it is only making you look even worse, as this chichenshitlittleshyster, nails >your dirty ass to the wall, and hangs you out to dry in the sun… like I’m doing right >now.

Yeah, right, you delusional little pipsqueak. >You are history, Joey. Finished. Kaput.

Yeah, right.  Yada yada yada. You’ve been saying that now, for what?  Almost a year? And I’m *still* here. We’re all *still* here, Jer. And we ain’t going anywhere, either. Get used to it, little man. Get used to it. — Dogman http://www.i1.net/~dogman For everything you’ve ever wanted to know about Jerry Howe and other trolls and scumbags, go here: http://www.i1.net/~dogman/trolls.html "There’s them that don’t know, and you can’t tell ‘em."                                             Louis Armstrong

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Hello lyingdogdirt, > [...] >An old saying: >"You catch more flies with honey than vinegar". Id you really cared >about dogs as much as you say you do, you would practice that! Then >maybe more people would listen to you. > Right there, Bill, should tell you all you (or anyone else, for that > matter) ever need to know about Jerry Howe.

Everything people need to know about Jerry Howe is contained in the Wits’ End Dog Training Method manual, available for free at http://www.doggydoright.com > That is, that he doesn’t give a shit about the dogs — he really only > cares about his agenda and his "little black boxes."

Funny howe you never talk about training, you just Doggy Do Right. Like that is going to impress anyone? I never mention it, unless I’m asked. Even through private email, when people ask me about training information, that’s what I give them. They’ve seen my web page, and if they want to ask about that, they will. Otherwise, I address their training issues, that’s my profession, I’m a dog trainer… > Otherwise, he’d do *whatever* it took to help people better understand > his off-the-wall training philosophy, his device, etc.

It’s a little difficult taking training with a bunch of morons like yourself, that get freaky every time ANYBODY talks about non traditional choking and hanging dog training… All the information they are entitled to about Doggy Do Right is available on my web site, and I’ve got just a bit more if someone has a need to know more. > He’d be putting these devices into as many shelters as he could get > them in,

No, I don’t be putting anything in anywhere. I offer a 25% DISCOUNT for shelters and anyone involved with rescue work, based on MY criteria, not anyone else’s, not even Uncle Sam. I’ll give any worthy individual the discount, regardless of tax exempt status. I’m going to become a multimillionaire, I don’t need to worry about a couple of bucks to help someone out… > and offering testimonials to their effectiveness, etc.

Why don’t you leave product development and promotion to the Elves? They don’t care to hear your advice. The Elves have a particular business plan, and even I don’t question them, unless I have a need to know. I prefer to leave the tough jobs to the professionals, the BIOSOUND Scientific Elves. They know damn well what they are doing, and I don’t interfere with their work. > He’d be offering testimonials from BONA FIDE clients, not from his > other FAKE aliases, etc.

I have never used an alias, fake or otherwise. You, I’m certain are posting under a couple of names, but that isn’t my concern. And, if the Elves haven’t asked for testimonials from clients, I’m not going to shake their tree. They know their job, and I know mine. > But he’s not, is he?

It has always been my policy to deal directly with anyone that has questions about my methods, background, or product. That’s the way I am. I don’t give references, or ask for help from my students or customers. Period. Besides, I run the show, so anyone that takes exception to the way I do things, can go fry their ass, or go talk to you. I don’t do certain things, like tell people to ask other people about me. Anyone that’s got a problem with me, I’m right here. > And there’s a very good reason that he’s not.

Yes, the Elves are busy in that department right now. They’ve informed me that you’ll be the first to know of any policy changes. > Because there ARE NO TESTIMONIALS.

I’ve got plenty, but I don’t share. > There are NO BONA FIDE CLIENTS.

I’ve got plenty, and they each have my personal phone number with instructions to call 24/7 if they have serious questions. > Nada.  None.  Zilch.  Zero.

A few hundred. > And there’s a pretty damn good chance that he has NO DOGS, either.

I’ve got lots of dogs, and I’m looking for some more English Mastiffs. > Now he’s even looking into another MLM SCAM — pycnogenol (see one of > his recent posts regarding it).

Read the post, I don’t think I’m interested in anything but INFORMATION, to help solve dog behavior problems. > He’s a SHYSTER.  A FAKIR.  A FRAUD.  A PHONY.

As I said, you will only diminish yourself, when you are finally finished off here, by this shysterfakirfraudphony. I’m the fakir that is KILLING you, Bwahahahahaha! I’m the man behind the curtain. >By the way, I will gladly furnish you my full name, address and >directions to my house if you really take offense to anything I said >and want to do something about it. Likewise, please give me yours. I >have a very long memory. > Save your breath, Bill.  Jerry would just as soon leap off the Golden > Gate Bridge than ever confront anyone in person.

Perhaps you’d like to invite me to lecture at your dog club? > He’s a PUSSY, just like his chickenshit little buddy, Marc "John Doe" > Kortlander.

Yeah, I’m not man enough to choke and hang dogs. I’m really not much of a man, I’ve been compared more to a Greek god, than an ordinary man.. > But if you’re really interested in looking him up someday, you can > find his address on my Troll Central web site.  See below.

I don’t often entertain guests. My place could be a poor choice of vacations sites. > But save something for the rest of us, eh?

I’m always here, and always working. > Dogman

DRAINING THE SWAMP, AND RELOCATING THE GATORS… J>>> "CUSTOM WILL RECONCILE PEOPLE TO ANY ATROCITY." G.B. Shaw. "I know that most men, including those at ease with problems of the greatest complexity, can seldom accept even the simplest and most obvious truth if it would oblige them to admit the falsity of conclusions which they have delighted in explaining to colleagues, proudly taught to others, and which they have woven, thread by thread, into the fabric of their lives."                                              Leo Tolstoy Is it any wonder that the following sig file has generated more complaints to my personal email than any other controversial post I have made to date, bar none?:                                             caveat If you have to do things to your dog to train him, that you would rather not have to do, then you shouldn’t be doing them. If you have a dog trainer that tells you to jerk your dog around, choke him, pinch his ears, or twist his toes, shock, shake, slap, scold, hit, or punish him in any manner, that corrections are appropriate, that the dog won’t think of you as the punisher, or that corrections are not harmful, or if they can’t train your dog to do what you want, look for a trainer that knows Howe. Sincerely, Jerry Howe, Wits’ End Dog Training http://www.doggydoright.com Nature, to be mastered, must be obeyed.                       -Francis Bacon- There are terrible people who, instead of solving a problem, bungle it and make it more difficult for all who come after.  Who ever can’t hit the nail on the head should, please, not hit at all.                      -Nietzsche- The abilities to think, rationalize and solve problems are learned qualities. The Wits’ End Dog Training Method challenges the learning centers in the dogs brain. These centers, once challenged, develop and continue to grow exponentially, to make him smarter. The Wits’ End Dog Training method capitalizes on praising split seconds of canine thought, strategy, and timing, not mindless hours of forced repetition, constant corrections, and scolding.                   -Jerry Howe-

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- Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – >Hello lyingdogdirt, > [...] > >An old saying: > >"You catch more flies with honey than vinegar". Id you really cared > >about dogs as much as you say you do, you would practice that! Then > >maybe more people would listen to you. > Right there, Bill, should tell you all you (or anyone else, for that > matter) ever need to know about Jerry Howe. >Everything people need to know about Jerry Howe is contained in the Wits’ >End Dog Training Method manual, available for free at >http://www.doggydoright.com

No, here: Troll Central http://www.i1.net/~dogman/trolls.htm — Dogman http://www.i1.net/~dogman For everything you’ve ever wanted to know about Jerry Howe and other trolls and scumbags, go here: http://www.i1.net/~dogman/trolls.html "There’s them that don’t know, and you can’t tell ‘em."                                             Louis Armstrong

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Hello lyingdogdirt, > We’re all *still* here, Jer. > And we ain’t going anywhere, either. > Get used to it, little man. > Get used to it. > —

No, you have some things you’ve got to get used to, dogdirt… People are getting hip to you dirtbag, and you are history. You and your chump chums are finished here. I’ll be closing the lid, and pounding the nails, and tightening the screws myself… You pigs all lack credibility now, because of me, The Man Behind the Curtain, the shyster, the fakir, the scam artist… Is he a hero, or villain? It depends upon who you are. To Toto, he’s a hero. To the wicked witch, he’s a villain. Go ask Glenda. > Dogman

Now, dogdirt, kick yourself in the ass three times, and say, there’s no place left for me to go! There’s no place left for me to go!! There’s no place left for me to go!!! BWAHAHAHAHAHA!BWAHAHAHAHAHA! DRAINING THE SWAMP, AND RELOCATING THE GATORS… J>>> "CUSTOM WILL RECONCILE PEOPLE TO ANY ATROCITY." G.B. Shaw. "I know that most men, including those at ease with problems of the greatest complexity, can seldom accept even the simplest and most obvious truth if it would oblige them to admit the falsity of conclusions which they have delighted in explaining to colleagues, proudly taught to others, and which they have woven, thread by thread, into the fabric of their lives."                                              Leo Tolstoy Is it any wonder that the following sig file has generated more complaints to my personal email than any other controversial post I have made to date, bar none?:                                             caveat If you have to do things to your dog to train him, that you would rather not have to do, then you shouldn’t be doing them. If you have a dog trainer that tells you to jerk your dog around, choke him, pinch his ears, or twist his toes, shock, shake, slap, scold, hit, or punish him in any manner, that corrections are appropriate, that the dog won’t think of you as the punisher, or that corrections are not harmful, or if they can’t train your dog to do what you want, look for a trainer that knows Howe. Sincerely, Jerry Howe, Wits’ End Dog Training http://www.doggydoright.com Nature, to be mastered, must be obeyed.                       -Francis Bacon- There are terrible people who, instead of solving a problem, bungle it and make it more difficult for all who come after.  Who ever can’t hit the nail on the head should, please, not hit at all.                      -Nietzsche- The abilities to think, rationalize and solve problems are learned qualities. The Wits’ End Dog Training Method challenges the learning centers in the dogs brain. These centers, once challenged, develop and continue to grow exponentially, to make him smarter. The Wits’ End Dog Training method capitalizes on praising split seconds of canine thought, strategy, and timing, not mindless hours of forced repetition, constant corrections, and scolding.                   -Jerry Howe-

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>But if you’re really interested in looking him up someday, you can >find his address on my Troll Central web site.  See below.

Dogman, A most excellent site.  Very good photos too! LMAO! Beth

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If you enjoy training, you might try doing some retrieving work with your Golden.  It’s a lot of fun and may decrease his inclination to retrieve pillows all by itself.  If it doesn’t, once you have introduced the "leave it" command, you can tell him "leave it" when he goes to get a pillow. This would probably be a lot clearer to him than what you are doing now, since presumably you don’t have any vocabulary to communicate "don’t pick up that pillow." In addition, of course, you might devote some thought to ways in which you are inadvertently reinforcing this behavior–for a Golden retriever, it doesn’t take much. In fact, you might try reinforcing an alternative:  if he brings you an acceptable toy, toss it for him to retrieve a couple of times.  That alone might establish that toys are much more desirable than pillows. Good luck. – Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – > I have quite a bit of experience with basic dog training (I even > managed to get my Malamute to sit-down-stay with hand signals!)  But > I’m stumped on this one: > I realize it’s right in the name but my Golden has this thing for > bringing all the toss pillows in the house to me whenever he has a dull > moment.  I’ve tried firm "no"s;  taking the pillow and replacing with a > toy; praise when he chooses a toy instead of the pillow; walking him to > where the toys are and swapping; shaking him down with "no", etc… > Even if I’m able to intercept his intentions, he waits until I’m not > looking and still brings the pillow.  Suggestions? > I tried posting this last night but it didn’t seem to work; my > apologies if this is a repetition. > Leanne Young > Before you buy.

– Amy Frost Dahl            Retriever Training            phone: (910) 295-6710 Pinehurst, NC 28370                                             (http://www.oakhillkennel.com)

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>Everything people need to know about Jerry Howe is contained in the Wits’

  ( obligatory deletion of Howe To Spam A URL Through UseNet Messages) >Funny howe you never talk about training, you just Doggy Do Right.

  His Doggy Does Right????? damn he must know something about training after all ‘eh.  Like that >is going to impress anyone?

  The only one trying to impress anyone is you, and Howe. Otherwise, I address their training issues,     Good Sofa , Nice Sofa , Sit Sofa Sit.  that’s my >profession, I’m a dog trainer…

   Naaaaaahhhhh O though it was a Locomotive Propulsion Canine Engineer? " Cause nobody here believes you ever trained a rock , much less a dog.       It doesn’t count when they eliminate Jer , they do that on their own. >It’s a little difficult taking training with a bunch of morons like >yourself, that get freaky every time ANYBODY talks about non traditional >choking and hanging dog training…

   Bullshit as usual. From chapter 12 of " Howe To Play A DogTrainer On Usenet" Chapter Twelve: How To ObFuscate A Given Issue By Male Bovine Excremental >All the information they are entitled to about Doggy Do Right is available >on my web site, and I’ve got just a bit more if someone has a need to know >more.

weeks for manufacture and delivery)….. >No, I don’t be putting anything in anywhere. I offer a 25% DISCOUNT for >shelters and anyone involved with rescue work, based on MY criteria, not >anyone else’s, not even Uncle Sam.

   Uh Huh , Howe Convenient. Funny that many more reputable folks give away examples of their products to such deserving folk.  I’ll give any worthy individual the >discount, regardless of tax exempt status. I’m going to become a >multimillionaire, I don’t need to worry about a couple of bucks to help >someone out…

    Yeah , maybe if that Fla. swampland you sit on develops a leak and it’s light crude at thirty barrels a day. >Why don’t you leave product development and promotion to the Elves? They >don’t care to hear your advice. The Elves have a particular business plan, >and even I don’t question them, unless I have a need to know.

   So when is Santa going to deliver some business to you? I prefer to

   Notice the obigatory deletion of the Gratuitious Plug. >They know damn well what they are doing, and I don’t interfere with their >work.

  Uh huh , but you said that YOU developed it.Are these the Elves pattering about inside your head? >I have never used an alias, fake or otherwise. You, I’m certain are posting >under a couple of names, but that isn’t my concern. And, if the Elves >haven’t asked for testimonials from clients, I’m not going to shake their >tree. They know their job, and I know mine.

so The Other Jerry won’t be embarassed with lack of product?’ >It has always been my policy to deal directly with anyone that has questions >about my methods, background, or product. That’s the way I am.

      We know , we know " Howe To Dodge A Direct Question" Chapter 14. I don’t give >references, or ask for help from my students or customers.

 Are there any?  Period. Besides, >I run the show, so anyone that takes exception to the way I do things, can >go fry their ass, or go talk to you. I don’t do certain things, like tell >people to ask other people about me. Anyone that’s got a problem with me, >I’m right here.

   But not anywhere else. And thats the heart of it , you’re phosphor on the screen smoke on the wind , phonetic sound and fury signifying nothing whatsoever. You’re from the " If It doesn’t Go , Chrome It" , " But They’ve Got Good Uniforms" and " Doesn’t that Contact Paper Look Just Like Walnut"  school of business and life.    Thunder makes good deal of noise Jer , lightning holds the jolt. >Yes, the Elves are busy in that department right now. They’ve informed me >that you’ll be the first to know of any policy changes.

  Are you going to add a Workshop to The DollHouse for The Elves? >I’ve got plenty, but I don’t share. >I’ve got plenty, and they each have my personal phone number with >instructions to call 24/7 if they have serious questions.

   Uh huh. Say Hi for us. >A few hundred.

  You’re down to your last few hundred? Golly Howe will you make the " Payment". >I’ve got lots of dogs, and I’m looking for some more English Mastiffs.

   We’ll warn all the legitimate Mastiff breeders , thanks. >Read the post, I don’t think I’m interested in anything but INFORMATION, to >help solve dog behavior problems.

  Or your own perhaps? >As I said, you will only diminish yourself, when you are finally finished >off here, by this shysterfakirfraudphony. I’m the fakir that is KILLING you, >Bwahahahahaha! I’m the man behind the curtain.

  And the " Man Behind The Curtain" was a complete Fraud and a Weak Little Man. >Perhaps you’d like to invite me to lecture at your dog club?

   Oh YES I’d like that very much , and Howe. >Yeah, I’m not man enough to choke and hang dogs. I’m really not much of a >man, I’ve been compared more to a Greek god, than an ordinary man..

  Yup all the intellect of a Marble Statue. >I don’t often entertain guests. My place could be a poor choice of vacations >sites.

  Next Step……Chapter 15 " Howe To Thump Your ( cough ,cough) Chest >I’m always here, and always working.

   Yeah those stables constantly need mucking out don’t they.

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>You pigs all lack credibility now, because of me, The Man Behind the

Curtain, the shyster, >the fakir, the scam artist… >Is he a hero, or villain? >It depends upon who you are. >To Toto, he’s a hero. >To the wicked witch, he’s a villain. >Go ask Glenda. >Now, dogdirt, kick yourself in the ass three times, and say, there’s no

place left for me to >go! There’s no place left for me to go!! There’s no place left for me to

go!!!   All the allegory to The Wizard Of Oz…….hhmmmmmm do you listen to Of Odd.

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>we’ve never seen credentials from you,Joe Finocchiaro >                 1482 Cherry Creek Ln, Ballwin, MO 63021-6924 >                 Phone: (314)861-2860

When I start SELLING worthless "little black boxes," or trying to convince people that I’m the only trainer in the world with a freakin’ clue, then I’ll start offering credentials. Until that happens, you wimpy piece of shit, suck my salami, eh? — Dogman http://www.i1.net/~dogman For everything you’ve ever wanted to know about Jerry Howe and other trolls and scumbags, visit Troll Central: http://www.i1.net/~dogman/trolls.html ABCNEWS – Nicholas Regush Columns http://more.abcnews.go.com/sections/living/secondopinion/secondopinio… "There’s them that don’t know, and you can’t tell ‘em."                                             Louis Armstrong

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I’m not a trainer, but I’ve had some luck with this one:  Get him his own pillow.  When he brilngs that one, praise him like crazy, and ignore him (except to take the pillow from him) when he brings the others. Richard – Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – > I have quite a bit of experience with basic dog training (I even > managed to get my Malamute to sit-down-stay with hand signals!)  But > I’m stumped on this one: > I realize it’s right in the name but my Golden has this thing for > bringing all the toss pillows in the house to me whenever he has a dull > moment.  I’ve tried firm "no"s;  taking the pillow and replacing with a > toy; praise when he chooses a toy instead of the pillow; walking him to > where the toys are and swapping; shaking him down with "no", etc… > Even if I’m able to intercept his intentions, he waits until I’m not > looking and still brings the pillow.  Suggestions? > I tried posting this last night but it didn’t seem to work; my > apologies if this is a repetition. > Leanne Young > Before you buy.

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>Maybe we should just call ya The Wizard Of >Odd.

Old Dog, didn’t you know he was one of the original "munchkins"? Paulette~ A dogs life is too short…    Their only fault,really… http://community.webtv.net/BRDOGS/BrownDogsPaulette

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Thanks for the truly valuable advice.  We retrieve constantly…his fave is tennis balls (of course).  I’m pretty sure this is an attention play because he does it when I first get home or when I’m busy elsewhere. > once you have introduced the "leave it" command, > you can tell him "leave it" when he goes to get a pillow. > This would probably be a lot clearer to him than what you > are doing now, since presumably you don’t have any vocabulary > to communicate "don’t pick up that pillow."

He knows leave it but somehow with the pillows, he thinks he’s helping me….It only seems to work with stuff he knows is bad for him. > In addition, of course, you might devote some thought to > ways in which you are inadvertently reinforcing this > behavior–for a Golden retriever, it doesn’t take much. > In fact, you might try reinforcing an alternative:  if > he brings you an acceptable toy, toss it for him to > retrieve a couple of times.  That alone might establish > that toys are much more desirable than pillows.

I’ll try this one.  If it really is to get attention, a brief game might be just the trick. > Good luck.

Thanks! – Hide quoted text — Show quoted text -> I have quite a bit of experience with basic dog training (I even > managed to get my Malamute to sit-down-stay with hand signals!)  But > I’m stumped on this one: > I realize it’s right in the name but my Golden has this thing for > bringing all the toss pillows in the house to me whenever he has a dull > moment.  I’ve tried firm "no"s;  taking the pillow and replacing with a > toy; praise when he chooses a toy instead of the pillow; walking him to > where the toys are and swapping; shaking him down with "no", etc… > Even if I’m able to intercept his intentions, he waits until I’m not > looking and still brings the pillow.  Suggestions? > I tried posting this last night but it didn’t seem to work; my > apologies if this is a repetition. > Leanne Young > Before you buy. > — > Amy Frost Dahl               Retriever Training            phone: (910) 295-6710 > Oak Hill Kennel                    & Handling

> Pinehurst, NC 28370

        (http://www.oakhillkennel.com) Before you buy.

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> I’m not a trainer, but I’ve had some luck with this one:  Get him his > own pillow.  When he brilngs that one, praise him like crazy, and ignore > him (except to take the pillow from him) when he brings the others. > Richard

This is one I thought about but wanted to see if anyone else thought it might work.  I’ll try it!  Thanks! Leanne Before you buy.

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Who would have thought that a little Golden bringing pillows would spawn such violent language and hostility.  Is there always this much love in the room? Aside from two other posts, Molson (the dog) and I have learned little about corrective dog behavior; but volumes about human behavior.  I think I’ll stick to the company of dogs. Thanks again to those who offered advice.  I’ll let you know how it goes. Before you buy.

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