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Yeah… HOWEDY Sizzle Pants,

> I don’t know if I am a troll or not,

Of course you’re not the troll. There’s absolutely NUTHIN wrong with you, except the company you’re keepin right here on our dog lover’s forum. > I actually did want help,

Of course. You done a good thing, I’m proud of you. Took a lot of self examination and even MOORE courage to admit to and ask for help with what you’ve identified as an obstacle in your life and relationship with your dog. Our good professor lying doc "SCRUFF SHAKE and SCREAM NO! into its face for 5 seconds" dermer likes to ridicule my methods because we focus MOOREon the RELATIONSHIP rather than fear force intimidation bribery pain and death to cure dog behavior problems. > and my original post was true,

Of course. And that’s HOWE COME our dog lovers freaked out. They cannot discuss NON VIOLENT training CAUSE THEY AIN’T GOT NO IDEA HOWE to train a dog without jerking choking shocking crating and pinching and twisting ears toes and testicles and sprayin aversives in their dog’s eyes to make them friendly and gentle and teach them RESPECT for their AUTHORITY. > but when I saw the hateful responses to my request

Our dog lovers reflexed with fear of their own actions being discussed here. That’s HOWE COME our dog lovers offer to killfile Jerry and his students like Canis55 and marilyn and anyone who understands that fear force and confrontation are the cause of all dog behavior problems. > I think I just got pissed and became the troll.

You’re doin fine. > Anyway sorry.

NOT ACCEPTABLE. Don’t apologize to these lying dog abusing Thugs for accidentally bringing up a subject that makes THEM go INSANE. They NEED to be EXPOSED as the lying dog abusing Thugs they are. > About the ASCII art, no.

That wasn’t bad stuff. > I have never used it before,

Mind if I borrow it? > someone sent it to me at work =).

Tell them thank you, you’ve found a good place to use it. > And btw, sizzle pants is a reference to "jerky boys" > it has nothing to do with dogs.

Of course not. But our dog lovers seem to equate sex to pain fear force, and hurting dogs. They condone hurting and killing dogs, but if some pervert has a ‘relationship’ with an animal they’re not HURTING through traditional obedience training, they’relabeled animal fuckers by our abusive dog lovers who think assault with a friendly weapon is disgusting, but shocking and choking and beating and twisting and pinching dog’s body parts IS NORMAL, LOVING, APPROPRIATE handling and training that will enhance the bond between trainer and dog. Althought I’m not condoning either, I just need to let our readers understand our dog lovers are sicker perverts than the dog lovers who don’t hurt animals they’re "relating" to. > Thanks for the actual advice.

Advice? From liea? She’s one of our most incorrigible liars and dog abusing perverts. > Reason why I got pissed is that it seems that you people are so > fucking holier than thou.

Naah, that’s incorrect. THEY’RE LIARS and DOG ABUSERS themselves, that’s HOWE COME they reacted so aggressively to your problem. They’re AFRAID YOUR DISCUSSIONS WILL EXPOSE THEMSELVES AS LIARS AND DOG ABUSERS. It’s all articulated in my SYNDROME posts. > I mean training with pain is nothing new.

Here, it’s an rpdb CONVENTION. > Its not like I am the first person to ever spank a dog,

We beat and choke and shock and kill dogs, but not in anger. > I mean Christ

Christ couldn’t even pray for our dog lovers, he’d vomit trying to. > were you people born so wise or what?

That’s not the problem. The problem is our dog lovers cannot talk about abuse, cause they’re abusers themselves. Your original post hit too close to their own HOWESES. > I guess I am the only person here that has to learn.

Our regular dog abusers do not want to change anything. That’s HOWE COME they lie about my students and my FREE Wits’ End Dog Training Method manual. > I know this is a limited cross section of people,

WRONG. I selected our groups to expose as being representative of the industry. Welcome to WWW Wits’ End Dog Training Method School Of HARD KNOCKS. We’ll make you Dean Of Admissions should you care to stick around and devleop your abilities as a competent FREE Wits’ End Dog Training Method manual student and Disciple. > I would guess that about 75% of dog owners spank their pets at > one time or another,

Not here. Here on rpdb hurting dogs is TRADITION, it’s a rpdb CONVENTION, like killfiling Jerry for teaching non violent methods of handling and training. > but I bet few of those people are active in this > ng. So perhaps your flames were indicative of your bias.

The flames came from our lying dog abusing Thugs. > I realize now that pain is an effective means of training,

Only for our dog lovers. Real dog lovers do not hurt and intimidate their dogs, and consequently they have NO behavior problems because ALL dog behavior problems are a direct result of our mishandling and corrections and efforts to force control. > but that it can and often is self-defeating,

WRONG. HURTING DOGS ALWAYS CAUSES PROBLEMS. > after all who wants to have a dog > that is perfectly house-trained, but that hates you?

Our dog lovers think that "happy dance" the dog does when they see their pronged spiked pinch choke or shock collar coming is EAGERNESS to work. > That is why I asked for help.

THAT’S WHAT THEIR DOGS ARE DOING WHEN THEY EAGERLY EXPRESS TERROR AT THE IDEA OF BEING HURT SOMEMOORE. THEY’RE BEGGIN NOT TO BE HURT. Our dog lovers appreciate that as DESIRE to BE HURT someMOORE. > Anyway I guess we have a lot of people with different > personalities and different backgrounds

No. They’re cut of the same cloth. That’s HOWE COME they’ve polarized against Jerry and all non violent trainers that do not accept HURTING and KILLING dogs as an option. > but jezus, it would be nice that if a person is willing to admit that > he is wrong (even though that’s how they have trained dogs for > the last 10k years, and its perfectly legal) and asks for help he > might get some.

BWWWWHAHAHAHAHAAAA!!! I’ve offered THOUSANDS of dollars in CASH PRIZE MONEY for ANY effective non violent training methods. NOBODY has even come close to offering a vialble non violent solution to even the simplest behavior problems like digging holes, escaping fences, bolting through doors, barking, chewing, counter surfing, sofa sleeping. That’s HOWE COME they call my 100% successful students LIARS. > Later, and sorry for the "smelly cunt"

Me too. Our dog lovers want you to become angry and leave here so they’re not stuck answering questions they got no goddamned answers for. > I have no idea what you smell like.

Anchovy is what our expert lying dog abusing Thug lyingdogDUMMY sez. His recommendation is a scrub down with a bit of Lysol in the morning. > I obviously need to work on my communication skills. =/

You’re welcome here. Make yourself feel like you’re in your own HOWES when you visit rpdb. We got nuthin to hide….since Jerry’s been posting. > I’m inclined to believe troll.  My reasoning in these cases is thus: > Someone posts a message that may or may not outrage the regulars.

Only outrages them when they’ve got to look at their own actions. > Some give outraged responses.

See my posts "The Science Of The SYNDROME." > Some take it seriously and give polite reasoned responses.

WHO HAS? >  Now look carefully at what the original poster does.

The OP came here looking for HELP to NOT HURT his dog noMOORE. The OP EMBARRASSED our dog lovers all at once, like Jerry does, but from the other side. That REALLY makes them feel guilty, cause they’ve got NO response, except to tell them "WE HURT OUR DOGS PROPERLY." > If it’s a troll, it will answer only the outraged responses to tell > those people that it was serious in the first place or to get angry > again. If it’s not a troll, it will apologize for the first message > written  in frustration or anger and try to explain itself more clearly.

liea is one of our most severely disturbed liars and dog abusers. I suggest you find the posters who recommend killfiling Jerry and put them in your list of posters to mistrust. >  Do we really think that (fabulous) bit of ASCII art was designed on > the spot for this occasion?  Or do we think that this poster had it > ready and uses it often?

Ask liea about choking and shocking her dog. > Here’s another clue:  I can understand that sometimes posters > choose cute online names that make them anonymous.

Like lyingdogDUMMY aka tommy soronson of soronson’s kennels, MO, aka gentleman jim morrison, aka joey finnochiario, homophobe moderator of our aids forum who has a plan to convince aids patients to ignore medical advice and engage in unprotected sex to kill off the homosexuals who’d infect his own little sissy boys. > They may have all sorts of reasons for doing so.

AS STATED. >  But "sizzle pants"?

Interesting HOWE liea equates hurting dogs to sex. > Do we really think s/he chose while thinking about the > way our favorite furry friends pant on hot days?

Who exactly are the perverts here? The guys who’ve learned NOT to HURT and KILL dogs, or the dog lovers who condemn a reader for wanting to learn HOWE to handle and train their dog without jerking and choking them on pronged spiked pinch choke and shock collars and advise people to killfile the fastest most effective gentlest methods in the world because they obviate EVERY THING our dog lovers believe and teach? > –Lia

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Yeah… HOWEDY Sizzle Pants,

> I don’t know if I am a troll or not,

Of course you’re not the troll. There’s absolutely NUTHIN wrong with you, except the company you’re keepin right here on our dog lover’s forum. > I actually did want help,

Of course. You done a good thing, I’m proud of you. Took a lot of self examination and even MOORE courage to admit to and ask for help with what you’ve identified as an obstacle in your life and relationship with your dog. Our good professor lying doc "SCRUFF SHAKE and SCREAM NO! into its face for 5 seconds" dermer likes to ridicule my methods because we focus MOOREon the RELATIONSHIP rather than fear force intimidation bribery pain and death to cure dog behavior problems. > and my original post was true,

Of course. And that’s HOWE COME our dog lovers freaked out. They cannot discuss NON VIOLENT training CAUSE THEY AIN’T GOT NO IDEA HOWE to train a dog without jerking choking shocking crating and pinching and twisting ears toes and testicles and sprayin aversives in their dog’s eyes to make them friendly and gentle and teach them RESPECT for their AUTHORITY. > but when I saw the hateful responses to my request

Our dog lovers reflexed with fear of their own actions being discussed here. That’s HOWE COME our dog lovers offer to killfile Jerry and his students like Canis55 and marilyn and anyone who understands that fear force and confrontation are the cause of all dog behavior problems. > I think I just got pissed and became the troll.

You’re doin fine. > Anyway sorry.

NOT ACCEPTABLE. Don’t apologize to these lying dog abusing Thugs for accidentally bringing up a subject that makes THEM go INSANE. They NEED to be EXPOSED as the lying dog abusing Thugs they are. > About the ASCII art, no.

That wasn’t bad stuff. > I have never used it before,

Mind if I borrow it? > someone sent it to me at work =).

Tell them thank you, you’ve found a good place to use it. > And btw, sizzle pants is a reference to "jerky boys" > it has nothing to do with dogs.

Of course not. But our dog lovers seem to equate sex to pain fear force, and hurting dogs. They condone hurting and killing dogs, but if some pervert has a ‘relationship’ with an animal they’re not HURTING through traditional obedience training, they’relabeled animal fuckers by our abusive dog lovers who think assault with a friendly weapon is disgusting, but shocking and choking and beating and twisting and pinching dog’s body parts IS NORMAL, LOVING, APPROPRIATE handling and training that will enhance the bond between trainer and dog. Althought I’m not condoning either, I just need to let our readers understand our dog lovers are sicker perverts than the dog lovers who don’t hurt animals they’re "relating" to. > Thanks for the actual advice.

Advice? From liea? She’s one of our most incorrigible liars and dog abusing perverts. > Reason why I got pissed is that it seems that you people are so > fucking holier than thou.

Naah, that’s incorrect. THEY’RE LIARS and DOG ABUSERS themselves, that’s HOWE COME they reacted so aggressively to your problem. They’re AFRAID YOUR DISCUSSIONS WILL EXPOSE THEMSELVES AS LIARS AND DOG ABUSERS. It’s all articulated in my SYNDROME posts. > I mean training with pain is nothing new.

Here, it’s an rpdb CONVENTION. > Its not like I am the first person to ever spank a dog,

We beat and choke and shock and kill dogs, but not in anger. > I mean Christ

Christ couldn’t even pray for our dog lovers, he’d vomit trying to. > were you people born so wise or what?

That’s not the problem. The problem is our dog lovers cannot talk about abuse, cause they’re abusers themselves. Your original post hit too close to their own HOWESES. > I guess I am the only person here that has to learn.

Our regular dog abusers do not want to change anything. That’s HOWE COME they lie about my students and my FREE Wits’ End Dog Training Method manual. > I know this is a limited cross section of people,

WRONG. I selected our groups to expose as being representative of the industry. Welcome to WWW Wits’ End Dog Training Method School Of HARD KNOCKS. We’ll make you Dean Of Admissions should you care to stick around and devleop your abilities as a competent FREE Wits’ End Dog Training Method manual student and Disciple. > I would guess that about 75% of dog owners spank their pets at > one time or another,

Not here. Here on rpdb hurting dogs is TRADITION, it’s a rpdb CONVENTION, like killfiling Jerry for teaching non violent methods of handling and training. > but I bet few of those people are active in this > ng. So perhaps your flames were indicative of your bias.

The flames came from our lying dog abusing Thugs. > I realize now that pain is an effective means of training,

Only for our dog lovers. Real dog lovers do not hurt and intimidate their dogs, and consequently they have NO behavior problems because ALL dog behavior problems are a direct result of our mishandling and corrections and efforts to force control. > but that it can and often is self-defeating,

WRONG. HURTING DOGS ALWAYS CAUSES PROBLEMS. > after all who wants to have a dog > that is perfectly house-trained, but that hates you?

Our dog lovers think that "happy dance" the dog does when they see their pronged spiked pinch choke or shock collar coming is EAGERNESS to work. > That is why I asked for help.

THAT’S WHAT THEIR DOGS ARE DOING WHEN THEY EAGERLY EXPRESS TERROR AT THE IDEA OF BEING HURT SOMEMOORE. THEY’RE BEGGIN NOT TO BE HURT. Our dog lovers appreciate that as DESIRE to BE HURT someMOORE. > Anyway I guess we have a lot of people with different > personalities and different backgrounds

No. They’re cut of the same cloth. That’s HOWE COME they’ve polarized against Jerry and all non violent trainers that do not accept HURTING and KILLING dogs as an option. > but jezus, it would be nice that if a person is willing to admit that > he is wrong (even though that’s how they have trained dogs for > the last 10k years, and its perfectly legal) and asks for help he > might get some.

BWWWWHAHAHAHAHAAAA!!! I’ve offered THOUSANDS of dollars in CASH PRIZE MONEY for ANY effective non violent training methods. NOBODY has even come close to offering a vialble non violent solution to even the simplest behavior problems like digging holes, escaping fences, bolting through doors, barking, chewing, counter surfing, sofa sleeping. That’s HOWE COME they call my 100% successful students LIARS. > Later, and sorry for the "smelly cunt"

Me too. Our dog lovers want you to become angry and leave here so they’re not stuck answering questions they got no goddamned answers for. > I have no idea what you smell like.

Anchovy is what our expert lying dog abusing Thug lyingdogDUMMY sez. His recommendation is a scrub down with a bit of Lysol in the morning. > I obviously need to work on my communication skills. =/

You’re welcome here. Make yourself feel like you’re in your own HOWES when you visit rpdb. We got nuthin to hide….since Jerry’s been posting. > I’m inclined to believe troll.  My reasoning in these cases is thus: > Someone posts a message that may or may not outrage the regulars.

Only outrages them when they’ve got to look at their own actions. > Some give outraged responses.

See my posts "The Science Of The SYNDROME." > Some take it seriously and give polite reasoned responses.

WHO HAS? >  Now look carefully at what the original poster does.

The OP came here looking for HELP to NOT HURT his dog noMOORE. The OP EMBARRASSED our dog lovers all at once, like Jerry does, but from the other side. That REALLY makes them feel guilty, cause they’ve got NO response, except to tell them "WE HURT OUR DOGS PROPERLY." > If it’s a troll, it will answer only the outraged responses to tell > those people that it was serious in the first place or to get angry > again. If it’s not a troll, it will apologize for the first message > written  in frustration or anger and try to explain itself more clearly.

liea is one of our most severely disturbed liars and dog abusers. I suggest you find the posters who recommend killfiling Jerry and put them in your list of posters to mistrust. >  Do we really think that (fabulous) bit of ASCII art was designed on > the spot for this occasion?  Or do we think that this poster had it > ready and uses it often?

Ask liea about choking and shocking her dog. > Here’s another clue:  I can understand that sometimes posters > choose cute online names that make them anonymous.

Like lyingdogDUMMY aka tommy soronson of soronson’s kennels, MO, aka gentleman jim morrison, aka joey finnochiario, homophobe moderator of our aids forum who has a plan to convince aids patients to ignore medical advice and engage in unprotected sex to kill off the homosexuals who’d infect his own little sissy boys. > They may have all sorts of reasons for doing so.

AS STATED. >  But "sizzle pants"?

Interesting HOWE liea equates hurting dogs to sex. > Do we really think s/he chose while thinking about the > way our favorite furry friends pant on hot days?

Who exactly are the perverts here? The guys who’ve learned NOT to HURT and KILL dogs, or the dog lovers who condemn a reader for wanting to learn HOWE to handle and train their dog without jerking and choking them on pronged spiked pinch choke and shock collars and advise people to killfile the fastest most effective gentlest methods in the world because they obviate EVERY THING our dog lovers believe and teach? > –Lia

Here’s our Three Amigos in action, good buddy:

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Yeah… HOWEDY Sizzle Pants,

> I don’t know if I am a troll or not,

Of course you’re not the troll. There’s absolutely NUTHIN wrong with you, except the company you’re keepin right here on our dog lover’s forum. > I actually did want help,

Of course. You done a good thing, I’m proud of you. Took a lot of self examination and even MOORE courage to admit to and ask for help with what you’ve identified as an obstacle in your life and relationship with your dog. Our good professor lying doc "SCRUFF SHAKE and SCREAM NO! into its face for 5 seconds" dermer likes to ridicule my methods because we focus MOOREon the RELATIONSHIP rather than fear force intimidation bribery pain and death to cure dog behavior problems. > and my original post was true,

Of course. And that’s HOWE COME our dog lovers freaked out. They cannot discuss NON VIOLENT training CAUSE THEY AIN’T GOT NO IDEA HOWE to train a dog without jerking choking shocking crating and pinching and twisting ears toes and testicles and sprayin aversives in their dog’s eyes to make them friendly and gentle and teach them RESPECT for their AUTHORITY. > but when I saw the hateful responses to my request

Our dog lovers reflexed with fear of their own actions being discussed here. That’s HOWE COME our dog lovers offer to killfile Jerry and his students like Canis55 and marilyn and anyone who understands that fear force and confrontation are the cause of all dog behavior problems. > I think I just got pissed and became the troll.

You’re doin fine. > Anyway sorry.

NOT ACCEPTABLE. Don’t apologize to these lying dog abusing Thugs for accidentally bringing up a subject that makes THEM go INSANE. They NEED to be EXPOSED as the lying dog abusing Thugs they are. > About the ASCII art, no.

That wasn’t bad stuff. > I have never used it before,

Mind if I borrow it? > someone sent it to me at work =).

Tell them thank you, you’ve found a good place to use it. > And btw, sizzle pants is a reference to "jerky boys" > it has nothing to do with dogs.

Of course not. But our dog lovers seem to equate sex to pain fear force, and hurting dogs. They condone hurting and killing dogs, but if some pervert has a ‘relationship’ with an animal they’re not HURTING through traditional obedience training, they’relabeled animal fuckers by our abusive dog lovers who think assault with a friendly weapon is disgusting, but shocking and choking and beating and twisting and pinching dog’s body parts IS NORMAL, LOVING, APPROPRIATE handling and training that will enhance the bond between trainer and dog. Althought I’m not condoning either, I just need to let our readers understand our dog lovers are sicker perverts than the dog lovers who don’t hurt animals they’re "relating" to. > Thanks for the actual advice.

Advice? From liea? She’s one of our most incorrigible liars and dog abusing perverts. > Reason why I got pissed is that it seems that you people are so > fucking holier than thou.

Naah, that’s incorrect. THEY’RE LIARS and DOG ABUSERS themselves, that’s HOWE COME they reacted so aggressively to your problem. They’re AFRAID YOUR DISCUSSIONS WILL EXPOSE THEMSELVES AS LIARS AND DOG ABUSERS. It’s all articulated in my SYNDROME posts. > I mean training with pain is nothing new.

Here, it’s an rpdb CONVENTION. > Its not like I am the first person to ever spank a dog,

We beat and choke and shock and kill dogs, but not in anger. > I mean Christ

Christ couldn’t even pray for our dog lovers, he’d vomit trying to. > were you people born so wise or what?

That’s not the problem. The problem is our dog lovers cannot talk about abuse, cause they’re abusers themselves. Your original post hit too close to their own HOWESES. > I guess I am the only person here that has to learn.

Our regular dog abusers do not want to change anything. That’s HOWE COME they lie about my students and my FREE Wits’ End Dog Training Method manual. > I know this is a limited cross section of people,

WRONG. I selected our groups to expose as being representative of the industry. Welcome to WWW Wits’ End Dog Training Method School Of HARD KNOCKS. We’ll make you Dean Of Admissions should you care to stick around and devleop your abilities as a competent FREE Wits’ End Dog Training Method manual student and Disciple. > I would guess that about 75% of dog owners spank their pets at > one time or another,

Not here. Here on rpdb hurting dogs is TRADITION, it’s a rpdb CONVENTION, like killfiling Jerry for teaching non violent methods of handling and training. > but I bet few of those people are active in this > ng. So perhaps your flames were indicative of your bias.

The flames came from our lying dog abusing Thugs. > I realize now that pain is an effective means of training,

Only for our dog lovers. Real dog lovers do not hurt and intimidate their dogs, and consequently they have NO behavior problems because ALL dog behavior problems are a direct result of our mishandling and corrections and efforts to force control. > but that it can and often is self-defeating,

WRONG. HURTING DOGS ALWAYS CAUSES PROBLEMS. > after all who wants to have a dog > that is perfectly house-trained, but that hates you?

Our dog lovers think that "happy dance" the dog does when they see their pronged spiked pinch choke or shock collar coming is EAGERNESS to work. > That is why I asked for help.

THAT’S WHAT THEIR DOGS ARE DOING WHEN THEY EAGERLY EXPRESS TERROR AT THE IDEA OF BEING HURT SOMEMOORE. THEY’RE BEGGIN NOT TO BE HURT. Our dog lovers appreciate that as DESIRE to BE HURT someMOORE. > Anyway I guess we have a lot of people with different > personalities and different backgrounds

No. They’re cut of the same cloth. That’s HOWE COME they’ve polarized against Jerry and all non violent trainers that do not accept HURTING and KILLING dogs as an option. > but jezus, it would be nice that if a person is willing to admit that > he is wrong (even though that’s how they have trained dogs for > the last 10k years, and its perfectly legal) and asks for help he > might get some.

BWWWWHAHAHAHAHAAAA!!! I’ve offered THOUSANDS of dollars in CASH PRIZE MONEY for ANY effective non violent training methods. NOBODY has even come close to offering a vialble non violent solution to even the simplest behavior problems like digging holes, escaping fences, bolting through doors, barking, chewing, counter surfing, sofa sleeping. That’s HOWE COME they call my 100% successful students LIARS. > Later, and sorry for the "smelly cunt"

Me too. Our dog lovers want you to become angry and leave here so they’re not stuck answering questions they got no goddamned answers for. > I have no idea what you smell like.

Anchovy is what our expert lying dog abusing Thug lyingdogDUMMY sez. His recommendation is a scrub down with a bit of Lysol in the morning. > I obviously need to work on my communication skills. =/

You’re welcome here. Make yourself feel like you’re in your own HOWES when you visit rpdb. We got nuthin to hide….since Jerry’s been posting. > I’m inclined to believe troll.  My reasoning in these cases is thus: > Someone posts a message that may or may not outrage the regulars.

Only outrages them when they’ve got to look at their own actions. > Some give outraged responses.

See my posts "The Science Of The SYNDROME." > Some take it seriously and give polite reasoned responses.

WHO HAS? >  Now look carefully at what the original poster does.

The OP came here looking for HELP to NOT HURT his dog noMOORE. The OP EMBARRASSED our dog lovers all at once, like Jerry does, but from the other side. That REALLY makes them feel guilty, cause they’ve got NO response, except to tell them "WE HURT OUR DOGS PROPERLY." > If it’s a troll, it will answer only the outraged responses to tell > those people that it was serious in the first place or to get angry > again. If it’s not a troll, it will apologize for the first message > written  in frustration or anger and try to explain itself more clearly.

liea is one of our most severely disturbed liars and dog abusers. I suggest you find the posters who recommend killfiling Jerry and put them in your list of posters to mistrust. >  Do we really think that (fabulous) bit of ASCII art was designed on > the spot for this occasion?  Or do we think that this poster had it > ready and uses it often?

Ask liea about choking and shocking her dog. > Here’s another clue:  I can understand that sometimes posters > choose cute online names that make them anonymous.

Like lyingdogDUMMY aka tommy soronson of soronson’s kennels, MO, aka gentleman jim morrison, aka joey finnochiario, homophobe moderator of our aids forum who has a plan to convince aids patients to ignore medical advice and engage in unprotected sex to kill off the homosexuals who’d infect his own little sissy boys. > They may have all sorts of reasons for doing so.

AS STATED. >  But "sizzle pants"?

Interesting HOWE liea equates hurting dogs to sex. > Do we really think s/he chose while thinking about the > way our favorite furry friends pant on hot days?

Who exactly are the perverts here? The guys who’ve learned NOT to HURT and KILL dogs, or the dog lovers who condemn a reader for wanting to learn HOWE to handle and train their dog without jerking and choking them on pronged spiked pinch choke and shock collars and advise people to killfile the fastest most effective gentlest methods in the world because they obviate EVERY THING our dog lovers believe and teach? > –Lia

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Dane hopped the fence!!!! EZ Behavior To EXTINGUISH Or Put On Cue

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<Snip a whole lot of fanatic vitriole> Good Grief! And I thought they had some major nutcases at rec.equestrian! At first I thought the "HOWE" person had created a stepford wife, but now I see s/he’s one and the same. PLONK!     Susan

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HOWEDY tracy,

> Bones wrote > Nope, can’t build the fence higher because it is chain > link and 500 feet ofit.  If you know the size of a Dane, > you will realize that they will trample almost any shrub. > I need to train my dog to not jump over or even on the > fence.  I don’t want to use an invisible fence because > Danes are really sensitive if you don’t know that already. > They may look tough but they take things to heart.  My > dogs are very spoiled too, (also have a very small shih > tzu) and we don’t use physical discipline on them and > I hate to say it but they get away with a lot because we > are not consistent with our training. > Which is obviously part of the problem.  But I don’t think > I know what to train him with anyway.

Neither do our dog lovers. Our experts haven’t got a clue except for to HURT the dog because THAT is their HUMAN NATURE. That’s HOWE COME they call Jerry’s 100% successfuls students liars, paid shills for Jerry, and animal fuckers. > Bones… > I don’t know

You don’t know squat, tracy. Your own dogs have OCD’s and one of them is being treated at the university behaviorist, and that’ll never work cause they’re treating the DOG’S behavior, not YOUR behavior towards the dog, the CAUSE of ALL your dog behavior problems. > quite what you expect from this group.

That’s REAL EZ tracy. The OP asked HOWE to teach his dog not to jump his fence. > You have a fence that your dog will jump over.

Like mine? Or like Misty’s? Misty don’t use no fence at all, and her dog won’t leave her yard, cause she LEARNED HOWE after you and your pals here LIED to her and told Misty not to believe Jerry and to killfile my information. That got her dog Peach DEAD. Now Misty KNOWS not to HURT her dog to train IT. > If you can’t raise it,

If the OP can’t get it up I suggest he’s got no choice but to train his dog. Besides, the fence as a barrier can make the dog aggressive, whereas the TRAINED dog will respect ITS boundaries and not be overstimulated by the fence so will be less aggressive and MOORE alert. Isn’t THAT a nice benefit for our protection dog lovers? > you CAN replace it with something

Called TRAINING. > higher that he can’t see through.

Or something IMPENETRABLE, like TRAINING, for example. > But that’s not cheap so you WON’T.

Training’s FREE and only takes a few minutes. > You CAN install an invisible fence,

That could make his dog aggressive and get IT DEAD, like "my golden retriever bit the ups driver," and "interested in hearing." > but you WON’T because you say your dog is sensitive.

Unlike yourself. You’re a liar and a dog abuser, tracy. > Maybe you don’t know about invisible fences,

Maybe you don’t know squat about training or you’d offer a METHOD to train the dog not to jump the fence. > but you don’t just put them up, put the collar on and let >  the dog go –

Right. You got to HURT the dog and let IT know YOU are the Thug HURTING IT. > you have to invest a little time in training your dog so he will learn

That is is YOU who is hurtin IT. > to avoid getting a correction, but…

You mean to avoid getting HURT, kinda like the DMZ? > You WON’T correct your dog.

You mean he’s not eager to HURT his dog, but you and blankman and tara.green2 and the rest of our lying dog abusing Thugs will TRY to convince the OP that shocking his dog is acceptable to SAVE IT from harm and to keep you from EMBARRASSMENT. That IS the EPITOME of The SYNDROME. > It is impossible to positively train a dog *not* to do something.

It’s near impossible for our dog lovers to train any dog to do any thing, cause they’re lying dog abusing Thugs, not expert dog trainers. Expert dog trainers don’t NEED to HURT. > You can train them to do something that is > contrary to the behavior you want to stop,

Oh? You gonna teach the dog to stand there and jerk off as our professor SCRUFF SHAKE dermer’s dog does when he gets stressed from being PUNISHED? > or you can condition them to avoid corrections

You mean condition the dog to avoid PAIN? You’re quite the genius! I didn’t know dogs don’t avoid PAIN at all costs…, tracy. > (consequences)

My science book tells me if you HURT a dog it will fear and hate and attack or withdraw from you, and perhaps develop OCD behaviors like excessive masturbation on your couch pillows as professor SCRUFF SHAKE’S little dog Maxi Pads does… or TURNS on them like your pal liea altshuller’s dog Cubbe or leah’s dog Madigan does to them. It’s all in the archives, People. > if they *do* the behavior you don’t want.

You mean if the dog does something that offends your human nature, and scares you or makes you feel out of control and scares and hurts your FEELINGS cause the dog EMBARRASSES you and TAUNTS your consience with fear and GUILT, the cause of your defective ego, inferiority complexes, and weak mind. That’s YOUR HUMAN NATURE compelling your to HURT and KILL and even to LIE about Jerry and call his 100% successful students liars, paid shills for Jerry and animal fuckers. > So, you CAN condition your dog not to jump,

By HURTING IT? > but you WON’T correct him.

But our dog lovers will TRY to CONvince the OP to HURT his dog as our pals enjoy. > So, since you WON’T correct him

You mean won’t HURT him… > and you WON’T raise or replace your fence,

There’s no need for the fence at all, if you ask my 100% successful students like Misty, for example. > your only options are to chain him up

Chaining the dog will make IT MOORE aggressive and maybe make IT MOORE aggressive on lead.  > or keep him in the house. To AVOID a behavior problem you can’t train? > Period.

No. You and your pals are Lying Dog Abusing Thugs, tracy. > If I were in your shoes,

You’d be HURTIN the dog and then wonderin HOWE COME the behaviorists at the university can’t unravel IT’S behavior problems. > I’d replace the fence.

Sure! That’s on account of you’re a idiot, a liar, and a dog abuser. > Chain link is not an ideal dog fence –

ANY fence may cause a barrier frustration syndrome in SOME dogs. > the dog can see through it which can excite his > prey/play drive and give him an enormous motivation to jump it.

And that’s different than just HEARING and SMELLING the critter on the other side… > Neighbor kids (and stupid adults for that matter) can tease > your dog through the fence and make him aggressive.

Right, but hurting the dog yourself is gonna make IT friendly like Sampson was after steve walker got through HURTIN his DEAD dog. > They can feed him things that might make him sick.

Another excellent point. Only takes a few minutes to poison proof a dog. > Also, since your dog can see out of it, he can become > territorial over not just the area he occupies, but also > the area he sees,

That doesn’t fit, dog abuser. The dog is likely to be MOORE aggressive if he can hear but not see. > which can contribute to aggression as the result of guarding behavior.

Yeah. That’s HOWE COME we don’t confine dogs to avoid behavior problems, we address the issues and then there’s no need to confine or worry or HURT the dog. > I wouldn’t want to be your insurance agent.

You wouldn’t be able to get licensed, they don’t tolerate  liars in the insurance business. > You have an accident waiting to happen.

That’s on account of nobody’s got no advice for our OP. > The only thing safe to do

Is HURT the dog… > (within your range of options) is > to either chain him or keep him in the house at all times.

That’s a flat out lie cause my students train their dogs in a few minutes not to jump fence or eat poison or molest other critters. > You chose the dog and you knew that a dane would get big.

Size doesn’t count. Take me for example. I’m only one little guy, and I’m stickin it to the entire industry 24/7 till I bring it to the world wide press and drop the hammer for the final death blow to our dog lovers and their vicious habits. > You either installed the fence or bought it with the house.

This isn’t a fence issue, this is a simple training problem like all the other training problems our dog lovers can’t handle without HURTING the goddamned dog and callin Jerry and his 100% successful students liars ONLY in order to DEFEND your alleged right to HURT and KILL your best dogs because you HURT them because of your defective fragile EGO, inferiority complexes and weak minds, and of course, for the MONEY. Like ed w of petloss dot CON, for example. He recommends koehler cause 10% of koehler trained dogs end up DEAD, like Robert Crim’s Wonder Dog Fritz. My methods would have turned aroun Fritz and woulda made IT work just like Robert’s Wits’ End Trained Dog. That’s HOWE COME our dog lovers TURNED on Robert, when he LEARNED he caused Fritz to go INSANE because of his traditional training methods. > One of the two came first and either your dog is too big > for the fence or the fence is too small for the dog.

So, you gonna HURT the dog? HOWE COME you don’t HURT the fence instead? HOWE COME you don’t HURT the neighbor’s dog like your pal lying lois did to her neighbors’ dog for coming on her property? > You have a responsibility as an owner to contain your dog properly.

You told him to HURT his dog or waste thousands of dollars in unnecessary construction to avoid a simple training problem my students would know HOWE to train after just a few minutes of study from their FREE copy of my FREE Wits’ End Dog Training Method manual available for FREE at http://www.doggydoright.com . You know, that’s the one our pals here like ed w of petloss dot CON likes to tell folks I’m SELLIN. > I hope you will do that.

I don’t think there’s any need to do nuthin moore than study your FREE copy of my FREE Wit’s End Dog Training Method manual available for FREE at http://www.doggydoright.com and invest the couple minutes it’ll take to properly handle and … read more »

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<Snip a whole lot of fanatic vitriole> Good Grief! And I thought they had some major nutcases at rec.equestrian! At first I thought the "HOWE" person had created a stepford wife, but now I see s/he’s one and the same. PLONK!     Susan

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HOWEDY susan,

> <Snip a whole lot of fanatic vitriole>

You mean EVIDENCE. > Good Grief! And I thought they had some major nutcases at > rec.equestrian!

Like Monty Roberts? His methods are in some ways identical to mine. > At first I thought the "HOWE" person had created a stepford > but now I see s/he’s one and the same.

I see you’ve been following my posts. > PLONK!

You all say that because Jerry EXPOSES your HUMAN NATURE. >     Susan

You’re a liar and an animal abuser. THAT’S your HUMAN NATURE, as articulated in The SYNDROME. All animal behavior problems are a DIRECT RESULT of your inappropriate and ineffective handling and training techniques. Here’s iron clad EVIDENCE, and I’ll give you as much as you can take. That’s HOWE COME our dog lovers try to convince folks Jerry’s a con man and his students are paid shills for Jerry, sock puppets, liars, and animal fuckers:

– Hide quoted text — Show quoted text -> [...] > >Jerry, after reading some of the threads in the news group, I can’t > >for the life of me understand why this many people are so dang blind > >or ignorant. You just keep plugging away at what you do, because > > you my friend are a life saver!!! > Okay, who the heck ARE you, really? > Who am I? My real name is posted. The story you have read is true. We > were at witts end, found Jerry’s web page by happenstance, wrote to > him almost exactly what you read, he gave me his sugestions, told me > what my results would be including a time line and, you know what? He > was and still is, right on the money. > I don’t care if he’s a warlock, a professor, disgrunted Entomologist, > or a man with a nitche that makes the sciences itchy, he saved the day > AND a dog’s life. > We were given suggestions from Medication, to a Behavioral Specialist. > I decided that instead of creating a Jerry Garcia or pay 125.00 dollars > an hour for my dog to lay on a couch to be freudiated, I decided Jerry > Howe’s method seemed to be more humane and sereine. > It worked, end of story. > A. Testa

Val writes Monday, 6/3/02 (original post of 5/31 below): Well, for what it’s worth, I am praising without physical contact and she does seem to listen better than when I would praise with it.  I agree that it is a distraction. Anyway, no more aggressive behaviors from her since I started the Witts End. Nevyn writes:

Jerry I cannot even begin to tell you the success Ive had with your training manual! My two mutts have gone from out-of-control psychos to obedient well behaved companions within a matter of weeks! AND My friends have seen the success and have asked me to work on their dogs! I was working with a 5 month old Ridgeback female today and she was being an angel after like an hour of working with her! it is AMAZING!! I pity those fools who take their dogs to classes where the "Trainers" abuse their dogs! (do they have a degree? A masters? a Phd? by the way? NO they are average joes off the street who think they know how to train dogs!) Once again, Jerry, you are a genius! NEVYN and my Dogs, Rizzo and Midget, My Grandparents dogs, Dusty and Snoopy, and my friends pup, Jazz. Never give out your password or credit card number in an instant message conversation. Nevyn says: hello Jerry. Jerry says: HOWEDY Nevyn Nevyn says: How are you? Jerry says: sup? Nevyn says: Oh nothing Nevyn says: My dogs are alot better now! Jerry says: fine Jerry says: tell me Nevyn says: I can walk them on or off the leash and they don’t give a % about other dogs Jerry says: naah Nevyn says: I can let them inside and they wont eat the cats Jerry says: naah Nevyn says: Yup Jerry says: what did you do, buy a shock collar? Nevyn says: No Nevyn says: Praised them Jerry says: ahh! Jerry says: you think they’re 100% better Nevyn says: ‘cept they still bark at the neighbour but only coz he swears at them and pours water on them Nevyn says: nahh they still have stinky breath! Nevyn says: muahaha Jerry says: ok Jerry says: I’ll go for that Jerry says: it’ll take a couple more days to break the neighbor thing if you’re consistent Jerry says: then he won’t swear and throw water at them Nevyn says: yeah but he’s only out on the weekends Jerry says: but they’ll still have stinky breath Nevyn says: muahahaha Jerry says: you gonna write the group and tell them they’re suckin hind teat? Nevyn says: eh Nevyn says: nah Nevyn says: cant Nevyn says: my news server isn’t workin Nevyn says: how about u just screenshot or copy this chat and post it Jerry says: why not. Nevyn says: sorry been tryin all day to get on the news server Jerry says: you got anything you’d like to tell the dog lovers who would prefer to see you choke and shock and lock your dogs in a box? Jerry says: I guess you don’t want to tell them nuthin that they don’t already know, huh? Nevyn says: hah Nevyn says: tell them they’re fuckers who need to die Nevyn says: dogs aren’t for abusing they are for loving they love so much Jerry says: that’s HOWE COME they got me now Jerry says: howe much training time did it take for the two of ‘em? Nevyn says: pfftt Nevyn says: it didn’t even seem like training Nevyn says: its been 24 days since I got your manual Jerry says: pfffttt!!!! Jerry says: hhahahahaha Jerry says: have you got that feeling that they’re in tune with EVERYTHING you’re wanting them to do? Jerry says: I forgot what city you’re in. Jerry says: maybe if you’re near alphalpha sweeny you can swing by and LAUGH your ass off at him growling at his dogs??? Jerry says: BWWWHAHAHAHAHAAAA!!! Nevyn says: LOL Nevyn says: I’m in Perth, Australia! Nevyn says: and yes they do seem to be in tune Nevyn says: oh!! the other day my dogs went into submissive position when a tiny little toy poodle came up barking at them! !LOL Jerry says: EXCELLENT! Nevyn says: lol Jerry says: they knew they didn’t need to fight, cause everything was in your expert control. Keep up the good work. j;~) View this article only Hello I have two mungrel females; the breeds exactly are Blue Heeler (spots) x Kelpi (dominant genes) x American Pitbull (behavioural) x Pug (don’t laugh!). They are gentle loving dogs when I’m at home with them, and they are friendly with unknown people. They are sisters. One is obviously dominant over the other, and I don’t have a problem with that, however; Their behaviour is very odd. Some days they are very good whilst I’m walking them, some days they are not. They are 3 years old and have only been walking for about 12 months because my mom didn’t walk them and now I’m home so I walk them for about an hour and half every afternoon. I take them to the park where they chase birds and swim in the lake. This is my problem : The less-dominant dog viscously barks at every other dog we walk past; I have tried using a stick and giving her a tap when she does it, and treating her with treats when she doesn’t, using a choke chain, a muzzle and a thing that sprays stuff in her mouth when she barks. She won’t stop! Does anyone know how I can stop her? ] Also, the more-dominant dog seems to know this is WRONG, when the other dog barks, she doesn’t bark, but she nips at the other dog as if telling her to cut it out, and then the barking one attacks the more-dominant one and they fight on the leash… it is quite disturbing to the people walking past. And also the more-dominant one is okay around other dogs… SOMETIMES… sometimes she completely ignores them, and yet other times she will attack them, like yesterday. The less dominant one I must keep on a leash if a person brings there dog to the park. How do I stop them attacking other dogs? I have tried all the methods I have used above for 10 months every afternoon. Is it just a pac k-behaviour thing? It can really be quite embarrassing when your dogs attack some old lady’s or little girl’s dog. They are good dogs, when at home or when there are no other dogs around. Today there were hundreds of sparrows flying around the park and they were chasing them and jumping up trying to catch them for more than 90 minutes (They went straight to bed when I bought them home!). Can anyone help me? Email me at my emails address, Thanks, Nevyn Friday, 5/31/02: HOWEDY Valerie, > I recently adopted a female, spayed 3 1/2 yr old dalmatian from a no-kill > shelter.

Nice goin. > She spent 2 years in the shelter and naturally she has some > socialization issues to overcome.

Naaah not naturally, anyHOWE. Kenneling for a long time shouldn’t have problems associated with it if the facility was reasonable, and if they’re not killin dogs they couldn’t be as cruel as our dog lovers janet boss john richardson and mikey ball who gladly help dogs DIE. > My problem is I am not quite sure HOW to tackle these issues. . .

Don’t worry about it! I got all the answers and none of the calories. All ya got to do is agree to do anything Jerry sez and you get the aluminum funnel hat, membership card, secret password, secret decoder ring, secret fan club privilidges, secret FREE Wits’ End Dog Training Method manual, secret FREE Wits’ End Dog Training … read more »

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HOWEDY tracy,

> Bones wrote > Nope, can’t build the fence higher because it is chain > link and 500 feet ofit.  If you know the size of a Dane, > you will realize that they will trample almost any shrub. > I need to train my dog to not jump over or even on the > fence.  I don’t want to use an invisible fence because > Danes are really sensitive if you don’t know that already. > They may look tough but they take things to heart.  My > dogs are very spoiled too, (also have a very small shih > tzu) and we don’t use physical discipline on them and > I hate to say it but they get away with a lot because we > are not consistent with our training. > Which is obviously part of the problem.  But I don’t think > I know what to train him with anyway.

Neither do our dog lovers. Our experts haven’t got a clue except for to HURT the dog because THAT is their HUMAN NATURE. That’s HOWE COME they call Jerry’s 100% successfuls students liars, paid shills for Jerry, and animal fuckers. > Bones… > I don’t know

You don’t know squat, tracy. Your own dogs have OCD’s and one of them is being treated at the university behaviorist, and that’ll never work cause they’re treating the DOG’S behavior, not YOUR behavior towards the dog, the CAUSE of ALL your dog behavior problems. > quite what you expect from this group.

That’s REAL EZ tracy. The OP asked HOWE to teach his dog not to jump his fence. > You have a fence that your dog will jump over.

Like mine? Or like Misty’s? Misty don’t use no fence at all, and her dog won’t leave her yard, cause she LEARNED HOWE after you and your pals here LIED to her and told Misty not to believe Jerry and to killfile my information. That got her dog Peach DEAD. Now Misty KNOWS not to HURT her dog to train IT. > If you can’t raise it,

If the OP can’t get it up I suggest he’s got no choice but to train his dog. Besides, the fence as a barrier can make the dog aggressive, whereas the TRAINED dog will respect ITS boundaries and not be overstimulated by the fence so will be less aggressive and MOORE alert. Isn’t THAT a nice benefit for our protection dog lovers? > you CAN replace it with something

Called TRAINING. > higher that he can’t see through.

Or something IMPENETRABLE, like TRAINING, for example. > But that’s not cheap so you WON’T.

Training’s FREE and only takes a few minutes. > You CAN install an invisible fence,

That could make his dog aggressive and get IT DEAD, like "my golden retriever bit the ups driver," and "interested in hearing." > but you WON’T because you say your dog is sensitive.

Unlike yourself. You’re a liar and a dog abuser, tracy. > Maybe you don’t know about invisible fences,

Maybe you don’t know squat about training or you’d offer a METHOD to train the dog not to jump the fence. > but you don’t just put them up, put the collar on and let >  the dog go –

Right. You got to HURT the dog and let IT know YOU are the Thug HURTING IT. > you have to invest a little time in training your dog so he will learn

That is is YOU who is hurtin IT. > to avoid getting a correction, but…

You mean to avoid getting HURT, kinda like the DMZ? > You WON’T correct your dog.

You mean he’s not eager to HURT his dog, but you and blankman and tara.green2 and the rest of our lying dog abusing Thugs will TRY to convince the OP that shocking his dog is acceptable to SAVE IT from harm and to keep you from EMBARRASSMENT. That IS the EPITOME of The SYNDROME. > It is impossible to positively train a dog *not* to do something.

It’s near impossible for our dog lovers to train any dog to do any thing, cause they’re lying dog abusing Thugs, not expert dog trainers. Expert dog trainers don’t NEED to HURT. > You can train them to do something that is > contrary to the behavior you want to stop,

Oh? You gonna teach the dog to stand there and jerk off as our professor SCRUFF SHAKE dermer’s dog does when he gets stressed from being PUNISHED? > or you can condition them to avoid corrections

You mean condition the dog to avoid PAIN? You’re quite the genius! I didn’t know dogs don’t avoid PAIN at all costs…, tracy. > (consequences)

My science book tells me if you HURT a dog it will fear and hate and attack or withdraw from you, and perhaps develop OCD behaviors like excessive masturbation on your couch pillows as professor SCRUFF SHAKE’S little dog Maxi Pads does… or TURNS on them like your pal liea altshuller’s dog Cubbe or leah’s dog Madigan does to them. It’s all in the archives, People. > if they *do* the behavior you don’t want.

You mean if the dog does something that offends your human nature, and scares you or makes you feel out of control and scares and hurts your FEELINGS cause the dog EMBARRASSES you and TAUNTS your consience with fear and GUILT, the cause of your defective ego, inferiority complexes, and weak mind. That’s YOUR HUMAN NATURE compelling your to HURT and KILL and even to LIE about Jerry and call his 100% successful students liars, paid shills for Jerry and animal fuckers. > So, you CAN condition your dog not to jump,

By HURTING IT? > but you WON’T correct him.

But our dog lovers will TRY to CONvince the OP to HURT his dog as our pals enjoy. > So, since you WON’T correct him

You mean won’t HURT him… > and you WON’T raise or replace your fence,

There’s no need for the fence at all, if you ask my 100% successful students like Misty, for example. > your only options are to chain him up

Chaining the dog will make IT MOORE aggressive and maybe make IT MOORE aggressive on lead.  > or keep him in the house. To AVOID a behavior problem you can’t train? > Period.

No. You and your pals are Lying Dog Abusing Thugs, tracy. > If I were in your shoes,

You’d be HURTIN the dog and then wonderin HOWE COME the behaviorists at the university can’t unravel IT’S behavior problems. > I’d replace the fence.

Sure! That’s on account of you’re a idiot, a liar, and a dog abuser. > Chain link is not an ideal dog fence –

ANY fence may cause a barrier frustration syndrome in SOME dogs. > the dog can see through it which can excite his > prey/play drive and give him an enormous motivation to jump it.

And that’s different than just HEARING and SMELLING the critter on the other side… > Neighbor kids (and stupid adults for that matter) can tease > your dog through the fence and make him aggressive.

Right, but hurting the dog yourself is gonna make IT friendly like Sampson was after steve walker got through HURTIN his DEAD dog. > They can feed him things that might make him sick.

Another excellent point. Only takes a few minutes to poison proof a dog. > Also, since your dog can see out of it, he can become > territorial over not just the area he occupies, but also > the area he sees,

That doesn’t fit, dog abuser. The dog is likely to be MOORE aggressive if he can hear but not see. > which can contribute to aggression as the result of guarding behavior.

Yeah. That’s HOWE COME we don’t confine dogs to avoid behavior problems, we address the issues and then there’s no need to confine or worry or HURT the dog. > I wouldn’t want to be your insurance agent.

You wouldn’t be able to get licensed, they don’t tolerate  liars in the insurance business. > You have an accident waiting to happen.

That’s on account of nobody’s got no advice for our OP. > The only thing safe to do

Is HURT the dog… > (within your range of options) is > to either chain him or keep him in the house at all times.

That’s a flat out lie cause my students train their dogs in a few minutes not to jump fence or eat poison or molest other critters. > You chose the dog and you knew that a dane would get big.

Size doesn’t count. Take me for example. I’m only one little guy, and I’m stickin it to the entire industry 24/7 till I bring it to the world wide press and drop the hammer for the final death blow to our dog lovers and their vicious habits. > You either installed the fence or bought it with the house.

This isn’t a fence issue, this is a simple training problem like all the other training problems our dog lovers can’t handle without HURTING the goddamned dog and callin Jerry and his 100% successful students liars ONLY in order to DEFEND your alleged right to HURT and KILL your best dogs because you HURT them because of your defective fragile EGO, inferiority complexes and weak minds, and of course, for the MONEY. Like ed w of petloss dot CON, for example. He recommends koehler cause 10% of koehler trained dogs end up DEAD, like Robert Crim’s Wonder Dog Fritz. My methods would have turned aroun Fritz and woulda made IT work just like Robert’s Wits’ End Trained Dog. That’s HOWE COME our dog lovers TURNED on Robert, when he LEARNED he caused Fritz to go INSANE because of his traditional training methods. > One of the two came first and either your dog is too big > for the fence or the fence is too small for the dog.

So, you gonna HURT the dog? HOWE COME you don’t HURT the fence instead? HOWE COME you don’t HURT the neighbor’s dog like your pal lying lois did to her neighbors’ dog for coming on her property? > You have a responsibility as an owner to contain your dog properly.

You told him to HURT his dog or waste thousands of dollars in unnecessary construction to avoid a simple training problem my students would know HOWE to train after just a few minutes of study from their FREE copy of my FREE Wits’ End Dog Training Method manual available for FREE at http://www.doggydoright.com . You know, that’s the one our pals here like ed w of petloss dot CON likes to tell folks I’m SELLIN. > I hope you will do that.

I don’t think there’s any need to do nuthin moore than study your FREE copy of my FREE Wit’s End Dog Training Method manual available for FREE at http://www.doggydoright.com and invest the couple minutes it’ll take to properly handle and … read more »

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<Snip a whole lot of fanatic vitriole> Good Grief! And I thought they had some major nutcases at rec.equestrian! At first I thought the "HOWE" person had created a stepford wife, but now I see s/he’s one and the same. PLONK!     Susan

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HOWEDY susan,

> <Snip a whole lot of fanatic vitriole>

You mean EVIDENCE. > Good Grief! And I thought they had some major nutcases at > rec.equestrian!

Like Monty Roberts? His methods are in some ways identical to mine. > At first I thought the "HOWE" person had created a stepford > but now I see s/he’s one and the same.

I see you’ve been following my posts. > PLONK!

You all say that because Jerry EXPOSES your HUMAN NATURE. >     Susan

You’re a liar and an animal abuser. THAT’S your HUMAN NATURE, as articulated in The SYNDROME. All animal behavior problems are a DIRECT RESULT of your inappropriate and ineffective handling and training techniques. Here’s iron clad EVIDENCE, and I’ll give you as much as you can take. That’s HOWE COME our dog lovers try to convince folks Jerry’s a con man and his students are paid shills for Jerry, sock puppets, liars, and animal fuckers:

– Hide quoted text — Show quoted text -> [...] > >Jerry, after reading some of the threads in the news group, I can’t > >for the life of me understand why this many people are so dang blind > >or ignorant. You just keep plugging away at what you do, because > > you my friend are a life saver!!! > Okay, who the heck ARE you, really? > Who am I? My real name is posted. The story you have read is true. We > were at witts end, found Jerry’s web page by happenstance, wrote to > him almost exactly what you read, he gave me his sugestions, told me > what my results would be including a time line and, you know what? He > was and still is, right on the money. > I don’t care if he’s a warlock, a professor, disgrunted Entomologist, > or a man with a nitche that makes the sciences itchy, he saved the day > AND a dog’s life. > We were given suggestions from Medication, to a Behavioral Specialist. > I decided that instead of creating a Jerry Garcia or pay 125.00 dollars > an hour for my dog to lay on a couch to be freudiated, I decided Jerry > Howe’s method seemed to be more humane and sereine. > It worked, end of story. > A. Testa

Val writes Monday, 6/3/02 (original post of 5/31 below): Well, for what it’s worth, I am praising without physical contact and she does seem to listen better than when I would praise with it.  I agree that it is a distraction. Anyway, no more aggressive behaviors from her since I started the Witts End. Nevyn writes:

Jerry I cannot even begin to tell you the success Ive had with your training manual! My two mutts have gone from out-of-control psychos to obedient well behaved companions within a matter of weeks! AND My friends have seen the success and have asked me to work on their dogs! I was working with a 5 month old Ridgeback female today and she was being an angel after like an hour of working with her! it is AMAZING!! I pity those fools who take their dogs to classes where the "Trainers" abuse their dogs! (do they have a degree? A masters? a Phd? by the way? NO they are average joes off the street who think they know how to train dogs!) Once again, Jerry, you are a genius! NEVYN and my Dogs, Rizzo and Midget, My Grandparents dogs, Dusty and Snoopy, and my friends pup, Jazz. Never give out your password or credit card number in an instant message conversation. Nevyn says: hello Jerry. Jerry says: HOWEDY Nevyn Nevyn says: How are you? Jerry says: sup? Nevyn says: Oh nothing Nevyn says: My dogs are alot better now! Jerry says: fine Jerry says: tell me Nevyn says: I can walk them on or off the leash and they don’t give a % about other dogs Jerry says: naah Nevyn says: I can let them inside and they wont eat the cats Jerry says: naah Nevyn says: Yup Jerry says: what did you do, buy a shock collar? Nevyn says: No Nevyn says: Praised them Jerry says: ahh! Jerry says: you think they’re 100% better Nevyn says: ‘cept they still bark at the neighbour but only coz he swears at them and pours water on them Nevyn says: nahh they still have stinky breath! Nevyn says: muahaha Jerry says: ok Jerry says: I’ll go for that Jerry says: it’ll take a couple more days to break the neighbor thing if you’re consistent Jerry says: then he won’t swear and throw water at them Nevyn says: yeah but he’s only out on the weekends Jerry says: but they’ll still have stinky breath Nevyn says: muahahaha Jerry says: you gonna write the group and tell them they’re suckin hind teat? Nevyn says: eh Nevyn says: nah Nevyn says: cant Nevyn says: my news server isn’t workin Nevyn says: how about u just screenshot or copy this chat and post it Jerry says: why not. Nevyn says: sorry been tryin all day to get on the news server Jerry says: you got anything you’d like to tell the dog lovers who would prefer to see you choke and shock and lock your dogs in a box? Jerry says: I guess you don’t want to tell them nuthin that they don’t already know, huh? Nevyn says: hah Nevyn says: tell them they’re fuckers who need to die Nevyn says: dogs aren’t for abusing they are for loving they love so much Jerry says: that’s HOWE COME they got me now Jerry says: howe much training time did it take for the two of ‘em? Nevyn says: pfftt Nevyn says: it didn’t even seem like training Nevyn says: its been 24 days since I got your manual Jerry says: pfffttt!!!! Jerry says: hhahahahaha Jerry says: have you got that feeling that they’re in tune with EVERYTHING you’re wanting them to do? Jerry says: I forgot what city you’re in. Jerry says: maybe if you’re near alphalpha sweeny you can swing by and LAUGH your ass off at him growling at his dogs??? Jerry says: BWWWHAHAHAHAHAAAA!!! Nevyn says: LOL Nevyn says: I’m in Perth, Australia! Nevyn says: and yes they do seem to be in tune Nevyn says: oh!! the other day my dogs went into submissive position when a tiny little toy poodle came up barking at them! !LOL Jerry says: EXCELLENT! Nevyn says: lol Jerry says: they knew they didn’t need to fight, cause everything was in your expert control. Keep up the good work. j;~) View this article only Hello I have two mungrel females; the breeds exactly are Blue Heeler (spots) x Kelpi (dominant genes) x American Pitbull (behavioural) x Pug (don’t laugh!). They are gentle loving dogs when I’m at home with them, and they are friendly with unknown people. They are sisters. One is obviously dominant over the other, and I don’t have a problem with that, however; Their behaviour is very odd. Some days they are very good whilst I’m walking them, some days they are not. They are 3 years old and have only been walking for about 12 months because my mom didn’t walk them and now I’m home so I walk them for about an hour and half every afternoon. I take them to the park where they chase birds and swim in the lake. This is my problem : The less-dominant dog viscously barks at every other dog we walk past; I have tried using a stick and giving her a tap when she does it, and treating her with treats when she doesn’t, using a choke chain, a muzzle and a thing that sprays stuff in her mouth when she barks. She won’t stop! Does anyone know how I can stop her? ] Also, the more-dominant dog seems to know this is WRONG, when the other dog barks, she doesn’t bark, but she nips at the other dog as if telling her to cut it out, and then the barking one attacks the more-dominant one and they fight on the leash… it is quite disturbing to the people walking past. And also the more-dominant one is okay around other dogs… SOMETIMES… sometimes she completely ignores them, and yet other times she will attack them, like yesterday. The less dominant one I must keep on a leash if a person brings there dog to the park. How do I stop them attacking other dogs? I have tried all the methods I have used above for 10 months every afternoon. Is it just a pac k-behaviour thing? It can really be quite embarrassing when your dogs attack some old lady’s or little girl’s dog. They are good dogs, when at home or when there are no other dogs around. Today there were hundreds of sparrows flying around the park and they were chasing them and jumping up trying to catch them for more than 90 minutes (They went straight to bed when I bought them home!). Can anyone help me? Email me at my emails address, Thanks, Nevyn Friday, 5/31/02: HOWEDY Valerie, > I recently adopted a female, spayed 3 1/2 yr old dalmatian from a no-kill > shelter.

Nice goin. > She spent 2 years in the shelter and naturally she has some > socialization issues to overcome.

Naaah not naturally, anyHOWE. Kenneling for a long time shouldn’t have problems associated with it if the facility was reasonable, and if they’re not killin dogs they couldn’t be as cruel as our dog lovers janet boss john richardson and mikey ball who gladly help dogs DIE. > My problem is I am not quite sure HOW to tackle these issues. . .

Don’t worry about it! I got all the answers and none of the calories. All ya got to do is agree to do anything Jerry sez and you get the aluminum funnel hat, membership card, secret password, secret decoder ring, secret fan club privilidges, secret FREE Wits’ End Dog Training Method manual, secret FREE Wits’ End Dog Training … read more »

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HOWEDY tracy,

> Bones wrote > Nope, can’t build the fence higher because it is chain > link and 500 feet ofit.  If you know the size of a Dane, > you will realize that they will trample almost any shrub. > I need to train my dog to not jump over or even on the > fence.  I don’t want to use an invisible fence because > Danes are really sensitive if you don’t know that already. > They may look tough but they take things to heart.  My > dogs are very spoiled too, (also have a very small shih > tzu) and we don’t use physical discipline on them and > I hate to say it but they get away with a lot because we > are not consistent with our training. > Which is obviously part of the problem.  But I don’t think > I know what to train him with anyway.

Neither do our dog lovers. Our experts haven’t got a clue except for to HURT the dog because THAT is their HUMAN NATURE. That’s HOWE COME they call Jerry’s 100% successfuls students liars, paid shills for Jerry, and animal fuckers. > Bones… > I don’t know

You don’t know squat, tracy. Your own dogs have OCD’s and one of them is being treated at the university behaviorist, and that’ll never work cause they’re treating the DOG’S behavior, not YOUR behavior towards the dog, the CAUSE of ALL your dog behavior problems. > quite what you expect from this group.

That’s REAL EZ tracy. The OP asked HOWE to teach his dog not to jump his fence. > You have a fence that your dog will jump over.

Like mine? Or like Misty’s? Misty don’t use no fence at all, and her dog won’t leave her yard, cause she LEARNED HOWE after you and your pals here LIED to her and told Misty not to believe Jerry and to killfile my information. That got her dog Peach DEAD. Now Misty KNOWS not to HURT her dog to train IT. > If you can’t raise it,

If the OP can’t get it up I suggest he’s got no choice but to train his dog. Besides, the fence as a barrier can make the dog aggressive, whereas the TRAINED dog will respect ITS boundaries and not be overstimulated by the fence so will be less aggressive and MOORE alert. Isn’t THAT a nice benefit for our protection dog lovers? > you CAN replace it with something

Called TRAINING. > higher that he can’t see through.

Or something IMPENETRABLE, like TRAINING, for example. > But that’s not cheap so you WON’T.

Training’s FREE and only takes a few minutes. > You CAN install an invisible fence,

That could make his dog aggressive and get IT DEAD, like "my golden retriever bit the ups driver," and "interested in hearing." > but you WON’T because you say your dog is sensitive.

Unlike yourself. You’re a liar and a dog abuser, tracy. > Maybe you don’t know about invisible fences,

Maybe you don’t know squat about training or you’d offer a METHOD to train the dog not to jump the fence. > but you don’t just put them up, put the collar on and let >  the dog go –

Right. You got to HURT the dog and let IT know YOU are the Thug HURTING IT. > you have to invest a little time in training your dog so he will learn

That is is YOU who is hurtin IT. > to avoid getting a correction, but…

You mean to avoid getting HURT, kinda like the DMZ? > You WON’T correct your dog.

You mean he’s not eager to HURT his dog, but you and blankman and tara.green2 and the rest of our lying dog abusing Thugs will TRY to convince the OP that shocking his dog is acceptable to SAVE IT from harm and to keep you from EMBARRASSMENT. That IS the EPITOME of The SYNDROME. > It is impossible to positively train a dog *not* to do something.

It’s near impossible for our dog lovers to train any dog to do any thing, cause they’re lying dog abusing Thugs, not expert dog trainers. Expert dog trainers don’t NEED to HURT. > You can train them to do something that is > contrary to the behavior you want to stop,

Oh? You gonna teach the dog to stand there and jerk off as our professor SCRUFF SHAKE dermer’s dog does when he gets stressed from being PUNISHED? > or you can condition them to avoid corrections

You mean condition the dog to avoid PAIN? You’re quite the genius! I didn’t know dogs don’t avoid PAIN at all costs…, tracy. > (consequences)

My science book tells me if you HURT a dog it will fear and hate and attack or withdraw from you, and perhaps develop OCD behaviors like excessive masturbation on your couch pillows as professor SCRUFF SHAKE’S little dog Maxi Pads does… or TURNS on them like your pal liea altshuller’s dog Cubbe or leah’s dog Madigan does to them. It’s all in the archives, People. > if they *do* the behavior you don’t want.

You mean if the dog does something that offends your human nature, and scares you or makes you feel out of control and scares and hurts your FEELINGS cause the dog EMBARRASSES you and TAUNTS your consience with fear and GUILT, the cause of your defective ego, inferiority complexes, and weak mind. That’s YOUR HUMAN NATURE compelling your to HURT and KILL and even to LIE about Jerry and call his 100% successful students liars, paid shills for Jerry and animal fuckers. > So, you CAN condition your dog not to jump,

By HURTING IT? > but you WON’T correct him.

But our dog lovers will TRY to CONvince the OP to HURT his dog as our pals enjoy. > So, since you WON’T correct him

You mean won’t HURT him… > and you WON’T raise or replace your fence,

There’s no need for the fence at all, if you ask my 100% successful students like Misty, for example. > your only options are to chain him up

Chaining the dog will make IT MOORE aggressive and maybe make IT MOORE aggressive on lead.  > or keep him in the house. To AVOID a behavior problem you can’t train? > Period.

No. You and your pals are Lying Dog Abusing Thugs, tracy. > If I were in your shoes,

You’d be HURTIN the dog and then wonderin HOWE COME the behaviorists at the university can’t unravel IT’S behavior problems. > I’d replace the fence.

Sure! That’s on account of you’re a idiot, a liar, and a dog abuser. > Chain link is not an ideal dog fence –

ANY fence may cause a barrier frustration syndrome in SOME dogs. > the dog can see through it which can excite his > prey/play drive and give him an enormous motivation to jump it.

And that’s different than just HEARING and SMELLING the critter on the other side… > Neighbor kids (and stupid adults for that matter) can tease > your dog through the fence and make him aggressive.

Right, but hurting the dog yourself is gonna make IT friendly like Sampson was after steve walker got through HURTIN his DEAD dog. > They can feed him things that might make him sick.

Another excellent point. Only takes a few minutes to poison proof a dog. > Also, since your dog can see out of it, he can become > territorial over not just the area he occupies, but also > the area he sees,

That doesn’t fit, dog abuser. The dog is likely to be MOORE aggressive if he can hear but not see. > which can contribute to aggression as the result of guarding behavior.

Yeah. That’s HOWE COME we don’t confine dogs to avoid behavior problems, we address the issues and then there’s no need to confine or worry or HURT the dog. > I wouldn’t want to be your insurance agent.

You wouldn’t be able to get licensed, they don’t tolerate  liars in the insurance business. > You have an accident waiting to happen.

That’s on account of nobody’s got no advice for our OP. > The only thing safe to do

Is HURT the dog… > (within your range of options) is > to either chain him or keep him in the house at all times.

That’s a flat out lie cause my students train their dogs in a few minutes not to jump fence or eat poison or molest other critters. > You chose the dog and you knew that a dane would get big.

Size doesn’t count. Take me for example. I’m only one little guy, and I’m stickin it to the entire industry 24/7 till I bring it to the world wide press and drop the hammer for the final death blow to our dog lovers and their vicious habits. > You either installed the fence or bought it with the house.

This isn’t a fence issue, this is a simple training problem like all the other training problems our dog lovers can’t handle without HURTING the goddamned dog and callin Jerry and his 100% successful students liars ONLY in order to DEFEND your alleged right to HURT and KILL your best dogs because you HURT them because of your defective fragile EGO, inferiority complexes and weak minds, and of course, for the MONEY. Like ed w of petloss dot CON, for example. He recommends koehler cause 10% of koehler trained dogs end up DEAD, like Robert Crim’s Wonder Dog Fritz. My methods would have turned aroun Fritz and woulda made IT work just like Robert’s Wits’ End Trained Dog. That’s HOWE COME our dog lovers TURNED on Robert, when he LEARNED he caused Fritz to go INSANE because of his traditional training methods. > One of the two came first and either your dog is too big > for the fence or the fence is too small for the dog.

So, you gonna HURT the dog? HOWE COME you don’t HURT the fence instead? HOWE COME you don’t HURT the neighbor’s dog like your pal lying lois did to her neighbors’ dog for coming on her property? > You have a responsibility as an owner to contain your dog properly.

You told him to HURT his dog or waste thousands of dollars in unnecessary construction to avoid a simple training problem my students would know HOWE to train after just a few minutes of study from their FREE copy of my FREE Wits’ End Dog Training Method manual available for FREE at http://www.doggydoright.com . You know, that’s the one our pals here like ed w of petloss dot CON likes to tell folks I’m SELLIN. > I hope you will do that.

I don’t think there’s any need to do nuthin moore than study your FREE copy of my FREE Wit’s End Dog Training Method manual available for FREE at http://www.doggydoright.com and invest the couple minutes it’ll take to properly handle and … read more »

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Hello Fans, I think this bears repeating…

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– Hide quoted text — Show quoted text ->It’s bad netiquette to edit other people’s messages. >   No it’s not.  Not when you’re just snipping errata.  It’s bad > netiquette to quote 200 lines of message when you’re only adding two > lines. > Shame >on you. >   "Hello, Pot?  This is the kettle speaking…" > Mike Graham                  | Fighting the good fight against porosity, > <http://www.metalmangler.com>| try to correct the spelling of ‘weldor’.

IDIOT. All dog behavior problems are caused by ineffective and inappropriate handling and training methods as taught by our "experts" and university behaviorists. "Traditional training" is responsible for ALL dog behavior problems. Study my FREE manual and you’ll know moore than ALL of our "expert" trainers put together and save your hard earned dough. Jerry. "Many People Have Problems Getting The Pinch Right, Either They Do Not Pinch Enough, Or They Have A Very Stoic Dog. Some Dogs Will Collapse Into A Heap. About The Ear Pinch: You Must Keep The Pressure Up" sindy "don’t let the dog SCREAM" mooreon. "Warning: Sometimes The Corrections Will Seem Quite Harsh And  Cause You To Cringe. This Is A Normal Reaction The First Few  Times It Happens, But You’ll Get Over It." mike duforth, author:  "Courteous Canine." "I have heard advice stating that you should pre-load your dog for Bitter Apple for it to work as efficiently as possible. What  does this mean? When you bring home the Bitter Apple for the first time, spray one squirt directly into the dog’s mouth and walk away. The dog won’t be too thrilled with this but just ignore him and continue your normal behavior."   –Mike Dufort     author of the zero selling book     "Courteous Canines" Yeah. When I preload my dog’s mouth with bitter apple, suppose I don’t get used to being stupid and cruel, mikey? Then HOWE do I train my dog if I can’t HURT it?   "Nope. That "beating dogs with sticks" things is   something you twisted out of context, because you   are full of bizarro manure." > > Jerome Bigge writes: > > I do know that hitting, hurting your dog will often make the > > dog either aggressive or a fear biter, neither of which we

 > > > want to do. > And neither does anyone else, Jerome.  No matter what Jerry Howe > states. > –Matt.  Rocky’s a Dog. > You’re scary Marilyn. > Marilyn must be quite a disturbed individual.  I feel very sorry > for her and her family. > BUT, giving you the benefit of the doubt,  please provide a quote > (an original quote, not from one of Jerry  Howe’s heavily edited > diatribes) that shows a regular poster promoting > or using an abusive form of training. > –Matt.  Rocky’s a Dog.

>Di, > I don’t believe you mentioned a particular kind of training. If you > are interested in training retrieval behavior than do consider > our own Amy Dahl’s: > The 10-Minute Retriever : How to Make a Well-Mannered, Obedient and > Enthusiastic Gun Dog in 10 Minutes a Day > by John I. Dahl, Amy Dahl

You failed to mention your pals the dahls are proven liars and dog abusers, professor "SCRUFF SHAKE:"  "I Would Never Advise Anyone To Slap A Dog I Do Not Believe There  Is A Single Circumstance Ever, Where Slapping A Dog Is Anything  But Destructive," "I don’t see why anyone would want to choke or  beat a dog, or how any trainer could possibly get a good working dog by  making them unhapper, fearful, cowering, etc." sez amy lying frosty dahl  who continues: > just $17.95 at Amazon.com. > (Also, it is best to killfile posts from the few regulars here who > are either ill-tempered, ill-mannered, or just plain ill.) > –Marshall

amy lying frosty dahl continues:  "On the other extreme, the really hard dogs we have trained  require much more frequent and heavy application of  pressure (PAIN j.h.) to get the job done,  This is continued resistance to your increasing authority, and the  job is not done until it is overcome  Get A 30"- 40" Stick.You can have a helper wield the stick, or do it  yourself. Tougher,  less tractable dogs may require you to progress to  striking them more sharply  Try pinching the ear between the metal casing and the collar,  even the  buckle on the collar. Persist! Eventually, the dog will give in  but will squeal, thrash around, and direct their efforts to escaping the  ear pinch  You can press the dog’s ear with a shotshell instead of your thumb  even get a studded collar and pinch the ear against that  Make the dog’s need to stop the pinching so urgent that resisting  your will fades in importance.  CHUCK IT Under ITS Chin With That Ever Ready Right Hand,  As it catches on, try using the stick and no ear pinch. When the  dog is digging out to beat the stick and seems totally reliable without  any ear pinch, you are finished  This is continued resistance to your increasing authority,  and the job is not done until it is overcome" If the dog drops it, chuck  it solidly under the chin, say "No! Hold!"  (stay on the ear until it does) (perhaps because the ear is getting  tender, or the dog has decided it isn’t worth it)" lying frosty dahl.  "Chin cuff absolutely does not mean slap," professora gingold. writes: > -snip headers etc. > Yes. you’re right, I really should find the book.. they don’t have these > books in the local pet stores I frequent, where do you find Koehler? >I got a nice large print copy from Amazon.com >Richard

  Please try Powell’s Books in Portland Oregon. Their URL is:                     http://www.powells.com/   Unlike Amazon.com, Powell’s keeps both new and used books on   its shelves. You can order books via e-email.                      Koehler Method Of Dog Training                      by Koehler, W R                      Published by HOWELL BOOK HOUSE (0876056575, Here’s some quotes and some methods right outta your koehler book professor "SCRUFF SHAKE:" "The Koehler Method of Dog Training" Howell Book House," 1996 William Koehler BARKING, WHINING, HOWLING, YODELING, SCREAMING, AND WAILING The fact that you realize you have such a problem makes it certain you have "reproved" the dog often enough to let him know you were against his sound effects, even though your reproving didn’t quiet them, so we’ll bypass the loudly clapped hands, the cup of water in his face, and the "shame-shames" and start with something more emphatic. We’ll begin with the easiest kind of vocalist to correct: the one that charges gates, fences, doors, and windows, barking furiously at familiar or imaginary people and objects. A few clusters of BBs from a good slingshot, in conjunction with the light line and plenty of temptations, will cause such a dog to use his mind rather than his mouth. But you won’t make the permanent impression unless you supply dozens of opportunities for him to exercise the control he thus acquires. Make sure these opportunities don’t always come at the same time of the day, else he may learn to observe the "quiet hour" and pursue his old routines at other times. With the help of the light line, it will be easy to follow the BBs with a long down to make sure he gets the most from his lesson. As was mentioned before, eliminating the senseless barking will not lessen the dog’s value as a  watchdog but rather, as he grows more discriminating, increase it. The dog who vocalizes in bratty protest or lonesomeness because you’re gone constitutes a different problem. If it is impractical for someone to stay with him constantly (there are owners who cater to neurosis by employing dog sitters), you’ll have to heed the neighbors and the law and quiet the dog. This calls for a little ingenuity as well as a heavy hand. Attach a line to your dog’s collar, so your corrective effort doesn’t turn into a footrace around the house until you reach a stalemate under the bed. This use of the line in the correction will also serve to establish it as a reminder to be quiet as the dog drags it around when you’re not present. Next, equip yourself with a man’s leather belt or a strap heavy enough to give your particular dog a good tanning. Yup-we’re going to strike him. Real hard. Remember, you’re dealing with a dog who knows he should be quiet and neighbors who have legal rights to see that he does. Now leave, and let your fading footsteps tell the dog of your going. When you’ve walked to a point where he’ll think you’re gone but where you could hear any noises he might make, stop and listen. If you find a comfortable waiting place on a nearby porch, be careful not to talk or laugh. Tests show a dog’s hearing to be many times as sharp as yours. When the noise comes, instead of trying to sneak up to the door so you can barge in while he’s still barking, which is generally impossible, respond to his first sound with an emphatic bellow of "out," and keep on bellowing as you charge back to his area. Thunder through the door or gate, snatch up the belt that you’ve conveniently placed, and descend on him. He’ll have no chance to dodge if you grab the line  and reel him in until his front feet are raised off the floor or, if he’s a big dog, until you’ve snubbed him up with a hitch on something. While he’s held in close, lay the strap vigorously against his thighs. Keep pouring it on him until he thinks it’s the bitter end. A real … read more »

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>Mr. Gregory, >I will tell you one *Moore* time. Do NOT edit my messages!! > [snip] > You’ve been headed for my killfile for a long time, but everytime I > start to plonk you, you go and say really hilarious stuff like this. > [and yet another flagrant snip]

Try laughin at this:      Elaine McClung, President of Pet Rescue, Animal Commissioner      Brevard Co FL, writes:      Hi Jerry,      I received email from Mark Shaw on 10/6 which I just read today.      Sorry I didn’t have time to get to it sooner. We have had a lot      going on in our area concerning animals. We formed a new Task      Force to address spay/neuter, pet overpopulation and animal      abuse. I needed to do a lot of research before the first meeting and      time was just not available for anything else.      Anyway the letter went on to say that we are in collusion, I tried      to defraud him, and have sent none of the materials that he has      asked for although he has yet to furnish the P. O. Box number that      he wanted them sent to in the first place. He goes on to state that      I am no longer eligible for the "fictions reward." All of this is in      answer to postings that prove I was "sharing" his email with you      which in his opinion was a breach of good manners. His email only      had terms and conditions of the reward which I would consider      "public information."      Be that as it may, I would like to state that you had my permission      to post any email I have sent you regarding DDR including this      email.      I’m very sorry that you have to put up with this type of situation      from someone that obviously never intended to make good on his      reward offer in the first place.      I had a call from a friend of mine with a very aggressive cat. I      have loaned her my DDR for a few weeks to see if it will calm JR      down. I will let you know the results. She goes to the same holistic      vet that I go to and he is also interested.      In case Mark does post to the list again I would like to say that I      do very much believe that DDR will help JR as I know it has helped      my dogs and cats. I have entirely too much to do, to worry about his      opinions or reward.      The only reason I was willing to apply for the reward was on your      behalf as I do think your product is a valuable tool in helping with      aggression and other behavior problems.      I am in Feral Cat Network (we spay and neuter approximately 100      feral cats a month), I am also a member of a local AKC dog      obedience club, member of a local AKC agility club, president of      Pet Rescue, board member of the Alliance for Care and Welfare of      Animals (on the board are: county commissioner, vet. rep., rep. from      AKC dog club, CFA cat club, assistant County manager, head of      animal control, director of two different shelters, etc.) and Space      Coast Feline Network http://www.spacecoastfelinenetwork.com      I listed these not to be on an ego trip but to let Mark know that I      am involved with animals and have very little time to play games      with him also I would not recommend your product if I did not      believe in it.      Please feel free to post this email as it has no copyright on it as      did Mark Shaw’s last email to me.      Take care Jerry and don’t let the Mark’s of the world get you down.      Elaine      Thank you, Elaine. I have been trying to educate the mark’s of this      world, with some occasional successes. I guess that’s variable      reinforcement?      Yours, Jerry.

> I don’t now whether Peach is dead or alive. I do know she’s not here > with us. I really can’t blame anyone here for her loss. I’m the one > who ignored your advice. I did it because of how you write/wrote. I > was unwilling to accept the idea that my using a shock collar could have > any bearing on Peach not wanting to stay home. Up until I started using > it my main concern had been keeping my dogs in their own yard. Once I > started using the e-fence…well, then my concern became how to keep > them from running off for days on end. > I lost valuable training time becoming embroiled in the anti-shock > debate and the "Jerry sux" tirades. > I lost one dog but I have the bestest dog in the world now <g> A Wits > End Trained dog, one who is completely housetrained, doesn’t chew up > stuff, stays in the yard, and doesn’t bark all the time. IOW a great > companion and friend. > Thanks Jerry!

My 100% successful student Robert Crim used to be our Gang’s most pupular poster, writing entertaining stories about his Wonder Dog Fritz… a beautiful critter. Then he killed IT. Then I slapped him upside his head, and Robert was sensitive and intelligent enough to FIGURE IT OUT and now he has Rollie, a Wits’ End Trained Dog. So our dog lovers killfiled him: – Hide quoted text — Show quoted text -> Hey, do like me, and killfile Jerry. > He has millions of people aleady reading his posts and > watching him extract his soggy  foot out of his mouth! > Out of these MILLIONS, I’ve only seen 2 naive childs > come forward and actually believe in his training manual. > Robert Crim writes: > I assume that I and my wife are those two naive childs since > I freely admit to having read and, I hope, understood enough > of the manual and it’s counterparts by John Fisher and the > posts of Marilyn Rammell to believe and use it.  This naive > child would like to say thank you to both Jerry and Marilyn for > putting up with a constant barrage of really infantile crap at > the hands of supposedly adult dog lovers. > The other naive child (LSW) has to put up with the nagging > idea that if people like them had been posting earlier, maybe > we would not have had to hold the head of a really > magnificent animal in our arms while he was given the > needle and having to hug him and wait until he gasped > his last gasp. > To my mind, "naive" is believing you can terrorize a dog into > good behavior.  Naive is believing that people that hide > behind fake names are more honest than people that use > their real names.  Naive is thinking that dilettante dog > breeders and amateur "trainers" like Joey (lyingdogDUMMY, > j.h.) are the equal or better than those that have studied and > lived by their craft for decades. > "Stupid" is believing that people do not see kindergarten > level insults for what they are.   Really stupid is believing that > people like Jerry Howe and Marilyn Rammell are going to > just go away because you people act like fools.  Why do you > act like fools?  I really have no idea, and I don’t really care. > admit to buying and having success with his little black > box. > I think I’m going to get one myself for Father’s day and take > it down to the Animal Shelter for their use and testing.  You > would never believe the results, so you’ll never know. > Anyone by now that doesn’t see a scam man coming by > Jerry’s posts deserves to get what is sure to be coming to > him! LOL! > I don’t see a "scam man", so I guess I and Longsuffering > Wife and Rollei will just have to get what we deserve, eh? > As Joey (Dogman) says, "poor Rollei."…….right. >Terri > Yes it was, and that is sad. > Robert, Longsuffering Wife and Rollei (do I get to listen to the box > first?)

– Hide quoted text — Show quoted text -> We just installed a PetSafe brand fence this Spring. > Two dogs, two collars We now have one dog and no > collars. > Peach and Zelda would run thru the fence, not want to > come back in the yard and would run for days. The > last time, Peach didn’t come back home. > I used the Wit’s End Training Manual to learn how to > train my dog. She is now border trained. A few > minutes each day reinforces her desire to stay in the > yard. > She no longer runs out into the road, I can stop her > from chasing cats and she no longer cringes when we > walk around the yard. > I can not say loud or long enough how much I hate the > e-fence and its collars. If you can’t get a regular fence > then you need to train your dog. I will never rely on an > electronic collar to keep my dog in our yard again. > The price was too high:-( > ~misty

    > Jerry sent me the DDR when I mentioned my cockatoo was stressed out by     > my then just learning to walk baby.     > Buddy was screaming day and night..lunging at Joey whenever he crawled     > up to Buddy’s cage and nipping the baby ( if Buddy wanted to his beak     > is powerful enough to sever an adult’s finger in one snap!)     > At first we noticed nothing… after a few days ..nothing..nothing     > except quiet :-)     > That’s not to say Buddy never screams.. heh.. he’a a ‘Too.. but the     > late night scream-a-thons ended.      > He also tolerates Joey playing in his water dish <sigh> just what I      > want…2 splashers! Buddy loves to bathe in his water until there’s      > more water on the floor and walls than in his dish :-)      > Twice now Buddy has had marathon scream-a-thons… for a few days      > each time. It takes that long for me to realize the DDR is unplugged :-O      > Once cos DH did some maintenance and forgot to plug it back in ( of      > course he remembered to plug the washing machine back in ;-P)      > The second time I had unplugged it while sweeping…and forgot to      > plug it back in…      > We sure enjoy him being such a good

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You’ve been reported to your provider. – Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – > RollingOTFLMAO!!! > Hilarious! > >I will tell you one *Moore* time. Do NOT edit my messages!! > >They are my property and I will not have you running around > >willfully deleting my intellectual property and depriving my > >Global fan base the opportunity to view the best dogumentary > >dogudrama and entertraining on the planet. >   Wait a minute… do you honestly believe that the original message > disappears when someone posts a reply to it?  Geez, buddy, you are > truly ignorant of usenet function. >   And you spelled ‘more’ wrong. >   Try calling your ISP and explaining your predicament.  I’d love to > hear if they manage not to laugh until after they hang up! > Mike Graham                  | Fighting the good fight against porosity, > <http://www.metalmangler.com>| try to correct the spelling of ‘weldor’.

– this is michael reporting live… http://dogtv.com with guest star Kwame Brown http://dogtv.com/kwame.jpg WORLD PREMIERE From homeless to World Famous Kwame Brown http://dogtv.com/kwame.rm Times they are a changing people, and so is the Muzzle. And what my colleague Jerry Howe and I have set in motion is an unopposable tidal wave of information, imagery and motion pictures which is going to affect every trainer, every vet, every behaviorist and every dime store dog "expert" in America and the world at large as we know it. Whether they like it or not. WELCOME TO THE NEW MUZZLE OF DOG TRAINING this is your ceo speaking…

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You’ve been reported to your provider. – Hide quoted text — Show quoted text ->I will tell you one *Moore* time. Do NOT edit my messages!! >They are my property and I will not have you running around >willfully deleting my intellectual property and depriving my >Global fan base the opportunity to view the best dogumentary >dogudrama and entertraining on the planet. >   Wait a minute… do you honestly believe that the original message > disappears when someone posts a reply to it?  Geez, buddy, you are > truly ignorant of usenet function. >   And you spelled ‘more’ wrong. >   Try calling your ISP and explaining your predicament.  I’d love to > hear if they manage not to laugh until after they hang up! > Mike Graham                  | Fighting the good fight against porosity, > <http://www.metalmangler.com>| try to correct the spelling of ‘weldor’.

– this is michael reporting live… http://dogtv.com with guest star Kwame Brown http://dogtv.com/kwame.jpg WORLD PREMIERE From homeless to World Famous Kwame Brown http://dogtv.com/kwame.rm Times they are a changing people, and so is the Muzzle. And what my colleague Jerry Howe and I have set in motion is an unopposable tidal wave of information, imagery and motion pictures which is going to affect every trainer, every vet, every behaviorist and every dime store dog "expert" in America and the world at large as we know it. Whether they like it or not. WELCOME TO THE NEW MUZZLE OF DOG TRAINING this is your ceo speaking…

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> You’ve been reported to your provider.

[snip] Hey, that’s totally unfair!  You file complaints on Mike and Q but leave me out?!  I deserve one.  I *earned* it, dammit! <pout>

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>Mr. Gregory, >I will tell you one *Moore* time. Do NOT edit my messages!!

[snip] You’ve been headed for my killfile for a long time, but everytime I start to plonk you, you go and say really hilarious stuff like this. [and yet another flagrant snip]

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RollingOTFLMAO!!! Hilarious! – Hide quoted text — Show quoted text ->I will tell you one *Moore* time. Do NOT edit my messages!! >They are my property and I will not have you running around >willfully deleting my intellectual property and depriving my >Global fan base the opportunity to view the best dogumentary >dogudrama and entertraining on the planet. >   Wait a minute… do you honestly believe that the original message > disappears when someone posts a reply to it?  Geez, buddy, you are > truly ignorant of usenet function. >   And you spelled ‘more’ wrong. >   Try calling your ISP and explaining your predicament.  I’d love to > hear if they manage not to laugh until after they hang up! > Mike Graham                  | Fighting the good fight against porosity, > <http://www.metalmangler.com>| try to correct the spelling of ‘weldor’.

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>I will tell you one *Moore* time. Do NOT edit my messages!! >They are my property and I will not have you running around >willfully deleting my intellectual property and depriving my >Global fan base the opportunity to view the best dogumentary >dogudrama and entertraining on the planet.

  Wait a minute… do you honestly believe that the original message disappears when someone posts a reply to it?  Geez, buddy, you are truly ignorant of usenet function.   And you spelled ‘more’ wrong.   Try calling your ISP and explaining your predicament.  I’d love to hear if they manage not to laugh until after they hang up! Mike Graham                  | Fighting the good fight against porosity, <http://www.metalmangler.com>| try to correct the spelling of ‘weldor’.

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> >It’s bad netiquette to edit other people’s messages. Shame >on you. > You are so clueless it’s mind boggling.  And for a spammer to lecture > on netiquette and then re-post his entire spam in the same message… > well, that’s just priceless.

Mr. Gregory, I will tell you one *Moore* time. Do NOT edit my messages!! They are my property and I will not have you running around willfully deleting my intellectual property and depriving my Global fan base the opportunity to view the best dogumentary dogudrama and entertraining on the planet. Message restored to original state. Followups set to appropriate groups. Crossposting fixed. Hello CAS, why yes, why yes I do. I’m in the process of redeveloping everything so all my videos are MOORE accessible But for the time being, here’s a few interesting samples Hello fans, over the past 3 years, I, as the ceo of this operation have been practicing and building and refining and releasing video clips steadily. At dogtv.com networks, we now have the technology and the skill to produce Broadcast TV quality material. Whether my finished product ends up on PBS, HBO or released as videos for sale on my websites: http://dogtv.com http://dogcd.com http://dogdvd.com http://changethemuzzle.com or one or Moore of the above, remains to be seen, but our studios are now equipped with state of the art all digital television production equipment and our goal, as always to provide the best dogumentary, dogudrama and dog entertraining content on the planet. And now, for a few samples from the past four years: "WHEN HOPE ATTACKS" This video is 10mb MPEG and it features: Hope attacking the stupid cameraman Hope attacking Chazz Hope attacking young boys The Stupid Cameraman laughing at Hope attacking young boys Callie stopping Hope from attacking Chazz Callie, Chazz and Hope Racing WORLD PREMIERE from dogtv.com networks "When Hope Attacks" direct link http://dogtv.com/hope_attacks.mpg "No Bones A Bite it"  multimedia tutorial covering  bones of contention  possession aggression  teaching the "watch" command  2:12  12 mb  MPEG1  http://dogdvd.com/NoBite.mpg "MIND IN A CAGE" A look at the phenomenon of putting man’s best friend in a cage. Is this *REALLY* good for dogs? A unique view from inside the cage of a puppy named Chazz in 1996 http://dogtv.com/cage.rm  (4mb RealVideo) (the opinions expressed in this video do not necessarily reflect the views of dogtv.com networks, it’s dogs, cats, employees or Venture Capital Funders) MICHAEL v MATTY Matthew Margolis comes from a school/generation of dog trainers who use fear to drum up business.  Perhaps this approach was taught by the leader of that school/generation, good ol’ Capn’ Haggerty?  Somebody taught Matty that in order to be a successful dog trainer, you have to do things like Call yourself the "National" Dog Training Center to sound important, and yeah, to make people really afraid of what will happen if they don’t hire you to train their dog. See Michael "dog game superstar" Patton confront "Uncle" Matty Margolis in a cross continental Television discussion about dangerous dogs and dog biting, while a ferocious and deadly pit bull puppy snoozes menacingly under the desk. WORLD PREMIERE Michael vs Matty http://dogtv.com/michael_matty.rm 10mb RealVideo CODY VS CALLIE Dogs are more likely to bite or forget their manners when there is competition for food. The "Bite This" methodology is all about seeking out situations like this, instead of avoiding them. Don’t avoid the issue (aggression) or it could come back to bite you No Bite With Competition http://dogtv.com/cody_callie.mpg  (1:50 | 10mb | MPEG) — this is a special investigative report from dogtv.com networks http://dogtv.com The Real Michael a special investigative report from dogtv.com networks dogtv.com caught up with the man who proclaimed in 1997 that he would single handedly Change the Muzzle of dog training. This never before seen footage from 1998 provides a revealing insight into the most controversial figure in the Dog Game. This guy recently (may 2001) appeared on a show with PBS personality "Uncle Matty" Margolis and said Matty was an "enemy of dogs" on live television. How could Uncle Matty be an enemy of dogs? Michael also says he’s going to do with no funding what pets.com couldn’t do with hundreds of millions. C’mon, Gimmie a Break! Is this Michael guy for real, or just another con artist trying to pull the wool over our eyes? You decide. http://dogtv.com/RealMichael.rm  (3.4mb RealVideo) (the opinions expressed in this video do not necessarily reflect the views of dogtv.com networks, it’s dogs, cats, employees or Venture Capital Funders) — this is a special investigative report from dogtv.com networks http://dogtv.com And, of course, there’s MOORE where that came from, including this clip starring the cameraman vs the dangerous chow HOWE to greet a "dangerous" dog http://dogtv.com/dangerous_chow.rm And, of course, Callie Stealing the Show at the 1998 APDT convention http://dogtv.com/CallieStealsShow2.rm and, of course, Michael’s famous jumpshot http://dogtv.com/michael_jumpshot.rm Look forward to HBO/PBS/MTV quality dogumentary dogudrama and entertraining, coming in the future from dogtv.com networks. >Please do not do this again, or I will contact your >provider: > lol… Go right ahead, nitwit.  I snipped your spam again to make it > easy for you.

– this is michael reporting live… http://dogtv.com with guest star Kwame Brown http://dogtv.com/kwame.jpg WORLD PREMIERE From homeless to World Famous Kwame Brown http://dogtv.com/kwame.rm Times they are a changing people, and so is the Muzzle. And what my colleague Jerry Howe and I have set in motion is an unopposable tidal wave of information, imagery and motion pictures which is going to affect every trainer, every vet, every behaviorist and every dime store dog "expert" in America and the world at large as we know it. Whether they like it or not. WELCOME TO THE NEW MUZZLE OF DOG TRAINING this is your ceo speaking…

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>It’s bad netiquette to edit other people’s messages.

  No it’s not.  Not when you’re just snipping errata.  It’s bad netiquette to quote 200 lines of message when you’re only adding two lines.   > Shame >on you.

  "Hello, Pot?  This is the kettle speaking…" Mike Graham                  | Fighting the good fight against porosity, <http://www.metalmangler.com>| try to correct the spelling of ‘weldor’.

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>It’s bad netiquette to edit other people’s messages. Shame >on you.

You are so clueless it’s mind boggling.  And for a spammer to lecture on netiquette and then re-post his entire spam in the same message… well, that’s just priceless.   >Please do not do this again, or I will contact your >provider:

lol… Go right ahead, nitwit.  I snipped your spam again to make it easy for you.  

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<yet more spam>

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spam will kill you…

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> <yet more spam>

Hello Carey Gregory, It’s bad netiquette to edit other people’s messages. Shame on you. Message restored, followups set to appropriate groups. Please do not do this again, or I will contact your provider: Hello CAS, why yes, why yes I do. I’m in the process of redeveloping everything so all my videos are MOORE accessible But for the time being, here’s a few interesting samples Hello fans, over the past 3 years, I, as the ceo of this operation have been practicing and building and refining and releasing video clips steadily. At dogtv.com networks, we now have the technology and the skill to produce Broadcast TV quality material. Whether my finished product ends up on PBS, HBO or released as videos for sale on my websites: http://dogtv.com http://dogcd.com http://dogdvd.com http://changethemuzzle.com or one or Moore of the above, remains to be seen, but our studios are now equipped with state of the art all digital television production equipment and our goal, as always to provide the best dogumentary, dogudrama and dog entertraining content on the planet. And now, for a few samples from the past four years: "WHEN HOPE ATTACKS" This video is 10mb MPEG and it features: Hope attacking the stupid cameraman Hope attacking Chazz Hope attacking young boys The Stupid Cameraman laughing at Hope attacking young boys Callie stopping Hope from attacking Chazz Callie, Chazz and Hope Racing WORLD PREMIERE from dogtv.com networks "When Hope Attacks" direct link http://dogtv.com/hope_attacks.mpg "No Bones A Bite it"  multimedia tutorial covering  bones of contention  possession aggression  teaching the "watch" command  2:12  12 mb  MPEG1  http://dogdvd.com/NoBite.mpg "MIND IN A CAGE" A look at the phenomenon of putting man’s best friend in a cage. Is this *REALLY* good for dogs? A unique view from inside the cage of a puppy named Chazz in 1996 http://dogtv.com/cage.rm  (4mb RealVideo) (the opinions expressed in this video do not necessarily reflect the views of dogtv.com networks, it’s dogs, cats, employees or Venture Capital Funders) MICHAEL v MATTY Matthew Margolis comes from a school/generation of dog trainers who use fear to drum up business.  Perhaps this approach was taught by the leader of that school/generation, good ol’ Capn’ Haggerty?  Somebody taught Matty that in order to be a successful dog trainer, you have to do things like Call yourself the "National" Dog Training Center to sound important, and yeah, to make people really afraid of what will happen if they don’t hire you to train their dog. See Michael "dog game superstar" Patton confront "Uncle" Matty Margolis in a cross continental Television discussion about dangerous dogs and dog biting, while a ferocious and deadly pit bull puppy snoozes menacingly under the desk. WORLD PREMIERE Michael vs Matty http://dogtv.com/michael_matty.rm 10mb RealVideo CODY VS CALLIE Dogs are more likely to bite or forget their manners when there is competition for food. The "Bite This" methodology is all about seeking out situations like this, instead of avoiding them. Don’t avoid the issue (aggression) or it could come back to bite you No Bite With Competition http://dogtv.com/cody_callie.mpg  (1:50 | 10mb | MPEG) — this is a special investigative report from dogtv.com networks http://dogtv.com The Real Michael a special investigative report from dogtv.com networks dogtv.com caught up with the man who proclaimed in 1997 that he would single handedly Change the Muzzle of dog training. This never before seen footage from 1998 provides a revealing insight into the most controversial figure in the Dog Game. This guy recently (may 2001) appeared on a show with PBS personality "Uncle Matty" Margolis and said Matty was an "enemy of dogs" on live television. How could Uncle Matty be an enemy of dogs? Michael also says he’s going to do with no funding what pets.com couldn’t do with hundreds of millions. C’mon, Gimmie a Break! Is this Michael guy for real, or just another con artist trying to pull the wool over our eyes? You decide. http://dogtv.com/RealMichael.rm  (3.4mb RealVideo) (the opinions expressed in this video do not necessarily reflect the views of dogtv.com networks, it’s dogs, cats, employees or Venture Capital Funders) — this is a special investigative report from dogtv.com networks http://dogtv.com And, of course, there’s MOORE where that came from, including this clip starring the cameraman vs the dangerous chow HOWE to greet a "dangerous" dog http://dogtv.com/dangerous_chow.rm And, of course, Callie Stealing the Show at the 1998 APDT convention http://dogtv.com/CallieStealsShow2.rm and, of course, Michael’s famous jumpshot http://dogtv.com/michael_jumpshot.rm Look forward to HBO/PBS/MTV quality dogumentary dogudrama and entertraining, coming in the future from dogtv.com networks. this is michael reporting live… http://dogtv.com — this is michael reporting live… http://dogtv.com with guest star Kwame Brown http://dogtv.com/kwame.jpg WORLD PREMIERE From homeless to World Famous Kwame Brown http://dogtv.com/kwame.rm Times they are a changing people, and so is the Muzzle. And what my colleague Jerry Howe and I have set in motion is an unopposable tidal wave of information, imagery and motion pictures which is going to affect every trainer, every vet, every behaviorist and every dime store dog "expert" in America and the world at large as we know it. Whether they like it or not. WELCOME TO THE NEW MUZZLE OF DOG TRAINING this is your ceo speaking…

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> I agree with this.  Having so many dogs in our household, I have no dought > that dogs pick  up a lot of our own negatity.  So you have any morel links > to your videos?

Hello CAS, why yes, why yes I do. I’m in the process of redeveloping everything so all my videos are MOORE accessible But for the time being, here’s a few interesting samples Hello fans, over the past 3 years, I, as the ceo of this operation have been practicing and building and refining and releasing video clips steadily. At dogtv.com networks, we now have the technology and the skill to produce Broadcast TV quality material. Whether my finished product ends up on PBS, HBO or released as videos for sale on my websites: http://dogtv.com http://dogcd.com http://dogdvd.com http://changethemuzzle.com or one or Moore of the above, remains to be seen, but our studios are now equipped with state of the art all digital television production equipment and our goal, as always to provide the best dogumentary, dogudrama and dog entertraining content on the planet. And now, for a few samples from the past four years: "WHEN HOPE ATTACKS" This video is 10mb MPEG and it features: Hope attacking the stupid cameraman Hope attacking Chazz Hope attacking young boys The Stupid Cameraman laughing at Hope attacking young boys Callie stopping Hope from attacking Chazz Callie, Chazz and Hope Racing WORLD PREMIERE from dogtv.com networks "When Hope Attacks" direct link http://dogtv.com/hope_attacks.mpg "No Bones A Bite it"  multimedia tutorial covering  bones of contention  possession aggression  teaching the "watch" command  2:12  12 mb  MPEG1  http://dogdvd.com/NoBite.mpg "MIND IN A CAGE" A look at the phenomenon of putting man’s best friend in a cage. Is this *REALLY* good for dogs? A unique view from inside the cage of a puppy named Chazz in 1996 http://dogtv.com/cage.rm  (4mb RealVideo) (the opinions expressed in this video do not necessarily reflect the views of dogtv.com networks, it’s dogs, cats, employees or Venture Capital Funders) MICHAEL v MATTY Matthew Margolis comes from a school/generation of dog trainers who use fear to drum up business.  Perhaps this approach was taught by the leader of that school/generation, good ol’ Capn’ Haggerty?  Somebody taught Matty that in order to be a successful dog trainer, you have to do things like Call yourself the "National" Dog Training Center to sound important, and yeah, to make people really afraid of what will happen if they don’t hire you to train their dog. See Michael "dog game superstar" Patton confront "Uncle" Matty Margolis in a cross continental Television discussion about dangerous dogs and dog biting, while a ferocious and deadly pit bull puppy snoozes menacingly under the desk. WORLD PREMIERE Michael vs Matty http://dogtv.com/michael_matty.rm 10mb RealVideo CODY VS CALLIE Dogs are more likely to bite or forget their manners when there is competition for food. The "Bite This" methodology is all about seeking out situations like this, instead of avoiding them. Don’t avoid the issue (aggression) or it could come back to bite you No Bite With Competition http://dogtv.com/cody_callie.mpg  (1:50 | 10mb | MPEG) — this is a special investigative report from dogtv.com networks http://dogtv.com The Real Michael a special investigative report from dogtv.com networks dogtv.com caught up with the man who proclaimed in 1997 that he would single handedly Change the Muzzle of dog training. This never before seen footage from 1998 provides a revealing insight into the most controversial figure in the Dog Game. This guy recently (may 2001) appeared on a show with PBS personality "Uncle Matty" Margolis and said Matty was an "enemy of dogs" on live television. How could Uncle Matty be an enemy of dogs? Michael also says he’s going to do with no funding what pets.com couldn’t do with hundreds of millions. C’mon, Gimmie a Break! Is this Michael guy for real, or just another con artist trying to pull the wool over our eyes? You decide. http://dogtv.com/RealMichael.rm  (3.4mb RealVideo) (the opinions expressed in this video do not necessarily reflect the views of dogtv.com networks, it’s dogs, cats, employees or Venture Capital Funders) — this is a special investigative report from dogtv.com networks http://dogtv.com And, of course, there’s MOORE where that came from, including this clip starring the cameraman vs the dangerous chow HOWE to greet a "dangerous" dog http://dogtv.com/dangerous_chow.rm And, of course, Callie Stealing the Show at the 1998 APDT convention http://dogtv.com/CallieStealsShow2.rm and, of course, Michael’s famous jumpshot http://dogtv.com/michael_jumpshot.rm Look forward to HBO/PBS/MTV quality dogumentary dogudrama and entertraining, coming in the future from dogtv.com networks. this is michael reporting live… http://dogtv.com — this is michael reporting live… http://dogtv.com with guest star Kwame Brown http://dogtv.com/kwame.jpg WORLD PREMIERE From homeless to World Famous Kwame Brown http://dogtv.com/kwame.rm Times they are a changing people, and so is the Muzzle. And what my colleague Jerry Howe and I have set in motion is an unopposable tidal wave of information, imagery and motion pictures which is going to affect every trainer, every vet, every behaviorist and every dime store dog "expert" in America and the world at large as we know it. Whether they like it or not. WELCOME TO THE NEW MUZZLE OF DOG TRAINING this is your ceo speaking…

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Brag brag Oso is a wonderful dog

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mi perro es muy travieso y no se que hace – Hide quoted text — Show quoted text -> Isn’t that the dog that you FINALLY taught to heel using my methods a couple > months ago, Master Of Deception blankman??? Or is that the one you beat in > the face with your shepherd’s crook? > Know what? I lost the instruction for the knitted cover up for the > pronged spiked pinch choke collar so you can train your dog on > show grounds illegally. > Did you ever get that bill paid at the vets for your doggy day > care cause your dogs were out of control and you couldn’t > trust them in your HOWES unless you was there to hurt > them for being out of control? > Now get the heel outta here. Jerry. > Ok, so I’m being a bit silly tonight but I’m also sharing my pleasure in > the dogs that a part of my life.  Oso takes on the tasks that require the > highest in skill level but only the most modest levels of learning.  He is > a therapy dog and he is a very good one.  He didn’t need much help in > learning basic manners, and his instincts are excellent in deciding how to > approach each individual.  The shy and the fearful he approaches carefully > and quietly, head averted, mouth closed.  Dog lovers he approaches boldy, > with a full smile and a swagger and more than a little demanding of a > decent head rubbing instead of some pitful pet between the ears. > Oso is the dog that will pick out the lonliest person in the room and plop > his head in their lap as if he has adopted that person as his own special > project. > While he has not particular love of agility he does love doing tricks. > This came as somewhat as a surprise to me but I came to understand. He > never wants to disappoint. He never wants to be wrong.  All I needed to do > was to help him succeed with every attempt.  Give him small steps.  Oso is > 22 inches at the shoulder.  Starting with the very largest hula hoop I > taught him to jump through it.  And made the hoop smaller, and helped him > jump through it, and made it smaller yet.  The final hoop size was a mere > 13 inches in diameter.  It is his very favorite trick and will distract > him from everything, including another staring dog. > At eleven Oso is not, sadly, as healthy as Tanith.  But his current course > of medication seems to be working well.   The grey in his whiskers gets > lots of comment on our visits to convalescent homes, youth facilities and > senior centers.  But the relaxed smile on his face is still as sunny as > ever.  He makes almost everyone feel comfortable, even many who are afraid > of or dislike most other dogs.  In his career as therapy dog he was at > least three "miracles" those are interactions with a facility resident > that are so special that staff members gasp in surprise.  One I > particularly remember was a woman I approached and asked if she wanted to > pet the dog. She began to talk to Oso, telling him what a beautiful dog he > was, how she was going to take him for a walk and on and on and on.  On > impulse I handed her his leash and she tried to get out of her wheelchair. > I heard an exclamation behind me and noticed the recreation therapist > talking excitedly to our visit supervisor.  Afterward I got the story. > That woman had been in the facility for three months.  During that time > she had been unresponsive to any social interaction.  The only word they > had heard her utter was "yes, yes, yes" over and over. She never showed > interest in anything until Oso met her eyes. > Oso has forced me to learn so much about dogs. I learned that nature and > nuture are a balance and sometimes one just can’t overcome the other. I > learned to look at the dog and help it learn the way it learns best, not > just the way I was most used to.  I learned to really LOOK at the dog and > pay attention to what its body language was telling me.  I learned to > appricate what was different that what I would have chosen. > I’m just taking a small moment to really appreciate these dogs that share > their lives with me, and not just take them for granted. > Diane Blackman > http://www.dog-play.com

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> Are you familiar with foundation training?

Nope, never heard of it. Sounds like doubletalk. My methods cure all dog behavior problems without bustin our skulls trying to reinvent the wheel.. Enlighten me, I’m a quick study… – Hide quoted text — Show quoted text —— Original Message —– I just had a nice talk with the man who invented the "doggiedoright" device; he told me that if you tell him that I sent you he’ll knock $25 off the $99.95 price. If you know someone working at a shelter etc who wants to quieten the dogs in the neighborhood then this is an ideal present for them – and he will sell it at a discount.  He sounds like someone we all know who has no sense at all about money.  Nice, nice man. four locations at which the thing has worked, so I recommend it. Yap yap yap no more!  I have zero financial interest in this. George Nevyn writes: Jerry I cannot even begin to tell you the success Ive had with your training manual! My two mutts have gone from out-of-control psychos to obedient well behaved companions within a matter of weeks! AND My friends have seen the success and have asked me to work on their dogs! I was working with a 5 month old Ridgeback female today and she was being an angel after like an hour of working with her! it is AMAZING!! I pity those fools who take their dogs to classes where the "Trainers" abuse their dogs! (do they have a degree? A masters? a Phd? by the way? NO they are average joes off the street who think they know how to train dogs!) Once again, Jerry, you are a genius! NEVYN and my Dogs, Rizzo and Midget, My Grandparents dogs, Dusty and Snoopy, and my friends pup, Jazz. > I don’t now whether Peach is dead or alive. I do know she’s not here > with us. I really can’t blame anyone here for her loss. I’m the one > who ignored your advice. I did it because of how you write/wrote. I > was unwilling to accept the idea that my using a shock collar could have > any bearing on Peach not wanting to stay home. Up until I started using > it my main concern had been keeping my dogs in their own yard. Once I > started using the e-fence…well, then my concern became how to keep > them from running off for days on end. > I lost valuable training time becoming embroiled in the anti-shock > debate and the "Jerry sux" tirades. > I lost one dog but I have the bestest dog in the world now <g> A Wits > End Trained dog, one who is completely housetrained, doesn’t chew up > stuff, stays in the yard, and doesn’t bark all the time. IOW a great > companion and friend. > Thanks Jerry! > We just installed a PetSafe brand fence this Spring. > Two dogs, two collars We now have one dog and no > collars. > Peach and Zelda would run thru the fence, not want to > come back in the yard and would run for days. The > last time, Peach didn’t come back home. > I used the Wit’s End Training Manual to learn how to > train my dog. She is now border trained. A few > minutes each day reinforces her desire to stay in the > yard. > She no longer runs out into the road, I can stop her > from chasing cats and she no longer cringes when we > walk around the yard. > I can not say loud or long enough how much I hate the > e-fence and its collars. If you can’t get a regular fence > then you need to train your dog. I will never rely on an > electronic collar to keep my dog in our yard again. > The price was too high:-( > ~misty > I moved to Jacksonville, Florida about a year ago with my lovely wife < snip horror story > > Listen to this…My wife wrote one of the so called know it all of > pets. His response to the exact letter we initially wrote to > Jerry…"Get rid of the dog, bring her back" I’ll save this person > embarrassment by not saying the name. However, you know who you are > and I have this to say to you. Go pump gas or bus tables because you > sir, do not belong working with animals! > Jerry, after reading some of the threads in the news group, I can’t > for the life of me understand why this many people are so dang blind > or ignorant. > You just keep plugging away at what you do, because you my friend are > a life saver!!! > Anytime you need someone to speak about the results of your product, > you have my number. We would gladly talk to them. > Thank you very much for all your help. God bless you… > Anthony & Linda Testa > Jacksonville, Florida > Hey, do like me, and killfile Jerry. > He has millions of people aleady reading his posts and > watching him extract his soggy  foot out of his mouth! > Out of these MILLIONS, I’ve only seen 2 naive childs > come forward and actually believe in his training manual. > Robert Crim writes: > I assume that I and my wife are those two naive childs since > I freely admit to having read and, I hope, understood enough > of the manual and it’s counterparts by John Fisher and the > posts of Marilyn Rammell to believe and use it.  This naive > child would like to say thank you to both Jerry and Marilyn for > putting up with a constant barrage of really infantile crap at > the hands of supposedly adult dog lovers. > The other naive child (LSW) has to put up with the nagging > idea that if people like them had been posting earlier, maybe > we would not have had to hold the head of a really > magnificent animal in our arms while he was given the > needle and having to hug him and wait until he gasped > his last gasp. > To my mind, "naive" is believing you can terrorize a dog into > good behavior.  Naive is believing that people that hide > behind fake names are more honest than people that use > their real names.  Naive is thinking that dilettante dog > breeders and amateur "trainers" like Joey (lyingdogDUMMY, > j.h.) are the equal or better than those that have studied and > lived by their craft for decades. > "Stupid" is believing that people do not see kindergarten > level insults for what they are.   Really stupid is believing that > people like Jerry Howe and Marilyn Rammell are going to > just go away because you people act like fools.  Why do you > act like fools?  I really have no idea, and I don’t really care. > admit to buying and having success with his little black > box. > I think I’m going to get one myself for Father’s day and take > it down to the Animal Shelter for their use and testing.  You > would never believe the results, so you’ll never know. > Anyone by now that doesn’t see a scam man coming by > Jerry’s posts deserves to get what is sure to be coming to > him! LOL! > I don’t see a "scam man", so I guess I and Longsuffering > Wife and Rollei will just have to get what we deserve, eh? > As Joey (Dogman) says, "poor Rollei."…….right. >Terri > Yes it was, and that is sad. > Robert, Longsuffering Wife and Rollei (do I get to listen to the box > first?) Re: Barking Deterrants Needed… Hi. Please understand that I do not know Jerry and have spoken with him briefly once by email. I have no stake or interest in the success of his business. I simply want to thank him publicly for one of his tips, with regards to separation anxiety. I thought it seemed far fetched to praise a stuffed animal and then say good bye to my own dog, but I am usually a very open minded person, so I tried it. Well, lo and behold- the damn trick worked! I think Jerry has some intriguing techniques, and personally I think everyone who constantly criticizes him is not understanding his logic. Thank you Jerry! Hi, Jerry. I’m not sure that I’m a 100% convert, or that I agree with (or even understand) 100% of what you say in this manual … BUT … we had "come" down pat in a few reps and you could have knocked me down when I tried the exercise with "drop" and, after a few reps in different spots Darwin practically *threw* the rubber ball at my feet on command. He’s still not perfect (just a pup, after all, and he’s stubborn enough to want to push and test me a little bit more). For what it’s worth, I can see (as no doubt you have) how your usenet manner is likely to rankle a few folks, but that woman who advocates ear pulling and beating with sticks deserves everything she gets. Even if that was the only method that would work, I’d live with my dog not fetching rather than do any of that. (Darwin fetches enthusiastically and instinctively, tho’). Best, ben Sent: Friday, December 14, 2001 11:42 AM I just wanted to take a bit of time to tell you how much I appreciate your product and your training methods as well. When my little Chihuahua first arrived I was overwhelmed with her anxiety and her ability to just Bark endlessly. I received your product and at first I thought I was using it wrong, because my puppy just seemed to ignore it. But after a week or two, she began to calm down considerably as well as act more friendly towards people on the street. I can’t believe the difference I see in my little puppy. Your product is a life saver! Thanks again for everything. Sincerely, Regina Guerrero      Elaine McClung, President of Pet Rescue, Animal Commissioner      Brevard Co FL, writes:      Hi Jerry,

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Are you familiar with foundation training?

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Isn’t that the dog that you FINALLY taught to heel using my methods a couple months ago, Master Of Deception blankman??? Or is that the one you beat in the face with your shepherd’s crook? Know what? I lost the instruction for the knitted cover up for the pronged spiked pinch choke collar so you can train your dog on show grounds illegally. Did you ever get that bill paid at the vets for your doggy day care cause your dogs were out of control and you couldn’t trust them in your HOWES unless you was there to hurt them for being out of control? Now get the heel outta here. Jerry.

– Hide quoted text — Show quoted text -> Ok, so I’m being a bit silly tonight but I’m also sharing my pleasure in > the dogs that a part of my life.  Oso takes on the tasks that require the > highest in skill level but only the most modest levels of learning.  He is > a therapy dog and he is a very good one.  He didn’t need much help in > learning basic manners, and his instincts are excellent in deciding how to > approach each individual.  The shy and the fearful he approaches carefully > and quietly, head averted, mouth closed.  Dog lovers he approaches boldy, > with a full smile and a swagger and more than a little demanding of a > decent head rubbing instead of some pitful pet between the ears. > Oso is the dog that will pick out the lonliest person in the room and plop > his head in their lap as if he has adopted that person as his own special > project. > While he has not particular love of agility he does love doing tricks. > This came as somewhat as a surprise to me but I came to understand. He > never wants to disappoint. He never wants to be wrong.  All I needed to do > was to help him succeed with every attempt.  Give him small steps.  Oso is > 22 inches at the shoulder.  Starting with the very largest hula hoop I > taught him to jump through it.  And made the hoop smaller, and helped him > jump through it, and made it smaller yet.  The final hoop size was a mere > 13 inches in diameter.  It is his very favorite trick and will distract > him from everything, including another staring dog. > At eleven Oso is not, sadly, as healthy as Tanith.  But his current course > of medication seems to be working well.   The grey in his whiskers gets > lots of comment on our visits to convalescent homes, youth facilities and > senior centers.  But the relaxed smile on his face is still as sunny as > ever.  He makes almost everyone feel comfortable, even many who are afraid > of or dislike most other dogs.  In his career as therapy dog he was at > least three "miracles" those are interactions with a facility resident > that are so special that staff members gasp in surprise.  One I > particularly remember was a woman I approached and asked if she wanted to > pet the dog. She began to talk to Oso, telling him what a beautiful dog he > was, how she was going to take him for a walk and on and on and on.  On > impulse I handed her his leash and she tried to get out of her wheelchair. > I heard an exclamation behind me and noticed the recreation therapist > talking excitedly to our visit supervisor.  Afterward I got the story. > That woman had been in the facility for three months.  During that time > she had been unresponsive to any social interaction.  The only word they > had heard her utter was "yes, yes, yes" over and over. She never showed > interest in anything until Oso met her eyes. > Oso has forced me to learn so much about dogs. I learned that nature and > nuture are a balance and sometimes one just can’t overcome the other. I > learned to look at the dog and help it learn the way it learns best, not > just the way I was most used to.  I learned to really LOOK at the dog and > pay attention to what its body language was telling me.  I learned to > appricate what was different that what I would have chosen. > I’m just taking a small moment to really appreciate these dogs that share > their lives with me, and not just take them for granted. > Diane Blackman > http://www.dog-play.com

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Quite a News Group + Here, Pull My Finger…

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Thank you for snipping your post and for not top posting. What’s not true? – Hide quoted text — Show quoted text -> The dog training industry is about to come to a grinding halt… > > Watch your crossposting!! > > And your TOP POSTING!!! > > And don’t talk to my colleague Jerry Howe like that. He’s > > the hardest working Man in the Dog Game. > > — > > this is michael > > reporting live… > > http://dogtv.com > > with guest star > > Kwame Brown > > http://dogtv.com/kwame.jpg > > WORLD PREMIERE > > From homeless to World Famous > > Kwame Brown > > http://dogtv.com/kwame.rm > > Times they are a changing people, and so is the Muzzle. And > > what my colleague Jerry Howe and I have set in motion is an > > unopposable tidal wave of information, imagery and motion > > pictures which is going to affect every trainer, every vet, > > every behaviorist and every dime store dog "expert" in > > America and the world at large as we know it. Whether they > > like it or not. > > WELCOME TO THE NEW MUZZLE OF DOG TRAINING > > this is your ceo speaking… > > > Please keep this shit out of rec.pets.cats.misc you stupid asshole! > > > > He’s intelligent. He’s killfiled Jerry long ago… genius that he is. > > > > He’s already told me all I got to know about him from his training > > > > discussions with leah. He’s a nitwit…but I don’t know if he’s an > > > > abuser. Yet… That’s HOWE COME many of our dog lovers won’t > > > > talk to Jerry, cause they can’t answer my questions without > > > > proving they NEED to HURT dogs to train them. Like tara.green2, > > > > for example. Ask her about her LEAVE IT command, and HOWE > > > > that’ll poison proof a dog? > > > > Then ask professor SCRUFF SHAKE and scream NO into > > > > its face for 5 seconds dermer HOWE he reconciles that > > > > with allelomimetic behavior? > > > > Then ask him to what does he attribute his dog’s OCD masturbation > > > > habit to, the anxiety from punishing of his behaviors (and not the > dog) > > > > or is it a case of allelomimetic behavior? Like when professora "chin > > > > CHUCK absolutely doesn’t mean SLAP" gingold got her teeth bashed > > > > down her goddamned throat when her dog discovered that she’d been > > > > jerking and choking him and pretending he did it to himself by > accident. > > > > Now for the peanut gallery, just read "interested in hearing" and > > > > ask janet boss which of the two shock control systems that > > > > caused the little dog to become vicious to strangers didn’t > > > > work? > > > > Do you suppose liea’s dog Cubbe will have another post > > > > traumatic stress flashback and snap at another child she > > > > plays with and walks into her SHOCK ZONE? > > > > All dog behavior problems are caused by mishandling. > > > > Some "medical" problems are stress related disorders > > > > directly attributable to so called traditional training. > > > > roo’s dogs are aggressive and won’t come when called > > > > and she and ed w of pet loss dot CON told Misty my > > > > methods are dangerous and ineffective and got her > > > > dog DEAD for her. > > > > Our dog lovers turned on their former most favorite poster > > > > Robert Crim when after KILLING his Wonder Dog Fritz, > > > > he studied my methods to train my student Rollie. Robert > > > > and his Mrs. have NEVER needed to physically scold > > > > or punish or choke their Wits’ End Trained Dog. > > > > My students get 100% total non force control in days. > > > > Nevyn came here with 2 pbx bitches who were hurtin > > > > each other and fighting other dogs. Took him 24 days > > > > flat to totally turn his dogs around using NOTHIN BUT > > > > PRAISE and DISTRACTION. > > > > My methods work like MAGICK and all my students > > > > achieve any level of proficiency in any utility they > > > > desire. > > > > Everything our dog lovers tell us about training dogs > > > > is dangerous to humans and dogs, and the DEAD > > > > DOGS our expert have to show for their efforts > > > > are prima fascia evidence. My students do not > > > > hurt and kill their dogs.There is no way to give > > > > an effective correction using fear force or repression > > > > that doesn’t trigger opposition and animosity. > > > > Our dog lovers do not hurt dogs to train them. They > > > > hurt dog to satisfy their emotional needs to feel > > > > powerful, to compensate for their defective egos, > > > > inferiority complexes, and weak minds. > > > > —– Original Message —– > > > > I just had a nice talk with the man who invented the "doggiedoright" > > > device; > > > > he told me that if you tell him that I sent you he’ll knock $25 off > the > > > > $99.95 price. > > > > If you know someone working at a shelter etc who wants to quieten the > dogs > > > > in the neighborhood then this is an ideal present for them – and he > will > > > > sell > > > > it at a discount.  He sounds like someone we all know who has no sense > > > > at all about money.  Nice, nice man. > > > > four locations at which the thing has worked, so I recommend it. > > > > Yap yap yap no more!  I have zero financial interest in this. > > > > George > > > > > We just installed a PetSafe brand fence this Spring. > > > > > Two dogs, two collars We now have one dog and no > > > > > collars. > > > > > Peach and Zelda would run thru the fence, not want to > > > > > come back in the yard and would run for days. The > > > > > last time, Peach didn’t come back home. > > > > > I used the Wit’s End Training Manual to learn how to > > > > > train my dog. She is now border trained. A few > > > > > minutes each day reinforces her desire to stay in the > > > > > yard. > > > > > She no longer runs out into the road, I can stop her > > > > > from chasing cats and she no longer cringes when we > > > > > walk around the yard. > > > > > I can not say loud or long enough how much I hate the > > > > > e-fence and its collars. If you can’t get a regular fence > > > > > then you need to train your dog. I will never rely on an > > > > > electronic collar to keep my dog in our yard again. > > > > > The price was too high:-( > > > > > ~misty > > > > > I don’t now whether Peach is dead or alive. I do know she’s not here > > > > > with us. I really can’t blame anyone here for her loss. I’m the one > > > > > who ignored your advice. I did it because of how you write/wrote. I > > > > > was unwilling to accept the idea that my using a shock collar could > have > > > > > any bearing on Peach not wanting to stay home. Up until I started > using > > > > > it my main concern had been keeping my dogs in their own yard. Once > I > > > > > started using the e-fence…well, then my concern became how to keep > > > > > them from running off for days on end. > > > > > I lost valuable training time becoming embroiled in the anti-shock > > > > > debate and the "Jerry sux" tirades. > > > > > I lost one dog but I have the bestest dog in the world now <g> A > Wits > > > > > End Trained dog, one who is completely housetrained, doesn’t chew up > > > > > stuff, stays in the yard, and doesn’t bark all the time. IOW a great > > > > > companion and friend. > > > > > Thanks Jerry! > > > > > > Hey, do like me, and killfile Jerry. > > > > > > He has millions of people aleady reading his posts and > > > > > > watching him extract his soggy  foot out of his mouth! > > > > > > Out of these MILLIONS, I’ve only seen 2 naive childs > > > > > > come forward and actually believe in his training manual. > > > > > Robert Crim writes: > > > > > I assume that I and my wife are those two naive childs since > > > > > I freely admit to having read and, I hope, understood enough > > > > > of the manual and it’s counterparts by John Fisher and the > > > > > posts of Marilyn Rammell to believe and use it.  This naive > > > > > child would like to say thank you to both Jerry and Marilyn for > > > > > putting up with a constant barrage of really infantile crap at > > > > > the hands of supposedly adult dog lovers. > > > > > The other naive child (LSW) has to put up with the nagging > > > > > idea that if people like them had been posting earlier, maybe > > > > > we would not have had to hold the head of a really > > > > > magnificent animal in our arms while he was given the > > > > > needle and having to hug him and wait until he gasped > > > > > his last gasp. > > > > > To my mind, "naive" is believing you can terrorize a dog into > > > > > good behavior.

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– Hide quoted text — Show quoted text -> The dog training industry is about to come to a grinding halt… > > Watch your crossposting!! > > And your TOP POSTING!!! > > And don’t talk to my colleague Jerry Howe like that. He’s > > the hardest working Man in the Dog Game. > > — > > this is michael > > reporting live… > > http://dogtv.com > > with guest star > > Kwame Brown > > http://dogtv.com/kwame.jpg > > WORLD PREMIERE > > From homeless to World Famous > > Kwame Brown > > http://dogtv.com/kwame.rm > > Times they are a changing people, and so is the Muzzle. And > > what my colleague Jerry Howe and I have set in motion is an > > unopposable tidal wave of information, imagery and motion > > pictures which is going to affect every trainer, every vet, every > > behaviorist and every dime store dog "expert" in America and the > > world at large as we know it. Whether they like it or not. > > WELCOME TO THE NEW MUZZLE OF DOG TRAINING > > this is your ceo speaking… > > > Please keep this shit out of rec.pets.cats.misc you stupid > > > > He’s intelligent. He’s killfiled Jerry long ago… genius that > > > > he is. He’s already told me all I got to know about him from his > > > > training discussions with leah. He’s a nitwit…but I don’t know > > > > if he’s an abuser. Yet… That’s HOWE COME many of our dog > > > > lovers won’t talk to Jerry, cause they can’t answer my questions > > > > without proving they NEED to HURT dogs to train them. Like > > > > tara.green2, for example. Ask her about her LEAVE IT command, > > > > and HOWE that’ll poison proof a dog? > > > > Then ask professor SCRUFF SHAKE and scream NO into > > > > its face for 5 seconds dermer HOWE he reconciles that > > > > with allelomimetic behavior? > > > > Then ask him to what does he attribute his dog’s OCD > > > > masturbation habit to, the anxiety from punishing of his > > > > behaviors (and not the dog) or is it a case of allelomimetic > > > > behavior? Like when professora "chin CHUCK absolutely doesn’t > > > > mean SLAP" gingold got her teeth bashed down her goddamned > > > > throat when her dog discovered that she’d been jerking and > > > > choking him and pretending he did it to himself by accident. > > > > Now for the peanut gallery, just read "interested in hearing" > > > > and ask janet boss which of the two shock control systems that > > > > caused the little dog to become vicious to strangers didn’t > > > > work? > > > > Do you suppose liea’s dog Cubbe will have another post > > > > traumatic stress flashback and snap at another child she > > > > plays with and walks into her SHOCK ZONE? > > > > All dog behavior problems are caused by mishandling. > > > > Some "medical" problems are stress related disorders > > > > directly attributable to so called traditional training. > > > > roo’s dogs are aggressive and won’t come when called > > > > and she and ed w of pet loss dot CON told Misty my > > > > methods are dangerous and ineffective and got her > > > > dog DEAD for her. > > > > Our dog lovers turned on their former most favorite poster > > > > Robert Crim when after KILLING his Wonder Dog Fritz, he studied > > > > my methods to train my student Rollie. Robert and his Mrs. have > > > > NEVER needed to physically scold or punish or choke their Wits’ > > > > End Trained Dog. > > > > My students get 100% total non force control in days. > > > > Nevyn came here with 2 pbx bitches who were hurtin > > > > each other and fighting other dogs. Took him 24 days > > > > flat to totally turn his dogs around using NOTHIN BUT > > > > PRAISE and DISTRACTION. > > > > My methods work like MAGICK and all my students > > > > achieve any level of proficiency in any utility they desire. > > > > Everything our dog lovers tell us about training dogs > > > > is dangerous to humans and dogs, and the DEAD > > > > DOGS our expert have to show for their efforts > > > > are prima fascia evidence. My students do not > > > > hurt and kill their dogs.There is no way to give > > > > an effective correction using fear force or repression > > > > that doesn’t trigger opposition and animosity. > > > > Our dog lovers do not hurt dogs to train them. They > > > > hurt dog to satisfy their emotional needs to feel > > > > powerful, to compensate for their defective egos, inferiority > > > > complexes, and weak minds. > > > > —– Original Message —– > > > > I just had a nice talk with the man who invented the > > > > "doggiedoright" device; he told me that if you tell him that I > > > > sent you he’ll knock $25 off the $99.95 price. > > > > If you know someone working at a shelter etc who wants to > > > > quieten the dogs in the neighborhood then this is an ideal > > > > present for them – and he will sell it at a discount.  He sounds > > > > like someone we all know who has no sense at all about money. > > > > Nice, nice man. > > > > now have four locations at which the thing has worked, so I > > > > recommend it. > > > > Yap yap yap no more!  I have zero financial interest in this. > > > > George > > > > > We just installed a PetSafe brand fence this Spring. > > > > > Two dogs, two collars We now have one dog and no collars. > > > > > Peach and Zelda would run thru the fence, not want to > > > > > come back in the yard and would run for days. The last time, > > > > > Peach didn’t come back home. > > > > > I used the Wit’s End Training Manual to learn how to > > > > > train my dog. She is now border trained. A few > > > > > minutes each day reinforces her desire to stay in the yard. > > > > > She no longer runs out into the road, I can stop her > > > > > from chasing cats and she no longer cringes when we walk > > > > > around the yard. > > > > > I can not say loud or long enough how much I hate the > > > > > e-fence and its collars. If you can’t get a regular fence > > > > > then you need to train your dog. I will never rely on an > > > > > electronic collar to keep my dog in our yard again. > > > > > The price was too high:-( ~misty > > > > > I don’t now whether Peach is dead or alive. I do know she’s > > > > > not here with us. I really can’t blame anyone here for her > > > > > loss. I’m the one who ignored your advice. I did it because of > > > > > how you write/wrote. I was unwilling to accept the idea that > > > > > my using a shock collar could have any bearing on Peach not > > > > > wanting to stay home. Up until I started using it my main > > > > > concern had been keeping my dogs in their own yard. Once I > > > > > started using the e-fence…well, then my concern became how > > > > > to keep them from running off for days on end. > > > > > I lost valuable training time becoming embroiled in the > > > > > anti-shock debate and the "Jerry sux" tirades. > > > > > I lost one dog but I have the bestest dog in the world now <g> > > > > > A Wits End Trained dog, one who is completely housetrained, > > > > > doesn’t chew up stuff, stays in the yard, and doesn’t bark all > > > > > the time. IOW a great companion and friend. > > > > > Thanks Jerry! > > > > > > Hey, do like me, and killfile Jerry. > > > > > > He has millions of people aleady reading his posts and > > > > > > watching him extract his soggy  foot out of his mouth! > > > > > > Out of these MILLIONS, I’ve only seen 2 naive childs come > > > > > > forward and actually believe in his training manual. > > > > > Robert Crim writes: > > > > > I assume that I and my wife are those two naive childs since > > > > > I freely admit to having read and, I hope, understood enough > > > > > of the manual and it’s counterparts by John Fisher and the > > > > > posts of Marilyn Rammell to believe and use it.  This naive > > > > > child would like to say thank you to both Jerry and Marilyn > > > > > for putting up with a constant barrage of really infantile > > > > > crap at the hands of supposedly adult dog lovers. > > > > > The other naive child (LSW) has to put up with the nagging > > > > > idea that if people like them had been posting earlier, maybe > > > > > we would not have had to hold the head of a really > > > > > magnificent animal in our arms while he was given the > > > > > needle and having to hug him and wait until he gasped his last > > > > > gasp. > > > > > To my mind, "naive" is believing you can terrorize a dog into > > > > > good behavior.  Naive is believing that people that hide > > > > > behind fake names are more honest than people that use > > > > > their real names.  Naive is thinking that dilettante dog > > > > > breeders and amateur "trainers" like Joey (lyingdogDUMMY,

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Not true, eddie w of pet loss dot CON? Tell us about koehler being the greatest trainer in the world, and my students and customers being all liars sock puppets and paid shills for Jerry and animal fuckers? > The dog training industry is about to come to a grinding halt… > > Watch your crossposting!! > > And your TOP POSTING!!! > > And don’t talk to my colleague Jerry Howe like that. He’s > > the hardest working Man in the Dog Game. > > this is michael > > reporting live… > > http://dogtv.com > not true

You callin these good people liars, mr smegma pedophile NAMBLA?      Elaine McClung, President of Pet Rescue, Animal Commissioner      Brevard Co FL, writes:      Hi Jerry,      I received email from Mark Shaw on 10/6 which I just read today.      Sorry I didn’t have time to get to it sooner. We have had a lot      going on in our area concerning animals. We formed a new Task      Force to address spay/neuter, pet overpopulation and animal      abuse. I needed to do a lot of research before the first meeting and      time was just not available for anything else.      Anyway the letter went on to say that we are in collusion, I tried      to defraud him, and have sent none of the materials that he has      asked for although he has yet to furnish the P. O. Box number that      he wanted them sent to in the first place. He goes on to state that      I am no longer eligible for the "fictions reward." All of this is in      answer to postings that prove I was "sharing" his email with you      which in his opinion was a breach of good manners. His email only      had terms and conditions of the reward which I would consider      "public information."      Be that as it may, I would like to state that you had my permission      to post any email I have sent you regarding DDR including this      email.      I’m very sorry that you have to put up with this type of situation      from someone that obviously never intended to make good on his      reward offer in the first place.      I had a call from a friend of mine with a very aggressive cat. I      have loaned her my DDR for a few weeks to see if it will calm JR      down. I will let you know the results. She goes to the same holistic      vet that I go to and he is also interested.      In case Mark does post to the list again I would like to say that I      do very much believe that DDR will help JR as I know it has helped      my dogs and cats. I have entirely too much to do, to worry about his      opinions or reward.      The only reason I was willing to apply for the reward was on your      behalf as I do think your product is a valuable tool in helping with      aggression and other behavior problems.      I am in Feral Cat Network (we spay and neuter approximately 100      feral cats a month), I am also a member of a local AKC dog      obedience club, member of a local AKC agility club, president of      Pet Rescue, board member of the Alliance for Care and Welfare of      Animals (on the board are: county commissioner, vet. rep., rep. from      AKC dog club, CFA cat club, assistant County manager, head of      animal control, director of two different shelters, etc.) and Space      Coast Feline Network http://www.spacecoastfelinenetwork.com      I listed these not to be on an ego trip but to let Mark know that I      am involved with animals and have very little time to play games      with him also I would not recommend your product if I did not      believe in it.      Please feel free to post this email as it has no copyright on it as      did Mark Shaw’s last email to me.      Take care Jerry and don’t let the Mark’s of the world get you down.      Elaine      Thank you, Elaine. I have been trying to educate the mark’s of this      world, with some occasional successes. I guess that’s variable      reinforcement?      Yours, Jerry. – Hide quoted text — Show quoted text —— Original Message —– I just had a nice talk with the man who invented the "doggiedoright" device; he told me that if you tell him that I sent you he’ll knock $25 off the $99.95 price. If you know someone working at a shelter etc who wants to quieten the dogs in the neighborhood then this is an ideal present for them – and he will sell it at a discount.  He sounds like someone we all know who has no sense at all about money.  Nice, nice man. four locations at which the thing has worked, so I recommend it. Yap yap yap no more!  I have zero financial interest in this. George      Hi Jerry,      I wrote to you a week or so ago about the unit. I have since      borrowed one from Elaine Mc Clung. She speaks very      highly of it.      So, I brought it home and plugged it in. Of course, I      wanted it to come on, all the barking stop, and have every      one immediately fall to the floor in little comas for a few      hours. Well, after I got all 27 of them to be quiet, still no      comas. But, it had only been 36 seconds at that point. So,      I gave it a little longer. Still no comas. Was this really      going to work? I mean, I do have an unusual situation.      So, by bedtime, a few hours later. I started to notice just      how many were asleep already – with their feet in the air! I      started to have hope. During the night, all was calm. In the      morning when I got up, only a few of them WALKED quietly      to the door to go out. Not the usual evacuation.      I had the unit from Sunday afternoon until Tuesday      Morning. I was certainly pleased with the night effect. I      wasn’t so sure about the amount of the day time effect.      Until I took it back. Within half an hour, the monsters had      resurfaced. I wondered if I could break into Elaine’s house      and if she would notice :)      I know another person who does dog rescue. She rescues      Beagles. She has 23 in an 1100 square foot house. God      bless her. She is interested to see if it will work for her. I      also spoke to someone else who does cat rescue, and      she is interested. The cat rescue people have monthly      meetings. Maybe Elaine could give a word or two about it.      So, if there are any words of advice you can send my way      about the best way to use it in my case, I would appreciate      it. I of course wanted to keep it on the highest setting, but      don’t know if that is advised, even with my situation of so      many new ones coming and (too few) going.      Also, how I and others can go about getting one, etc. I      think the vets should have the info in their offices. It must      help dogs with separation anxiety. My vet practices      homeopathic as well as traditional medicine, so I      would think it would be right up her alley.      Thank you.      Desiree M Webber      A New Leash On Life                                         BIOSOUND Scientific                            Doggy Do Right (And Kitty Will And A                    Rooster Did And A Cockatoo Or Two Did Too)          The Little Black Box That Cures Animal’s Annoying Habits      Thank you for your recent inquiry regarding my Doggy Do Right      (And Kitty Will And A Rooster Did And A Cockatoo Or Two Did      Too) device. We had been out of stock but are now shipping      immediately. There are special rebates available for humane      societies, rescue organizations, and anyone working with rescue      regardless of affiliation with a bona-fide shelter organization.      INDEED, I DO make EXTRAORDINARY claims regarding my      Doggy Do Right (And Kitty Will And A Rooster Did And A      Cockatoo Or Two Did Too) machine, and I BACK IT UP with      my UNCONDITIONAL 100% money back SATISFACTION      GUARANTEE FOREVER, including paid return shipping and      two year full, free repair/replace warranty.      Doggy Do Right (And Kitty Will And A Rooster Did And A      Cockatoo Or Two Did Too) costs $99.95 plus $7.50 S&H      total $107.45 in US (other countries shipping varies).      Shipping at this time will be immediate. You can order on our      secure order page on the net at http://www.doggydoright.com,      by phone at 1888BIOSOUND, or US Post. Visa, MasterCard,      personal and electronic checks are accepted.     Prices including shipping will increase 25% May 25 2002 but     rest assured, my 100% money back satisfaction guarantee with     paid return shipping will NEVER change.      Your animal’s happiness and your satisfaction are paramount      to me. I’ve specialized in temperament and behavior problems      for forty years and share my knowledge freely. Just ask me if      you have ANY animal behavior questions or would like the latest      edition of my FREE Wits’ End Dog Training Method manual.      Do not confuse the DDR machine with my FREE Wits’ End Dog      Training Method manual, they are two separate entities. Their only      commonality is they each validate the other. They both employ non      force scientific and psychological techniques I’ve developed and      relied on over my forty years specializing in animal temperament      and behavior problems in mostly giant breed and protection trained      dogs. The DDR requires NO study or special knowledge or ability      to use.      If your veterinarian or behaviorist have questions about my      BIOSOUND Scientific technology or any of my training advice      I’ll be happy to talk to them. I’m available on my toll free      1-888-BIOSOUND phone line 24/7.      Pick up the phone and call me right now to speak to the inventor      and trainer.      My BIOSOUND Scientific

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- Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – > The dog training industry is about to come to a grinding halt… > Watch your crossposting!! > And your TOP POSTING!!! > And don’t talk to my colleague Jerry Howe like that. He’s > the hardest working Man in the Dog Game. > — > this is michael > reporting live… > http://dogtv.com > with guest star > Kwame Brown > http://dogtv.com/kwame.jpg > WORLD PREMIERE > From homeless to World Famous > Kwame Brown > http://dogtv.com/kwame.rm > Times they are a changing people, and so is the Muzzle. And > what my colleague Jerry Howe and I have set in motion is an > unopposable tidal wave of information, imagery and motion > pictures which is going to affect every trainer, every vet, > every behaviorist and every dime store dog "expert" in > America and the world at large as we know it. Whether they > like it or not. > WELCOME TO THE NEW MUZZLE OF DOG TRAINING > this is your ceo speaking… > > Please keep this shit out of rec.pets.cats.misc you stupid asshole! > > > He’s intelligent. He’s killfiled Jerry long ago… genius that he is. > > > He’s already told me all I got to know about him from his training > > > discussions with leah. He’s a nitwit…but I don’t know if he’s an > > > abuser. Yet… That’s HOWE COME many of our dog lovers won’t > > > talk to Jerry, cause they can’t answer my questions without > > > proving they NEED to HURT dogs to train them. Like tara.green2, > > > for example. Ask her about her LEAVE IT command, and HOWE > > > that’ll poison proof a dog? > > > Then ask professor SCRUFF SHAKE and scream NO into > > > its face for 5 seconds dermer HOWE he reconciles that > > > with allelomimetic behavior? > > > Then ask him to what does he attribute his dog’s OCD masturbation > > > habit to, the anxiety from punishing of his behaviors (and not the > dog) > > > or is it a case of allelomimetic behavior? Like when professora "chin > > > CHUCK absolutely doesn’t mean SLAP" gingold got her teeth bashed > > > down her goddamned throat when her dog discovered that she’d been > > > jerking and choking him and pretending he did it to himself by > accident. > > > Now for the peanut gallery, just read "interested in hearing" and > > > ask janet boss which of the two shock control systems that > > > caused the little dog to become vicious to strangers didn’t > > > work? > > > Do you suppose liea’s dog Cubbe will have another post > > > traumatic stress flashback and snap at another child she > > > plays with and walks into her SHOCK ZONE? > > > All dog behavior problems are caused by mishandling. > > > Some "medical" problems are stress related disorders > > > directly attributable to so called traditional training. > > > roo’s dogs are aggressive and won’t come when called > > > and she and ed w of pet loss dot CON told Misty my > > > methods are dangerous and ineffective and got her > > > dog DEAD for her. > > > Our dog lovers turned on their former most favorite poster > > > Robert Crim when after KILLING his Wonder Dog Fritz, > > > he studied my methods to train my student Rollie. Robert > > > and his Mrs. have NEVER needed to physically scold > > > or punish or choke their Wits’ End Trained Dog. > > > My students get 100% total non force control in days. > > > Nevyn came here with 2 pbx bitches who were hurtin > > > each other and fighting other dogs. Took him 24 days > > > flat to totally turn his dogs around using NOTHIN BUT > > > PRAISE and DISTRACTION. > > > My methods work like MAGICK and all my students > > > achieve any level of proficiency in any utility they > > > desire. > > > Everything our dog lovers tell us about training dogs > > > is dangerous to humans and dogs, and the DEAD > > > DOGS our expert have to show for their efforts > > > are prima fascia evidence. My students do not > > > hurt and kill their dogs.There is no way to give > > > an effective correction using fear force or repression > > > that doesn’t trigger opposition and animosity. > > > Our dog lovers do not hurt dogs to train them. They > > > hurt dog to satisfy their emotional needs to feel > > > powerful, to compensate for their defective egos, > > > inferiority complexes, and weak minds. > > > —– Original Message —– > > > I just had a nice talk with the man who invented the "doggiedoright" > > device; > > > he told me that if you tell him that I sent you he’ll knock $25 off > the > > > $99.95 price. > > > If you know someone working at a shelter etc who wants to quieten the > dogs > > > in the neighborhood then this is an ideal present for them – and he > will > > > sell > > > it at a discount.  He sounds like someone we all know who has no sense > > > at all about money.  Nice, nice man. > > > four locations at which the thing has worked, so I recommend it. > > > Yap yap yap no more!  I have zero financial interest in this. > > > George > > > > We just installed a PetSafe brand fence this Spring. > > > > Two dogs, two collars We now have one dog and no > > > > collars. > > > > Peach and Zelda would run thru the fence, not want to > > > > come back in the yard and would run for days. The > > > > last time, Peach didn’t come back home. > > > > I used the Wit’s End Training Manual to learn how to > > > > train my dog. She is now border trained. A few > > > > minutes each day reinforces her desire to stay in the > > > > yard. > > > > She no longer runs out into the road, I can stop her > > > > from chasing cats and she no longer cringes when we > > > > walk around the yard. > > > > I can not say loud or long enough how much I hate the > > > > e-fence and its collars. If you can’t get a regular fence > > > > then you need to train your dog. I will never rely on an > > > > electronic collar to keep my dog in our yard again. > > > > The price was too high:-( > > > > ~misty > > > > I don’t now whether Peach is dead or alive. I do know she’s not here > > > > with us. I really can’t blame anyone here for her loss. I’m the one > > > > who ignored your advice. I did it because of how you write/wrote. I > > > > was unwilling to accept the idea that my using a shock collar could > have > > > > any bearing on Peach not wanting to stay home. Up until I started > using > > > > it my main concern had been keeping my dogs in their own yard. Once > I > > > > started using the e-fence…well, then my concern became how to keep > > > > them from running off for days on end. > > > > I lost valuable training time becoming embroiled in the anti-shock > > > > debate and the "Jerry sux" tirades. > > > > I lost one dog but I have the bestest dog in the world now <g> A > Wits > > > > End Trained dog, one who is completely housetrained, doesn’t chew up > > > > stuff, stays in the yard, and doesn’t bark all the time. IOW a great > > > > companion and friend. > > > > Thanks Jerry! > > > > > Hey, do like me, and killfile Jerry. > > > > > He has millions of people aleady reading his posts and > > > > > watching him extract his soggy  foot out of his mouth! > > > > > Out of these MILLIONS, I’ve only seen 2 naive childs > > > > > come forward and actually believe in his training manual. > > > > Robert Crim writes: > > > > I assume that I and my wife are those two naive childs since > > > > I freely admit to having read and, I hope, understood enough > > > > of the manual and it’s counterparts by John Fisher and the > > > > posts of Marilyn Rammell to believe and use it.  This naive > > > > child would like to say thank you to both Jerry and Marilyn for > > > > putting up with a constant barrage of really infantile crap at > > > > the hands of supposedly adult dog lovers. > > > > The other naive child (LSW) has to put up with the nagging > > > > idea that if people like them had been posting earlier, maybe > > > > we would not have had to hold the head of a really > > > > magnificent animal in our arms while he was given the > > > > needle and having to hug him and wait until he gasped > > > > his last gasp. > > > > To my mind, "naive" is believing you can terrorize a dog into > > > > good behavior.  Naive is believing that people that hide > > > > behind fake names are more honest than people that use > > > > their real names.  Naive is thinking that dilettante dog > > > > breeders and amateur "trainers" like Joey (lyingdogDUMMY, > > > > j.h.) are the equal or better than those that have studied and > > > > lived by their craft for decades. > > > > "Stupid" is believing that people do not see kindergarten > > > > level insults for what they are.   Really stupid is believing that > > > > people like Jerry Howe and

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– Hide quoted text — Show quoted text -> Watch your crossposting!! > And your TOP POSTING!!! > And don’t talk to my colleague Jerry Howe like that. He’s > the hardest working Man in the Dog Game. > — > this is michael > reporting live… > http://dogtv.com > with guest star > Kwame Brown > http://dogtv.com/kwame.jpg > WORLD PREMIERE > From homeless to World Famous > Kwame Brown > http://dogtv.com/kwame.rm > Times they are a changing people, and so is the Muzzle. And > what my colleague Jerry Howe and I have set in motion is an > unopposable tidal wave of information, imagery and motion > pictures which is going to affect every trainer, every vet, > every behaviorist and every dime store dog "expert" in > America and the world at large as we know it. Whether they > like it or not. > WELCOME TO THE NEW MUZZLE OF DOG TRAINING > this is your ceo speaking… > Please keep this shit out of rec.pets.cats.misc you stupid asshole! > > He’s intelligent. He’s killfiled Jerry long ago… genius that he is. > > He’s already told me all I got to know about him from his training > > discussions with leah. He’s a nitwit…but I don’t know if he’s an > > abuser. Yet… That’s HOWE COME many of our dog lovers won’t > > talk to Jerry, cause they can’t answer my questions without > > proving they NEED to HURT dogs to train them. Like tara.green2, > > for example. Ask her about her LEAVE IT command, and HOWE > > that’ll poison proof a dog? > > Then ask professor SCRUFF SHAKE and scream NO into > > its face for 5 seconds dermer HOWE he reconciles that > > with allelomimetic behavior? > > Then ask him to what does he attribute his dog’s OCD masturbation > > habit to, the anxiety from punishing of his behaviors (and not the dog) > > or is it a case of allelomimetic behavior? Like when professora "chin > > CHUCK absolutely doesn’t mean SLAP" gingold got her teeth bashed > > down her goddamned throat when her dog discovered that she’d been > > jerking and choking him and pretending he did it to himself by accident. > > Now for the peanut gallery, just read "interested in hearing" and > > ask janet boss which of the two shock control systems that > > caused the little dog to become vicious to strangers didn’t > > work? > > Do you suppose liea’s dog Cubbe will have another post > > traumatic stress flashback and snap at another child she > > plays with and walks into her SHOCK ZONE? > > All dog behavior problems are caused by mishandling. > > Some "medical" problems are stress related disorders > > directly attributable to so called traditional training. > > roo’s dogs are aggressive and won’t come when called > > and she and ed w of pet loss dot CON told Misty my > > methods are dangerous and ineffective and got her > > dog DEAD for her. > > Our dog lovers turned on their former most favorite poster > > Robert Crim when after KILLING his Wonder Dog Fritz, > > he studied my methods to train my student Rollie. Robert > > and his Mrs. have NEVER needed to physically scold > > or punish or choke their Wits’ End Trained Dog. > > My students get 100% total non force control in days. > > Nevyn came here with 2 pbx bitches who were hurtin > > each other and fighting other dogs. Took him 24 days > > flat to totally turn his dogs around using NOTHIN BUT > > PRAISE and DISTRACTION. > > My methods work like MAGICK and all my students > > achieve any level of proficiency in any utility they > > desire. > > Everything our dog lovers tell us about training dogs > > is dangerous to humans and dogs, and the DEAD > > DOGS our expert have to show for their efforts > > are prima fascia evidence. My students do not > > hurt and kill their dogs.There is no way to give > > an effective correction using fear force or repression > > that doesn’t trigger opposition and animosity. > > Our dog lovers do not hurt dogs to train them. They > > hurt dog to satisfy their emotional needs to feel > > powerful, to compensate for their defective egos, > > inferiority complexes, and weak minds. > > —– Original Message —– > > I just had a nice talk with the man who invented the "doggiedoright" > device; > > he told me that if you tell him that I sent you he’ll knock $25 off the > > $99.95 price. > > If you know someone working at a shelter etc who wants to quieten the dogs > > in the neighborhood then this is an ideal present for them – and he will > > sell > > it at a discount.  He sounds like someone we all know who has no sense > > at all about money.  Nice, nice man. > > four locations at which the thing has worked, so I recommend it. > > Yap yap yap no more!  I have zero financial interest in this. > > George > > > We just installed a PetSafe brand fence this Spring. > > > Two dogs, two collars We now have one dog and no > > > collars. > > > Peach and Zelda would run thru the fence, not want to > > > come back in the yard and would run for days. The > > > last time, Peach didn’t come back home. > > > I used the Wit’s End Training Manual to learn how to > > > train my dog. She is now border trained. A few > > > minutes each day reinforces her desire to stay in the > > > yard. > > > She no longer runs out into the road, I can stop her > > > from chasing cats and she no longer cringes when we > > > walk around the yard. > > > I can not say loud or long enough how much I hate the > > > e-fence and its collars. If you can’t get a regular fence > > > then you need to train your dog. I will never rely on an > > > electronic collar to keep my dog in our yard again. > > > The price was too high:-( > > > ~misty > > > I don’t now whether Peach is dead or alive. I do know she’s not here > > > with us. I really can’t blame anyone here for her loss. I’m the one > > > who ignored your advice. I did it because of how you write/wrote. I > > > was unwilling to accept the idea that my using a shock collar could have > > > any bearing on Peach not wanting to stay home. Up until I started using > > > it my main concern had been keeping my dogs in their own yard. Once I > > > started using the e-fence…well, then my concern became how to keep > > > them from running off for days on end. > > > I lost valuable training time becoming embroiled in the anti-shock > > > debate and the "Jerry sux" tirades. > > > I lost one dog but I have the bestest dog in the world now <g> A Wits > > > End Trained dog, one who is completely housetrained, doesn’t chew up > > > stuff, stays in the yard, and doesn’t bark all the time. IOW a great > > > companion and friend. > > > Thanks Jerry! > > > > Hey, do like me, and killfile Jerry. > > > > He has millions of people aleady reading his posts and > > > > watching him extract his soggy  foot out of his mouth! > > > > Out of these MILLIONS, I’ve only seen 2 naive childs > > > > come forward and actually believe in his training manual. > > > Robert Crim writes: > > > I assume that I and my wife are those two naive childs since > > > I freely admit to having read and, I hope, understood enough > > > of the manual and it’s counterparts by John Fisher and the > > > posts of Marilyn Rammell to believe and use it.  This naive > > > child would like to say thank you to both Jerry and Marilyn for > > > putting up with a constant barrage of really infantile crap at > > > the hands of supposedly adult dog lovers. > > > The other naive child (LSW) has to put up with the nagging > > > idea that if people like them had been posting earlier, maybe > > > we would not have had to hold the head of a really > > > magnificent animal in our arms while he was given the > > > needle and having to hug him and wait until he gasped > > > his last gasp. > > > To my mind, "naive" is believing you can terrorize a dog into > > > good behavior.  Naive is believing that people that hide > > > behind fake names are more honest than people that use > > > their real names.  Naive is thinking that dilettante dog > > > breeders and amateur "trainers" like Joey (lyingdogDUMMY, > > > j.h.) are the equal or better than those that have studied and > > > lived by their craft for decades. > > > "Stupid" is believing that people do not see kindergarten > > > level insults for what they are.   Really stupid is believing that > > > people like Jerry Howe and Marilyn Rammell are going to > > > just go away because you people act like fools.  Why do you > > > act like fools?  I really have no idea, and I don’t really care. > > > > admit to buying and having success with his little black > > > > box. > > > I think I’m going to get one myself for Father’s day and take > > > it down to the Animal Shelter for their use and testing.  You > > > would never

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Watch your crossposting!! And your TOP POSTING!!! And don’t talk to my colleague Jerry Howe like that. He’s the hardest working Man in the Dog Game. — this is michael reporting live… http://dogtv.com with guest star Kwame Brown http://dogtv.com/kwame.jpg WORLD PREMIERE From homeless to World Famous Kwame Brown http://dogtv.com/kwame.rm Times they are a changing people, and so is the Muzzle. And what my colleague Jerry Howe and I have set in motion is an unopposable tidal wave of information, imagery and motion pictures which is going to affect every trainer, every vet, every behaviorist and every dime store dog "expert" in America and the world at large as we know it. Whether they like it or not. WELCOME TO THE NEW MUZZLE OF DOG TRAINING this is your ceo speaking… – Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – > Please keep this shit out of rec.pets.cats.misc you stupid asshole! > He’s intelligent. He’s killfiled Jerry long ago… genius that he is. > He’s already told me all I got to know about him from his training > discussions with leah. He’s a nitwit…but I don’t know if he’s an > abuser. Yet… That’s HOWE COME many of our dog lovers won’t > talk to Jerry, cause they can’t answer my questions without > proving they NEED to HURT dogs to train them. Like tara.green2, > for example. Ask her about her LEAVE IT command, and HOWE > that’ll poison proof a dog? > Then ask professor SCRUFF SHAKE and scream NO into > its face for 5 seconds dermer HOWE he reconciles that > with allelomimetic behavior? > Then ask him to what does he attribute his dog’s OCD masturbation > habit to, the anxiety from punishing of his behaviors (and not the dog) > or is it a case of allelomimetic behavior? Like when professora "chin > CHUCK absolutely doesn’t mean SLAP" gingold got her teeth bashed > down her goddamned throat when her dog discovered that she’d been > jerking and choking him and pretending he did it to himself by accident. > Now for the peanut gallery, just read "interested in hearing" and > ask janet boss which of the two shock control systems that > caused the little dog to become vicious to strangers didn’t > work? > Do you suppose liea’s dog Cubbe will have another post > traumatic stress flashback and snap at another child she > plays with and walks into her SHOCK ZONE? > All dog behavior problems are caused by mishandling. > Some "medical" problems are stress related disorders > directly attributable to so called traditional training. > roo’s dogs are aggressive and won’t come when called > and she and ed w of pet loss dot CON told Misty my > methods are dangerous and ineffective and got her > dog DEAD for her. > Our dog lovers turned on their former most favorite poster > Robert Crim when after KILLING his Wonder Dog Fritz, > he studied my methods to train my student Rollie. Robert > and his Mrs. have NEVER needed to physically scold > or punish or choke their Wits’ End Trained Dog. > My students get 100% total non force control in days. > Nevyn came here with 2 pbx bitches who were hurtin > each other and fighting other dogs. Took him 24 days > flat to totally turn his dogs around using NOTHIN BUT > PRAISE and DISTRACTION. > My methods work like MAGICK and all my students > achieve any level of proficiency in any utility they > desire. > Everything our dog lovers tell us about training dogs > is dangerous to humans and dogs, and the DEAD > DOGS our expert have to show for their efforts > are prima fascia evidence. My students do not > hurt and kill their dogs.There is no way to give > an effective correction using fear force or repression > that doesn’t trigger opposition and animosity. > Our dog lovers do not hurt dogs to train them. They > hurt dog to satisfy their emotional needs to feel > powerful, to compensate for their defective egos, > inferiority complexes, and weak minds. > —– Original Message —– > I just had a nice talk with the man who invented the "doggiedoright" > device; > he told me that if you tell him that I sent you he’ll knock $25 off the > $99.95 price. > If you know someone working at a shelter etc who wants to quieten the dogs > in the neighborhood then this is an ideal present for them – and he will > sell > it at a discount.  He sounds like someone we all know who has no sense > at all about money.  Nice, nice man. > four locations at which the thing has worked, so I recommend it. > Yap yap yap no more!  I have zero financial interest in this. > George > > We just installed a PetSafe brand fence this Spring. > > Two dogs, two collars We now have one dog and no > > collars. > > Peach and Zelda would run thru the fence, not want to > > come back in the yard and would run for days. The > > last time, Peach didn’t come back home. > > I used the Wit’s End Training Manual to learn how to > > train my dog. She is now border trained. A few > > minutes each day reinforces her desire to stay in the > > yard. > > She no longer runs out into the road, I can stop her > > from chasing cats and she no longer cringes when we > > walk around the yard. > > I can not say loud or long enough how much I hate the > > e-fence and its collars. If you can’t get a regular fence > > then you need to train your dog. I will never rely on an > > electronic collar to keep my dog in our yard again. > > The price was too high:-( > > ~misty > > I don’t now whether Peach is dead or alive. I do know she’s not here > > with us. I really can’t blame anyone here for her loss. I’m the one > > who ignored your advice. I did it because of how you write/wrote. I > > was unwilling to accept the idea that my using a shock collar could have > > any bearing on Peach not wanting to stay home. Up until I started using > > it my main concern had been keeping my dogs in their own yard. Once I > > started using the e-fence…well, then my concern became how to keep > > them from running off for days on end. > > I lost valuable training time becoming embroiled in the anti-shock > > debate and the "Jerry sux" tirades. > > I lost one dog but I have the bestest dog in the world now <g> A Wits > > End Trained dog, one who is completely housetrained, doesn’t chew up > > stuff, stays in the yard, and doesn’t bark all the time. IOW a great > > companion and friend. > > Thanks Jerry! > > > Hey, do like me, and killfile Jerry. > > > He has millions of people aleady reading his posts and > > > watching him extract his soggy  foot out of his mouth! > > > Out of these MILLIONS, I’ve only seen 2 naive childs > > > come forward and actually believe in his training manual. > > Robert Crim writes: > > I assume that I and my wife are those two naive childs since > > I freely admit to having read and, I hope, understood enough > > of the manual and it’s counterparts by John Fisher and the > > posts of Marilyn Rammell to believe and use it.  This naive > > child would like to say thank you to both Jerry and Marilyn for > > putting up with a constant barrage of really infantile crap at > > the hands of supposedly adult dog lovers. > > The other naive child (LSW) has to put up with the nagging > > idea that if people like them had been posting earlier, maybe > > we would not have had to hold the head of a really > > magnificent animal in our arms while he was given the > > needle and having to hug him and wait until he gasped > > his last gasp. > > To my mind, "naive" is believing you can terrorize a dog into > > good behavior.  Naive is believing that people that hide > > behind fake names are more honest than people that use > > their real names.  Naive is thinking that dilettante dog > > breeders and amateur "trainers" like Joey (lyingdogDUMMY, > > j.h.) are the equal or better than those that have studied and > > lived by their craft for decades. > > "Stupid" is believing that people do not see kindergarten > > level insults for what they are.   Really stupid is believing that > > people like Jerry Howe and Marilyn Rammell are going to > > just go away because you people act like fools.  Why do you > > act like fools?  I really have no idea, and I don’t really care. > > > admit to buying and having success with his little black > > > box. > > I think I’m going to get one myself for Father’s day and take > > it down to the Animal Shelter for their use and testing.  You > > would never believe the results, so you’ll never know. > > > Anyone by now that doesn’t see a scam man coming by > > > Jerry’s posts deserves to get what is sure to be coming to > > > him! LOL! > > I don’t see a "scam man", so I guess I and Longsuffering > > Wife and Rollei will just have to get what we deserve, eh? > > As Joey (Dogman) says, "poor Rollei."…….right. > > >Terri > > Yes it was, and that is sad. > > Robert, Longsuffering Wife and Rollei (do I get to listen to the box > > first?) > "Anthony Testa"

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Please keep this shit out of rec.pets.cats.misc you stupid asshole!

– Hide quoted text — Show quoted text -> He’s intelligent. He’s killfiled Jerry long ago… genius that he is. > He’s already told me all I got to know about him from his training > discussions with leah. He’s a nitwit…but I don’t know if he’s an > abuser. Yet… That’s HOWE COME many of our dog lovers won’t > talk to Jerry, cause they can’t answer my questions without > proving they NEED to HURT dogs to train them. Like tara.green2, > for example. Ask her about her LEAVE IT command, and HOWE > that’ll poison proof a dog? > Then ask professor SCRUFF SHAKE and scream NO into > its face for 5 seconds dermer HOWE he reconciles that > with allelomimetic behavior? > Then ask him to what does he attribute his dog’s OCD masturbation > habit to, the anxiety from punishing of his behaviors (and not the dog) > or is it a case of allelomimetic behavior? Like when professora "chin > CHUCK absolutely doesn’t mean SLAP" gingold got her teeth bashed > down her goddamned throat when her dog discovered that she’d been > jerking and choking him and pretending he did it to himself by accident. > Now for the peanut gallery, just read "interested in hearing" and > ask janet boss which of the two shock control systems that > caused the little dog to become vicious to strangers didn’t > work? > Do you suppose liea’s dog Cubbe will have another post > traumatic stress flashback and snap at another child she > plays with and walks into her SHOCK ZONE? > All dog behavior problems are caused by mishandling. > Some "medical" problems are stress related disorders > directly attributable to so called traditional training. > roo’s dogs are aggressive and won’t come when called > and she and ed w of pet loss dot CON told Misty my > methods are dangerous and ineffective and got her > dog DEAD for her. > Our dog lovers turned on their former most favorite poster > Robert Crim when after KILLING his Wonder Dog Fritz, > he studied my methods to train my student Rollie. Robert > and his Mrs. have NEVER needed to physically scold > or punish or choke their Wits’ End Trained Dog. > My students get 100% total non force control in days. > Nevyn came here with 2 pbx bitches who were hurtin > each other and fighting other dogs. Took him 24 days > flat to totally turn his dogs around using NOTHIN BUT > PRAISE and DISTRACTION. > My methods work like MAGICK and all my students > achieve any level of proficiency in any utility they > desire. > Everything our dog lovers tell us about training dogs > is dangerous to humans and dogs, and the DEAD > DOGS our expert have to show for their efforts > are prima fascia evidence. My students do not > hurt and kill their dogs.There is no way to give > an effective correction using fear force or repression > that doesn’t trigger opposition and animosity. > Our dog lovers do not hurt dogs to train them. They > hurt dog to satisfy their emotional needs to feel > powerful, to compensate for their defective egos, > inferiority complexes, and weak minds. > —– Original Message —– > I just had a nice talk with the man who invented the "doggiedoright" device; > he told me that if you tell him that I sent you he’ll knock $25 off the > $99.95 price. > If you know someone working at a shelter etc who wants to quieten the dogs > in the neighborhood then this is an ideal present for them – and he will > sell > it at a discount.  He sounds like someone we all know who has no sense > at all about money.  Nice, nice man. > four locations at which the thing has worked, so I recommend it. > Yap yap yap no more!  I have zero financial interest in this. > George > We just installed a PetSafe brand fence this Spring. > Two dogs, two collars We now have one dog and no > collars. > Peach and Zelda would run thru the fence, not want to > come back in the yard and would run for days. The > last time, Peach didn’t come back home. > I used the Wit’s End Training Manual to learn how to > train my dog. She is now border trained. A few > minutes each day reinforces her desire to stay in the > yard. > She no longer runs out into the road, I can stop her > from chasing cats and she no longer cringes when we > walk around the yard. > I can not say loud or long enough how much I hate the > e-fence and its collars. If you can’t get a regular fence > then you need to train your dog. I will never rely on an > electronic collar to keep my dog in our yard again. > The price was too high:-( > ~misty > I don’t now whether Peach is dead or alive. I do know she’s not here > with us. I really can’t blame anyone here for her loss. I’m the one > who ignored your advice. I did it because of how you write/wrote. I > was unwilling to accept the idea that my using a shock collar could have > any bearing on Peach not wanting to stay home. Up until I started using > it my main concern had been keeping my dogs in their own yard. Once I > started using the e-fence…well, then my concern became how to keep > them from running off for days on end. > I lost valuable training time becoming embroiled in the anti-shock > debate and the "Jerry sux" tirades. > I lost one dog but I have the bestest dog in the world now <g> A Wits > End Trained dog, one who is completely housetrained, doesn’t chew up > stuff, stays in the yard, and doesn’t bark all the time. IOW a great > companion and friend. > Thanks Jerry! > > Hey, do like me, and killfile Jerry. > > He has millions of people aleady reading his posts and > > watching him extract his soggy  foot out of his mouth! > > Out of these MILLIONS, I’ve only seen 2 naive childs > > come forward and actually believe in his training manual. > Robert Crim writes: > I assume that I and my wife are those two naive childs since > I freely admit to having read and, I hope, understood enough > of the manual and it’s counterparts by John Fisher and the > posts of Marilyn Rammell to believe and use it.  This naive > child would like to say thank you to both Jerry and Marilyn for > putting up with a constant barrage of really infantile crap at > the hands of supposedly adult dog lovers. > The other naive child (LSW) has to put up with the nagging > idea that if people like them had been posting earlier, maybe > we would not have had to hold the head of a really > magnificent animal in our arms while he was given the > needle and having to hug him and wait until he gasped > his last gasp. > To my mind, "naive" is believing you can terrorize a dog into > good behavior.  Naive is believing that people that hide > behind fake names are more honest than people that use > their real names.  Naive is thinking that dilettante dog > breeders and amateur "trainers" like Joey (lyingdogDUMMY, > j.h.) are the equal or better than those that have studied and > lived by their craft for decades. > "Stupid" is believing that people do not see kindergarten > level insults for what they are.   Really stupid is believing that > people like Jerry Howe and Marilyn Rammell are going to > just go away because you people act like fools.  Why do you > act like fools?  I really have no idea, and I don’t really care. > > admit to buying and having success with his little black > > box. > I think I’m going to get one myself for Father’s day and take > it down to the Animal Shelter for their use and testing.  You > would never believe the results, so you’ll never know. > > Anyone by now that doesn’t see a scam man coming by > > Jerry’s posts deserves to get what is sure to be coming to > > him! LOL! > I don’t see a "scam man", so I guess I and Longsuffering > Wife and Rollei will just have to get what we deserve, eh? > As Joey (Dogman) says, "poor Rollei."…….right. > >Terri > Yes it was, and that is sad. > Robert, Longsuffering Wife and Rollei (do I get to listen to the box > first?) > I moved to Jacksonville, Florida about a year ago with my lovely wife > < snip horror story > > Listen to this…My wife wrote one of the so called know it all of > pets. His response to the exact letter we initially wrote to > Jerry…"Get rid of the dog, bring her back" I’ll save this person > embarrassment by not saying the name. However, you know who you are > and I have this to say to you. Go pump gas or bus tables because you > sir, do not belong working with animals! > Jerry, after reading some of the threads in the news group, I can’t > for the life of me understand why this many people are so dang blind > or ignorant. > You just keep plugging away at what you do, because you my friend are > a life saver!!! > Anytime you need someone to speak about the results of your product, > you have my number. We would gladly talk to them. > Thank you very much for all your help. God bless you… > Anthony & Linda Testa > Jacksonville, Florida > Sent: Friday, December 14, 2001 11:42 AM > I

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He’s intelligent. He’s killfiled Jerry long ago… genius that he is. He’s already told me all I got to know about him from his training discussions with leah. He’s a nitwit…but I don’t know if he’s an abuser. Yet… That’s HOWE COME many of our dog lovers won’t talk to Jerry, cause they can’t answer my questions without proving they NEED to HURT dogs to train them. Like tara.green2, for example. Ask her about her LEAVE IT command, and HOWE that’ll poison proof a dog? Then ask professor SCRUFF SHAKE and scream NO into its face for 5 seconds dermer HOWE he reconciles that with allelomimetic behavior? Then ask him to what does he attribute his dog’s OCD masturbation habit to, the anxiety from punishing of his behaviors (and not the dog) or is it a case of allelomimetic behavior? Like when professora "chin CHUCK absolutely doesn’t mean SLAP" gingold got her teeth bashed down her goddamned throat when her dog discovered that she’d been jerking and choking him and pretending he did it to himself by accident. Now for the peanut gallery, just read "interested in hearing" and ask janet boss which of the two shock control systems that caused the little dog to become vicious to strangers didn’t work? Do you suppose liea’s dog Cubbe will have another post traumatic stress flashback and snap at another child she plays with and walks into her SHOCK ZONE? All dog behavior problems are caused by mishandling. Some "medical" problems are stress related disorders directly attributable to so called traditional training. roo’s dogs are aggressive and won’t come when called and she and ed w of pet loss dot CON told Misty my methods are dangerous and ineffective and got her dog DEAD for her. Our dog lovers turned on their former most favorite poster Robert Crim when after KILLING his Wonder Dog Fritz, he studied my methods to train my student Rollie. Robert and his Mrs. have NEVER needed to physically scold or punish or choke their Wits’ End Trained Dog. My students get 100% total non force control in days. Nevyn came here with 2 pbx bitches who were hurtin each other and fighting other dogs. Took him 24 days flat to totally turn his dogs around using NOTHIN BUT PRAISE and DISTRACTION. My methods work like MAGICK and all my students achieve any level of proficiency in any utility they desire. Everything our dog lovers tell us about training dogs is dangerous to humans and dogs, and the DEAD DOGS our expert have to show for their efforts are prima fascia evidence. My students do not hurt and kill their dogs.There is no way to give an effective correction using fear force or repression that doesn’t trigger opposition and animosity. Our dog lovers do not hurt dogs to train them. They hurt dog to satisfy their emotional needs to feel powerful, to compensate for their defective egos, inferiority complexes, and weak minds. – Hide quoted text — Show quoted text —— Original Message —– I just had a nice talk with the man who invented the "doggiedoright" device; he told me that if you tell him that I sent you he’ll knock $25 off the $99.95 price. If you know someone working at a shelter etc who wants to quieten the dogs in the neighborhood then this is an ideal present for them – and he will sell it at a discount.  He sounds like someone we all know who has no sense at all about money.  Nice, nice man. four locations at which the thing has worked, so I recommend it. Yap yap yap no more!  I have zero financial interest in this. George > We just installed a PetSafe brand fence this Spring. > Two dogs, two collars We now have one dog and no > collars. > Peach and Zelda would run thru the fence, not want to > come back in the yard and would run for days. The > last time, Peach didn’t come back home. > I used the Wit’s End Training Manual to learn how to > train my dog. She is now border trained. A few > minutes each day reinforces her desire to stay in the > yard. > She no longer runs out into the road, I can stop her > from chasing cats and she no longer cringes when we > walk around the yard. > I can not say loud or long enough how much I hate the > e-fence and its collars. If you can’t get a regular fence > then you need to train your dog. I will never rely on an > electronic collar to keep my dog in our yard again. > The price was too high:-( > ~misty > I don’t now whether Peach is dead or alive. I do know she’s not here > with us. I really can’t blame anyone here for her loss. I’m the one > who ignored your advice. I did it because of how you write/wrote. I > was unwilling to accept the idea that my using a shock collar could have > any bearing on Peach not wanting to stay home. Up until I started using > it my main concern had been keeping my dogs in their own yard. Once I > started using the e-fence…well, then my concern became how to keep > them from running off for days on end. > I lost valuable training time becoming embroiled in the anti-shock > debate and the "Jerry sux" tirades. > I lost one dog but I have the bestest dog in the world now <g> A Wits > End Trained dog, one who is completely housetrained, doesn’t chew up > stuff, stays in the yard, and doesn’t bark all the time. IOW a great > companion and friend. > Thanks Jerry! > Hey, do like me, and killfile Jerry. > He has millions of people aleady reading his posts and > watching him extract his soggy  foot out of his mouth! > Out of these MILLIONS, I’ve only seen 2 naive childs > come forward and actually believe in his training manual. > Robert Crim writes: > I assume that I and my wife are those two naive childs since > I freely admit to having read and, I hope, understood enough > of the manual and it’s counterparts by John Fisher and the > posts of Marilyn Rammell to believe and use it.  This naive > child would like to say thank you to both Jerry and Marilyn for > putting up with a constant barrage of really infantile crap at > the hands of supposedly adult dog lovers. > The other naive child (LSW) has to put up with the nagging > idea that if people like them had been posting earlier, maybe > we would not have had to hold the head of a really > magnificent animal in our arms while he was given the > needle and having to hug him and wait until he gasped > his last gasp. > To my mind, "naive" is believing you can terrorize a dog into > good behavior.  Naive is believing that people that hide > behind fake names are more honest than people that use > their real names.  Naive is thinking that dilettante dog > breeders and amateur "trainers" like Joey (lyingdogDUMMY, > j.h.) are the equal or better than those that have studied and > lived by their craft for decades. > "Stupid" is believing that people do not see kindergarten > level insults for what they are.   Really stupid is believing that > people like Jerry Howe and Marilyn Rammell are going to > just go away because you people act like fools.  Why do you > act like fools?  I really have no idea, and I don’t really care. > admit to buying and having success with his little black > box. > I think I’m going to get one myself for Father’s day and take > it down to the Animal Shelter for their use and testing.  You > would never believe the results, so you’ll never know. > Anyone by now that doesn’t see a scam man coming by > Jerry’s posts deserves to get what is sure to be coming to > him! LOL! > I don’t see a "scam man", so I guess I and Longsuffering > Wife and Rollei will just have to get what we deserve, eh? > As Joey (Dogman) says, "poor Rollei."…….right. >Terri > Yes it was, and that is sad. > Robert, Longsuffering Wife and Rollei (do I get to listen to the box > first?) > I moved to Jacksonville, Florida about a year ago with my lovely wife < snip horror story > > Listen to this…My wife wrote one of the so called know it all of > pets. His response to the exact letter we initially wrote to > Jerry…"Get rid of the dog, bring her back" I’ll save this person > embarrassment by not saying the name. However, you know who you are > and I have this to say to you. Go pump gas or bus tables because you > sir, do not belong working with animals! > Jerry, after reading some of the threads in the news group, I can’t > for the life of me understand why this many people are so dang blind > or ignorant. > You just keep plugging away at what you do, because you my friend are > a life saver!!! > Anytime you need someone to speak about the results of your product, > you have my number. We would gladly talk to them. > Thank you very much for all your help. God bless you… > Anthony & Linda Testa > Jacksonville, Florida Sent: Friday, December 14, 2001 11:42 AM I just wanted to take a bit of time to tell you how much I appreciate your product and your training methods as well. When my little Chihuahua first arrived I was overwhelmed with her anxiety and her ability to just Bark endlessly. I received your product and at first I thought I was using it wrong, because my puppy just seemed to ignore it. But after a week or two, she began to calm down considerably as well as act more friendly towards people on the street. I can’t believe the difference I see in my little puppy. Your product is a life saver! Thanks again for everything. Sincerely, Regina Guerrero

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> Someone should maybe tell you that posting large chunks of messages in > CAPITALS is generally considered to be the sign of a SPAMMER or a > CRACKPOT. It also makes messages MUCH harder to READ, like SHOUTING > occasional words while TALKING. > Just thought YOU’D like to KNOW. > Don’t worry about Jerry, Marcus.  Just think about it this way: > the time he spends on the internet annoying people is that much > less time dogs have to be subjected to him. > kassa

> Thanks Tricia9999, that was an interesting read!  Course my little > gray box seems to be working… Buddy stopped biting the baby!  No > negative side-effects seen occurring…not to the bird, the other bird or > Zelda. > ~misty

Newsgroups: rec.pets.dogs.behavior View: Complete Thread (271 articles) | Original Format After using Jerry’s training manual, I became curious about the Doggy Do Right (DDR) machine, and a few weeks ago I received one. I thought the group might be interested in some things I’ve noticed since using it.  (This is a bit of an understatement as I certainly expect a flurry of responses… most of them will probably be nasty. But we’ll see.) Anyway, at first I would leave it on only when I left the house, but one day I forgot and left it on all night.  My dogs used to wake me up between 8 and 8:30 a.m.  The morning after I left it on all night, they slept until 9:30 a.m.  At first I wondered why they had slept in so late, and then I noticed that the DDR was on. (And no, I’m not an early riser.)  :-) Now they consistently sleep until 9:30 or 10:00 a.m., unless I wake them up earlier.  One night the power went out, and the DDR was switched off.  They woke me around 8:30 that day. The second thing was something my husband noticed.  If the light on the DDR is flashing, it is in "rest" mode… when it’s solid, it is playing the program.  He came home, the dogs were doing their usual growl and "bitey face" rowdiness… when the machine’s light became solid (program on), they laid down in the same room with the machine.  Pepper even laid on her side and started taking a little nap. Often, I will see the dogs in the room with the DDR when the program is playing, usually around their nap time.  That is, they will nap in the same room as the machine and not in other areas of the house… even though their "preferred" sleeping spot at other times seems to be my bed. The last two things I’ve noticed have been with my 7 yr old Dalmatian, Beau.  He is normally terrified of thunderstorms, so much that he will try to crawl into my lap, or he will shake and shed hair everywhere. (Shedding hair is a symptom of stress I suppose… he does the same thing at the vet’s.)  On Sunday, we had a really severe thunderstorm, with hail, etc.  When the storm began, I turned the machine to play mode.  He laid on the floor next to where I was sitting.  He still didn’t want to let me get out of his sight, but his behavior was much improved from earlier episodes. The last thing has to do with Beau and the vacuum cleaner.  The surest way for me to clear him out of a room used to be for me to start vacuuming.  He’d race into another room and hide.  Now, he will stay in the same room.  He’s still wary of it, and leaves his "escape route" open, but he will stay in the same room while I’m using it, something he’s never done before. I’ve done no training to address these issues, but since using the DDR for approximately three weeks, these are some of the calmer behaviors that I’ve noticed. As I said, I’m sure this will create a storm.  May I say in advance, that only polite posts will be considered for a response by me. Regards, Lisa – Hide quoted text — Show quoted text -> I read up on rotties, pitbulls, etc., and quite a bit of the > literature suggested I needed to assert my dominance and "make > the dog earn everything it gets."  I tried this once or twice, just by > taking a stern tone of voice, and the results were terrible.  The pup > got scared and just wanted to stay away from me. > That’s why I support Jerry Howe and his FREE Wits’ End Dog > Training > manual — that and the fact that Jerry is an all-around great guy. > The core takeaway I got from Jerry’s manual is this: make yourself > the center of your puppy’s world — his personal Lord Jesus.  Never > give him a reason to fear you or think you’re angry.  Love the heck > out of him, and you’ll end up with a great dog. > This has truly worked with my puppy.  She’ll do anything I want > her to, if she understands, because she trusts me 100 percent, > and nothing is more important in her world than her relationship > with me. http://www.geocities.com/viscouspuppy > Charlie

– Hide quoted text — Show quoted text -> We just installed a PetSafe brand fence this Spring.  Two dogs, > two collars We now have one dog and no collars. > Peach and Zelda would run thru the fence, not want to come back > in the yard and would run for days.  The last time, Peach didn’t > come back home. > I used the Wit’s End Training Manual to learn how to train my dog. > She is now border trained.  A few minutes each day reinforces > her desire to stay in the yard. She no longer runs out into the > road, I can stop her from chasing cats and she no longer cringes > when we walk around the yard. > I can not say loud or long enough how much I hate the e-fence > and its collars.  If you can’t get a regular fence then you need to > train your dog.  I will never rely on an electronic collar to keep my > dog in our yard again.  The price was too high:-( > ~misty

– Hide quoted text — Show quoted text -> Jerry has taken the time to help me out off the NG.  I have a very > loud cockatoo who has been having problems adjusting to my 8 > month old son. > Joey is learning to walk.  He likes to use Buddy’s cage as a hold on > for dear life object. > Buddy wasn’t exposed to toddlers prior to Joey.. my older two boys went > through this stage in a different house where Buddy had his own room > and the boys had only visits, not daily contact 24/7. > Buddy has always been spooked by "tiny" humans.  Joey has been driving > him nuts!  He showed his disapproval by non-stop screaming.  A > cockatoo scream can be heard a block away with all the widows > shut <g>  being in the house it makes your ears pop and your nerves > crawl. > Jerry sent me Free his DDR.  He sent instructions on how to use it. > He answered my questions quite politely. > I have been using the DDR in my kitchen ( where Buddy is located~ > teensy 4 room house) for 3 weeks. > At first I noticed no difference in Buddy’s behavior.  Then I realized > after a week that he no longer screamed for hours on end.  This isn’t > to say he stopped completely <bg>  he still demands his share of all > meals. But he doesn’t start screaming at 10 pm when he wants >  _everyone_ to go to bed. > Last week he had a day where he screamed all day.  My nerves were > frazzled.  I went to turn the DDR up a notch per Jerry’s instructions. > I discovered the DDR was shut off!  I turned it back on and left it on > the lowest setting.  Buddy calmed back down and quit screaming. > In the time that I’ve had the DDR on I’ve had a lot of c*ts come to my > house.  One I adopted and he’s quite the sweetie.  He’s a yellow tiger > named Gatomon ( means c*t monster) who is very friendly with my kids > and Zelda. > I may not like how Jerry treats other posters but I do like the > methods he shares.  Being on a limited budget I like things that are > free.  I also  like the fact that I can e-mail him and get advice whenever >  I need it. > Even my DH who is a technical minded kind of guy thinks the DDR is > working.  ( He went to Devry and has a degree in electronics, knows > alot about radios and anything mechanical… he’s a jack of all trades > around the house <g>).  He does NDT for a living. > We don’t expect to need the DDR forever..  As soon as Joey is walking, > Buddy will realize that he’s not a strange animal.. some kind of > furless dog or c*t <bg>. > So, yes,  there are some of us out here who do appreciate Jerry’s > methods if not his condemnation of other "regulars".  Honey, flies > that sort of thing…. > ~misty

Doggy Do Right and Jerry Howe I just recently looked at this newsgroup and I found it incredible. I do have a Doggy Do Right and have had it for about one year. It truly does work – at least on my Dobe, Chelsea. Chelsea was the unhappy recipient of several failed attempts at obedience training, both in a "class" environment and with a personal trainer. She is very high spirited and strong and, unfortunately, spoiled, since we are an older couple who doted on our dog. We were lucky enough to find Jerry Howe and to not only buy a Doggy Do Right, but to also have him personally work with Chelsea. His methods are wonderful and effective. Chelsea is not a dog that you will bully, and I wouldn’t dream of hurting her. After Jerry spent time with her, she no longer jumped on furniture, ate food off the counter, pulled me incessantly on the leash. She is calmer and we are all happier. Well, it is a very long story and I won’t bore you with all the details, but suffice it to say that Jerry Howe saved the day for our dog and for us. Marge Hoffman.  (REWARD PAID BY DW.) P.S. You can send me … read more »

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– Hide quoted text — Show quoted text -> Someone should maybe tell you that posting large chunks of messages in > CAPITALS is generally considered to be the sign of a SPAMMER or a > CRACKPOT. It also makes messages MUCH harder to READ, like SHOUTING > occasional words while TALKING. > Just thought YOU’D like to KNOW. > Don’t worry about Jerry, Marcus.  Just think about it this way: > the time he spends on the internet annoying people is that much > less time dogs have to be subjected to him. > kassa

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> Someone should maybe tell you that posting large chunks of messages in > CAPITALS is generally considered to be the sign of a SPAMMER or a > CRACKPOT. It also makes messages MUCH harder to READ, like SHOUTING > occasional words while TALKING. > Just thought YOU’D like to KNOW.

Don’t worry about Jerry, Marcus.  Just think about it this way: the time he spends on the internet annoying people is that much less time dogs have to be subjected to him. kassa

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– Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – Jerry >Hello People, >While the war over Nature Vs Nurture still continues, let’s not >allow minor PHILOSOPHICAL differences of OPINION to >obscure the scientific FACTS we have established about the >way we (all mammal brains) think and learn. > Someone should maybe tell you that posting large chunks of messages in > CAPITALS is generally considered to be the sign of a SPAMMER or a > CRACKPOT. It also makes messages MUCH harder to READ, like SHOUTING > occasional words while TALKING. > Just thought YOU’D like to KNOW. > — > Marcus L. Rowland

Not really Marcus. You interested in dogs?  Here’s a couple words from my students:

– Hide quoted text — Show quoted text -> I read up on rotties, pitbulls, etc., and quite a bit of the > literature suggested I needed to assert my dominance and "make > the dog earn everything it gets."  I tried this once or twice, just by > taking a stern tone of voice, and the results were terrible.  The pup > got scared and just wanted to stay away from me. > That’s why I support Jerry Howe and his FREE Wits’ End Dog > Training > manual — that and the fact that Jerry is an all-around great guy. > The core takeaway I got from Jerry’s manual is this: make yourself > the center of your puppy’s world — his personal Lord Jesus.  Never > give him a reason to fear you or think you’re angry.  Love the heck > out of him, and you’ll end up with a great dog. > This has truly worked with my puppy.  She’ll do anything I want > her to, if she understands, because she trusts me 100 percent, > and nothing is more important in her world than her relationship > with me.  http://www.geocities.com/viscouspuppy > Charlie

– Hide quoted text — Show quoted text -> We just installed a PetSafe brand fence this Spring.  Two dogs, > two collars We now have one dog and no collars. > Peach and Zelda would run thru the fence, not want to come back > in the yard and would run for days.  The last time, Peach didn’t > come back home. > I used the Wit’s End Training Manual to learn how to train my dog. > She is now border trained.  A few minutes each day reinforces > her desire to stay in the yard. She no longer runs out into the > road, I can stop her from chasing cats and she no longer cringes > when we walk around the yard. > I can not say loud or long enough how much I hate the e-fence > and its collars.  If you can’t get a regular fence then you need to > train your dog.  I will never rely on an electronic collar to keep my > dog in our yard again.  The price was too high:-( > ~misty

– Hide quoted text — Show quoted text -> Jerry has taken the time to help me out off the NG.  I have a very > loud cockatoo who has been having problems adjusting to my 8 > month old son. > Joey is learning to walk.  He likes to use Buddy’s cage as a hold on > for dear life object. > Buddy wasn’t exposed to toddlers prior to Joey.. my older two boys went > through this stage in a different house where Buddy had his own room > and the boys had only visits, not daily contact 24/7. > Buddy has always been spooked by "tiny" humans.  Joey has been driving > him nuts!  He showed his disapproval by non-stop screaming.  A > cockatoo scream can be heard a block away with all the widows shut <g> > being in the house it makes your ears pop and your nerves crawl. > Jerry sent me Free his DDR.  He sent instructions on how to use it. > He answered my questions quite politely. > I have been using the DDR in my kitchen ( where Buddy is located~ > teensy 4 room house) for 3 weeks. > At first I noticed no difference in Buddy’s behavior.  Then I realized > after a week that he no longer screamed for hours on end.  This isn’t > to say he stopped completely <bg>  he still demands his share of all > meals. But he doesn’t start screaming at 10 pm when he wants _everyone > _ to go to bed. > Last week he had a day where he screamed all day.  My nerves were > frazzled.  I went to turn the DDR up a notch per Jerry’s instructions. > I discovered the DDR was shut off!  I turned it back on and left it on > the lowest setting.  Buddy calmed back down and quit screaming. > In the time that I’ve had the DDR on I’ve had a lot of c*ts come to my > house.  One I adopted and he’s quite the sweetie.  He’s a yellow tiger > named Gatomon ( means c*t monster) who is very friendly with my kids > and Zelda. > I may not like how Jerry treats other posters but I do like the > methods he shares.  Being on a limited budget I like things that are > free. I also  like the fact that I can e-mail him and get advice whenever > I need it. > Even my DH who is a technical minded kind of guy thinks the DDR is > working.  ( He went to Devry and has a degree in electronics, knows > alot about radios and anything mechanical… he’s a jack of all trades > around the house <g>).  He does NDT for a living. > We don’t expect to need the DDR forever..  As soon as Joey is walking, > Buddy will realize that he’s not a strange animal.. some kind of > furless dog or c*t <bg>. > So, yes,  there are some of us out here who do appreciate Jerry’s > methods if not his condemnation of other "regulars".  Honey, flies > that sort of thing…. > ~misty

> Hey, do like me, and killfile Jerry. > He has millions of people aleady reading his posts and > watching him extract his soggy  foot out of his mouth! > Out of these MILLIONS, I’ve only seen 2 naive childs > come forward and actually believe in his training manual. Robert Crim writes:

I assume that I and my wife are those two naive childs since I freely admit to having read and, I hope, understood enough of the manual and it’s counterparts by John Fisher and the posts of Marilyn Rammell to believe and use it.  This naive child would like to say thank you to both Jerry and Marilyn for putting up with a constant barrage of really infantile crap at the hands of supposedly adult dog lovers. The other naive child (LSW) has to put up with the nagging idea that if people like them had been posting earlier, maybe we would not have had to hold the head of a really magnificent animal in our arms while he was given the needle and having to hug him and wait until he gasped his last gasp. To my mind, "naive" is believing you can terrorize a dog into good behavior.  Naive is believing that people that hide behind fake names are more honest than people that use their real names.  Naive is thinking that dilettante dog breeders and amateur "trainers" like Joey (lyingdogDUMMY, j.h.) are the equal or better than those that have studied and lived by their craft for decades. "Stupid" is believing that people do not see kindergarten level insults for what they are.   Really stupid is believing that people like Jerry Howe and Marilyn Rammell are going to just go away because you people act like fools.  Why do you act like fools?  I really have no idea, and I don’t really care. > admit to buying and having success with his little black > box.

I think I’m going to get one myself for Father’s day and take it down to the Animal Shelter for their use and testing.  You would never believe the results, so you’ll never know. > Anyone by now that doesn’t see a scam man coming by > Jerry’s posts deserves to get what is sure to be coming to > him! LOL!

I don’t see a "scam man", so I guess I and Longsuffering Wife and Rollei will just have to get what we deserve, eh? As Joey (Dogman) says, "poor Rollei."…….right. >Terri

Yes it was, and that is sad. Robert, Longsuffering Wife and Rollei (do I get to listen to the box first?) Hello People, Robert Crim was a former Gang Of Thugs Member, and hated me a much as the rest of our Thugs do. Robert was a long time friend and prominent contributor to rpdb, till Jerry came along and smartened him up. He learned the hard way, and no longer posts to his former pals, because it is just too painful knowing his pals would rather HURT and KILL their dogs than to admit that JERRY is RIGHT. Doggy Do Right and Jerry Howe I just recently looked at this newsgroup and I found it incredible. I do have a Doggy Do Right and have had it for about one year. It truly does work – at least on my Dobe, Chelsea. Chelsea was the unhappy recipient of several failed attempts at obedience training, both in a "class" environment and with a personal trainer. She is very high spirited and strong and, unfortunately, spoiled, since we are an older couple who doted on our dog. We were lucky enough to find Jerry Howe and to not only buy a Doggy Do Right, but to also have him personally work with Chelsea. His methods are wonderful and effective. Chelsea is not a dog that you will bully, and I wouldn’t dream of hurting her. After Jerry spent time with her, she no longer jumped on furniture, ate food off the counter, pulled me incessantly on the leash. She is calmer and we are all happier. Well, it is a very long story and I won’t bore you with all the details, but suffice it to say that Jerry Howe saved the day for our dog and for us. Marge Hoffman.  (REWARD PAID BY DW.) P.S. You can send me the reward money, but I won’t sell you my DDR! And here’s one from me: !CAUTION! Dog abusing lying Thugs. Enter at your own peril! You are responsible for your own loss of credibility and damages to careers and reputations resultant from being exposed and discredited. Proceed at your own risk. This is a violence free zone. Violators will be subject to prolonged emotional, social and professional punishment and will be pursued to … read more »

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>Hello People, >While the war over Nature Vs Nurture still continues, let’s not >allow minor PHILOSOPHICAL differences of OPINION to >obscure the scientific FACTS we have established about the >way we (all mammal brains) think and learn.

Someone should maybe tell you that posting large chunks of messages in CAPITALS is generally considered to be the sign of a SPAMMER or a CRACKPOT. It also makes messages MUCH harder to READ, like SHOUTING occasional words while TALKING. Just thought YOU’D like to KNOW. — Marcus L. Rowland (for Sam Snake & Cornelia, Murphy & Cobb) "Boy… _These_ things are a cinch!" [God makes the snake - Gary Larson] Forgotten Futures – The Scientific Romance Role Playing Game http://www.ffutures.demon.co.uk/   http://www.forgottenfutures.com/

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Hello People, While the war over Nature Vs Nurture still continues, let’s not allow minor PHILOSOPHICAL differences of OPINION to obscure the scientific FACTS we have established about the way we (all mammal brains) think and learn. So as not to sound like our esteemed professor lyingdoc dermer, (who punishes the behavior and NOT the dog [talk about INCREDULOUS!]), what I’m getting at is, that the BEST, the MOST EFFECTIVE, the MOST PROFICIENT, the MOST EXPEDIENT methods of getting a dog to do ANYTHING you ask the first time, every time, are those which do not conflict with the dogs’ innate behavior, do not confront or challenge a dog BECAUSE of his behavior, and do not provoke ANIMOSITY, MISTRUST, FEAR, AGGRESSION, STRESS, PAIN, AVERSION, and ADVERSION, a lowly life condition caused by ANY of the preceding. The often tragic RESULTS of FORCE and CONFRONTATION in "training" are entirely PREDICTABLE . We hear our "expert" advisors here tell us that dogs must be HURT and FORCED to do "advanced" work…Except for a couple of "clicker" trainers here, THEY ALL CHOKE, JERK, CONFRONT, INTIMIDATE, CHALLENGE, and PROVOKE DOGS to train them, including shocking, pinching and twisting ears and toes, BEATING a tied Retriever Dog for not making a retrieve he can’t possibly reach cause he’s TIED, and HANGING dogs to REHABILITATE them. And shocking and beating dogs IN ADVANCE to keep them HONEST. That’s HOWE it’s done, it says so in the books, and most of the experts here agree… And their evidence their dogs LOVE it, is the excited expressions their dogs exhibit when their pronged spiked pinch choke and shock collars come out. That happy display is SHEER TERROR. The standard approach to forcing behaviors causes stress and anxiety that inhibit the dog’s ability to think, rationalize, learn, remember, and solve problems Fear, force, confrontation, punishment, and physical or mental duress limits the dogs’ scope and function, by REPRESSING the dog’s natural, innate, instinctive, normal behaviors, and YOU cause him to LOSE confidence IN YOU, as YOU contradict Nature… Well, the "experts" HERE like to say "that’s HOWE it’s DONE, that’s HOWE it’s ALWAYS been DONE, and that it WORKS." They do not acknowledge their FAILURES. Those dogs are KILLED, and the dog’s failure is blamed on BAD BREEDING or that the "trainer" was NOT SEVERE ENOUGH. They call that consistency. We’ve got LOTS of euphemisms for technical terms like hit, slap, choke, shock, hurt, punish, and inflict pain, that would turn your stomach if they said what they actually mean. See the thread on "definitions of punishment, if you want to see a bunch of people changing the meanings of words and their own statements, as the need to disavow and cover up the truth dictates. They TRY to say that to NOT punish and confront behaviors means ALLOWING the behaviors to go unaddressed. That’s intended to scare and confuse YOU. They talk about liability and risk to scare you into doing atrocious things to your dog disguised as training. Avoiding behavior problems is NOT the objective of TRAINING, is it? Training DICTATES that behaviors will be changed, conditioned, extinguished, learned, cued, and appropriately CONTROLLED, in a manner that will MOTIVATE the dog to PERFORM MORE WORK in order to ELICIT more PLEASURE as OPPOSED to AVOIDING MORE PAIN. The nature of this TEAMWORK ENHANCES the bond with the trainer, while TEACHING the dog to OFFER more and more APPROPRIATE and MORE COMPLEX BEHAVIORS… You can’t accomplish that with force, People. These dogs KNOW WHO is HURTING them, and they don’t like it one bit. That’s WHY other more serious behavior problems often REPLACE behaviors we REPRESS through fear and force and confinement. A force trained dog IS ONLY RELIABLE while the ENFORCER is present… "When the cat’s away" ALWAYS applies, unless the dog is TAUGHT to want to respond in the desired manner, AND IS NOT DOING so ONLY under duress… Why do "trainers" insist on HURTING dogs to train or "control" them? Because they DO NOT KNOW any better…, that’s why. YOU have an advantage THEY NEVER HAD… THEY were taught what THEY are trying to teach YOU, and NOBODY was there to tell US any different. NOW I’m here, and YOU don’t NEED to make the mistakes that I identified over thirty years ago that run rampant through the standard approaches to training and behavior modification centered around FACETIOUS and FAULTY theories as the ALPHA / DOMINANCE tripe, SUBJUGATION, OPPRESSION, ATTRITION (to quote lying frossssty dahl), PAIN and FORCED CONTROL. These misconceived ideas JUSTIFY those IGNORANT trainers’ use of INSANE AGGRESSION in their WAR to DOMINATE and "CONTROL" man’s best friend…HOWE can they expect their dog to WANT to perform for THEM, when they HURT him? If cavemen treated dogs the way OUR "EXPERTS" do, we’d never have domesticated the dog, WOULD WE? Here on rpdb we’ve got a preponderance of ABUSIVE control freaks who enjoy hurting dogs because it compensates for their pathological emotional disorders having to do with compensating for their own fragile ego’s, weak minds’, and personal skeleton closets…Some of them are truly SADISTS, others are simply VICTIMS of the party line, like you and me… All of them take basic truths and distort them and ignore the RISKS OF RUINING DOGS TEMPERAMENTS and KILLING them, because they are DRIVEN by their mistaken ideas about CONTROL and DOMINANCE… These are NONEXISTENT issues to the dog, so long as WE conduct ourselves as CIVILIZED HUMAN BEINGS and DEMONSTRATE appropriate behavior and PROPER LEADERSHIP, and DON’T make a big commotion over innate, normal, natural, instinctive, behaviors that can easily be changed using INTELLIGENT, NON FORCE, NON VIOLENT, NON CONFRONTATIONAL, scientific and psychological conditioning and deconditioning methods… Most dog behavior problems seem to focus on control issues. In order to GET control, we must NOT TRY to be controlling, we must allow behaviors to manifest, so we can redirect them appropriately and TEACH the control we want…It takes MOMENTS, and the results last a lifetime. The dog must learn to DEVELOP SELF CONTROL, and he CAN’T DO THAT if someone is busting his hump every time they interact with him… EVEN ONCE IS TOO MUCH! Animals were put here to serve US in ANY fashion WE SEE FIT. Would that EVERYONE should SEE FIT to treat and handle their dogs with the consideration and respect DICTATED in the FREE Wits’ End Dog Training Method. We were given dominion over animals BECAUSE we ARE SUPPOSED to have a bigger BRAIN, NOT BECAUSE WE’VE GOT BIGGER TEETH… Force trainers would have YOU fight with YOUR dog like a scrapping pack of wild dogs FIGHTING for ALPHA position, until they are thoroughly SUBJUGATED and DOMINATED, OR until someone is BITTEN and the dog is "disposed of." . The predictable side effect of that is approximately 10% of the dogs will be KILLED because DOMINANT dogs will not allow themselves to be DOMINATED… Does THAT explain WHY this is not a PHILOSOPHICAL discussion between CHOICES of APPROPRIATE or QUESTIONABLE training methods, and PUTS THE CARDS RIGHT ON THE TABLE??? Do you want to draw an Ace of Spades for your dog because YOU chose to IGNORE the predictable outcome of challenging and repressing dog behaviors? The force trainers here will insist that the NON FORCE trainers CANNOT get the levels of expediency from their dogs in a working situation… That’s false, my dogs WORK doing REAL JOBS where the judge of competency is life or death, not points in a ring. But they’ll come up with foolish arguments about field trials and points and ridiculous scenarios to "prove" they are right. Clicker training has only recently become popular. As the clicker crowd grows and gets experience working their dogs in the field and show trails, they will undoubtedly excel and prove themselves superior, just as their movement has been getting it’s rightful acknowledgement from the show and field trainers. HOWEVER, clicker training HAS LIMITATIONS. It is good for "training" a behavior, but does not address MALBEHAVIORS in an EXPEDIENT FASHION, nor does it challenge the dog to THINK AND LEARN, because he is only reacting to a cue for a small part of a behavior in a bigger course of events. That limits the dog’s ability to conceptualize and generalize behaviors… That’s because they are not using ALL of the information they NEED, the INFORMATION that is available for free in your FREE Wits’ End Dog Training Method manual. That dogs trained through non force methods are not RELIABLE is patently UNTRUE, as has been PROVEN by the growing trend of MILITARY and POLICE organizations WORLDWIDE, that have recently CHANGED and have done away with force training methods BECAUSE THEY AGREE that FORCE TRAINING KILLS TOO MANY DOGS…and ONLY THE BEST DOGS are in that 10% of CASUALTIES. Is YOUR dog one of those 10%??? Want to find out the hard way? HOWE much fear, force, confrontation, or punishment IS acceptable? TRY NONE, just for starters, and allow NONE to finish up with… We do not need "dog trainers" to tell us to HURT dogs, we need dog trainers to TEACH us HOWE to get OUR dogs to WANT to do ANYTHING WE ASK…without HURTING and KILLING them. What we have happening NOW, is a few of the "experts" who are offended by THEIR OWN ACTIONS, trying once again to mislead YOU into believing that I am the one that is on the wrong track… They misquote and take my words out of context and LIE, in order to protect themselves from further SCRUTINY…That has been their MODUS OPERANDI for years, criticizing COMPETENT trainers in an effort to frustrate their efforts and make them leave so they THEMSELVES won’t LOOK like the KIND of ABUSIVE CRETINS they indeed are… Don’t let them fool YOU. Don’t forget, I’m NOT the one telling YOU to hurt your dogs, and I DO have viable METHODS to accomplish ALL of your training needs and desires, WITHOUT FEAR, FORCE, CONFRONTATION, AND … read more »

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> Which brings me to the point – many local HS and SPCAs have Humane Officers. > If there is a case of on-going abuse, your best bet may be to ask for their > help in putting together a case that is strong enough for law enforcement to > act on.

Yeah… bear that in mind… be afraid. Be very afraid. j;~} – Hide quoted text — Show quoted text -> Lynn K.

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> What city, state and police department were involved here?  Just curious, as > I had a similar incident and the police refused to do anything, or even > consider that a crime had been committed.

Sometimes it’s very difficult to determine that a human caused an injury to an animal, and without evidence, impossible to prosecute.  Like the tragedy of Claire, all that can be determined is that the poor dog was found in her yard with a broken back.  A human jumping the fence and using a 2×4 as a weapon has to be speculation without things like fence boards damaged inwards and the 2×4 (with dog hair) laying on the ground.  Even with those things present, there really isn’t much that can be done except take a report if an individual can’t be identified to be charged.  It really is tragic.  It’s hard enough to get convictions when it’s a case of an owner and their own animal and there’s tons of evidence.  Unknown stranger abuse is many times more difficult.  I’m working on a case right now where a horse is being abused in a stable where many people have access to the barn day & night.  There’s no way law enforcement can devote resources to collecting evidence to solve this one and even with several volunteers involved, I’m very doubtful that our Humane Society will be able to develop enough to have anyone charged. Which brings me to the point – many local HS and SPCAs have Humane Officers. If there is a case of on-going abuse, your best bet may be to ask for their help in putting together a case that is strong enough for law enforcement to act on. Lynn K.

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In situations like this, contact the newspaper, get local reporters out there.  More people are enraged by animals getting hurt than by kids or elderly. *theres a really bad incident that happened here in town a few years ago, but that should be saved for another thread* However the outcome was that no one cared as much about the family as they did about the pup involved. Newpapers have a tendency to do more for what you need done than the police could.  It is the voice of the middle class if you know how to use it properly.

– Hide quoted text — Show quoted text -> I’m very sorry to hear of your loss. > What city, state and police department were involved here?  Just curious, as > I had a similar incident and the police refused to do anything, or even > consider that a crime had been committed.

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> Last March an unknown S.O.B. hopped my fence (gates locked) and broke my > dog’s back with a 2X4. > Claire was not a pure breed. She was not a barker either. She only wanted > someone to pet or snuggle with her 24/7. I haven’t gotten another dog > because I just don’t feel that I can deal with it yet. My heart goes out to > all of you who have lost a pet like Claire. She was a true friend. Jan

Hello Jan, I feel sad for your grief. Maybe our pet loss grief CONseller ed w will have some soothing words… Meanwhile, read the following post, and realize HOWE fortunate you are that some marauder killed your dog, instead of your training methods killing her, like has happened to so many dogs who’ve come here for help, and got locked in boxes, choked, shocked, beaten, twisted, pinched, hung, and executed like Summer is fixing to be done now, if she’s not dead already: Hello People, Hello tara,

> Hello Tara,

 > > You probably have Jerry killfiled, but this is something you > need to read. Timeouts will solve no dog behavior problems, > and the dog who comes out of the crate will often be worse > than the one who went in. Timeouts are only good for extreme > circumstances when you aren’t in a position to deal with > your dog(s). What you need to do is put yourself in a > position to deal with your dog. That takes a plan. Jerry’s > got a plan. I suggest you try it with an open mind. You’ve > got nothing to lose. > this is michael > reporting live… > from the faster loading > http://dogtv.com > Michael, > The time-outs I use have indeed worked.

Yes, they’ve increased her anxiety and taught her everything that upsets her will be punished with more confinement and more anxiety, and that’s why she’s completely out of control now.  These little stress things acculmulate, and do not expiate without work. > They also only range in time from 5-15 minutes.

Don’t matter, the moment you say "ok, time out," you’ve compromised yourself and the anxiety syndrome begins. Five minutes CRATED for PUNISHMENT is all it takes to make her hyper. There’s no worst punishment for a dog than being ostracized from his pack. This threatens his SURVIVAL. > When I crated her for 4 hours it was because there was no way to deal > with her in the situation for that time.

Because you don’t know appropriate handling techniques. > There were children in the house and a man out back.

And a Thug in control… > There was no where to take her.

So now it’s the Bridge. > She also didn’t understand that what she did was wrong.

Right. That’s cause dogs don’t do WRONG. They do DOG. That’s why I train dogs, not hurt, confront, confine, and kill them as you’ve been schooled >  I couldn’t take her out, put her back in the same situation, to try and reinforce > the idea that this behavior is bad.

EXACTLY. Because THAT would make her MOORE AGGRESSIVE. Every thing you’ve been taught is DEAD WRONG. > To have allowed her back out, while the same child was in the house, > could’ve been disastrous,

Of course, if you’re gonna try to repress and confront her, you’ll only make her moore shy or aggressive. Your problem is not Summer, your problem is the $#!TTY advice you’ve been following. > and would’ve been grounds for a lawsuit had something happened.

Yes, the FEAR card. A wise choice, unless you get Trumped with Jerry’s manual teaching you that all your methods and fears are caused by your mistaken approach to handling and training your dog. That’s why our experts tell you to killfile me. > In the exact same situation, what would you have done so differently?

According to the proven effective, fast, safe, non force, non confrontational, scientific and psychological techniques taught in my FREE Wits’ End Dog Training Method manual, you’d never have needed to ASK what we’d do differently. We wouldn’t have told you to choke and confine and confront and punish and scold your dog in the first place, THAT’S why you’re looking at KILLING your dog now. Otherwise, I’d be telling you to killfile our Thugs and not to listen to them and to read my manual. But I don’t say that. I say READ our Thugs. READ "intereseted in hearing," READ about my friends Robert Crim and Fritz, READ about steve walker and Sampson READ "my dog bit a kid" READ "dogs chasing horses" READ "my golden retriever bit the ups guy" READ "1 step forward" READ leah’s misadentures hurting Madigan and getting bitten twice and blaming it on coincidental accidents. READ YOUR OWN HISTORY HERE. > As for Jerry’s plan.

The one ed w of pet loss dot CON warned you about? The one professor lying doc "scruff shake" dermer told you to killfile? The one professora "chin cuff absolutely don’t mean slap" gingold told you to killfile? Ask her HOWE she got her teeth bashed down her throat by her own dog as a result of copying her abusive methods for making him pay attention to her? BWWWAHAHAHAAA!!! THAT’S WHY YOUR PALS GOT TO BE EXPOSED and DISCREDITED. > While I thank him for not being hostile with me, I don’t > agree that my crating this pup caused this problem,

Well that would certainly be a good start. And then you can deny the choke collar and punishment as being germane to you KILLING your dog by mishandling him. > or her fear of people.

That’s because of the mistaken way you’ve been taught to mishandle the lead and force control. > There are many well-respected, successful trainers who do use crates for > training and behavior modification, as well as for time-outs.

INDEED. And they also choke and shock and kill dogs and call that training. > This pup suffered anxiety from day 1,

EXACTLY. That’s why Jerry offers you his FREE, COMPREHENSIVE Wits’ End Dog Training Method manual and has NEVER KILLED a dog for behavior problems, because we don’t have behavior problems when we handle and train dogs WITHOUT FORCE, CONFRONTATION, PUNISHMENT, CHOKING, SHOCKING, OR ANY DAMNED THING YOU’VE BEEN TAUGHT by our self appointed experts who told you to provoke your dog on the 90% chance you could muscle and intimidate her into being NICE AND TRUSTING. > I certainly didn’t cause the problem.

Since day 1. Since day one I’ve been warning you the advice you’ve been following would bring you to this point. Same with your pal leah and Madigan, but like yourself, leah has convinced herself that getting bitten on her nose and finger were ACCIDENTS, just like you bums teach your dogs that getting choked on the end of your lead is AN ACCIDENT. > I have gone out of my way over the last 13 months to socialize Summer.

WITH YOUR CHOKING BRIBING AND CORRECTIONS? >  In fact, she has been more places, seen more people, and had more treats > offered to her than any other dog I’ve ever owned,

Jerry don’t give treats, they appeal to the lowest level of drive flow, the one that makes dogs turn on their owners when the chips are down. > and all of those dogs were well-adjusted and great socially.

Hell, you got a 90% chance even if you tie the dog in the yard for the first two years. At least being tied out and not punished is not going to make the dog PSYCHOTIC like you did in just a few months of mishandling Summer. > I will not send Jerry my pup.

You’d prefer to KILL her TO BE FAIR. > She has only ever accepted one other adult in he life and that is my

husband. Who’ve treated her with kindness and understanding and never told her NO or punished or scolded or provoked or punished other dogs or children in front of her, never raised their voice to her, never glared at her and pushed her away from them… Eh? > It took her 4 months to accept him.

Takes fifteen minutes to an hour to bond a new dog with us according to the scientific and psychological techniques in my FREE Wits’ End Dog Training Method manual. > To send her to a stranger,

An expert. The very best in the business. The specialist in temperament and behavior probelms. The expert who don’t choke, intimidate, and kill dogs??? > or even someone she knows but hasn’t trusted yet, would send her > spiraling even further backward and could cause her to just shut down > completely.

So you’d rather kill her than let her live a wonderful life in peace and harmony with Jerry and his problem dogs with similar backgrounds to Summer and our mentally maladjusted tara? > Even if the person weren’t Jerry, I wouldn’t rehome her, even for a > short time, she just couldn’t handle it.

Well, any of my students could do exactly the same as I offer. I could even teach YOU, were you not so unwilling to admit that Jerry is right, after you’ve been so rude to Jerry all along. He’s still willing to help you out in any way you desire… Want me to ask eddie about a special deal on a nice BRIDGE tee shirt for you? > Should you question my judgment,

The judgement that chose to believe ed w recommending koehler and to killfile Jerry because Jerry’s a liar, a thief, a con man, and Jerry’s trying to sell you his FREE, COMPREHENSIVE Wits’ End Dog Training Method manual? THAT JUDGEMENT??? > keep in mind that this is my pup,

Yeah. Like Fritz, Sampson, Madigan, Cubbe, "interested in hearin," "my dog bit a kid" "my golden retriever bit the ups guy." Kinda like them dogs, tara??? > I’ve raised  her from the time she was 3 months old,

NO. You’ve MISHANDLED her since day1. And you’ve ridiculed my advice. And NOW, it’s time to PAY the PIPER. > I know her behavior patterns and her > reactions better than anyone else in this world.

INDEED! You CAUSED them because you didn’t want to listen to Jerry because all of his advice was so different than the advice you got from the experts who lock dogs in boxes and shock and choke and beat and confront and kill dogs they can’t intimidate … read more »

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I’m very sorry to hear of your loss. What city, state and police department were involved here?  Just curious, as I had a similar incident and the police refused to do anything, or even consider that a crime had been committed.

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Last March an unknown S.O.B. hopped my fence (gates locked) and broke my dog’s back with a 2X4.  The police refused to even take a report until I had taken the dog to a vet. They thought I was telling them that the dog jumped my fence and got hit by a car! I found her in my yard just laying in the sun. When I called to her, she couldn’t even get up. Claire never did anything to hurt anyone. She was one of those dogs that you only find once in a lifetime. The police took a report and then did nothing. Because I have other animals, there were no prints to be found. I don’t have any enemies so that rules out revenge. Whoever did this to Claire was just a nut that wanted to have a little sick fun. After a fortune in vet bills (and I mean a fortune), we finally agreed that Claire was never going to walk again and would always need pain pills. It still breaks my heart whenever I think about her. We had her uthenized just over a month after this happened. Claire was not a pure breed. She was not a barker either. She only wanted someone to pet or snuggle with her 24/7. I haven’t gotten another dog because I just don’t feel that I can deal with it yet. My heart goes out to all of you who have lost a pet like Claire. She was a true friend. Jan

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Just filter the fool…GG – Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – > I don’t agree with hitting or abusing dogs to train them, but you difinately > have to find a better way to get your point across, cuase ya know what….its > obviously not wokring. People  woul dbe more apt to listening to your advice if > you didn’t come off as a jackass…..do you really think someone is going to > listen to you and and trust you after all your rude posts….I doubt it.  Take a > chill pill, and educate in a more low key fashion. I can guarentee you itwould > work. > I could guarentee you if you went to a newsgroup that didn’t know!! > (Keyword…no one has heard of you) Then you calmly told them your ideas and > asked for there thoughts, etc. Then when someone suggests, well I will hit my > dog to get him to do something.  Then you come in and say, but there are better > way, and I would be happy to explain. Not by putting a rude post out with all > these quotes from koehler and shit! You are basically giving people ideas with > that and promoting Koehler. > Also…enough with all the MOORE, and all your little code words and you damn > capitalizing every word….they don’t even make sense! > —– Original Message —– > Sent: Thursday, March 01, 2001 12:26 PM > ed. I wan’t you to prove all your false allegations. People are getting wise > to you and our Thugs, ed. Look around… BWWAHHAHAAAA!!! > Hello Nathan, > > Jerry- > > I have read part of your free book online and do think the information is > > interesting and I have tried a few things so far and they worked great. I > don’t > > have anything bad to say about your training method at all! > Thank you > > I will probably finish it sometime when I have more time. > Just ask if you have any questions or difficulty, I’m really quite patient > and hospitable, and FREE. That’s something I’ve always wanted to be able to > do, train dogs and not have to charge people for it, because it’s something > I love. > > The problem I have with you is cluttering the newsgroups, > CLUTTERING? I’m not cluttering. What I’m doing is JERRYIZING. It’s a tactic > I learned in my experience with Uncle Sam and Special and Psychological > warfare. I give credit to Ssg. Torres: "Piss poor planning makes for piss > poor performance. You’ll work for ME tonight," or quit and go to the back of > the > Conga line. > > having a need to bitch > If dog "exerts" weren’t hurting dogs, I wouldn’t NEED to bitch. If YOU were > able to recognize the improprieties going on in our forum, I wouldn’t need > to be here at all. You and other intelligent individuals would moniter the > EXPERTS for me… and I can get on with JERRYIZING somewhere else, like > where they LIVE and WORK. But in order to do that, I need to fully discredit > them HERE, where I have access to them all. For the first time in thirty > eight years, I’ve been able to level the playing field and snatch them all > up by their ears and give them a good twist all at once. I’ve been through > this countless times in real life, nose to nose with "trainers" like we’ve > got here. I KNOW all their tricks. > > at any and every post, and to coninue to act as immature as you are. > Our EXPERTS HURT DOGS AND LIE ABOUT IT. Complain to them. If they were > just HONEST enough to admit the truth, admit THAT’S ALL THEY KNOW, then I’d > have no NEED to BITCH, would I? SEE? Life gets pretty simple when you’re at > your Wits’ End. > > To tell you the truth, you could sell way more products > I’m not interested in SELLING my Doggy Do Right (and Kitty Will Too) on the > behavior news group. Mosto of my Doggy Do Right (and Kitty Will Too) owners > don’t even LIKE dogs. That’s why I’m promoting the Wits’ End Dog Training > Method manual here. It’s YOU and our Thugs who keep bitching that I’ve got a > wonderful product that SAVES DOGS LIVES, just like my methods do.  I’m > interested in EXPOSING, IDENTIFYING, and DISCREDITING our dog abusers. > Don’t forget, I’m a dog trainer first, inventor and businessman SECOND. And > that also means second to none. Everything I do is GUARRANTEED. > > with out demanding people to look at your website, > You got a better idea? That’s where the Wits’ End Dog Training Method manual > lives. It’s provided FREE, compliments of the BIOSOUND Scientific Elves. > > and if you would not act so childish. > You think it’s childish to try to stop these bums from HURTING dogs and > misleading people looking for HELP with SERIOUS problems? Dogs DIE > because of the "information" coming from our Gang Of Thugs. See the threads > "interested in hearing," "1 step forward," and any thread with Fritz, > Samson, definitions of PAIN in training, like with the recent "STICK" > Training, or any thread on poo eating… > Have you read your koehler today? I just got three koehler books outta the > library in case you’d like to discuss REAL dog training with me. Nobody else > seems eager to discuss it, except ron. And I thnk he’s embarrassed himself > outta here by now. READ the thread on the Saga of Annie and the heel > command. BWWWAHAHAHAHAAA!!! OUR OWN THUGS were BEGGING him to quit HURTING > her. BEGGING HIM. > > Your are truely a pain in the ass on the boards, > INDEED. I’m not going to allow this situation to continue without everyone > knowing and UNDERSATANDING they’re CONDONING bums like lyingdogDUMMY telling > Paul and Marty that he’d NEED to HURT their dogs > MOORE than they’d LIKE for eatin poo, digging holes, eating kat scat and > jumping fences. The more serious and life threatening the behaviors, the > more > blatant they are about HURTING the dog to train him "TO SAVE HIM FROM THE > NEEDLE." > That’s why they always tell us to hire a trainer who can SEE the behavior, > so he > can bulls$#!T guillible people into giving them their dogs to hurt for them, > and > empty as much cash outta their pockets as possible with redundant, time > consuming, ridiculous "methods" to "rehabilitate" dogs. When their "methods" > fail, > the dog DIES. Ask Samson, ask Fritz, and keep your eyes on Cubbe, she’s > DEAD MEAT if lia keeps mishandling her as she’s done from the git go… > under > the instruction of PROFESSIONALS like we got right here. > > I have on them for a while, and I can’t beleive how many people can’t > > stand you. > Perhaps that’s because they IDENTIFY with the bums I’ve EXPOSED and > DISCREDITED??? Hmm? I’ve got no problem with J.Q. Pubic who comes in here > all loused up because of some halfwit like lyingdogDUMMY taught him HOWE to > HURT a dog properly and now they got MOORE trouble. I don’t ridicule them. > But sometimes they don’t like to believe they’ve been misled by their pals > they train with every week and write to here. TOUGH. Get used to reality. > > From what I know its not because of your training tactics, > GLAD YOU MENTIONED THAT. It’s not MY methods they’re opposed to, it’s > ANY NON VIOLENT TRAINER WHO’S EVER POSTED HERE. I’m the only one > who can talk dog training with these bums without burning out defending NOT > HURTING dogs to train them. > Look up the posts of Marilyn Rammell, Canis55, Master_222, Parker, Aspiring > Trainer, Ray the vet tech, Ray the RSPCA guy, Colette the trainer from UK, > DougDogManger. You’ll SEE a consistant pattern of LIES and DECEPTIVE > discussions to DEFEND HURTING DOGS. These bums have been doing that for > years, till I recognized what’s up, and set out to stop them. > > but because you have no manners, > I don’t HURT dogs to train them. YOUR PALS DO. That’s why they’re bitching > about ME EXPOSING them. Seems to me you’re a little light on dog abusing > lying Thugs, and blaming ME for being RUDE to "experts" who NEED to HURT > dogs MOORE than we’d LIKE in order to train them for simple behavior > problems. cindymooreon has been BANNED from two obedience clubs. WHY? > > and you feel the need to interupt so many good threads. > IF there was good information, I wouldn’t NEED to "interrupt." Do you think > you can TRUST the judgement of some mental midget who NEEDS to HURT > dogs MOORE than we’d LIKE??? That’s what it sounds like to me. > > I think everyone knows about your damn website, so STOP THE > > ADVERTISING…which I must say I would NOT buy from you > You’d be lucky to get one from me, I’ve been backordered since day one. > > because your material sucks, but because your attitude does! > What exactly is it about my attitude you don’t like? Am I too unkindly to > dog abusing lying Thugs?  Or is it that you don’t think EVERYBODY can train > dogs WITHOUT hurting them? Or is it you think SOME dogs NEED to be HURT > MOORE than others? Speak up, chum. > Got to be one or the other. SEE HOWE SIMPLE life gets when your at Wits’ > End? > > Nathan > > P.S. Look at all the shit at the end of the message….why do you have to > > post all that crap……Is there a need to add a bunch of useless > information > > to EVERY FUCKING POST!!!?? > Which $#!T? There’s a lot of it there, and it’s there so YOU can read it. > Did you? Exactly WHICH $#!T offends you? I’m offended by ANY ACT OF > VIOLENCE disguised as "dog training." HOWE ABOUT YOU? > What BOTHERS ME AS MUCH, is our dog abusing thugs not being HONEST > enough to ADMIT they HURT and KILL dogs because they don’t know HOWE > NOT TO INFLICT PAIN to train them. > > "Nathan D. Olmscheid"

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> I’ve even been referred to the anti-bark collars, but > I really don’t want to go that route if I can break > him more humanely. But I’m going to have no > choice if he doesn’t stop soon. Please help! > Stephanie

I couldn’t find the original post, so I hope Stephanie got straightened out. But meanwhile, maybe I can set you straight. > Is the puppy in the crate for 8 hrs. a day while you are > at work?  If so, that is a long time for a 3 month old > puppy to be confined.

Confinement to a crate is usually the CAUSE of housebreaking and behavior problems. It is antithetical to everything sane and reasonable, it disregards EVERYTHING that Nature has provided regarding bonding, pack leadership, and controling our dogs. I’ve been over this MOORE times than I’d like… and the message STILL doesn’t sink in, because our "experts" here, are only concerned with forcing control and exerting their G-d Like "AUTHORITY," rather than TEACHING the dog to behave as they desire. > Doesn’t he bark during those 8 hrs.?  (The neighbors > probably ARE at  their wits’ end because of this.)

That’s HOWE COME I’m called Wits’ End Dog Training. Dogs become anxious when they are crated and isolated. That causes them to rely on anxiety relief mechanisms like hyperactivity, excessive barking, obsessive chewing, digging, whining, pacing, self-mutilation, and aggression… WE CAUSE OUR OWN DOG BEHAVIOR PROBLEMS AS A DIRECT RESULT OF OUR INAPPROPRIATE EFFORTS TO CONTROL THEM. > I have read somewhere if all else fails that the vet > can debark him.

INDEED. That WOULD solve the ANXIETY problem, WOULDN’T IT? If ALL ELSE FAILED, I wouldn’t be TEACHING people HOWE to train dogs, because I don’t take kindly, to LOSING. WHAT’S WRONG WITH YOUR THINKING? Dogs bark because SOMETHING’S NOT RIGHT. I teach people HOWE to MAKE THINGS RIGHT, so we don’t NEED to confine, confront, and remove dog’s body parts, beat them, and kill them, when we run out of INTELLECT. Ask yourself "WHY DOESN’T JERRY HURT DOGS TO TRAIN THEM?" And then just answer "BECAUSE JERRY KNOWS HOWE TO TRAIN DOGS WITHOUT HURTING THEM." And THEN SAY OUT LOUD: "IGNORE JERRY, HE’S MEAN TO DOG ABUSERS." You can get all the information you need to PROPERLY handle and train your dog using non force, non confronatational, scientific and psychological methods, in the Wits’ End Dog Training Method manual available for free at http://www.doggydoright.com The Wits’ End Dog Training Method manual is provided courtesy of  the BIOSOUND Scientific Elves as an alternative to Doggy Do Right (and Kitty Will Too). Your pal, Jerry "The PHONY," Howe

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Hello Nathan, > I don’t agree with hitting or abusing dogs to train them,

Of course not. You know it’s unnecessary and wrong. > but you difinately have to find a better way

I have. It’s all in the Wits’ End Dog Training Method manual available for FREE at http://www.doggydoright.com > to get your point across,

That’s why I QUOTE our lying, dog abusing Thugs. I QUOTE their methods and their denial of their own written words. > cuase ya know what….

Yeah, I do. I’ve been in this business for thirty eight years. I’ve retrained countless dogs abused by PROFESSIONAL trainers like we’ve got here. > its obviously not wokring.

What’s not working? I’d say it’s working exactly as I’d expected. This isn’t something that started when I came onto this Gang Of Thugs. This has been their M.O. since the group first organized. They’re predominantely koehler trainers here, and they’ve effectively harrassed and ridiculed and contradicted EVERY competent trainer who does not NEED to HURT dogs to train them. That’s all they know here, is to DEFEND their alleged right to HURT dogs in training. Their EXCUSE is they’re PROFESSIONALS, and they KNOW HOWE TO PROPERLY HURT DOGS to train them. That’s why they got me now. > People woul dbe more apt to listening to your advice

Not when we’ve got twenty respected authorities telling people like steve hanson to punish his dog for growling at his kids, and the dog ends up dead DESPITE that three competent non violent trainers told him he would cause his dog to be dangerous. Sampson’s DEAD now. And our Thugs pass around the crying towel telling him HOWE GOOD he done, that Sampson had the best opportunity, but his BAD BREEDING caused him to die at fifteen months. > if you didn’t come off as a jackass…..

POT. KETTLE. BLACK. If I didn’t bust my @$$ working to discredit these Thugs, YOU’D never know what was REALLY going on here. > do you really think someone is going to listen to you

Nobody sees YOU opening your big yap to tell people NOT to HURT their dogs as your pals here teach. THAT’S WHY I QUOTE THEM. > and and trust you after all your rude posts….

I teach people to handle and train their dogs gently, quickly, and easily. Your pals teach people to crate their dogs for two years and punish and correct and jerk and choke and kill dogs they can’t intimidate and dominate into submission. > I doubt it.

Sounds like you endorse hurting dogs. I think you’re a lying Thug yourself. > Take a chill pill,

I just SAY NO! to drugs. > and educate in a more low key fashion.

Like the dozen other non violent trainers who’ve GIVEN UP TRYING here becasue your Thug pals keep coming at them with convoluted arguments and preoposterous hypothetical situations intended to DISCREDIT NOT HURTING DOGS to train them? See? That’s why I think you’re a lying Thug yourself, despite what you said about NOT believing that HURTING dogs is right. I’ve had lots of Thugs give me the same reasoning to LAY OFF OUR ABUSERS. NOTHIN DOIN. I don’t make DEALS with dog abusing, lying THUGS. Your pal boob maida even offered to ENDORSE my methods if I’d lay off him, cause he’s only trying to make a living… BWWWAAHAHAHAHAAA!!! Do you think dog trainers who jerk and choke and hang dogs to train them should be allowed to MAKE A LIVING by hurting and KILLING dogs? That’s why I think YOU are one of THEM. > I can guarentee you itwould work.

I guarrantee it won’t work, because it’s been done by dozens of other EXCELLENT trainers who no longer post here. > I could guarentee you if you went to a newsgroup that didn’t know!! > (Keyword…no one has heard of you) Then you calmly told them your ideas > and asked for there thoughts, etc. Then when someone suggests, well I will hit > my dog to get him to do something.

This is what happens: Newsgroups: rec.pets.dogs.behavior View complete thread You’ll find that positive reinforcement is really much more effective. I really WISH I had done that more when Guinness was a puppy!  After a solid week of sitting for treats instead of jumping, your dog will sit for everybody. > The "yipe" I read about (it was actually an "OWW", but this gets him more > riled up.  I (wrongly) pushed him down when he nipped – too hard – a > child, but that seemed just to make him more anxious and "bitey".  So, > I’ll try the "rap on the snout" unless others dis-advise and/or provide an > alternative.

UNDER the snout – remember it’s UNDER the snout.  They must NOT see the hand coming down from above, this will create  a hand-shy dog.  It’s a quick rap, just enough to surprise the dog, followed by a sharp NO. END OF SHANNONagains. SEE? >  Then you come in and say, but there are better way,

And our Thugs come in with the scare tactics, telling them they’ve got to dominate the dog or he’ll be dangerous. And twenty lying koehler trainers who don’t admit to being koehler trainers are believed, because they use the same defective reasoning and scare tactics koehler taught them to thwart decent people who condemn HURTING dogs to train them. > and I would be happy to explain.

I’m always happy to discuss any aspect of training with anyone. The only problem is, our Thugs do not UNDERSTAND enough about dog behavior to have an intelligent discussion with them, because to have an INTELLIGENT dog training discussion, you’d NEED to be INTELLIGENT enough to OUTWIT a PUPPY DOG. Trainers who NEED to HURT dogs, do so becasue they don’t have the INTELLECT to outwit the cunning puppy dog. > Not by putting a rude post out with all these quotes from koehler and

shit! You mean the direct QUOTES of vicious dog abuse taught by koehler to our Gang Of Thugs who teach it to us? Hmm?  And the $#!T? Do you mean the $#!T like this:

something you twisted out of context, because you are full of bizarro manure." And this: amy lyingfrosty dahl continues: "Get a stick 30- or 40-inches long. You can have a helper wield the stick, or do it yourself. Tougher, less tractable dogs may require you to progress to striking them more sharply. REPEAT, VARYING HOW HARD YOU HIT THE DOG. And this: "Read koehler for content" marquis de shaw, IDIOT, Sadist, rpdb regular. "I LOVE KOHELER" lyinglynn, IDIOT, pathological liar, noted dog abuser. Koehler On Correcting The Barking Dog Thunder through the door or gate, snatch up the belt that you’ve conveniently placed, and descend on him. He’ll have no chance to dodge if you grab the line and reel him in until his front feet are  raised off the floor or, if he’s a big dog, until you’ve snubbed him up with a hitch on something (ceiling hook, rafters, tree limb, door, or even over your shoulder, if you know HOWE. j.h.) While he’s held in close, lay the strap vigorously against his thighs. Keep pouring it on him until he thinks it’s the bitter end. A real whaling now may cut down somewhat on the number of repeat performances that will be necessary. When you’re finished and the dog is convinced that he is, put him on a long down to think things over while you catch your breath. After fifteen or twenty minutes, release him from the stay and leave the area again." > You are basically giving people ideas with that and promoting Koehler.

Perhaps. They’d be the mezza morte’s, HUH? > Also…enough with all the MOORE,

She’s got the FAQ’s page where she teaches people to HURT dogs. She’s been banned from TWO obedience clubs, and it wasn’t for stealing their business… >  and all your little code words and you damn capitalizing every word….they > don’t even make sense!

I guess my spellin and gramma ain’t as good as my dog training advice, which NOBODY here has legitimately criticized… Adois Muchacho. Jerry. – Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – > —– Original Message —– > Sent: Thursday, March 01, 2001 12:26 PM lies, > ed. I wan’t you to prove all your false allegations. People are getting wise > to you and our Thugs, ed. Look around… BWWAHHAHAAAA!!! > Hello Nathan, > Jerry- > I have read part of your free book online and do think the information is > interesting and I have tried a few things so far and they worked great. I > don’t > have anything bad to say about your training method at all! > Thank you > I will probably finish it sometime when I have more time. > Just ask if you have any questions or difficulty, I’m really quite patient > and hospitable, and FREE. That’s something I’ve always wanted to be able to > do, train dogs and not have to charge people for it, because it’s something > I love. > The problem I have with you is cluttering the newsgroups, > CLUTTERING? I’m not cluttering. What I’m doing is JERRYIZING. It’s a tactic > I learned in my experience with Uncle Sam and Special and Psychological > warfare. I give credit to Ssg. Torres: "Piss poor planning makes for piss > poor performance. You’ll work for ME tonight," or quit and go to the back of > the > Conga line. > having a need to bitch > If dog "exerts" weren’t hurting dogs, I wouldn’t NEED to bitch. If YOU were > able to recognize the improprieties going on in our forum, I wouldn’t need > to be here at all. You and other intelligent individuals would moniter the > EXPERTS for me… and I can get on with JERRYIZING somewhere else, like > where they LIVE and WORK. But in order to do that, I need to fully discredit > them HERE, where I have access to them all. For the first time in thirty > eight years, I’ve been able to level the playing field and snatch them all > up by their ears and give them a good twist all at once. I’ve been through > this countless times in real

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I don’t agree with hitting or abusing dogs to train them, but you difinately have to find a better way to get your point across, cuase ya know what….its obviously not wokring. People  woul dbe more apt to listening to your advice if you didn’t come off as a jackass…..do you really think someone is going to listen to you and and trust you after all your rude posts….I doubt it.  Take a chill pill, and educate in a more low key fashion. I can guarentee you itwould work. I could guarentee you if you went to a newsgroup that didn’t know!! (Keyword…no one has heard of you) Then you calmly told them your ideas and asked for there thoughts, etc. Then when someone suggests, well I will hit my dog to get him to do something.  Then you come in and say, but there are better way, and I would be happy to explain. Not by putting a rude post out with all these quotes from koehler and shit! You are basically giving people ideas with that and promoting Koehler. Also…enough with all the MOORE, and all your little code words and you damn capitalizing every word….they don’t even make sense! – Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – > —– Original Message —– > Sent: Thursday, March 01, 2001 12:26 PM > ed. I wan’t you to prove all your false allegations. People are getting wise > to you and our Thugs, ed. Look around… BWWAHHAHAAAA!!! > Hello Nathan, > Jerry- > I have read part of your free book online and do think the information is > interesting and I have tried a few things so far and they worked great. I > don’t > have anything bad to say about your training method at all! > Thank you > I will probably finish it sometime when I have more time. > Just ask if you have any questions or difficulty, I’m really quite patient > and hospitable, and FREE. That’s something I’ve always wanted to be able to > do, train dogs and not have to charge people for it, because it’s something > I love. > The problem I have with you is cluttering the newsgroups, > CLUTTERING? I’m not cluttering. What I’m doing is JERRYIZING. It’s a tactic > I learned in my experience with Uncle Sam and Special and Psychological > warfare. I give credit to Ssg. Torres: "Piss poor planning makes for piss > poor performance. You’ll work for ME tonight," or quit and go to the back of > the > Conga line. > having a need to bitch > If dog "exerts" weren’t hurting dogs, I wouldn’t NEED to bitch. If YOU were > able to recognize the improprieties going on in our forum, I wouldn’t need > to be here at all. You and other intelligent individuals would moniter the > EXPERTS for me… and I can get on with JERRYIZING somewhere else, like > where they LIVE and WORK. But in order to do that, I need to fully discredit > them HERE, where I have access to them all. For the first time in thirty > eight years, I’ve been able to level the playing field and snatch them all > up by their ears and give them a good twist all at once. I’ve been through > this countless times in real life, nose to nose with "trainers" like we’ve > got here. I KNOW all their tricks. > at any and every post, and to coninue to act as immature as you are. > Our EXPERTS HURT DOGS AND LIE ABOUT IT. Complain to them. If they were > just HONEST enough to admit the truth, admit THAT’S ALL THEY KNOW, then I’d > have no NEED to BITCH, would I? SEE? Life gets pretty simple when you’re at > your Wits’ End. > To tell you the truth, you could sell way more products > I’m not interested in SELLING my Doggy Do Right (and Kitty Will Too) on the > behavior news group. Mosto of my Doggy Do Right (and Kitty Will Too) owners > don’t even LIKE dogs. That’s why I’m promoting the Wits’ End Dog Training > Method manual here. It’s YOU and our Thugs who keep bitching that I’ve got a > wonderful product that SAVES DOGS LIVES, just like my methods do.  I’m > interested in EXPOSING, IDENTIFYING, and DISCREDITING our dog abusers. > Don’t forget, I’m a dog trainer first, inventor and businessman SECOND. And > that also means second to none. Everything I do is GUARRANTEED. > with out demanding people to look at your website, > You got a better idea? That’s where the Wits’ End Dog Training Method manual > lives. It’s provided FREE, compliments of the BIOSOUND Scientific Elves. > and if you would not act so childish. > You think it’s childish to try to stop these bums from HURTING dogs and > misleading people looking for HELP with SERIOUS problems? Dogs DIE > because of the "information" coming from our Gang Of Thugs. See the threads > "interested in hearing," "1 step forward," and any thread with Fritz, > Samson, definitions of PAIN in training, like with the recent "STICK" > Training, or any thread on poo eating… > Have you read your koehler today? I just got three koehler books outta the > library in case you’d like to discuss REAL dog training with me. Nobody else > seems eager to discuss it, except ron. And I thnk he’s embarrassed himself > outta here by now. READ the thread on the Saga of Annie and the heel > command. BWWWAHAHAHAHAAA!!! OUR OWN THUGS were BEGGING him to quit HURTING > her. BEGGING HIM. > Your are truely a pain in the ass on the boards, > INDEED. I’m not going to allow this situation to continue without everyone > knowing and UNDERSATANDING they’re CONDONING bums like lyingdogDUMMY telling > Paul and Marty that he’d NEED to HURT their dogs > MOORE than they’d LIKE for eatin poo, digging holes, eating kat scat and > jumping fences. The more serious and life threatening the behaviors, the > more > blatant they are about HURTING the dog to train him "TO SAVE HIM FROM THE > NEEDLE." > That’s why they always tell us to hire a trainer who can SEE the behavior, > so he > can bulls$#!T guillible people into giving them their dogs to hurt for them, > and > empty as much cash outta their pockets as possible with redundant, time > consuming, ridiculous "methods" to "rehabilitate" dogs. When their "methods" > fail, > the dog DIES. Ask Samson, ask Fritz, and keep your eyes on Cubbe, she’s > DEAD MEAT if lia keeps mishandling her as she’s done from the git go… > under > the instruction of PROFESSIONALS like we got right here. > I have on them for a while, and I can’t beleive how many people can’t > stand you. > Perhaps that’s because they IDENTIFY with the bums I’ve EXPOSED and > DISCREDITED??? Hmm? I’ve got no problem with J.Q. Pubic who comes in here > all loused up because of some halfwit like lyingdogDUMMY taught him HOWE to > HURT a dog properly and now they got MOORE trouble. I don’t ridicule them. > But sometimes they don’t like to believe they’ve been misled by their pals > they train with every week and write to here. TOUGH. Get used to reality. > From what I know its not because of your training tactics, > GLAD YOU MENTIONED THAT. It’s not MY methods they’re opposed to, it’s > ANY NON VIOLENT TRAINER WHO’S EVER POSTED HERE. I’m the only one > who can talk dog training with these bums without burning out defending NOT > HURTING dogs to train them. > Look up the posts of Marilyn Rammell, Canis55, Master_222, Parker, Aspiring > Trainer, Ray the vet tech, Ray the RSPCA guy, Colette the trainer from UK, > DougDogManger. You’ll SEE a consistant pattern of LIES and DECEPTIVE > discussions to DEFEND HURTING DOGS. These bums have been doing that for > years, till I recognized what’s up, and set out to stop them. > but because you have no manners, > I don’t HURT dogs to train them. YOUR PALS DO. That’s why they’re bitching > about ME EXPOSING them. Seems to me you’re a little light on dog abusing > lying Thugs, and blaming ME for being RUDE to "experts" who NEED to HURT > dogs MOORE than we’d LIKE in order to train them for simple behavior > problems. cindymooreon has been BANNED from two obedience clubs. WHY? > and you feel the need to interupt so many good threads. > IF there was good information, I wouldn’t NEED to "interrupt." Do you think > you can TRUST the judgement of some mental midget who NEEDS to HURT > dogs MOORE than we’d LIKE??? That’s what it sounds like to me. > I think everyone knows about your damn website, so STOP THE > ADVERTISING…which I must say I would NOT buy from you > You’d be lucky to get one from me, I’ve been backordered since day one. > because your material sucks, but because your attitude does! > What exactly is it about my attitude you don’t like? Am I too unkindly to > dog abusing lying Thugs?  Or is it that you don’t think EVERYBODY can train > dogs WITHOUT hurting them? Or is it you think SOME dogs NEED to be HURT > MOORE than others? Speak up, chum. > Got to be one or the other. SEE HOWE SIMPLE life gets when your at Wits’ > End? > Nathan > P.S. Look at all the shit at the end of the message….why do you have to > post all that crap……Is there a need to add a bunch of useless > information > to EVERY FUCKING POST!!!?? > Which $#!T? There’s a lot of it there, and it’s there so YOU can read it. > Did you? Exactly WHICH $#!T offends you? I’m offended by ANY ACT OF > VIOLENCE disguised as "dog training." HOWE ABOUT YOU? > What BOTHERS ME AS MUCH, is our dog abusing thugs not being HONEST > enough to ADMIT they HURT and KILL dogs because they don’t know HOWE > NOT TO INFLICT PAIN to train them. > CARE TO TAKE ISSUE WITH MY POSTS AND TRAINING INFORMATION. > "Nope. That "beating dogs with sticks" things is something you twisted out > of context, because you are full of bizarro manure." > Amy lyingfrosty dahl LIES with a straight face and says: > "I don’t beat dogs, twist ears, or pinch toes. For the benefit of anyone

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- Hide quoted text — Show quoted text —— Original Message —– Sent: Thursday, March 01, 2001 12:26 PM ed. I wan’t you to prove all your false allegations. People are getting wise to you and our Thugs, ed. Look around… BWWAHHAHAAAA!!! Hello Nathan, > Jerry- > I have read part of your free book online and do think the information is > interesting and I have tried a few things so far and they worked great. I don’t > have anything bad to say about your training method at all! Thank you > I will probably finish it sometime when I have more time. Just ask if you have any questions or difficulty, I’m really quite patient and hospitable, and FREE. That’s something I’ve always wanted to be able to do, train dogs and not have to charge people for it, because it’s something I love. > The problem I have with you is cluttering the newsgroups, CLUTTERING? I’m not cluttering. What I’m doing is JERRYIZING. It’s a tactic I learned in my experience with Uncle Sam and Special and Psychological warfare. I give credit to Ssg. Torres: "Piss poor planning makes for piss poor performance. You’ll work for ME tonight," or quit and go to the back of the Conga line. > having a need to bitch If dog "exerts" weren’t hurting dogs, I wouldn’t NEED to bitch. If YOU were able to recognize the improprieties going on in our forum, I wouldn’t need to be here at all. You and other intelligent individuals would moniter the EXPERTS for me… and I can get on with JERRYIZING somewhere else, like where they LIVE and WORK. But in order to do that, I need to fully discredit them HERE, where I have access to them all. For the first time in thirty eight years, I’ve been able to level the playing field and snatch them all up by their ears and give them a good twist all at once. I’ve been through this countless times in real life, nose to nose with "trainers" like we’ve got here. I KNOW all their tricks. > at any and every post, and to coninue to act as immature as you are. Our EXPERTS HURT DOGS AND LIE ABOUT IT. Complain to them. If they were just HONEST enough to admit the truth, admit THAT’S ALL THEY KNOW, then I’d have no NEED to BITCH, would I? SEE? Life gets pretty simple when you’re at your Wits’ End. > To tell you the truth, you could sell way more products I’m not interested in SELLING my Doggy Do Right (and Kitty Will Too) on the behavior news group. Mosto of my Doggy Do Right (and Kitty Will Too) owners don’t even LIKE dogs. That’s why I’m promoting the Wits’ End Dog Training Method manual here. It’s YOU and our Thugs who keep bitching that I’ve got a wonderful product that SAVES DOGS LIVES, just like my methods do.  I’m interested in EXPOSING, IDENTIFYING, and DISCREDITING our dog abusers. Don’t forget, I’m a dog trainer first, inventor and businessman SECOND. And that also means second to none. Everything I do is GUARRANTEED. > with out demanding people to look at your website, You got a better idea? That’s where the Wits’ End Dog Training Method manual lives. It’s provided FREE, compliments of the BIOSOUND Scientific Elves. > and if you would not act so childish. You think it’s childish to try to stop these bums from HURTING dogs and misleading people looking for HELP with SERIOUS problems? Dogs DIE because of the "information" coming from our Gang Of Thugs. See the threads "interested in hearing," "1 step forward," and any thread with Fritz, Samson, definitions of PAIN in training, like with the recent "STICK" Training, or any thread on poo eating… Have you read your koehler today? I just got three koehler books outta the library in case you’d like to discuss REAL dog training with me. Nobody else seems eager to discuss it, except ron. And I thnk he’s embarrassed himself outta here by now. READ the thread on the Saga of Annie and the heel command. BWWWAHAHAHAHAAA!!! OUR OWN THUGS were BEGGING him to quit HURTING her. BEGGING HIM. > Your are truely a pain in the ass on the boards, INDEED. I’m not going to allow this situation to continue without everyone knowing and UNDERSATANDING they’re CONDONING bums like lyingdogDUMMY telling Paul and Marty that he’d NEED to HURT their dogs MOORE than they’d LIKE for eatin poo, digging holes, eating kat scat and jumping fences. The more serious and life threatening the behaviors, the more blatant they are about HURTING the dog to train him "TO SAVE HIM FROM THE NEEDLE." That’s why they always tell us to hire a trainer who can SEE the behavior, so he can bulls$#!T guillible people into giving them their dogs to hurt for them, and empty as much cash outta their pockets as possible with redundant, time consuming, ridiculous "methods" to "rehabilitate" dogs. When their "methods" fail, the dog DIES. Ask Samson, ask Fritz, and keep your eyes on Cubbe, she’s DEAD MEAT if lia keeps mishandling her as she’s done from the git go… under the instruction of PROFESSIONALS like we got right here. > I have on them for a while, and I can’t beleive how many people can’t > stand you. Perhaps that’s because they IDENTIFY with the bums I’ve EXPOSED and DISCREDITED??? Hmm? I’ve got no problem with J.Q. Pubic who comes in here all loused up because of some halfwit like lyingdogDUMMY taught him HOWE to HURT a dog properly and now they got MOORE trouble. I don’t ridicule them. But sometimes they don’t like to believe they’ve been misled by their pals they train with every week and write to here. TOUGH. Get used to reality. > From what I know its not because of your training tactics, GLAD YOU MENTIONED THAT. It’s not MY methods they’re opposed to, it’s ANY NON VIOLENT TRAINER WHO’S EVER POSTED HERE. I’m the only one who can talk dog training with these bums without burning out defending NOT HURTING dogs to train them. Look up the posts of Marilyn Rammell, Canis55, Master_222, Parker, Aspiring Trainer, Ray the vet tech, Ray the RSPCA guy, Colette the trainer from UK, DougDogManger. You’ll SEE a consistant pattern of LIES and DECEPTIVE discussions to DEFEND HURTING DOGS. These bums have been doing that for years, till I recognized what’s up, and set out to stop them. > but because you have no manners, I don’t HURT dogs to train them. YOUR PALS DO. That’s why they’re bitching about ME EXPOSING them. Seems to me you’re a little light on dog abusing lying Thugs, and blaming ME for being RUDE to "experts" who NEED to HURT dogs MOORE than we’d LIKE in order to train them for simple behavior problems. cindymooreon has been BANNED from two obedience clubs. WHY? > and you feel the need to interupt so many good threads. IF there was good information, I wouldn’t NEED to "interrupt." Do you think you can TRUST the judgement of some mental midget who NEEDS to HURT dogs MOORE than we’d LIKE??? That’s what it sounds like to me. > I think everyone knows about your damn website, so STOP THE > ADVERTISING…which I must say I would NOT buy from you You’d be lucky to get one from me, I’ve been backordered since day one. > because your material sucks, but because your attitude does! What exactly is it about my attitude you don’t like? Am I too unkindly to dog abusing lying Thugs?  Or is it that you don’t think EVERYBODY can train dogs WITHOUT hurting them? Or is it you think SOME dogs NEED to be HURT MOORE than others? Speak up, chum. Got to be one or the other. SEE HOWE SIMPLE life gets when your at Wits’ End? > Nathan > P.S. Look at all the shit at the end of the message….why do you have to > post all that crap……Is there a need to add a bunch of useless information > to EVERY FUCKING POST!!!?? Which $#!T? There’s a lot of it there, and it’s there so YOU can read it. Did you? Exactly WHICH $#!T offends you? I’m offended by ANY ACT OF VIOLENCE disguised as "dog training." HOWE ABOUT YOU? What BOTHERS ME AS MUCH, is our dog abusing thugs not being HONEST enough to ADMIT they HURT and KILL dogs because they don’t know HOWE NOT TO INFLICT PAIN to train them. > CARE TO TAKE ISSUE WITH MY POSTS AND TRAINING INFORMATION. > "Nope. That "beating dogs with sticks" things is something you twisted out > of context, because you are full of bizarro manure." > Amy lyingfrosty dahl LIES with a straight face and says: > "I don’t beat dogs, twist ears, or pinch toes. For the benefit of anyone who > is in doubt, and who chooses not to read the article (SHE’D REALLY LIKE IT > IF YOU DON’T READ IT!), there is NO mention in it of "twisting ears (INDEED, > SHE PINCHES THEM WITH SPIKES). > I would never slap a dog (SHE TEACHES PEOPLE TO BEAT DOGS WITH > STICKS TO MOTIVATE THEM). > I would never advise anyone to slap a dog (SHE’S A PROVEN LIAR AND DOG > ABUSER, do you expect her to ADMIT THE TRUTH???). > I do not believe there is a single circumstance, ever, where slapping a dog > is anything but destructive." > RIGHT. She PINCHES, not twists… and chin cuff doesn’t mean hit, according > to lyinglynn and avrama…. > amy lyingfrosty dahl continues: > "Get a stick 30- or 40-inches long. You can have a helper wield the stick, > or do it yourself. Tougher, less tractable dogs may require you to progress > to striking them more sharply. > REPEAT, VARYING HOW HARD YOU HIT THE DOG. > Now you are ready to progress to what most people think of as > force-fetching: the ear pinch.  Make the dog’s need to stop the pinching so > urgent that resisting your will fades in importance.but will squeal, thrash > around, and direct their efforts to escaping the ear pinch even get a > studded collar and pinch the ear against that if the dog still does not open > its mouth, get out the shotshell.Try pinching the ear between the metal > casing and the collar, even the buckle on the collar. Persist! Eventually, > the dog will give in"

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CARE TO TAKE ISSUE WITH MY POSTS AND TRAINING INFORMATION.

"Nope. That "beating dogs with sticks" things is something you twisted out of context, because you are full of bizarro manure." Amy lyingfrosty dahl LIES with a straight face and says: "I don’t beat dogs, twist ears, or pinch toes. For the benefit of anyone who is in doubt, and who chooses not to read the article (SHE’D REALLY LIKE IT IF YOU DON’T READ IT!), there is NO mention in it of "twisting ears (INDEED, SHE PINCHES THEM WITH SPIKES). I would never slap a dog (SHE TEACHES PEOPLE TO BEAT DOGS WITH STICKS TO MOTIVATE THEM). I would never advise anyone to slap a dog (SHE’S A PROVEN LIAR AND DOG ABUSER, do you expect her to ADMIT THE TRUTH???). I do not believe there is a single circumstance, ever, where slapping a dog is anything but destructive." RIGHT. She PINCHES, not twists… and chin cuff doesn’t mean hit, according to lyinglynn and avrama…. amy lyingfrosty dahl continues: "Get a stick 30- or 40-inches long. You can have a helper wield the stick, or do it yourself. Tougher, less tractable dogs may require you to progress to striking them more sharply. REPEAT, VARYING HOW HARD YOU HIT THE DOG. Now you are ready to progress to what most people think of as force-fetching: the ear pinch.  Make the dog’s need to stop the pinching so urgent that resisting your will fades in importance.but will squeal, thrash around, and direct their efforts to escaping the ear pinch even get a studded collar and pinch the ear against that if the dog still does not open its mouth, get out the shotshell.Try pinching the ear between the metal casing and the collar, even the buckle on the collar. Persist! Eventually, the dog will give in" With your hand on the collar and ear, say, ‘fetch.’ Immediately tap the dog on the hindquarters with the stick. Repeat ‘fetch’ and pinch the ear all the way to the dummy.  You can press the dog’s ear with a shotshell instead of your thumb; Say ‘fetch’ while pressing the dummy against its lips and pinching its ear." Gotta LOVE koehler. dahl makes koheler look like St. Francis. "Read koehler for content" marquis de shaw, IDIOT, Sadist, rpdb regular. "I LOVE KOHELER" lyinglynn, IDIOT, pathological liar, noted dog abuser. "Read koehler for content" marquis de shaw, IDIOT, Sadist, rpdb regular. "I LOVE KOHELER" lyinglynn, IDIOT, pathological liar, noted dog abuser. Koehler On Correcting The Barking Dog Thunder through the door or gate, snatch up the belt that you’ve conveniently placed, and descend on him. He’ll have no chance to dodge if you grab the line and reel him in until his front feet are  raised off the floor or, if he’s a big dog, until you’ve snubbed him up with a hitch on something (ceiling hook, rafters, tree limb, door, or even over your shoulder, if you know HOWE. j.h.) While he’s held in close, lay the strap vigorously against his thighs. Keep pouring it on him until he thinks it’s the bitter end. A real whaling now may cut down somewhat on the number of repeat performances that will be necessary. When you’re finished and the dog is convinced that he is, put him on a long down to think things over while you catch your breath. After fifteen or twenty minutes, release him from the stay and leave the area again." Tell us HOWE the dog knows he shouldn’t be barking? That is, until the beatings take effect, after ENOUGH lessons of "hard spankings of long duration??? It’s IN THE BOOK. Tell us  HOWE COME you think dogs might want to take a big chunk out of an abusive Thug who beats him every twenty minutes for crappin on the floor in a room you’ve restricted him to for this purpose, and then tied him next to a forced accident? And when koehler OCCASIONALLY finds a dog who objects to his training, why does he HANG the dog, instead of calming them down and teaching them there’s nothing to be afraid of??? That’s the ONLY question ANYONE of you CAN answer. The answer is OBVIOUS. koehler trainers are DOG ABUSING COWARDS HOWE MUCH brains does it take to beat a dog every twenty minutes for the same mistake you’ve tied it next to???

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Hi all…. Looking for some real good sites for anything crate training…over here in Australia it isn’t as well known and its hard hearing people saying "locking a dog in that cage is cruel!" Help me get some more info to prove them wrong?! Thanks heaps in advance Layka

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Jerry, you are a pain in the ASS!!!!! – Hide quoted text — Show quoted text -> layka, > Beware of Jerry Howe. > I’d like you to quote my lies, ed. I wan’t you to prove all your false > allegations. People are getting wise to you and our Thugs, ed. Look around.. > BWWAHHAHAAAA!!! > OK jer, I’ll let this particular thread drop now that you have proven my > point that your "testimonials" are indeed phony. > I’ll repost them again. I suggest you write to http://www.spacecats.com and > complain I’m using their membership to promote my fraudulent product. > You’re a psychopath. Write to the secretary of Space Cats Club Feral Cat > Rescue http://www.spacecats.com/feralcats/index.htm and mention Desiree > Webber and Elaine McClung. If everybody writes and complains, they’re sure > to prohibit me from using those endorsements, eh??? Go ahead Gang, I DARE > YOU. We’ll see who uses their real names. > You are SO easy to manipulate. > Yes. EVERYBODY is manipulating me… Just look at the posts making fun of > me. > BTW jer, did you know my website is 1000 times more popular than yours? > LOL. > Did you know I’m not interested in promoting my website anyMOORE than I > have? I’ve got a reason for that, ed. I don’t want sites like YOURS to link > to mine.  I’ll be linking to YOURS in a while… I’ve got a blacklist that > will disqualify our shelter and rescue folks from qualifying for the 25% > discount for Doggy Do Right (and Kitty Will Too) becasue of links to sites > like yours and cindymooreon’s and blackman’s. SEE? You’re a pawn in the big > scheme of things. And you’ve responded MARVELOUSLY for me. > Thanks for the koehler book reviews. > Maybe it is because I don’t go around lying and slandering people like you > do. > SUE ME. I’ll be coming after YOU when the time is right… heh, heh, heh. > Till then, I want you right here. > Bye! > Maybe Space Cats Club will decide to prosecute me for fraud and damaging > their good reputation? Then you’ll be able to prove you’re not a lying, dog > abusing, coward, Thug beggar, eh? It’s worth a shot ed, it’s your only hope > to get yourself out of the spot you’ve dug yourself into. People aren’t > going to be > impressed with you and our Gang Of Thugs. BWWWAHAHAHAAA!!! > You BEG people for money for NUTHIN. And you want them to HURT their dogs > so they’ll feel REAL GUILTY when they NEED to KILL their dogs because > they’ve been jerking and choking and intimidating their dogs according to > koehler and your Thug pals here. > You’ve never done anything here but spam your own pet loss site and injure a > few people who were foolish enough to believe a koehler freak like you > telling them not to listen to me because I’m not even able to HURT a dog > PROPERLY to train him… > Search Result 9 > DIDN’T tell you about. Decide for yourself (long) > Newsgroups: rec.pets.dogs.behavior > View complete thread > Customer reviews of The Koehler Method Of Dog Training >  Old Fashioned? No Way! > "Nope. That "beating dogs with sticks" things is > something you twisted out of context, because you are > full of bizarro manure." > "The Koehler Method of Dog Training" , Howell Book House, 1996": > BARKING, WHINING, HOWLING, YODELING, SCREAMING, AND WAILING > The fact that you realize you have such a problem > makes it certain you have "reproved" the dog often > enough to let him know you were against his sound > effects, even though your reproving didn’t quiet them, > so we’ll bypass the loudly clapped hands, the cup of > water in his face, and the "shame-shames" and start > with something more emphatic. > We’ll begin with the easiest kind of vocalist to correct: > the one that charges gates, fences, doors, and > windows, barking furiously at familiar or imaginary > people and objects. A few clusters of BBs from a > good slingshot, in conjunction with the light line and > plenty of temptations, will cause such a dog to use his > mind rather than his mouth. > But you won’t make the permanent impression unless > you supply dozens of opportunities for him to exercise > the control he thus acquires. Make sure these > opportunities don’t always come at the same time > of the day, else he may learn to observe the "quiet > hour" and pursue his old routines at other times. > With the help of the light line, it will be easy to follow > the BBs with a long down to make sure he gets the > most from his lesson. As was mentioned before, > eliminating the senseless barking will not lessen the > dog’s value as a watchdog but rather, as he grows > more discriminating, increase it. > The dog who vocalizes in bratty protest or > lonesomeness because you’re gone constitutes a > different problem. If it is impractical for someone > to stay with him constantly (there are owners who > cater to neurosis by employing dog sitters), you’ll have > to heed the neighbors and the law and quiet the dog. > This calls for a little ingenuity as well as a heavy hand. > Attach a line to your dog’s collar, so your corrective > effort doesn’t turn into a footrace around the house > until you reach a stalemate under the bed. This use of > the line in the correction will also serve to establish it > as a reminder to be quiet as the dog drags it around > when you’re not present. > Next, equip yourself with a man’s leather belt or a > strap heavy enough to give your particular dog a good > tanning. Yup-we’re going to strike him. Real hard. > Remember, you’re dealing with a dog who knows he > should be quiet and neighbors who have legal rights to > see that he does. > When the noise comes, instead of trying to sneak up to > the door so you can barge in while he’s still barking, > which is generally impossible, respond to his first > sound with an emphatic bellow of "out," and keep > on bellowing as you charge back to his area. > Thunder through the door or gate, snatch up the belt > that you’ve conveniently placed, and descend on him. > He’ll have no chance to dodge if you grab the line and > reel him in until his front feet are raised off the floor or, > if he’s a big dog, until you’ve snubbed him up with a > hitch on something. > While he’s held in close, lay the strap vigorously against his thighs. > Keep pouring it on him until he thinks it’s the bitter > end. A real whaling now may cut down somewhat on > the number of repeat performances that will be > necessary. > When you’re finished and the dog is convinced that he > is, put him on a long down to think things over while > you catch your breath. After fifteen or twenty minutes, > release him from the stay and leave the area again. > So that you won’t feel remorseful, reflect on the truth > that a great percentage of the barkers who are given > away to "good homes" end up in the kindly black box > with the sweet smell. Personally, I’ve always felt that > it’s even better to spank children, even if they "cry > out," than to "put them to sleep." > You might have a long wait on that comfortable porch > before your dog starts broadcasting again. When he > does, let your long range bellow tie the consequent > correction to his first sound and repeat the > spanking, if anything emphasizing it a bit more. > After a half dozen corrections, "the reason and the > correction" will be tied in close enough association so > that you can move in on him without the preliminary > bellowing of "out." From then on, it’s just a case of > laying for the dog and supplying enough bad > consequences of his noise so he’ll no longer feel like gambling. > If there has been a long history of barking and whining, > it sometimes requires a lot of work to make a dog be > quiet when you’re not around, so give the above > method an honest try before you presume your dog > requires a more severe correction. > "Housebreaking Problems": > Occasionally, there is a pup who seems determined to > relieve himself inside the house, regardless of how > often he has the opportunity to go outside. This dog > may require punishment. Make certain he is equipped > with a collar and piece of line so he can’t avoid correction. > When you discover a mess, move in fast, take him to > the place of his error, and hold his head close enough > so that he associates his error with the punishment. > Punish him by spanking him with a light strap or > switch. Either one is better than a folded newspaper. > It is important to your future relationship that you do > not rush at him and start swinging before you get hold of him. > When he’s been spanked, take him outside. Chances > are, if you are careful in your feeding and close > observation, you will not have to do much punishing. > Be consistent in your handling. To have a pup almost > house-broken and then force him to commit an error by > not providing an opportunity to go outside is very > unfair. Careful planning will make your job easier. > The same general techniques of housebreaking apply > to grown dogs that are inexperienced in the house. > For the grown dog who was reliable in the house and > then backslides, the method of correction differs > somewhat. In this group of "backsliders" we have the > "revenge piddler." This dog protests being alone by > messing on the floor and often in the middle of a bed. > The first step of correction is to confine the dog > closely in a part of the house when you go away, so > that he is constantly reminded of his obligation. The > fact that he once was reliable in the house is proof > that the dog knows right from wrong, and it leaves you > no other course than to punish him sufficiently to > convince him that the satisfaction of his wrongdoing is > not worth the

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Jerry, I read your manual and all I can say is "WOW!"   I read through it a couple of times to get the instructions down. Then I practiced out of the presence of my dog.   The big day came….4 times in 4  different places, right? Max, come, good boy!  Max, come (noise),good boy!, Max, come, good boy!  Max, come (toss can) good boy!   Once in the house, once in the back yard, once in the front yard, once in the park. Max, come good boy….. he just looked at me and then back to what he was doing.  Ok, so I got his attention. Max, come (noise) good boy……another look.  Hey, what

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It looks like The Alliance for Care and Welfare of Animals is a fictitious organization created by Jerry Howe. The ONLY place "The Alliance for Care and Welfare of Animals" is mentioned on the entire Internet is on Jerry Howes DDR "testimonial" page. So prove me wrong Jer. STILL waiting. For all I know, all these "endorsements" are all posts written by ONE individual, and THAT could be YOU jer. O.K? EdW http://Petloss.com/inthenws.htm

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You’re INSANE. j;~}

– Hide quoted text — Show quoted text -> It looks like The Alliance for Care and Welfare of Animals is a > fictitious organization created by Jerry Howe. > The ONLY place "The Alliance for Care and Welfare of Animals" is > mentioned on the entire Internet is on Jerry Howes DDR "testimonial" > page. > So prove me wrong Jer. > STILL waiting. > For all I know, all these "endorsements" are all posts written by ONE > individual, and THAT could be YOU jer. O.K? > EdW > http://Petloss.com/inthenws.htm

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> I’m a lot smarter than you ed, and I can’t remember > the link to the manual page with the forward slash > and underscores and html crap: > http://doggydoright.com/free_training_manual.htm. > Hey Jer. > YOU DON’T HAVE TO REMEMBER IT! It is a LINK, get > it, A LINK. You CLICK ON IT jer, YOU DON’T HAVE TO > TYPE IT! GET IT???

Is that so?  You expect they’ll remember that link when they give it to a friend, or lose the page they were reading or go to another computer? You make foolish arguments. > Some people don’t even know where on their > keyboard the underscore and > forward slash lives, ed. Use common sense, ed. > (DUOH! DUOH! DUOH! DAMN! I > don’t believe I said that!) > One More Time jer. Now pay attention… > YOU DON’T HAVE TO REMEMBER IT! It is a LINK, get > it, A LINK. You CLICK ON IT jer, YOU DON’T HAVE TO > TYPE IT! GET IT???

Sometimes that may be true, other times thats not true. So, use common sense, ed. (DUOH! DUOH! DUOH! DAMN! I don’t believe I said that!) I get a lot of links over the phone, tv, radio, and if they’re not easy to remember, I can’t find them when I want to go to them. Your argument is stupid. There is no deception, the manual is a complete work, not a come on for a course or any for sale item. Doggy Do Right (and Kitty Will Too) isn’t even mentioned in the manual, because I didn’t want some punk like you to disparage my manual because it makes reference to a for sale product. SEE? It’s FREE. And so is UNLIMITED additional help for dog behavior problems. Like that guy with the Golden that was going to get killed. I was willing to take him in, but YOU scared the man into not trusting me, and he may have kill that dog, ed. NO CHARGE. FREE, ed. > I HELP people, ed. Everything I do is beneficial to > people, unlike yourself, who decieves people and tells > them to use koehler methods and hurt their dogs. > Your ignorance of the Internet is truly apalling jer.

EXACTLY. I’m a dog trainer. > EdW

And you are a beggar, a liar, and a mental case. My Doggy Do Right (and Kitty Will Too) saves dogs and cats lives, ed. It makes them HAPPY, ed. You tell people to hurt their dogs. That’s not nice, ed. You’re not a nice person. In fact ed, you’re a liar, a beggar, and a mental case, and EVERYBODY knows it. j;~} President Of Pet Rescue, Board Member Of The Alliance For Care And Welfare Of Animals, Feral Cat Network, And AKC Obedience & Agility Clubs Says "I Would Not Recommend DDR (&KWT) If I Did Not Believe In It." Margaret and Elaine (below) have posted publicly, and have been verified by dw and marquis de "Read koehler For Content," shaw.  dw PAID Margaret his reward. marquis is a fraud, and reneged on his payment. The third poster, Desiree (New Leash), is a member of the Space Cats Rescue in Melbourn, FL. You’ll LOVE this quote from Elaine’s post, after only three weeks using my Doggy Do Right (and Kitty Will Too): "my cat aggressive (P.B.) dog is now much calmer with the little fur balls getting near her. Not perfect, but much improved! I do think your product is a valuable tool in helping with aggression and other behavior problems." You’ll like this quote too, from Desiree’s post.  She wrote me after using Doggy Do Right (and Kitty Will Too) for just TWO DAYS. She’d borrowed it from Elaine, but Elaine called her back and asked her to return it A.S.A.P., because she needed it to keep her problem cat from bullying the others. Her post wasn’t sent as an endorsement, it was just her private email to me: "I had the unit from Sunday afternoon until Tuesday Morning. I was certainly pleased with the night effect.  I wasn’t so sure about the amount of the day time effect.  Until I took it back. Within half an hour, the monsters had resurfaced.  I wondered if I could break into Elaine’s house and if she would notice :) " Here’s the complete posts: Hi Jerry, I wrote to you a week or so ago about the unit. I have since borrowed one from Elaine Mc Clung. She speaks very highly of it. So, I brought it home and plugged it in.  Of course, I wanted it to come on, all the barking stop, and have every one immediately fall to the floor in little comas for a few hours. Well, after I got all 27 of them to be quiet, still no comas. But, it had only been 36 seconds at that point. So, I gave it a little longer.  Still no comas.  Was this really going to work?  I mean, I do have an unusual situation. So, by bedtime, a few hours later.  I started to notice just how many were asleep already – with their feet in the air!  I started to have hope. During the night, all was calm.  In the morning when I got up, only a few of them WALKED quietly to the door to go out.  Not the usual evacuation. I had the unit from Sunday afternoon until Tuesday Morning. I was certainly pleased with the night effect.  I wasn’t so sure about the amount of the day time effect.  Until I took it back. Within half an hour, the monsters had resurfaced.  I wondered if I could break into Elaine’s house and if she would notice :) I know another person who does dog rescue. She rescues Beagles.  She has 23 in an 1100 square foot house.  God bless her.  She is interested to see if it will work for her.  I also spoke to someone else who does cat rescue, and she is interested.  The cat rescue people have monthly meetings. Maybe Elaine could give a word or two about it. So, if there are any words of advice you can send my way about the best way to use it in my case, I would appreciate it.  I of course wanted to keep it on the highest setting, but don’t know if that is advised, even with my situation of so many new ones coming and (too few) going. Also, how I and others can go about getting one, etc.  I think the vets should have the info in their offices.  It must help dogs with separation anxiety.  My vet practices homeopathic as well as traditional medicine, so I would think it would be right up her alley. Thank you. Desiree M Webber A New Leash On And here’s one from Elain McClung: Hi Jerry, I do think your product is a valuable tool in helping with aggression and other behavior problems. I am in  Feral Cat Network (we spray and neuter approximately 100 feral cats a month), I am also a member of a local AKC dog obedience club, member of a local AKC agility club, president of Pet Rescue, board member of the Alliance for Care and Welfare of Animals (on the board are: county commissioner, vet. rep., rep. from AKC dog club, CFA cat club, assistant County Manager, head of animal control, director of two different shelters, etc.). I would not recommend your product if I did not believe in it. Well, we have been running Doggy Do Right for a while (3 weeks) now and would appear that it is working. We are still on the lowest setting, but my cat aggressive dog is now much calmer with the little fur balls getting near her. Not perfect, but much improved! I do think that you need a more universal name than Doggy Do Right, (hence: and Kitty Will To) as it appears to have drastically cut the spraying problem down that we have with our crowded cat situation. I am going to send an e-mail to Domesti-Cats club, Feral Cat Network and Space Cats Club as a lot of the members have some of the same problems with their cats. It has also lessened the number of nightly cat fights. Thanks Elaine. Doggy Do Right and Jerry Howe: I do have a Doggy Do Right and have had it for about one year. It truly does work – at least on my Dobe, Chelsea. Chelsea was the unhappy recipient of several failed attempts at obedience training, both in a "class" environment and with a personal trainer. She is very high spirited and strong and, unfortunately, spoiled, since we are an older couple who doted on our dog. We were lucky enough to find Jerry Howe and to not only buy a Doggy Do Right, but to also have him personally work with Chelsea. His methods are wonderful and effective. Chelsea is not a dog that you will bully, and I wouldn’t dream of hurting her. After Jerry spent time with her, she no longer jumped on furniture, ate food off the counter, and pulled me incessantly on the leash. She is calmer and we are all happier. Well, it is a very long story and I won’t bore you will the details, but suffice it to say that Jerry Howe saved the day for our dog and for us. Marge Hoffman

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> I’m a lot smarter than you ed, and I can’t remember the link to the manual > page with the forward slash and underscores and html crap: > http://doggydoright.com/free_training_manual.htm.

Hey Jer. YOU DON’T HAVE TO REMEMBER IT! It is a LINK, get it, A LINK. You CLICK ON IT jer, YOU DON’T HAVE TO TYPE IT! GET IT??? > Some people don’t even know where on their keyboard the underscore and > forward slash lives, ed. Use common sense, ed. (DUOH! DUOH! DUOH! DAMN! I > don’t believe I said that!)

One More Time jer. Now pay attention… YOU DON’T HAVE TO REMEMBER IT! It is a LINK, get it, A LINK. You CLICK ON IT jer, YOU DON’T HAVE TO TYPE IT! GET IT??? Your ignorance of the Internet is truly apalling jer. EdW http://Petloss.com/inthenws.htm

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Hello ed, You bore EVERYONE.

> Hey Jer… > You forgot to mention that the link you posted does > NOT go to the free training manual.

http://www.dogyydoright.com links to the FREE Wits’ End Dog Training Method manual are the FIRST LINKS on BOTH sides of the first page. I INTENTIONALLY did that so even a fool like you can’t MISS it. I’m a lot smarter than you ed, and I can’t remember the link to the manual page with the forward slash and underscores and html crap: http://doggydoright.com/free_training_manual.htm. Some people don’t even know where on their keyboard the underscore and forward slash lives, ed. Use common sense, ed. (DUOH! DUOH! DUOH! DAMN! I don’t believe I said that!) > You also forgot to mention that the link you posted > goes DIRECTLY to the page where you SELL your > dubious $100 electronic training device.

You are the only dubious thing around here. My machine works as hard as I do to not hurt dogs, ed. It CURES behavior problems in dogs, cats, birds, horses, and bunnies. It stops feral cats from fighting and spraying. It saves animals lives, ed. > It is the classic "bait & switch" scam.

No ed. There’s no bait and switch. There’s a free training manual, and it comes with all the FREE help they may ask of ME. I help people with serious dog behavior problems every day, ed. I don’t push my machine on them when they ask me about training. I give people who are doing rescue and shelter work a 25% discount even if they don’t have tax exempt status, so that means the BIOSOUND Scientific Elves are footing the charitable donation. If I donate money to your site where you plea for donations to help you do your valuable work, can I take a charitable donation tax deduction from Uncle Sam? I suppose I could if I just told Sam I gave charity to a bum they wouldn’t care, but for you, nope. You don’t have any thing to offer anyone. You are a leech on the boil on the butt of society. If you needed to dedicate so much time to your site that you’ve got to BEG people for their hard earned dough, what the hell are YOU doing SQUANDERING their overly generous and foolhardy contribution, chasing me around so you can promote YOUR for sale products? You disrespect dogs and anyone who’s ever helped YOU by purchasing any of YOUR for sale crap or being foolish enough to GIVE YOU MONEY FOR NOTHING. > BTW Jer, an unhappy purchaser

No ed. Sorry.  There’s never been a complaint. Your "unhappy purchaser" has never brought a complaint to me or asked me any questions. Your unhappy poster also has three aliases he’s used here… He’s as credible as YOU. As far as I’m concerned, a person who doesn’t tell me he’s having difficulty and doesen’t ask for a refund, is a satisfied customer. My Doggy Do Right (and Kitty Will Too) is 100% money back, satisfacton guaranteed, forever, including paid return shipping… and I’m always here. NO COMPLAINTS, ed. > of your bogus $100 training device

My Doggy Do Right (and Kitty Will Too) saves dogs and cats lives, ed. It makes them HAPPY, ed. You tell people to hurt their dogs. That’s not nice, ed. You’re not a nice person. In fact ed, you’re a liar, a beggar, and a mental case, and EVERYBODY knows it. j;~} President Of Pet Rescue, Board Member Of The Alliance For Care And Welfare Of Animals, Feral Cat Network, And AKC Obedience & Agility Clubs Says "I Would Not Recommend DDR (&KWT) If I Did Not Believe In It." Margaret and Elaine (below) have posted publicly, and have been verified by dw and marquis de "Read koehler For Content," shaw.  dw PAID Margaret his reward. marquis is a fraud, and reneged on his payment. The third poster, Desiree (New Leash), is a member of the Space Cats Rescue in Melbourn, FL. You’ll LOVE this quote from Elaine’s post, after only three weeks using my Doggy Do Right (and Kitty Will Too):  "I Would Not Recommend DDR (&KWT) If I Did Not Believe In It," Says President Of Pet Rescue, Board Member Of The Alliance For Care And Welfare Of Animals, Feral Cat Network, And AKC Obedience & Agi "my cat aggressive (P.B.) dog is now much calmer with the little fur balls getting near her. Not perfect, but much improved! I do think your product is a valuable tool in helping with aggression and other behavior problems." You’ll like this quote too, from Desiree’s post.  She wrote me after using Doggy Do Right (and Kitty Will Too) for just TWO DAYS. She’d borrowed it from Elaine, but Elaine called her back and asked her to return it A.S.A.P., because she needed it to keep her problem cat from bullying the others. Her post wasn’t sent as an endorsement, it was just her private email to me: "I had the unit from Sunday afternoon until Tuesday Morning. I was certainly pleased with the night effect.  I wasn’t so sure about the amount of the day time effect.  Until I took it back. Within half an hour, the monsters had resurfaced.  I wondered if I could break into Elaine’s house and if she would notice :) " Here’s the complete posts: Hi Jerry, I wrote to you a week or so ago about the unit. I have since borrowed one from Elaine Mc Clung. She speaks very highly of it. So, I brought it home and plugged it in.  Of course, I wanted it to come on, all the barking stop, and have every one immediately fall to the floor in little comas for a few hours. Well, after I got all 27 of them to be quiet, still no comas. But, it had only been 36 seconds at that point. So, I gave it a little longer.  Still no comas.  Was this really going to work?  I mean, I do have an unusual situation. So, by bedtime, a few hours later.  I started to notice just how many were asleep already – with their feet in the air!  I started to have hope. During the night, all was calm.  In the morning when I got up, only a few of them WALKED quietly to the door to go out.  Not the usual evacuation. I had the unit from Sunday afternoon until Tuesday Morning. I was certainly pleased with the night effect.  I wasn’t so sure about the amount of the day time effect.  Until I took it back. Within half an hour, the monsters had resurfaced.  I wondered if I could break into Elaine’s house and if she would notice :) I know another person who does dog rescue. She rescues Beagles.  She has 23 in an 1100 square foot house.  God bless her.  She is interested to see if it will work for her.  I also spoke to someone else who does cat rescue, and she is interested.  The cat rescue people have monthly meetings. Maybe Elaine could give a word or two about it. So, if there are any words of advice you can send my way about the best way to use it in my case, I would appreciate it.  I of course wanted to keep it on the highest setting, but don’t know if that is advised, even with my situation of so many new ones coming and (too few) going. Also, how I and others can go about getting one, etc.  I think the vets should have the info in their offices.  It must help dogs with separation anxiety.  My vet practices homeopathic as well as traditional medicine, so I would think it would be right up her alley. Thank you. Desiree M Webber A New Leash On And here’s one from Elain McClung: Hi Jerry, I do think your product is a valuable tool in helping with aggression and other behavior problems. I am in  Feral Cat Network (we spray and neuter approximately 100 feral cats a month), I am also a member of a local AKC dog obedience club, member of a local AKC agility club, president of Pet Rescue, board member of the Alliance for Care and Welfare of Animals (on the board are: county commissioner, vet. rep., rep. from AKC dog club, CFA cat club, assistant County Manager, head of animal control, director of two different shelters, etc.). I would not recommend your product if I did not believe in it. Well, we have been running Doggy Do Right for a while (3 weeks) now and would appear that it is working. We are still on the lowest setting, but my cat aggressive dog is now much calmer with the little fur balls getting near her. Not perfect, but much improved! I do think that you need a more universal name than Doggy Do Right, (hence: and Kitty Will To) as it appears to have drastically cut the spraying problem down that we have with our crowded cat situation. I am going to send an e-mail to Domesti-Cats club, Feral Cat Network and Space Cats Club as a lot of the members have some of the same problems with their cats. It has also lessened the number of nightly cat fights. Thanks Elaine. Doggy Do Right and Jerry Howe: I do have a Doggy Do Right and have had it for about one year. It truly does work – at least on my Dobe, Chelsea. Chelsea was the unhappy recipient of several failed attempts at obedience training, both in a "class" environment and with a personal trainer. She is very high spirited and strong and, unfortunately, spoiled, since we are an older couple who doted on our dog. We were lucky enough to find Jerry Howe and to not only buy a Doggy Do Right, but to also have him personally work with Chelsea. His methods are wonderful and effective. Chelsea is not a dog that you will bully, and I wouldn’t dream of hurting her. After Jerry spent time with her, she no longer jumped on furniture, ate food off the counter, and pulled me incessantly on the leash. She is calmer and we are all happier. Well, it is a very long story and I won’t bore you will the details, but suffice it to say that Jerry Howe saved the day for our dog and for us. Marge Hoffman

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Hey Jer… You forgot to mention that the link you posted does NOT go to the free training manual. You also forgot to mention that the link you posted goes DIRECTLY to the page where you SELL your dubious $100 electronic training device. It is the classic "bait & switch" scam. EdW http://Petloss.com/inthenws.htm BTW Jer, an unhappy purchaser of your bogus $100 training device has posted a review at:

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How is it that you comdemn so many methods or trainers, and know so much about them?

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> How is it that you comdemn so many methods or > trainers, and know so much about them?

Hello Ruffruff1, I’ll take your question as an honest attempt to clarify the issues and concerns of our news group. I’ve been in this business for three dozen years. I work predominantly with giant breed dogs. Not confronting or hurting dogs in training was simply SURVIVAL INSTINCT. My LIFE depends on it. Working with dogs who equal my weight or outweigh me by twenty five to fifty pounds, presents a real threat to the trainer’s well being, as does forcing, confronting, and physically correcting them, threatens the lives of our dogs. I’ve been cripped up a couple of times, and that’s ONLY because the dog reflexed or had a "superstitious response" stemming from memories of a previous abusive situation, usually at the hands of another professional trainer, and caught me unprepared to pull off a distraction and praise technique. HOWE do I know so much about the other methods?  I’ve studied them, just as our Gang Of Thugs have. I study lots of things, especially dogs and human nature. I know what works effectively without risk to the handler, and without jeaopardizing the dog’s temperment, to accomplish a training objective. I also know the faults in the thinking of trainers who do not regard these issues as relevant. MOST of them are used to bullying a little dog like the pit bull or G.S.D. Little? Yes, to me, they’re nice LITTLE dogs. My Mastiffs and Danes are capable of picking the average man up by the middle and walking off with him like a valise. The trainers and posters here tell quite a story in every word they use. I read each post carefully, looking for the telltale tones and underlying attitudes, and I carefully consider each adjective and adverb they use, and what their issues, concerns, and complaints are, to decypher HOWE and WHY their dog is responding to them as he is. That tells me a lot about their approach to dealing with behavior problems. I seldom ask questions of our posters, because there is no need to, when the training problem is examined from the viewpoint of what’s going in the big picture. Most trainer need to see a behavior happening, before they can devise a scheme to correct the problem. My approach obviates all of that. Looking at dog training from the basics of establishing a solid foundation of mutual respect, demonstrated self discipline, and consistently gentle handling, makes it easy to not fall victim to personalizing and internalizing the dog’s attmpts to confound my training goals. Not reacting  to genuinely dangerous or fearful situations any differently than to an inocuous behavior, defuses the dog, and allows us to respond from a level of higher thinking, rather than from the baser, gut level, survival instinct. Not challenging dogs over behavior problems allows the dog to overcome HIS fears and concerns about the forces which frighten and anger him. That sets the most resoursceful state of mind, for LEARNING Other methods of training do not consider these vital aspects of control and proper behavior. They focus on MAKING the dog work, or MAKING the dog behave, NOT ALLOWING MISTAKES, and all their efforts are responded to by the dog, with his opposition to being controlled. Mistakes are an integral part of LEARNING. Each mistake is not a failure, but an opportunity to learn and understand what the desirable outcome is. My dogs train up several times faster than dogs trained through other methods, because the dog is led THROUGH towards HIS choiceS of POSSIBLE OUTCOMES, till we have finally boxed him in, to perfect behavior. And it only takes a few hours, not weeks and months of redundant, boring, rote training. So, you can see HOWE very few training methods there could be, that would not in SOME WAY, alienate the dog. Ask yourself "WHY DOESN’T JERRY HURT DOGS TO TRAIN THEM?" And then just answer "BECAUSE JERRY KNOWS HOWE TO TRAIN DOGS WITHOUT HURTING THEM." And THEN SAY OUT LOUD: "IGNORE JERRY, HE’S MEAN TO DOG ABUSERS." You can get all the information you need to PROPERLY handle and train your dog using non force, non confronatational, scientific and psychological methods, in the Wits’ End Dog Training Method manual available for free at http://www.doggydoright.com The Wits’ End Dog Training Method manual is provided courtesy of  the BIOSOUND Scientific Elves as an alternative to Doggy Do Right (and Kitty Will Too). Your pal, Jerry "The Phony," Howe.

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