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Hello marquis de "read koehler for content," shaw,
> Most, though not all, newsreaders enable you to automatically mark > certain posts or threads as read. This is usually referred to as a > killfile or a filter.
You want people to killfile Jerry, because Jerry has EXPOSED our lying, dog abusing Thugs as the vicious COWARDS they are. Here’s PROOF: Hello People, lyinglynn writes to a new foster dog care giver: "For barking in the crate – leave the leash on and pass it through the crate door. Attach a line to it. When he barks, use the line for a correction." lyinlynn says: "I LOVE KOEHLER," and in the next breath denies being a ‘koehler trainer.’ Is that because she shocks dogs, and koehler never had a shock collar? Pity that he was born too late to benefit from such a wondrous teaching tool, ISN’T it??? BESIDES, WHAT’S SO WRONG being a koehelr trainer, THAT lying"I LOVE KOEHLER"lynn AND CINDYMORON BOTH DENY USING THE KOEHLER METHODS THAT THEY TEACH??? Or is it just that lying is in vogue??? Amy Dahl LIES with a straight face and says: "I don’t beat dogs, twist ears, or pinch toes. For the benefit of anyone who is in doubt, and who chooses not to read the article, there is NO mention in it of "twisting ears. I would never slap a dog. I would never advise anyone to slap a dog. I do not believe there is a single circumstance, ever, where slapping a dog is anything but destructive." AND THEN SHE SAYS: " Any refusals are corrected with the ear pinch. When performance is smooth, the stick can be added just as in the fetch from a sitting position. If the previous steps have been carefully done, the dog will soon be lunging eagerly for each dummy as soon as it sees it" THAT’S THE EXCITED, HAPPY LOOK THEIR DOGS SHOW… IT’S TERROR!!!
"Nope. That "beating dogs with sticks" things is something you twisted out of context, because you are full of bizarro manure." LIAR. I’ll just copy a direct quote or two or three or four or five or six… HOWE many direct quotes would you like??? "Get a stick 30- or 40-inches long. You can have a helper wield the stick, or do it yourself. Tougher, less tractable dogs may require you to progress to striking them more sharply. With your hand on the collar and ear, say, ‘fetch.’ Immediately tap the dog on the hindquarters with the stick. Repeat "fetch" and pinch the ear all the way to the dummy. Repeat, varying how hard you hit the dog, "Now you are ready to progress to what most people think of as force-fetching: the ear pinch. but will squeal, thrash around, and direct their efforts to escaping the ear pinch You can press the dog’s ear with a shotshell instead of your thumb; even get a studded collar and pinch the ear against that Make the dog’s need to stop the pinching so urgent that resisting your will fades in importance. Say "fetch" while pressing the dummy against its lips and pinching its ear. if the dog still does not open its mouth, get out the shotshell. Try pinching the ear between the metal casing and the collar, even the buckle on the collar. Persist! Eventually, the dog will give in" http://www.oakhillkennel.com/library/force/force1.html http://www.oakhillkennel.com/library/force/force2.html While force-fetching is now complete, training has become more varied and interesting and we are sure you will want to continue." HOWE does varying HOWE you are HURTING the dog make it more INTERESTING? You can’t do something that’s WRONG, right, NO MATTER HOWE hard you try. Dogs DIE because of inappropriate handling and training techniques. There is NEVER any need to jerk and choke and shock or pinch and twist dog’s body parts or beat dogs with sticks to MOTIVATE them. You can get all the information you need to properly handle and train your dog using non force, non confrontational, scientific and psychological behavior modification and conditioning techniques, from the Wits’ End Dog Training Method manual available for free at http://www.doggydoright.com BEWARE the forgeries to confuse you, and the warnings offered to you from our rpdb Gang Of Thugs regarding killfiling my posts and the Wits’ End Dog Training Method manual. These people are frantic at the thought of not having anymore EXCUSE for being able to jerk, choke, and hurt dogs on pronged, choke, and electronic shock collars. You cannot trust your dog’s well being to people who tell you to killfile my advice…and tell you to punish, confine, and confront your dog’s behavior problems. Our Gang Of Thugs are easily identifiable by their warnings about my posts, and their killfile instructions to prevent me from EXPOSING THEM as the vicious, abusive, cretins they are, AND WANT YOU TO BE, so they don’t look out of sorts. "Thus we should beware of clinging to vulgar opinions, and judge things by reason’s way, not by popular say." -Montaigne- "Violence is the last refuge of the incompetent." -Salvor Hardin- "If you cannot convince them, confuse them." -H.S. Truman- DRAINING THE SWAMP, AND RELOCATING THE GATORS… j;~) "CUSTOM WILL RECONCILE PEOPLE TO ANY ATROCITY." - G.B. Shaw – "I know that most men, including those at ease with problems of the greatest complexity, can seldom accept even the simplest and most obvious truth if it would oblige them to admit the falsity of conclusions which they have delighted in explaining to colleagues, proudly taught to others, and which they have woven, thread by thread, into the fabric of their lives." -Leo Tolstoy- Is it any wonder that the following sig file has generated more complaints to my personal email than any other controversial post I have made to date, bar none?: -CAVEAT- If you have to do things to your dog to train him, that you would rather not have to do, then you shouldn’t be doing them. If you have a dog trainer who tells you to jerk your dog around, choke him, pinch his ears, or twist his toes, shock, scruff shake, slap, scold, chin cuff, hit, or punish your dog in any manner, that corrections are appropriate, that the dog won’t think of you as the punisher, that you’ve got to be "firm," or that corrections are not harmful, or if they can’t train your dog to do what you want, look for a trainer who knows HOWE. You can get all the information you need to PROPERLY handle and train your dog using non force, non confronatational, scientific and psychological conditioning and deconditioning techniques in the Wits’ End Dog Training Method manual available for free at http://www.doggydoright.com The Wits’ End Dog Training Method manual is provided compliments of the BIOSOUND Scientific Elves as an alternative to Doggy Do Right (and Kitty Will Too). For additional FREE help for any dog or cat behavior questions, please call or write. Sincerely, Jerry Howe, Director of Training, Wits’ End Dog Training Director of Research, BIOSOUND Scientific 1611 24th St Orlando, FL 32805 Fax: (208)460-4270 Phone: 1-407-425-5092 http://www.doggydoright.com Nature, to be mastered, must be obeyed. -Francis Bacon- There are terrible people who, instead of solving a problem, bungle it and make it more difficult for all who come after. Who ever can’t hit the nail on the head should, please, not hit at all. -Nietzsche- The abilities to think, rationalize and solve problems are learned qualities. The Wits’ End Dog Training Method challenges the learning centers in the dogs brain. These centers, once challenged, develop and continue to grow to make him smarter. The Wits’ End Dog Training method capitalizes on praising split seconds of canine thought, strategy, and timing, not mindless hours of forced repetition, constant corrections, and scolding. -Jerry Howe-
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Most, though not all, newsreaders enable you to automatically mark certain posts or threads as read. This is usually referred to as a killfile or a filter. Instructions on how to create a killfile for some of the more common newsreaders are below. If yours isn’t listed, try looking in your browser under "help." Disclaimer: These instructions have been compiled from a variety of sources. I only use rn myself so if the instructions below can’t help you, I can’t either. Conversely, if you have any additions or corrections to this list, please feel free to email me at reposted. Many, many thanks to everyone who’s contributed!–Dianne Schoenberg AGENT Pull down the ‘Window’ on the Menu. Go to Usenet Filters and click on that. The first icon on the toolbox should be to ‘Add Kill Filter’. Click on that. The edit window will come up. In the area ‘Filter Expression’, write ’Jerry Howe’. And then under ‘Kill Action’, mark whatever little button you want. AOL 5.0 (note: versions prior to 5.0 lack killfiles) From the newsgroups window, choose preferences and a window will open that says, "Global newsgroup preferences." Click on the filtering tab (there should be filtering, viewing, and posting tabs). Select filter type from the pulldown menu. Enter the filter in the text field below the pulldown menu. Then click on the "add filter" button below the text field. Then click "save" at the bottom of the page, and you’re done. FREE AGENT Regrettably, Free Agent does not have a filter feature. Shell out the few bucks for the upgrade; I’m told you won’t regret it. MT NEWSREADER FOR THE MAC: Lets you killfile in a large number of ways. When a window showing one article is foremost (and when an article is highlighted in a window showing the list of articles for a group), a couple of entries on the ’Filter’ submenu of the Edit menu are enabled. These are ‘Filter this author…’ and ‘Filter this subject…’, which create author or subject filters for the active articles respectively. NETSCAPE COMMUNICATOR Under the Edit Menu, choose the Message Filters… command. In the resulting dialog box, click the New button to define a new filter. Give the filter a name, like "Filter Jerry." Set the criteria for the filter. For example, "sender is Jerry Howe" or "subject contains ninnyboy". Select what to do with filtered messages (delete, ignore, etc…) Click OK. You may have to disconnect and reconnect for it to take effect. OUTLOOK EXPRESS 5.0 Go to the toolbar at the top of any post written by the person you wish to banish from your computer. Click on "Message"; then, on the drop-down menu, click on "Block Sender". To filter out certain messages rather than blocking a sender entirely you can create message ‘rules.’ Say you want to filter out all messages containing ‘ninnyboy’ in the subject line. Go to Message, Create Rule from Message. Select the condition for each message rule you want to create and apply. RN & TRN To create a global killfile in either of these newsreaders, create a file in your News directory called KILL (this must be in all capital letters). Use any text editor to enter the following line into it: newsgroup you read. TIN Read a message from the person you want to killfile or with the subject heading you want to killfile. While that’s on the screen, hit ctrl and k at the same time (^k). A questionaire type screen appears. Return is like saying yes. Space will toggle from the "subject header" to the "sent from" line. In other words, you can choose to kill anything from a particular person or to kill anything with a particular word in the subject heading. I recommend killfiling people instead of killfiling words because I might want to kill a subject about "lying dirt bags" today but want to read something about a dog "lying in dirt" tomorrow. The people stay more constant than the subject lines. Toggle with the space bar until you have the combination you want and then hit return several times to send. The subject line and sent from line should already be typed in if you were in the message screen when you hit ctrl k. Doesn’t work? There’s a question that reads kill pattern. Sometimes I have to type in the person’s name exactly the way it reads on the sent from line. I’m not sure why. X-NEWS When reading an article, press ‘k’ to add the poster to the plonk file. It will then ask you for an expiration period – 100 days is the default. If you want a person permanently zapped, change "100" to "0". XRN (At least, version 9.02. Don’t know about earlier versions) With an article from the troll in question selected, hold shift while clicking the "Author Kill" button to kill for the current group. To kill for ALL groups, use the Control key instead of the shift key.
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Hello marquis de "read koehler for content," shaw, > Most, though not all, newsreaders enable you to > automatically mark certain posts or threads as read. > This is usually referred to as a killfile or a filter.
What’s your purpose for encouraging people to killfile others? Are you AFRAID of something? I’ll bet you are. I’ll bet you’re AFRAID to be embarassed by the truth. Here’s some filter advice that will help you out in real life as well as on the news groups: USE YOUR BRAIN. If a post makes sense, it’s probably sensible… HOWE’S THAT? Here’s more: The following will give YOU some NEW OPTIONS: "Hello Soup, Sounds like BUNK to me… What evidence do you have to support your proposition the brain is really capable of recognizing and discriminating good from bad information??? There is NO EVIDENCE whatsoever supporting what you suggest here, and I think you are just trying to SCAM good people out of their minds, by making them use them all up… PEOPLE!!! Don’t listen to this scam artist who only wants you to THINK, so he can scam you out of you mind while it is being preoccupied with his distraction technique… Don’t be fooled! Thinking can be dangerous! Reading information will give you ideas. CAVEAT EMPTOR. Jerry."
– Hide quoted text — Show quoted text -> HOW TO FILTER POSTS ON NEWSGROUPS WITHOUT > KILLFILES > A SUPERDOG STATION EXCLUSIVE > I’ve found this incredible way to filter posts which I want > to share with you all, actually, I’ve been using it for a > few years now and you won’t believe it when I tell you how > powerful it is…I know this sounds complicated, but all you > have to do is look at posts/threads, decide which you think > you might want to read, and then read them. The ones you > don’t want to read, (listen carefully now…you don’t > read). > You see, you actually use something called your "BraIN" and > believe it or not, your eyes cooperate and if your "BraIN" > tells them not to read something, they won’t. Of course, > your hand has to cooperate with your brain by not clicking > unless it is told to. > Sexual predators, Heads of State, mimes, and people with > Parkinson’s Disease often have trouble controlling their > hands, but most everyone else should be okay. > Scientists have proven the filtering ability of the brain > with double blind experiments in Rhesus Monkeys. Of course, > many critics argue that doubly blinded monkeys are rendered > poor subjects for experiments involving sight and/or > perception, but what do these yahyahhing critics know > anyway? > Anyway, this "BraIN" thing is really cool. Many of you > people should try it sometime. It’s good for other things > besides newsgroups too! You can impress all your friends > and neighbors with it, and you can even use it to seduce > older teenagers like Britney Spears, middle-aged teenagers > like Christina Aguilera or even brand spankin new teenagers > like Mandy Moore, if they live close by. > DISCLAIMER: > (please do not trespass on private property to seduce > teenagers, regardless of age, unless you get written > permission from their parents or guardians). > HOW TO USE YOUR BRAIN IN NETSCAPE > Instead of filtering people, I filter threads and posts. I > typically read about 10-20% of the posts here, because I > don’t have time to read them all….in Netscape, I just read > the ones I want to read, then I hit SHIFT-C (which marks all > messages read) > Or…the long way by clicking up top > Messages—> > Mark—-> > all read > Then I just close the window and I’m done. Then next time I > open it, only new messages appear. If I find an interesting > thread, where I want to go back and read the whole thing, I > can go back and mark the whole thread unread and read it. > View—> > Messages—> > all > HOW TO USE YOUR BRAIN IN OUTLOOK > read the help > HOW TO USE YOUR BRAIN IN AGENT > read the help > HOW TO USE YOUR BRAIN IN AOL > obviously, if you use AOL for newsgroups you can’t > JUST KIDDING! I was just yah yahhing you there. > read the help > HOW TO USE YOUR BRAIN IN EUDORA > read the help > HOW TO USE YOUR BRAIN IN XNEWS > read the help > HOW TO USE YOUR BRAIN in other programs, > see above and extrapolate (a fancy way of using your brain) > Yours for dogs, law and order, the American Way, and the > keeping of the ruffians, the ya yahhers, the troublemakers, > the cat callers, and the "up to no good" at bay… > This is Michael > Reporting Live… > http://dogtv.com
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hip, hip hooray…. Looks like you don’t need blinders on….. I never need a kill file…..
– Hide quoted text — Show quoted text -> Hello marquis de "read koehler for content," shaw, > Most, though not all, newsreaders enable you to > automatically mark certain posts or threads as read. > This is usually referred to as a killfile or a filter. > What’s your purpose for encouraging people to killfile others? Are you > AFRAID of something? I’ll bet you are. I’ll bet you’re AFRAID to be > embarassed by the truth. > Here’s some filter advice that will help you out in real > life as well as on the news groups: > USE YOUR BRAIN. If a post makes sense, it’s probably > sensible… HOWE’S THAT? > Here’s more: > The following will give YOU some NEW OPTIONS: > "Hello Soup, > Sounds like BUNK to me… What evidence do you have > to support your proposition the brain is really capable > of recognizing and discriminating good from bad > information??? > There is NO EVIDENCE whatsoever supporting what > you suggest here, and I think you are just trying to > SCAM good people out of their minds, by making them > use them all up… > PEOPLE!!! Don’t listen to this scam artist who only > wants you to THINK, so he can scam you out of you > mind while it is being preoccupied with his distraction > technique… > Don’t be fooled! Thinking can be dangerous! Reading > information will give you ideas. > CAVEAT EMPTOR. Jerry." > HOW TO FILTER POSTS ON NEWSGROUPS WITHOUT > KILLFILES > A SUPERDOG STATION EXCLUSIVE > I’ve found this incredible way to filter posts which I want > to share with you all, actually, I’ve been using it for a > few years now and you won’t believe it when I tell you how > powerful it is…I know this sounds complicated, but all you > have to do is look at posts/threads, decide which you think > you might want to read, and then read them. The ones you > don’t want to read, (listen carefully now…you don’t > read). > You see, you actually use something called your "BraIN" and > believe it or not, your eyes cooperate and if your "BraIN" > tells them not to read something, they won’t. Of course, > your hand has to cooperate with your brain by not clicking > unless it is told to. > Sexual predators, Heads of State, mimes, and people with > Parkinson’s Disease often have trouble controlling their > hands, but most everyone else should be okay. > Scientists have proven the filtering ability of the brain > with double blind experiments in Rhesus Monkeys. Of course, > many critics argue that doubly blinded monkeys are rendered > poor subjects for experiments involving sight and/or > perception, but what do these yahyahhing critics know > anyway? > Anyway, this "BraIN" thing is really cool. Many of you > people should try it sometime. It’s good for other things > besides newsgroups too! You can impress all your friends > and neighbors with it, and you can even use it to seduce > older teenagers like Britney Spears, middle-aged teenagers > like Christina Aguilera or even brand spankin new teenagers > like Mandy Moore, if they live close by. > DISCLAIMER: > (please do not trespass on private property to seduce > teenagers, regardless of age, unless you get written > permission from their parents or guardians). > HOW TO USE YOUR BRAIN IN NETSCAPE > Instead of filtering people, I filter threads and posts. I > typically read about 10-20% of the posts here, because I > don’t have time to read them all….in Netscape, I just read > the ones I want to read, then I hit SHIFT-C (which marks all > messages read) > Or…the long way by clicking up top > Messages—> > Mark—-> > all read > Then I just close the window and I’m done. Then next time I > open it, only new messages appear. If I find an interesting > thread, where I want to go back and read the whole thing, I > can go back and mark the whole thread unread and read it. > View—> > Messages—> > all > HOW TO USE YOUR BRAIN IN OUTLOOK > read the help > HOW TO USE YOUR BRAIN IN AGENT > read the help > HOW TO USE YOUR BRAIN IN AOL > obviously, if you use AOL for newsgroups you can’t > JUST KIDDING! I was just yah yahhing you there. > read the help > HOW TO USE YOUR BRAIN IN EUDORA > read the help > HOW TO USE YOUR BRAIN IN XNEWS > read the help > HOW TO USE YOUR BRAIN in other programs, > see above and extrapolate (a fancy way of using your brain) > Yours for dogs, law and order, the American Way, and the > keeping of the ruffians, the ya yahhers, the troublemakers, > the cat callers, and the "up to no good" at bay… > This is Michael > Reporting Live… > http://dogtv.com
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MAYBE, just MAYBE you missed the point of my post… Unless your intention’s simply to just "preach to the choir," well.. your (as-in the group) constant attacks on his dog-collar any time he claims you’re abusing dogs, well… causes the "hmm.." radar to flicker… I’ve used my own "training methods" ("good with animals" and such) so I’ve no interest in any of what either side has to offer.. just an interested Imagine watching an "old fort show" and noticing that the fort-occupiers are trying to distract the attacking soldiers’ attention from the fort instead of shooting/lobbing at ‘em from it…. It’d cause visions of glass-houses, red fish, etc… whether it’s true or not, wouldn’t it? Of course, you probably don’t care what "outsiders" think if you’re just here for the "sake of arguing"…. – Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – > A person who would require a "that’s not true" post in order to doubt the > truth of the statements is probably going to have difficulty > understanding the difference between claims and evidence. They also will > likely have difficulty understanding things such as context. In order to > explain it more posts would have to be written. This group is NOT > rec.pets.dogs.jerry Those of us who wish to enjoy the group have better > things to do than teach people critical thinking skills.
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>What do you mean, dogman?
To explain further, dogman, though I shouldn’t need to: I’ve said before, and often, that I don’t have any problem with training tools used correctly. I haven’t used either a prong or choke collar and am not knowledgeable in their use. So I have never commented on them, pro or con, other than to advise making sure that the trainer knows what he’s doing. — –Matt. Rocky’s a Dog.
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>>Where? When? >Et tu, brute?
What do you mean, dogman? — –Matt. Rocky’s a Dog.
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– Hide quoted text — Show quoted text -> Got an easier killfile. Simply go to: > <http://www.desisoft.com/fixnews/> > and follow the instructions! Works on Netscape > ONLY- but, allows blocking of messages by > subject/author/etc. > You don’t have to hate Jerry Howe to use one. You > just have to hate wasting the time it takes to > download and scan the continual crap some posters > throw at the newsgroups. It’s good for trolls; does > Jerry qualify? Who knows! But, if ya bug me, Z A > P !!! Yer GONE, FOREVER! And, I never have to read > your posts, nor see your name again. A certain small > dog lover called me a bad name a year ago-he’s gone! > Accolade Kennels > Bullmastiffs and English and French Bulldogs > Howard Conaway
Hello Howeard, Here’s some filter advice that will help you out in real life as well as on the news groups: USE YOUR BRAIN. If a post makes sense, it’s probably sensible… HOWE’S THAT? Here’s more: The following will give YOU some NEW OPTIONS: "Hello Soup, Sounds like BUNK to me… What evidence do you have to support your proposition the brain is really capable of recognizing and discriminating good from bad information??? There is NO EVIDENCE whatsoever supporting what you suggest here, and I think you are just trying to SCAM good people out of their minds, by making them use them all up… PEOPLE!!! Don’t listen to this scam artist who only wants you to THINK, so he can scam you out of you mind while it is being preoccupied with his distraction technique… Don’t be fooled! Thinking can be dangerous! Reading information will give you ideas. CAVEAT EMPTOR. Jerry."
– Hide quoted text — Show quoted text -> HOW TO FILTER POSTS ON NEWSGROUPS WITHOUT > KILLFILES > A SUPERDOG STATION EXCLUSIVE > I’ve found this incredible way to filter posts which I want > to share with you all, actually, I’ve been using it for a > few years now and you won’t believe it when I tell you how > powerful it is…I know this sounds complicated, but all you > have to do is look at posts/threads, decide which you think > you might want to read, and then read them. The ones you > don’t want to read, (listen carefully now…you don’t > read). > You see, you actually use something called your "BraIN" and > believe it or not, your eyes cooperate and if your "BraIN" > tells them not to read something, they won’t. Of course, > your hand has to cooperate with your brain by not clicking > unless it is told to. > Sexual predators, Heads of State, mimes, and people with > Parkinson’s Disease often have trouble controlling their > hands, but most everyone else should be okay. > Scientists have proven the filtering ability of the brain > with double blind experiments in Rhesus Monkeys. Of course, > many critics argue that doubly blinded monkeys are rendered > poor subjects for experiments involving sight and/or > perception, but what do these yahyahhing critics know > anyway? > Anyway, this "BraIN" thing is really cool. Many of you > people should try it sometime. It’s good for other things > besides newsgroups too! You can impress all your friends > and neighbors with it, and you can even use it to seduce > older teenagers like Britney Spears, middle-aged teenagers > like Christina Aguilera or even brand spankin new teenagers > like Mandy Moore, if they live close by. > DISCLAIMER: > (please do not trespass on private property to seduce > teenagers, regardless of age, unless you get written > permission from their parents or guardians). > HOW TO USE YOUR BRAIN IN NETSCAPE > Instead of filtering people, I filter threads and posts. I > typically read about 10-20% of the posts here, because I > don’t have time to read them all….in Netscape, I just read > the ones I want to read, then I hit SHIFT-C (which marks all > messages read) > Or…the long way by clicking up top > Messages—> > Mark—-> > all read > Then I just close the window and I’m done. Then next time I > open it, only new messages appear. If I find an interesting > thread, where I want to go back and read the whole thing, I > can go back and mark the whole thread unread and read it. > View—> > Messages—> > all > HOW TO USE YOUR BRAIN IN OUTLOOK > read the help > HOW TO USE YOUR BRAIN IN AGENT > read the help > HOW TO USE YOUR BRAIN IN AOL > obviously, if you use AOL for newsgroups you can’t > JUST KIDDING! I was just yah yahhing you there. > read the help > HOW TO USE YOUR BRAIN IN EUDORA > read the help > HOW TO USE YOUR BRAIN IN XNEWS > read the help > HOW TO USE YOUR BRAIN in other programs, > see above and extrapolate (a fancy way of using your brain) > Yours for dogs, law and order, the American Way, and the > keeping of the ruffians, the ya yahhers, the troublemakers, > the cat callers, and the "up to no good" at bay… > This is Michael > Reporting Live… > http://dogtv.com
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>>You said you use a pronged choke collar… >Where? When?
Et tu, brute? — Dogman http://www.i1.net/~dogman For everything you’ve ever wanted to know about our newsgroup’s many TROLLS: http://www.i1.net/~dogman/trolls.html "I really dislike – thats (sic) too harsh but the best I can state it – the entire sporting group and cannot imagine being forced to live with one – not my types at all!" Nancy Holmes
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>You said you use a pronged choke collar…
Where? When? — –Matt. Rocky’s a Dog.
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Got an easier killfile. Simply go to: <http://www.desisoft.com/fixnews/> and follow the instructions! Works on Netscape ONLY- but, allows blocking of messages by subject/author/etc. You don’t have to hate Jerry Howe to use one. You just have to hate wasting the time it takes to download and scan the continual crap some posters throw at the newsgroups. It’s good for trolls; does Jerry qualify? Who knows! But, if ya bug me, Z A P !!! Yer GONE, FOREVER! And, I never have to read your posts, nor see your name again. A certain small dog lover called me a bad name a year ago-he’s gone! Accolade Kennels Bullmastiffs and English and French Bulldogs Howard Conaway
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Hello lyingdoc dermer,
writes: >And what about his training info? 
Does that really > work? > Dear BD, > Have your read this:
http://home.earthlink.net/~tdwillis/Harlan/concerns.html > ?
Is that the best you can do, professor? Why don’t you just grade my work like you’d do one of them kids you’re ripping off in school? You’re a PROFESSOR. Don’t you think you can find ONE criticism of my work? You CAN’T, lying doc. And you WON’T defend your endorsement of koehler. You’ve killfiled Marilyn, because she’s got your number. Canis55 too. They’ve never been RUDE to you. I understand you being offended by my rudness. Our koheler trainers are a sensitive sort. > –Marshall
Your food bribes may work well in a lab cage, but they don’t work well in the real world where we don’t deprive food and twist and pinch ears and toes or shock and choke dogs. Oh, I forgot. You approve of that too. > I have read rpdb for about four years. Consequently, I > urge newbies to attend to the civil and rational posts > of the rpdb regulars from whom I have > learned much. > They include: Amy Dahl,
Here’s a quote from lyingfrosty dahl: "Get a stick 30- or 40-inches long. You can have a helper wield the stick, or do it yourself. Tougher, less tractable dogs may require you to progress to striking them more sharply. REPEAT, VARYING HOW HARD YOU HIT THE DOG" moore lyingfrosty dahl: "I would never advise anyone to slap a dog I do not believe there is a single circumstance, ever, where slapping a dog is anything but destructive." RIGHT. She PINCHES, not twists… and chin cuff doesn’t mean hit, according to lyinglynn and avrama… amy lyingfrosty dahl continues: Make the dog’s need to stop the pinching so urgent that resisting your will fades in importance. but will squeal, thrash around, and direct their efforts to escaping the ear pinch even get a studded collar and pinch the ear against that if the dog still does not open its mouth, get out the shotshell. Try pinching the ear between the metal casing and the collar, even the buckle on the collar. Persist! Eventually, the dog will give in" Immediately tap the dog on the hindquarters with the stick. Repeat "fetch" and pinch the ear all the way to the dummy. Gotta LOVE koehler. dahl makes koheler look like St. Francis. > Janet Boss,
See the thread "Interested in hearing." > Diane Blackman,
Cuts poo in half lengthwise and fills it with hot sauce and MSG. And argues to defend HURTING dogs. > Cindy Tittle Moore,
Banned from training at two obedience clubs. Twists and pinches ears and toes, shoves fingers down puppy’s mouths to break them of mouthing, shocks and jerks and chokes dog on pronged choke collars, chin cuffs, scruff shakes, knees dogs in the chest, throws them down by their ears and climbs on them like a raped ape (the "heaviest weapon in my dog training arsenal."), shoves dog’s heads under water she’s filled into holes the dog has dug, and recommends the koehler book to learn to HANG dogs in the event her regular training methods cause temperment problems in SOME poorly bred dogs… > Susan Fraser,
Does all the same, but says she doesn’t hurt. See the thread "bonding." > Avrama Gingold,
Her dog bashed her teeth down her throat on a come command because he learned to be sneaky as she’d taught him. She’d wait till he wasn’t looking and jerk him to make him come, trying to make him think that he accidentally choked himself. Dogs aren’t stupid. The dog got even, and faked her out making her think it was an accident when he bashed her face in on a recall. That’s allomimetic behavior AT IT’S BEST, professor. > Lynn Kosmakos,
Title lying"I LOVE KOEHLER"lynn. A proven liar and dog abuser. > Bob Maida,
He’s never given any advice except killfile Jerry and "don’t let him do that" He turned away carol saying another trainer could help her more with a dog aggression problem. He couldn’t have her coming back here saying Jerry was right, boob hurt my dog to train him. boob’s trained dogs for thirty two years, and he hasn’t learned a thing. He ays he tells his students to read cindymooreon’s page, and they report they learn a lot from it. I’ll bet… He even told me he’d ENDORSE my methods if I’d lay off of you bums. He’s "only trying to make a living," he said. > Nancy Holmes,
She’s not too bad, but she does use a shock fence. She’s trying to wean herself almost completely off of force training. > MaryBeth,
Now here’s a true psycho. She lets her dogs eat poo straight out of each other’s butts. She’ll twist words as fast as cindymooreon twists ears and toes. > Denna Pace,
"There’s much wisdom in koehler." Her dogs run away. > Ludwig Smith,
Another koehler trainer. Recommends cindymooreon’s website. > John Richardson,
He’s a koehler trainer, and he kills any pit bulls that growl at a human. He’s a vicious thug. He can’t understand not hurting dogs to train them. He likes dog aggressive dogs, that’s his breed’s character. NO PROBLEM. He’s afraid of dogs, likes dog fighting dogs, and kills any pit bull who growls at a human to protect the good reputation of the breed, so he can keep enjoying fighting dogs in the tradition of the dogmen who brought us this wonderful bloodsport breed. He’s a freak. > Jane Webb,
She trains come with treats and praise, and she proofs it with the shock collar. The man said "geessusss!" as Moon flipped assoverbucket in the air when he got shocked. > and Terri Willis.
Yes, psychoclown. She LOVES to HURT dogs to train them.
"Nope. That "beating dogs with sticks" things is something you twisted out of context, because you are full of bizarro manure." From koehler: "While he’s held in close, lay the strap vigorously against his thighs. Keep pouring it on him until he thinks it’s the bitter end. A real whaling now may cut down somewhat on the number of repeat performances that will be necessary. When you’re finished and the dog is convinced that he is, put him on a long down to think things over while you catch your breath." Koehler On Correcting The Housebreaking Backslider. "If the punishment is not severe enough, some of these "backsliders" will think they’re winning and will continue to mess in the house. An indelible impression can sometimes be made by giving the dog a hard spanking of long duration, then leaving him tied by the mess he’s made so you can come back at twenty minute intervals and punish him again for the same thing. (Dogs are REALLY stupid. J.H.) Koehler On Correcting The Barking Dog "Thunder through the door or gate, snatch up the belt that you’ve conveniently placed, and descend on him. He’ll have no chance to dodge if you grab the line and reel him in until his front feet are raised off the floor or, if he’s a big dog, until you’ve snubbed him up with a hitch on something (ceiling hook, rafters, tree limb, door, or even over your shoulder, if you know HOWE. j.h.) > Marshall Lev Dermer/ Department of Psychology/ > University of > http://www.uwm.edu/~dermer > If I am not for myself, who will be for me. But if I am > only for myself, what am I? The Talmud
Just judging by the people you’ve learned so much from here that you recommend we listen to, I’d say that’d make you a world class schmuck. Your pal, Jerry "The Phony," Howe.
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Hello again, blackman. I ain’t DONE with you yet. I accidentally sent the first half of this post before I was done frying your butt. To continue: > Is what Jerry says about this and the other trainers here not true? > Those of us who wish to enjoy the group have better > things to do than teach people critical thinking skills.
Talk dog training, blackman. Tell us HOWE you rationalize HURTING dogs MOORE than we’d LIKE to, as your PAL lyingdogDUMMY say’s is necessary (according to the koehler method), to cure coprophagia and hole digging and fence jumping? Paul B and Marty B had NO PROBLEM doing it in a few minutes over a couple of days, WITHOUT HURTING NOBODY. YOU are the one in need of improving YOUR thinking skills. You can’t take INSTRUCTIONS to BEAT a dog for prolonged, repeated BEATINGS, and HANGING dogs who complain about being BEATEN, and claim they’re taken OUT OF CONTEXT. People who beat animals belong in JAIL, or mental institutions for the CRIMINALLY INSANE… GOT IT??? > And what about his training info? Does that > really work?
It’s worked for many years for me and my students. This has been my career… You’ve been a FLUNKY most of your worthless life, and you’ve latched onto THIS as some way to validate yourself. Did pretty good till I came around and burst your freaking bubble, eh? > Virtually any training method applied consistently > will work for some dogs and some people. If it > appeals to you, try it.
Yeah. Try my method on 100 dogs, and try koehler’s method on 100 dogs. You’ll get back LESS DOG than you started with, using the koehler methods. Those dogs that will be missing will be DEAD, as result of being HURT till they turn on their trainers, and KILLED, because of BAD BREEDING. That’s what YOU LIKE. OPTIONS. Ask Fritz. Ask Samson. Their owners chose the WRONG OPTIONS. But let’s keep an OPEN MIND, we don’t want to throw the baby out with the bath water… > I don’t much care about any "bait-n-switch > practices" claims or whatever.. I’m smart > enough to recognize an ad when I see it, as are > most adults, so I really don’t see where the "beef" > is with that one. > I thought most people were smart enough to > recoginize when someone was making irrational > claims.
GOOD POINT, blackman. Tell us EXACTLY which IRRATIONAL claims I’m making. Ask Fritz and Samson, if my accusations are IRRATIONAL. You CAN’T, they’re DEAD, BECAUSE of their "training," the kind YOU LIKE. > Your questions, however, have proven that some > people need to have things actually explained to > them.
You’re DOUBLE TALKING us again. You’re a master of deception, but you’re wearing thin, and you have NOTHING to back up your argument. > You think an adult would recognize an advertisement > but you think a "that’s not true" follow-up is > necessary to each of the literally thousands of posts > he makes about others?
I’ve got QUOTES, blackman. YOU’VE GOT NOTHING BUT HOT AIR. > Anyone who wasted the bandwidth to do that would > join Jerry in the killfiles along with the people who > follow him aroundcomplaining about his website.
No. They say NOTHING, because they’ve ALREADY been PROVEN LIARS. That’s why they won’t defend themselves. Ask lyindoc dermer why he’s killfiled Marilyn??? That’s because SHE KNOWS what’s up. Same with Canis55. > Who needs it?
Who needs HURTING DOGS? You and your pals, that’s who. That’s because HURTING DOGS is all they know. > If he’s really such a bad person, I’d think "you all" > would have a better jerry-faq laying around > somewhere than that thing with some naked guy > Mine is http://www.dog-play.com/jerry.html
Whoopie. If anyone looked at your history, they’d SEE that you are double talking us again… People aren’t STUPID, blackman. > And MOST readers of this ng, I’d bet, are people > such as me.. Not ones who’ve been following the > arguments for however long they’ve been going > on… And why do I ask? I’ve gotten "you’ve not > been here long, have you?" type replies to a couple > of my posts here concerning him… Pretty much like > an insult concerning me being a ‘greenhorn" or… a > bait-n-switch tactic of the other side.. Otherwise, > I’d think someone would be proud to provide > such info on their website, weekly faq, or > whatever…. > But that’s just the perceptions of an outsider.. > Some people gather facts and form their own > opinions based on evidence they can see for > themselves.
They tend to believe twenty expert liars, when they all change their stories in sync, without missing a lie. You’re one of the ringleaders. And you STILL haven’t SAID ANYTHING. CRITICIZE MY INFORMATION. YOU CAN’T. > Other people simply accept what they are > told.
THAT’S WHY I’M HERE. > The former people don’t need a FAQ, for the latter it > is pretty much useless.
YOU’VE SAID NOTHING. AGAIN. > My reference to my jerry FAQ appears on about a 1/3 > of my posts using a random signature generator.
FANCY THAT??? Is that HOWE you determine what kind of PAIN you’re gonna INFLICT on a particular type of dog? > It obviously escaped your attention as would any > other regular posting except something that would > become as tiresome as the man himself.
I doubt that’s "escaped" her attention. I think that may have RAISED her SUSPICIONS about the skullduggery going on here. > Diane Blackman > http://www.dog-play.com/ http://www.dog-play.com/TOTE.html > "Reinforcement is always relative to the dog’s > instincts, his personality, his physical condition, and > the environment." "Smart Trainers — Brilliant > Dogs" by Janet Lewis
Is that so? Reinforcement is RELATIVE to the individual dog? NO, we don’t bend the technique to the dog, we bend the dog to a FITTING technique. That’s called TRAINING. You’ve done a MISERABLE job of defending your dog abusing, cowardly pals, and yourself. You’re history, blackman. You, lyingdogDUMMY, lyingfrosty dahl, cindymooreon, lyinglynn, boss, richardson, the whole damn bunch of you. Care to take the quiz?
"Nope. That "beating dogs with sticks" things is something you twisted out of context, because you are full of bizarro manure." QUOTE from lyingfrosty dahl: "Get a stick 30- or 40-inches long. You can have a helper wield the stick, or do it yourself. Tougher, less tractable dogs may require you to progress to striking them more sharply. REPEAT, VARYING HOW HARD YOU HIT THE DOG" moore lyingfrosty dahl: "I would never advise anyone to slap a dog I do not believe there is a single circumstance, ever, where slapping a dog is anything but destructive." RIGHT. She PINCHES, not twists… and chin cuff doesn’t mean hit, according to lyinglynn and avrama… says our "EXPERT," lyingfrosty dahl. She twists and pinches ears and toes, shocks, beats dogs with sticks, and chin cuffs and scruff shakes them. And she LIES about it. She denies her own written words… amy lyingfrosty dahl continues: Make the dog’s need to stop the pinching so urgent that resisting your will fades in importance. but will squeal, thrash around, and direct their efforts to escaping the ear pinch even get a studded collar and pinch the ear against that if the dog still does not open its mouth, get out the shotshell. Try pinching the ear between the metal casing and the collar, even the buckle on the collar. Persist! Eventually, the dog will give in" With your hand on the collar and ear, say, ‘fetch.’ Immediately tap the dog on the hindquarters with the stick. Repeat "fetch" and pinch the ear all the way to the dummy. You can press the dog’s ear with a shotshell instead of your thumb; Say "fetch" while pressing the dummy against its lips and pinching its ear. Gotta LOVE koehler. dahl makes koheler look like St. Francis. Try the quiz??? Tell us HOWE the dog knows he shouldn’t be barking? That is, until the beatings take effect, after ENOUGH lessons of "hard spankings of long duration??? It’s IN THE BOOK. Tell us HOWE COME you think dogs might want to take a big chunk out of an abusive Thug who beats him every twenty minutes for crappin on the floor in a room you’ve restricted him to for this purpose, and then tied him next to a forced accident? And when koehler OCCASIONALLY finds a dog who objects to his training, why does he HANG the dog, instead of calming them down and teaching them there’s nothing to be afraid of??? Koehler On Correcting The Housebreaking Backslider. "If the punishment is not severe enough, some of these "backsliders" will think they’re winning and will continue to mess in the house. An indelible impression can sometimes be made by giving the dog a hard spanking of long duration, then leaving him tied by the mess he’s made so you can come back at twenty minute intervals and punish him again for the same thing. (Dogs are REALLY stupid. J.H.) HOWE does koehler KNOW the dog don’t think he’s coming back to beat him every twenty minutes for the same mistake, just because you’re mad at him, instead of just TRAINING him??? See what I mean? You can’t justify that. "Read koehler for content" marquis de shaw, IDIOT, Sadist, rpdb regular. "I LOVE KOHELER" lyinglynn, IDIOT, pathological liar, noted dog abuser. Koehler On Correcting The Barking Dog Thunder through the door or gate, snatch up the belt that you’ve conveniently placed, and descend on him. He’ll have no chance to dodge if you grab the line and reel him in until his front feet are raised off the floor or, if he’s a big dog, until you’ve snubbed him up with a hitch on something (ceiling hook, rafters, tree limb, door, or even over your shoulder, if you know HOWE. j.h.) While he’s held in close, lay the strap vigorously against his thighs. Keep pouring it on him until he thinks it’s the bitter end. A real whaling now … read more »
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Hello blackman, > Is what Jerry says about this and the other trainers > here not true?
Every word of it. > I don’t know who he is talking about in this instance > but most of what he claims is a flat out lie.
Seems to me you’ve been one of the ringleaders around here, when it comes to deception. You and lyingdoc dermer. The only reason you haven’t earned your lying title is because you’re very clever, and you never say anything MEANINGFUL. > His initial claims about me were exagerations,
Everything can be found in your own words, blackman. You deny what you do, that’s lying, but you’re only lying to protect yourself from embarassment, so I don’t award the lying title just for that. > and opinion but they have since evolved to blatant > lies.
You knit little cover-ups for pronged choke collars. You condone shocking, jerking, choking, chin cuffing, shoving fingers down puppy’s throats to choke them out of mouthing, kneeing dogs in the chest, throwing them down by their ears and climbing all over them like a raped ape, and shoving dog’s heads under water you’ve filled into a hole he’s dug. And that’s just off of your pal cindymooreon’s FAQ’s page at k9web. Do you think that’s APPROPRIATE to be teaching people??? The other links on your website are even worse. Your own dog has pulled relentlessly for five years, despite jerking and choking and shocking him. You day board your own dogs because they are NOT trustworthy at home alone, and you claim you don’t know enough about training to discern the good information on your site from the dangerous. When people ask about coprophagia, you give them the crummy links to sites that will tell them to cut poo in half and spice it with hot sauce and MSG… Your pal lyingdogDUMMY say’s he’d NEED to HURT the dog MOORE than we’d LIKE, to break coprophagia. Paul B and Marty b cured their poo and fence and hole digging in a few minutes of effort over a couple of days WITHOUT HURTING NOBODY. WHY WOULD YOU WANT PEOPLE TO HURT THEIR DOGS, when it CLEARLY ISN’T NECESSARY OR APPROPRIATE??? No harm done, if you don’t consider the hundreds of dogs JUST LIKE Fritz and Samson. VICTIMS of their "TRAINING." The training YOU recommend. You’re MOORE responsible than their owner’s who themselves were VICTIMIZED by your stinking approach to behavior. > Not that I do or don’t believe him (because of his > personality, to want to disbelieve him, actually), > but.. just a’wondering…
Curiousity killed the kat. > You "want" to disbelieve him? Most of the people > who he slanders post regularly.
And I’ve got QUOTES from them telling us to HURT dogs, and LYING about what they do. I’d like to see you discuss the koehler methods I’ll post below. And, I’d like to see you discusss the lyingfrosty dahl methods below too, while your at it. BWAAAAHAHAHHAAA! YOU? DISCUSS TRAINING? No. What YOU do, is sling the BS TO DEFEND HURTING DOGS. > Have you seen anything in their posts to support his > claims?
QUOTES, blackman. IN THEIR OWN WORDS. I’ll post some below for your edification. > Has he provided any evidence?
Yeah. That’s what’s in all them lengthy posts you complain about. That’s why the killfile campaign. You can’t get away pulling this kind of crap forever… That’s why I’m here. NOBODY ELSE could nail you s.o.b.’s down like I have, and now I’m gonna put the screws to you all. WATCH ME. > Here is a real difficult one –
That’s what I like, the tough ones. They "may require me to strike them moore sharply…" to quote lyingfrosty dahl… > how aboutasking the other person?
QUOTES, blackman. QUOTES. > The point is you have absolutely no basis to believe > him.
PSST! TWENTY DOG ABUSING LIARS, ARE STILL TWENTY DOG ABUSING LIARS, NO MATTER HOWE THEY DENY IT. THAT’S HOWE COME THEY’RE LIARS… Isn’t it??? > Instead of "That’s not true" follow-ups, I’ve seen > nothing but attacks on the placement of his > dog-collar ad… > Most of us have him killfiled.
Yeah? BWAAAHAHAHAHAAAA!!! You read my posts FIRST. > Why bother arguing with someone who is > lacking rationality?
You mean because I’m not willing to settle for HURTING MY DOGS MOORE THAN I’D LIKE, when it doesn’t require PAIN? Ask Paul B, or Marty B, or Marilyn, or Canis55, Master_222, DougDogmanager, Colette, Ray The Vet Tech, Parker, Aspiring Trainer, Robert Crim, lots of good folks, most of whom won’t post here because of you and your pals. They burn out defending NOT hurting dogs. They think rpdb is a LOST CAUSE. That’s why you got me now… > What a waste of time and energy.
You mean just go ahead and continue HURTING dogs as you and your pals have always done, and keep KILLING dogs you can’t BULLY into subordination with PAIN and intimidation??? The ride’s over. Keep your hands and feet inside the car until it comes to a complete stop. Go to the back of the Conga line and BOOGALOO ON OUTTA HERE. WE DON’T NEED DOG ABUSING COWARDS TEACHING PEOPLE TO HURT DOGS. > We also have the people who follow-up on his posts > killfiled. More waste of energy.
The "people" who "follow up" on my posts are anonymous, dog abusing, lying cowards, and then we got ed, a crazy, begging, lying, dog abusing, coward. But HE PROFITS when folks KILL their dogs, ESPECIALLY if they’ve jerked and choked and hung their dog for months before KILLING them TO BE FAIR. > A person who would require a "that’s not true" post > in order to doubt the truth of the statements is > probably going to have difficulty understanding the > difference between claims and evidence.
JUST THE FACTS, blackman. > They also will likely have difficulty understanding > things such as context.
Yeah. "Read koehler for content," marquis de shaw. "I LOVE KOEHLER," lyinglynn. > In order to explain it more posts would have to be > written.
Like the one your writing now? Why don’t you give some FACTS, or some quotes??? YOU GOT NUTHIN BUT HOT AIR. > This group is NOT rec.pets.dogs.jerry
It does seem that way, you know. Maybe if our dog abusers were to GO AWAY, there wouldn’t be anything for me to criticize, and then maybe some folks would LEARN HOWE to properly handle and train dogs? The problem is, you and your pals WANT to HURT dogs, because you don’t have the intelligence to outwit a puppy dog, and it makes you feel POWERFUL… It’s an ego thing, coupled with a weak mind and inferiority complex. That’s why all the "dominance" talk. Look HOWE many times "alpha" and "dominance" are just on cindymooreon’s web page! > Those of us who wish to enjoy the group have better > things to do than teach people critical thinking skills.
Tall – Hide quoted text — Show quoted text -> And what about his training info? Does that really work? > Virtually any training method applied consistently will work for some > dogs and some people. If it appeals to you, try it. > I don’t much > care about any "bait-n-switch practices" claims or whatever.. I’m smart > enough to recognize an ad when I see it, as are most adults, so I really > don’t see where the "beef" is with that one. > I thought most people were smart enough to recoginize when someone was > making irrational claims. Your questions, however, have proven that some > people need to have things actually explained to them. You think an > adult would recognize an advertisement but you think a "that’s not > true" follow-up is necessary to each of the literally thousands of posts > he makes about others? Anyone who wasted the bandwidth to do that would > join Jerry in the killfiles along with the people who follow him around > complaining about his website. Who needs it? > If he’s really such a bad person, I’d think "you all" would have a better > jerry-faq laying around somewhere than that thing with some naked guy > Mine is http://www.dog-play.com/jerry.html > And MOST readers of this ng, I’d bet, are people such as me.. Not ones > who’ve been following the arguments for however long they’ve been going > on… And why do I ask? I’ve gotten "you’ve not been here long, have you?" > type replies to a couple of my posts here concerning him… Pretty much like > an insult concerning me being a ‘greenhorn" or… a bait-n-switch tactic of > the other side.. Otherwise, I’d think someone would be proud to provide > such info on their website, weekly faq, or whatever…. > But that’s just the perceptions of an outsider.. > Some people gather facts and form their own opinions based on evidence > they can see for themselves. Other people simply accept what they are > told. The former people don’t need a FAQ, for the latter it is pretty > much useless. My reference to my jerry FAQ appears on about a 1/3 of my > posts using a random signature generator. It obviously escaped your > attention as would any other regular posting except something that would > become as tiresome as the man himself. > Diane Blackman > http://www.dog-play.com/ http://www.dog-play.com/TOTE.html > "Reinforcement is always relative to the dog’s instincts, his personality, > his physical condition, and the environment." "Smart Trainers — Brilliant > Dogs" by Janet Lewis
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>And what about his training info? Does that really work?
Dear BD, Have your read this: http://home.earthlink.net/~tdwillis/Harlan/concerns.html ? –Marshall I have read rpdb for about four years. Consequently, I urge newbies to attend to the civil and rational posts of the rpdb regulars from whom I have learned much. They include: Ann (,Twzl, Sligo & Roy), Amy Dahl, Diane Blackman, jdoee, Janet Boss, Susan Fraser, Avrama Gingold, Nancy Holmes, Lynn Kosmakos, Bob Maida, MaryBeth, Ruth Mays, Cindy Tittle Moore, Robin Nuttall, Denna Pace, John Richardson, Sarah Sionnach, Ludwig Smith, Jane Webb, and Terri Willis. Marshall Lev Dermer/ Department of Psychology/ University of http://www.uwm.edu/~dermer "If I am not for myself, who will be for me. But if I am only for myself, what am I?" The Talmud
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> Dianne, and all. I use a message rule to delete posts from you-know-who, > and another rule to delete posts with you-know-who in the subject. I find > posts which argue with YNH are just as tiresome as the original. > Cheers, Clarence
Hello clarence, I’m sorry you feel put upon, facing the facts, as unpleasant as they are. As long as we have imbiciles like yourself, who can’t understand that HURTING dogs to train them is not RIGHT, we’ll continue to have bums like our Gang Of Thugs, teaching people to HURT dogs to subordinate them and KILL dogs they can’t intimidate enough to DOMINATE. THIS IS A MENTAL CONDITION caused by the fragile ego’s and weak minds of insecure, fearful, fools. Here’s some "GOOD koehler TRAINING" (according to lyingdogDUMMY) and some lyingfrosty dahl for ya. Take the quiz?
"Nope. That "beating dogs with sticks" things is something you twisted out of context, because you are full of bizarro manure." QUOTE from lyingfrosty dahl: "Get a stick 30- or 40-inches long. You can have a helper wield the stick, or do it yourself. Tougher, less tractable dogs may require you to progress to striking them more sharply. REPEAT, VARYING HOW HARD YOU HIT THE DOG" moore lyingfrosty dahl: "I would never advise anyone to slap a dog I do not believe there is a single circumstance, ever, where slapping a dog is anything but destructive." RIGHT. She PINCHES, not twists… and chin cuff doesn’t mean hit, according to lyinglynn and avrama… says our "EXPERT," lyingfrosty dahl. She twists and pinches ears and toes, shocks, beats dogs with sticks, and chin cuffs and scruff shakes them. And she LIES about it. She denies her own written words… amy lyingfrosty dahl continues: Make the dog’s need to stop the pinching so urgent that resisting your will fades in importance. but will squeal, thrash around, and direct their efforts to escaping the ear pinch even get a studded collar and pinch the ear against that if the dog still does not open its mouth, get out the shotshell. Try pinching the ear between the metal casing and the collar, even the buckle on the collar. Persist! Eventually, the dog will give in" With your hand on the collar and ear, say, ‘fetch.’ Immediately tap the dog on the hindquarters with the stick. Repeat "fetch" and pinch the ear all the way to the dummy. You can press the dog’s ear with a shotshell instead of your thumb; Say "fetch" while pressing the dummy against its lips and pinching its ear. Gotta LOVE koehler. dahl makes koheler look like St. Francis. Try the quiz??? Tell us HOWE the dog knows he shouldn’t be barking? That is, until the beatings take effect, after ENOUGH lessons of "hard spankings of long duration??? It’s IN THE BOOK. Tell us HOWE COME you think dogs might want to take a big chunk out of an abusive Thug who beats him every twenty minutes for crappin on the floor in a room you’ve restricted him to for this purpose, and then tied him next to a forced accident? And when koehler OCCASIONALLY finds a dog who objects to his training, why does he HANG the dog, instead of calming them down and teaching them there’s nothing to be afraid of??? Koehler On Correcting The Housebreaking Backslider. "If the punishment is not severe enough, some of these "backsliders" will think they’re winning and will continue to mess in the house. An indelible impression can sometimes be made by giving the dog a hard spanking of long duration, then leaving him tied by the mess he’s made so you can come back at twenty minute intervals and punish him again for the same thing. (Dogs are REALLY stupid. J.H.) HOWE does koehler KNOW the dog don’t think he’s coming back to beat him every twenty minutes for the same mistake, just because you’re mad at him, instead of just TRAINING him??? See what I mean? You can’t justify that. "Read koehler for content" marquis de shaw, IDIOT, Sadist, rpdb regular. "I LOVE KOHELER" lyinglynn, IDIOT, pathological liar, noted dog abuser. Koehler On Correcting The Barking Dog Thunder through the door or gate, snatch up the belt that you’ve conveniently placed, and descend on him. He’ll have no chance to dodge if you grab the line and reel him in until his front feet are raised off the floor or, if he’s a big dog, until you’ve snubbed him up with a hitch on something (ceiling hook, rafters, tree limb, door, or even over your shoulder, if you know HOWE. j.h.) While he’s held in close, lay the strap vigorously against his thighs. Keep pouring it on him until he thinks it’s the bitter end. A real whaling now may cut down somewhat on the number of repeat performances that will be necessary. When you’re finished and the dog is convinced that he is, put him on a long down to think things over while you catch your breath. After fifteen or twenty minutes, release him from the stay and leave the area again." Tell us HOWE the dog knows he shouldn’t be barking? That is, until the beatings take effect, after ENOUGH lessons of "hard spankings of long duration??? It’s IN THE BOOK. Tell us HOWE COME you think dogs might want to take a big chunk out of an abusive Thug who beats him every twenty minutes for crappin on the floor in a room you’ve restricted him to for this purpose, and then tied him next to a forced accident? And when koehler OCCASIONALLY finds a dog who objects to his training, why does he HANG the dog, instead of calming them down and teaching them there’s nothing to be afraid of??? That’s the ONLY question ANYONE of you CAN answer. The answer is OBVIOUS. koehler trainers are DOG ABUSING COWARDS. Your pal, Jerry "The Phony," Howe.
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Hello psycholcown, > Is what Jerry says about this and the other trainers > here not true? > Nope. Not true.
Right. You’ve got a pretty good record of lying and telling people to HURT their dogs. > Not that I do or don’t believe him (because of his > personality, to want to disbelieve him, actually), > but.. just a’wondering… Instead of "That’s not true" > follow-ups, I’ve seen nothing but > attacks on the placement of his dog-collar ad… > Most people have jer killfiled,
Sorry psychoclown, but most people read my posts FIRST. > so of course there aren’t any "that’s not true" follow > ups…
WANNA BET? I’ve got plenty of denials of your pals own written words, as well as yours. > although there were several two years ago, when > he first showed up here.
Yeah. I’ve got a few of the quotes below… You bums wore out LYING. > And what about his training info? Does that > really work? > Which parts?
ALL of it. Yeah, it works. Ask Marilyn. Ask Canis55, ask Paul B, ask Marty. Ask Robert Crim? Ask Fritz. Ask Samson. You can’t. They’re DEAD, because you bums like to confront, punish, and HURT dogs. > I don’t much care about any "bait-n-switch > practices" claims or whatever.. I’m smart enough > to recognize an ad when I see it, as are > most adults, so I really don’t see where the "beef" > is with that one..
There ISN’T any complaints. The manual is not a come on, nor is it a sales pitch. It doesn’t even MENTION Doggy Do Right (and Kitty Will Too), and I don’t mention it either, to folks looking for help with training. They know about my Doggy Do Right (and Kitty Will Too), I don’t need to push it on them. > Mostly because it’s rather dishonest.
You’re the one who’s DISHONEST. In fact, your a liar. > If he’s really such a bad person, I’d think "you all" > would have a better jerry-faq laying around > somewhere than that thing with some > You mean like http://home.earthlink.net/~tdwillis/Harlan/concerns.html ?
Yeah, like THAT. NOT ONE VALID ARGUMENT. > Also, I’m not sure Jer is a "bad person" so much as > he is a "crazy person".
You’d think I’d have to be crazy for coming in here and identify, expose, discredit, and embarass, the whol damn Gang Of Thugs in one fell swoop. And it’s going to get worse, before it gets better, I’m afraid. Dying ain’t pretty. > I suspect that he doesn’t have a lot of control over > the things he does.
I’m killing you bums. > And MOST readers of this ng, I’d bet, are people > such as me.. Not ones who’ve been following the > arguments for however long they’ve been > going on…
That’s why the lengthy posts our friends complain about. They complain that I’m burdening folks who’ve got to pay for downloading. That was their first attempt to cover up my information. Didn’t work any better than their multitudinous killfile campaigns. > And why do I ask? I’ve gotten "you’ve not been here > long, have you?"
You won’t be getting any straight answers from them. > type replies to a couple of my posts here > concerning him… Pretty much like an insult > concerning me being a ‘greenhorn" or… > Perhaps the person was just making a joke.
They’re always making jokes when they get embarassed. > At any rate, keep in mind no one is _required_ to > respond to your questions in any particular way.
Keep in mind, that our Gang Of Thugs is freaking out all over the place, and they have NO criticism of the FACTS AS I STATE THEM. > Most of the regulars here are just tired of the subject, > and won’t spend any more time on it.
THAT SO? You mean they won’t answer any direct questions with direct, honest, answers. Try to talk dog training with them, and all of a sudden they’re bitching about Doggy Do Right (and Kitty Will Too), and complaing that I’m RUDE to dog chokers and ear twisters… > a bait-n- switch tactic of the other side.. > No, that would not qualify as bait and switch.
If you say so… > Otherwise, I’d think someone would be proud to > provide such info on their website, weekly faq, or > whatever…. > See above.
There’s NOTHING there. NOT ONE VALID COMPLAINT. > But that’s just the perceptions of an outsider.. > Please understand that if you are new here, you will > have missed all of the discussions that were had > when jer first showed up two years ago.
Just defend my accusations below. YOU CAN’T. > Most of us have him killfiled (even me, even though I > once said I never would).
Sure. You’re a NOBODY. You’ve NEVER trained or owned a dog before you got Harlan and started jerking and choking him on a pronged choke collar and arguing to defend shocking and beating dogs with sticks and shocking them. > I’m not sure how far Deja’s archives go back now > adays, so there may be no way for you to see what > went on.
Forget about it. There’s too many posts. Just ask some of the competent trainers who no longer post here. Our Gang Of Thugs has treated EVERY competent dog trainer who’s ever come in here EXACTLY the same way as they treat me. Look up the first posts of Canis55, Master_222, DougDogmanager, Marilyn, Colette, Ray The Vet Tech, Parker, Aspiring Trainer… That’s why you got me now… I’m just a little MOORE experienced and used to dealing with these bums. That’s WHY I came in here. I can’t let these koehler trainers KILL any moore dogs than they already have. > –Terri & Harlan
Care to take the quiz?
"Nope. That "beating dogs with sticks" things is something you twisted out of context, because you are full of bizarro manure." QUOTE from lyingfrosty dahl: "Get a stick 30- or 40-inches long. You can have a helper wield the stick, or do it yourself. Tougher, less tractable dogs may require you to progress to striking them more sharply. REPEAT, VARYING HOW HARD YOU HIT THE DOG" moore lyingfrosty dahl: "I would never advise anyone to slap a dog I do not believe there is a single circumstance, ever, where slapping a dog is anything but destructive." RIGHT. She PINCHES, not twists… and chin cuff doesn’t mean hit, according to lyinglynn and avrama… says our "EXPERT," lyingfrosty dahl. She twists and pinches ears and toes, shocks, beats dogs with sticks, and chin cuffs and scruff shakes them. And she LIES about it. She denies her own written words… amy lyingfrosty dahl continues: Make the dog’s need to stop the pinching so urgent that resisting your will fades in importance. but will squeal, thrash around, and direct their efforts to escaping the ear pinch even get a studded collar and pinch the ear against that if the dog still does not open its mouth, get out the shotshell. Try pinching the ear between the metal casing and the collar, even the buckle on the collar. Persist! Eventually, the dog will give in" With your hand on the collar and ear, say, ‘fetch.’ Immediately tap the dog on the hindquarters with the stick. Repeat "fetch" and pinch the ear all the way to the dummy. You can press the dog’s ear with a shotshell instead of your thumb; Say "fetch" while pressing the dummy against its lips and pinching its ear. Gotta LOVE koehler. dahl makes koheler look like St. Francis. Try the quiz??? Tell us HOWE the dog knows he shouldn’t be barking? That is, until the beatings take effect, after ENOUGH lessons of "hard spankings of long duration??? It’s IN THE BOOK. Tell us HOWE COME you think dogs might want to take a big chunk out of an abusive Thug who beats him every twenty minutes for crappin on the floor in a room you’ve restricted him to for this purpose, and then tied him next to a forced accident? And when koehler OCCASIONALLY finds a dog who objects to his training, why does he HANG the dog, instead of calming them down and teaching them there’s nothing to be afraid of??? Koehler On Correcting The Housebreaking Backslider. "If the punishment is not severe enough, some of these "backsliders" will think they’re winning and will continue to mess in the house. An indelible impression can sometimes be made by giving the dog a hard spanking of long duration, then leaving him tied by the mess he’s made so you can come back at twenty minute intervals and punish him again for the same thing. (Dogs are REALLY stupid. J.H.) HOWE does koehler KNOW the dog don’t think he’s coming back to beat him every twenty minutes for the same mistake, just because you’re mad at him, instead of just TRAINING him??? See what I mean? You can’t justify that. "Read koehler for content" marquis de shaw, IDIOT, Sadist, rpdb regular. "I LOVE KOHELER" lyinglynn, IDIOT, pathological liar, noted dog abuser. Koehler On Correcting The Barking Dog Thunder through the door or gate, snatch up the belt that you’ve conveniently placed, and descend on him. He’ll have no chance to dodge if you grab the line and reel him in until his front feet are raised off the floor or, if he’s a big dog, until you’ve snubbed him up with a hitch on something (ceiling hook, rafters, tree limb, door, or even over your shoulder, if you know HOWE. j.h.) While he’s held in close, lay the strap vigorously against his thighs. Keep pouring it on him until he thinks it’s the bitter end. A real whaling now may cut down somewhat on the number of repeat performances that will be necessary. When you’re finished and the dog is convinced that he is, put him on a long down to think things over while you catch your breath. After fifteen or twenty minutes, release him from the stay and leave the area again." Tell us HOWE the dog knows he shouldn’t be barking? That is, until the beatings take effect, after ENOUGH lessons of "hard spankings of long duration??? It’s IN THE BOOK. Tell us HOWE COME you think dogs might want to take … read more »
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Hello lyingdogDUMMY,
> Is what Jerry says about this and the other trainers > here not true? > Why don’t you just buy one of the damn things and > find out form yourself?
We’re not talking about anything you BUY. We’re talking about YOU HANGING dogs because they SCARE you when you make them mad by jerking and choking and chin cuffing and kneeing them in the chest and twisting and pinching their ears, toes, and testicles, and shocking them and beating them with sticks to motivate them… You shove your fingers down puppy’s throats for mouthing in the litterbox. Then you need to HURT them to make them pick something up. Does that make sense even to an anonymous, lying, dog abusing coward, like you? > Download his silly manual, too, and give it a try.
Ask Paul B or Marty. Did you ever get that carp hook outta you mouth??? BWAAAHAHAHAHAHAAA!!! > Some folks just need to find things out for > themselves.
You said you’d NEED to HURT the dog MOORE than we’d LIKE, to break coprophagia, hole digging, and fence jumping. Marty and Paul cured their dogs of eatin poo and jumping or escaping the fence and digging holes in a few minutes over a couple of days, WITHOUT HURTING NOBODY. You said their dogs aren’t broken of those habits, but they’re just not doing them, that they can SEE. BWAAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAA!!! You’re violent IDIOT. > But stop all the freakin’ whining, eh?
Sounds like YOU’RE the one who’s WHINING. BWAAAAHAHAHAHAHAAAA!!! > If he’s really such a bad person, I’d think "you all" > would have a better jerry-faq laying around > somewhere than that thing with some naked guy > That’s really the only "jerry-faq" you need.
Talk dog training, lyingdogDUMMY. Tell us HOWE you’d HURT my dog MOORE than I’d like, to train him. I’d skin you alive and throw your filthy butt to the gator. > Be thankful for it.
You and your dog choking pals are HISTORY. > And MOST readers of this ng, I’d bet, are people > such as me..
That’s why the killfile campaigne. They’re hoping everyone else in the world is a stumblebum like themselves, and they’ll believe twenty liars and not find out the truth. Well, that ain’t HOWE it works. > I think you just might be a troll.
I KNOW you’re an anonymous, lying, dog abusing, coward… BWAAAAHAHAHAHAAAA!!! And everyone else knows it too. That’s what makes it worthwhile for me. The REALITY is still there, no matter HOWE much your lying, chump, chums are lying with you. >But that’s just the perceptions of an outsider..
Most good folks see what’s going on, take my manual, and train their dogs and never come back here. Too bad, because this could be a good dog training forum. WE’VE LOST about a dozen COMPETENT trainers, because our Gang Of Thugs will do anything to protect their alleged right to HURT dogs. IN SELF DEFENCE, of course, from the HOODLUM dogs out there, the products of BAD BREEDING. I don’t suppose the jerking and choking and intimidation and PAIN has anything to do with it, eh lyingdogDUMMY??? > Then buy one of his DDRs, download his manual, but > do it quietly, okay?
You don’t have to BUY anything to get the FREE Wits’ End Dog Training Method manual and all the FREE additional help if you need any. That’s what bugs you bums EVEN MOORE. FREE makes it sound suspicious. Just like 100% money back GUARANTEED forever. And the shelter and rescue discount is a sure sign of fraud. > You’re shit’s getting old, BD.
Your finished, lyingdogDUMMY. > O-L-D.
Tell us HOWE you’d hurt someone else’s dogs MOORE than they’d like to stop them from eatin poo? Seems like a little dog poo turned into Llama Spit, eh lyingdogDUMMY??? > Dogman > http://www.i1.net/~dogman
Care to talk about tom soronsen? Your pal, Jerry "The Phony," Howe.
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Hello BD, If it walks like a duck… j;~}
– Hide quoted text — Show quoted text -> Is what Jerry says about this and the other trainers here not true? > Not that I do or don’t believe him (because of his personality, to want to > disbelieve him, actually), but.. just a’wondering… Instead of "That’s > not true" follow-ups, I’ve seen nothing but attacks on the placement of his > dog-collar ad… > And what about his training info? Does that really work? I don’t much > care about any "bait-n-switch practices" claims or whatever.. I’m smart > enough to recognize an ad when I see it, as are most adults, so I really > don’t see where the "beef" is with that one.. > If he’s really such a bad person, I’d think "you all" would have a better > jerry-faq laying around somewhere than that thing with some naked guy > And MOST readers of this ng, I’d bet, are people such as me.. Not ones > who’ve been following the arguments for however long they’ve been going > on… And why do I ask? I’ve gotten "you’ve not been here long, have you?" > type replies to a couple of my posts here concerning him… Pretty much like > an insult concerning me being a ‘greenhorn" or… a bait-n-switch tactic of > the other side.. Otherwise, I’d think someone would be proud to provide > such info on their website, weekly faq, or whatever…. > But that’s just the perceptions of an outsider.. > Your problem is, that YOU like to jerk and choke your dogs. You are a > koehler trainer, and that means you’re a dog abusing coward. koehler > trainers choke and intimidate dogs, and when the dog growls about his > "training," they HANG the dog, beause they’re AFRAID. Then, if hanging > don’t > work, they KILL the dog, and blame it on BAD BREEDING. Hell, a good dog > should be willing to sumit to being abused.
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You said you use a pronged choke collar…
– Hide quoted text — Show quoted text ->And MOST readers of this ng, I’d bet, are people such as me.. >Not ones who’ve been following the arguments for however long >they’ve been going on… > Most of the people here that Jerry accuses of abuse have him > killfiled. > In my case, he has stated that I walk Rocky with a "choke prong" > collar (I don’t own any collar other than flat buckle ones). He > claims that I use abusive training methods when I have posted > that I use motivators such as play, praise, and food. He has > stated that I caused Rocky’s epilepsy by abusing him. > — > –Matt. Rocky’s a Dog.
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> Is what Jerry says about this and the other trainers here not true?
I don’t know who he is talking about in this instance but most of what he claims is a flat out lie. His initial claims about me were exagerations, and opinion but they have since evolved to blatant lies. > Not that I do or don’t believe him (because of his personality, to want to > disbelieve him, actually), but.. just a’wondering…
You "want" to disbelieve him? Most of the people who he slanders post regularly. Have you seen anything in their posts to support his claims? Has he provided any evidence? Here is a real difficult one – how about asking the other person? The point is you have absolutely no basis to believe him. > Instead of "That’s > not true" follow-ups, I’ve seen nothing but attacks on the placement of his > dog-collar ad…
Most of us have him killfiled. Why bother arguing with someone who is lacking rationality? What a waste of time and energy. We also have the people who follow-up on his posts killfiled. More waste of energy. A person who would require a "that’s not true" post in order to doubt the truth of the statements is probably going to have difficulty understanding the difference between claims and evidence. They also will likely have difficulty understanding things such as context. In order to explain it more posts would have to be written. This group is NOT rec.pets.dogs.jerry Those of us who wish to enjoy the group have better things to do than teach people critical thinking skills. > And what about his training info? Does that really work?
Virtually any training method applied consistently will work for some dogs and some people. If it appeals to you, try it. > I don’t much > care about any "bait-n-switch practices" claims or whatever.. I’m smart > enough to recognize an ad when I see it, as are most adults, so I really > don’t see where the "beef" is with that one.
I thought most people were smart enough to recoginize when someone was making irrational claims. Your questions, however, have proven that some people need to have things actually explained to them. You think an adult would recognize an advertisement but you think a "that’s not true" follow-up is necessary to each of the literally thousands of posts he makes about others? Anyone who wasted the bandwidth to do that would join Jerry in the killfiles along with the people who follow him around complaining about his website. Who needs it? > If he’s really such a bad person, I’d think "you all" would have a better > jerry-faq laying around somewhere than that thing with some naked guy
Mine is http://www.dog-play.com/jerry.html > And MOST readers of this ng, I’d bet, are people such as me.. Not ones > who’ve been following the arguments for however long they’ve been going > on… And why do I ask? I’ve gotten "you’ve not been here long, have you?" > type replies to a couple of my posts here concerning him… Pretty much like > an insult concerning me being a ‘greenhorn" or… a bait-n-switch tactic of > the other side.. Otherwise, I’d think someone would be proud to provide > such info on their website, weekly faq, or whatever…. > But that’s just the perceptions of an outsider..
Some people gather facts and form their own opinions based on evidence they can see for themselves. Other people simply accept what they are told. The former people don’t need a FAQ, for the latter it is pretty much useless. My reference to my jerry FAQ appears on about a 1/3 of my posts using a random signature generator. It obviously escaped your attention as would any other regular posting except something that would become as tiresome as the man himself. Diane Blackman http://www.dog-play.com/ http://www.dog-play.com/TOTE.html "Reinforcement is always relative to the dog’s instincts, his personality, his physical condition, and the environment." "Smart Trainers — Brilliant Dogs" by Janet Lewis
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Dianne, and all. I use a message rule to delete posts from you-know-who, and another rule to delete posts with you-know-who in the subject. I find posts which argue with YNH are just as tiresome as the original. Cheers, Clarence
– Hide quoted text — Show quoted text -> Most, though not all, newsreaders enable you to automatically mark > certain posts or threads as read. This is usually referred to as a > killfile or a filter. Instructions on how to create a killfile for > some of the more common newsreaders are below. If yours isn’t listed, > try looking in your browser under "help." > Disclaimer: These instructions have been compiled from a variety > of sources. I only use rn myself so if the instructions below can’t > help you, I can’t either. Conversely, if you have any additions or > corrections to this list, please feel free to email me at > reposted. > Many, many thanks to everyone who’s contributed!–Dianne Schoenberg > AGENT > Pull down the ‘Window’ on the Menu. Go to Usenet Filters and click on > that. > The first icon on the toolbox should be to ‘Add Kill Filter’. Click > on that. > The edit window will come up. In the area ‘Filter Expression’, write > ’Jerry Howe’. And then under ‘Kill Action’, mark whatever little > button you want. > AOL 5.0 (note: versions prior to 5.0 lack killfiles) > From the newsgroups window, choose preferences and a window will open > that says, "Global newsgroup preferences." Click on the filtering > tab (there should be filtering, viewing, and posting tabs). Select > filter type from the pulldown menu. Enter the filter in the text field > below the pulldown menu. Then click on the "add filter" button below > the text field. Then click "save" at the bottom of the page, and > you’re done. > FREE AGENT > Regrettably, Free Agent does not have a filter feature. Shell out > the few bucks for the upgrade; I’m told you won’t regret it. > MT NEWSREADER FOR THE MAC: > Lets you killfile in a large number of ways. When a window showing > one article is foremost (and when an article is highlighted in a window > showing the list of articles for a group), a couple of entries on the > ’Filter’ submenu of the Edit menu are enabled. These are ‘Filter this > author…’ and ‘Filter this subject…’, which create author or subject > filters for the active articles respectively. > NETSCAPE COMMUNICATOR > Under the Edit Menu, choose the Message Filters… command. > In the resulting dialog box, click the New button to define a new > filter. Give the filter a name, like "Filter Jerry." > Set the criteria for the filter. For example, "sender is Jerry Howe" > or "subject contains ninnyboy". > Select what to do with filtered messages (delete, ignore, etc…) > Click OK. You may have to disconnect and reconnect for it to take > effect. > OUTLOOK EXPRESS 5.0 > Go to the toolbar at the top of any post written by the person you > wish to banish from your computer. Click on "Message"; then, on the > drop-down menu, click on "Block Sender". > To filter out certain messages rather than blocking a sender entirely > you can create message ‘rules.’ Say you want to filter out all messages > containing ‘ninnyboy’ in the subject line. Go to Message, Create Rule > from Message. Select the condition for each message rule you want to > create and apply. > RN & TRN > To create a global killfile in either of these newsreaders, create a > file in your News directory called KILL (this must be in all capital > letters). Use any text editor to enter the following line into it: > newsgroup you read. > TIN > Read a message from the person you want to killfile or with the subject > heading you want to killfile. While that’s on the screen, hit ctrl and > k at the same time (^k). > A questionaire type screen appears. Return is like saying yes. Space > will toggle from the "subject header" to the "sent from" line. In > other words, you can choose to kill anything from a particular person > or to kill anything with a particular word in the subject heading. > I recommend killfiling people instead of killfiling words because I > might want to kill a subject about "lying dirt bags" today but want to > read something about a dog "lying in dirt" tomorrow. The people stay > more constant than the subject lines. > Toggle with the space bar until you have the combination you want and > then hit return several times to send. The subject line and sent from > line should already be typed in if you were in the message screen when > you hit ctrl k. > Doesn’t work? There’s a question that reads kill pattern. Sometimes I > have to type in the person’s name exactly the way it reads on the sent > from line. I’m not sure why. > X-NEWS > When reading an article, press ‘k’ to add the poster to the plonk > file. It will then ask you for an expiration period – 100 days is > the default. If you want a person permanently zapped, change "100" > to "0". > XRN (At least, version 9.02. Don’t know about earlier versions) > With an article from the troll in question selected, hold shift > while clicking the "Author Kill" button to kill for the current > group. To kill for ALL groups, use the Control key instead of > the shift key.
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> Is what Jerry says about this and the other trainers here not true?
Nope. Not true. > Not that I do or don’t believe him (because of his personality, > to want to disbelieve him, actually), but.. just a’wondering… > Instead of "That’s not true" follow-ups, I’ve seen nothing but > attacks on the placement of his dog-collar ad…
Most people have jer killfiled, so of course there aren’t any "that’s not true" follow ups… although there were several two years ago, when he first showed up here. > And what about his training info? Does that really work?
Which parts? >I don’t much care about any "bait-n-switch practices" claims or > whatever.. I’m smart enough to recognize an ad when I see it, as are > most adults, so I really don’t see where the "beef" is with that one..
Mostly because it’s rather dishonest. > If he’s really such a bad person, I’d think "you all" would have a > better jerry-faq laying around somewhere than that thing with some
You mean like http://home.earthlink.net/~tdwillis/Harlan/concerns.html ? Also, I’m not sure Jer is a "bad person" so much as he is a "crazy person". I suspect that he doesn’t have a lot of control over the things he does. > And MOST readers of this ng, I’d bet, are people such as me.. Not ones > who’ve been following the arguments for however long they’ve been > going on… And why do I ask? I’ve gotten "you’ve not been here > long, have you?" > type replies to a couple of my posts here concerning him… Pretty > much like an insult concerning me being a ‘greenhorn" or…
Perhaps the person was just making a joke. At any rate, keep in mind no one is _required_ to respond to your questions in any particular way. Most of the regulars here are just tired of the subject, and won’t spend any more time on it. > a bait-n- switch tactic of the other side..
No, that would not qualify as bait and switch. > Otherwise, I’d think someone would be proud to provide > such info on their website, weekly faq, or whatever….
See above. > But that’s just the perceptions of an outsider..
Please understand that if you are new here, you will have missed all of the discussions that were had when jer first showed up two years ago. Most of us have him killfiled (even me, even though I once said I never would). I’m not sure how far Deja’s archives go back now adays, so there may be no way for you to see what went on. –Terri & Harlan — What Would Robot Frank Do?
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>Is what Jerry says about this and the other trainers here not true?
Why don’t you just buy one of the damn things and find out for yourself? Download his silly manual, too, and give it a try. Some folks just need to find things out for themselves. But stop all the freakin’ whining, eh? >If he’s really such a bad person, I’d think "you all" would have a better >jerry-faq laying around somewhere than that thing with some naked guy
That’s really the only "jerry-faq" you need. Be thankful for it. >And MOST readers of this ng, I’d bet, are people such as me..
I think you just might be a troll. >But that’s just the perceptions of an outsider..
Then buy one of his DDRs, download his manual, but do it quietly, okay? You’re shit’s getting old, BD. O-L-D. :>( — Dogman http://www.i1.net/~dogman For everything you’ve ever wanted to know about our newsgroup’s many TROLLS: http://www.i1.net/~dogman/trolls.html "I really dislike – thats (sic) too harsh but the best I can state it – the entire sporting group and cannot imagine being forced to live with one – not my types at all!" Nancy Holmes
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Is what Jerry says about this and the other trainers here not true? Not that I do or don’t believe him (because of his personality, to want to disbelieve him, actually), but.. just a’wondering… Instead of "That’s not true" follow-ups, I’ve seen nothing but attacks on the placement of his dog-collar ad… And what about his training info? Does that really work? I don’t much care about any "bait-n-switch practices" claims or whatever.. I’m smart enough to recognize an ad when I see it, as are most adults, so I really don’t see where the "beef" is with that one.. If he’s really such a bad person, I’d think "you all" would have a better jerry-faq laying around somewhere than that thing with some naked guy And MOST readers of this ng, I’d bet, are people such as me.. Not ones who’ve been following the arguments for however long they’ve been going on… And why do I ask? I’ve gotten "you’ve not been here long, have you?" type replies to a couple of my posts here concerning him… Pretty much like an insult concerning me being a ‘greenhorn" or… a bait-n-switch tactic of the other side.. Otherwise, I’d think someone would be proud to provide such info on their website, weekly faq, or whatever…. But that’s just the perceptions of an outsider.. – Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – > Your problem is, that YOU like to jerk and choke your dogs. You are a > koehler trainer, and that means you’re a dog abusing coward. koehler > trainers choke and intimidate dogs, and when the dog growls about his > "training," they HANG the dog, beause they’re AFRAID. Then, if hanging don’t > work, they KILL the dog, and blame it on BAD BREEDING. Hell, a good dog > should be willing to sumit to being abused.
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>And MOST readers of this ng, I’d bet, are people such as me.. >Not ones who’ve been following the arguments for however long >they’ve been going on…
Most of the people here that Jerry accuses of abuse have him killfiled. In my case, he has stated that I walk Rocky with a "choke prong" collar (I don’t own any collar other than flat buckle ones). He claims that I use abusive training methods when I have posted that I use motivators such as play, praise, and food. He has stated that I caused Rocky’s epilepsy by abusing him. — –Matt. Rocky’s a Dog.
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Hello marquis de shaw,
> Most, though not all, newsreaders enable you to > automatically mark certain posts or threads as read. > This is usually referred to as a killfile or a filter.
Yes, all of our dog chokers tell people to killfile ME, so that THEY don’t look like THUGS. Your problem is, that YOU like to jerk and choke your dogs. You are a koehler trainer, and that means you’re a dog abusing coward. koehler trainers choke and intimidate dogs, and when the dog growls about his "training," they HANG the dog, beause they’re AFRAID. Then, if hanging don’t work, they KILL the dog, and blame it on BAD BREEDING. Hell, a good dog should be willing to sumit to being abused. Hello People, Here’s some filter advice that will help you out in real life as well as on the news groups: USE YOUR BRAIN. If a post makes sense, it’s probably sensible… HOWE’S THAT? Here’s more: The following will give YOU some NEW OPTIONS: "Hello Soup, Sounds like BUNK to me… What evidence do you have to support your proposition the brain is really capable of recognizing and discriminating good from bad information??? There is NO EVIDENCE whatsoever supporting what you suggest here, and I think you are just trying to SCAM good people out of their minds, by making them use them all up… PEOPLE!!! Don’t listen to this scam artist who only wants you to THINK, so he can scam you out of you mind while it is being preoccupied with his distraction technique… Don’t be fooled! Thinking can be dangerous! Reading information will give you ideas. CAVEAT EMPTOR. Jerry."
– Hide quoted text — Show quoted text -> HOW TO FILTER POSTS ON NEWSGROUPS WITHOUT > KILLFILES > A SUPERDOG STATION EXCLUSIVE > I’ve found this incredible way to filter posts which I want > to share with you all, actually, I’ve been using it for a > few years now and you won’t believe it when I tell you how > powerful it is…I know this sounds complicated, but all you > have to do is look at posts/threads, decide which you think > you might want to read, and then read them. The ones you > don’t want to read, (listen carefully now…you don’t > read). > You see, you actually use something called your "BraIN" and > believe it or not, your eyes cooperate and if your "BraIN" > tells them not to read something, they won’t. Of course, > your hand has to cooperate with your brain by not clicking > unless it is told to. > Sexual predators, Heads of State, mimes, and people with > Parkinson’s Disease often have trouble controlling their > hands, but most everyone else should be okay. > Scientists have proven the filtering ability of the brain > with double blind experiments in Rhesus Monkeys. Of course, > many critics argue that doubly blinded monkeys are rendered > poor subjects for experiments involving sight and/or > perception, but what do these yahyahhing critics know > anyway? > Anyway, this "BraIN" thing is really cool. Many of you > people should try it sometime. It’s good for other things > besides newsgroups too! You can impress all your friends > and neighbors with it, and you can even use it to seduce > older teenagers like Britney Spears, middle-aged teenagers > like Christina Aguilera or even brand spankin new teenagers > like Mandy Moore, if they live close by. > DISCLAIMER: > (please do not trespass on private property to seduce > teenagers, regardless of age, unless you get written > permission from their parents or guardians). > HOW TO USE YOUR BRAIN IN NETSCAPE > Instead of filtering people, I filter threads and posts. I > typically read about 10-20% of the posts here, because I > don’t have time to read them all….in Netscape, I just read > the ones I want to read, then I hit SHIFT-C (which marks all > messages read) > Or…the long way by clicking up top > Messages—> > Mark—-> > all read > Then I just close the window and I’m done. Then next time I > open it, only new messages appear. If I find an interesting > thread, where I want to go back and read the whole thing, I > can go back and mark the whole thread unread and read it. > View—> > Messages—> > all > HOW TO USE YOUR BRAIN IN OUTLOOK > read the help > HOW TO USE YOUR BRAIN IN AGENT > read the help > HOW TO USE YOUR BRAIN IN AOL > obviously, if you use AOL for newsgroups you can’t > JUST KIDDING! I was just yah yahhing you there. > read the help > HOW TO USE YOUR BRAIN IN EUDORA > read the help > HOW TO USE YOUR BRAIN IN XNEWS > read the help > HOW TO USE YOUR BRAIN in other programs, > see above and extrapolate (a fancy way of using your brain) > Yours for dogs, law and order, the American Way, and the > keeping of the ruffians, the ya yahhers, the troublemakers, > the cat callers, and the "up to no good" at bay… > This is Michael > Reporting Live… > http://dogtv.com
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Mark and Dianne! Congratulations and thank you for this posting. I’m sure everyone joins me in wishing this new venture lots of success. It should make a big difference for new people getting with flow more quickly. Thanks! –Lia — "It is a strange fact of life on earth that a human being who reaches college age under the impression that "it’s" is the possessive form of "it" cannot be disabused of that belief. No amount of red ink will wash it out." Louis Menand
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Thanks, Dianne! Can you guess HOWE I killfiled? Er, rather WHO? Tee hee!! – Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – > Most, though not all, newsreaders enable you to automatically mark > certain posts or threads as read. This is usually referred to as a > killfile or a filter. Instructions on how to create a killfile for > some of the more common newsreaders are below. If yours isn’t listed, > try looking in your browser under "help." > Disclaimer: These instructions have been compiled from a variety > of sources. I only use rn myself so if the instructions below can’t > help you, I can’t either. Conversely, if you have any additions or > corrections to this list, please feel free to email me at > reposted. > Many, many thanks to everyone who’s contributed!–Dianne Schoenberg > AGENT > Pull down the ‘Window’ on the Menu. Go to Usenet Filters and click on > that. > The first icon on the toolbox should be to ‘Add Kill Filter’. Click > on that. > The edit window will come up. In the area ‘Filter Expression’, write > ’Jerry Howe’. And then under ‘Kill Action’, mark whatever little > button you want. > AOL 5.0 (note: versions prior to 5.0 lack killfiles) > From the newsgroups window, choose preferences and a window will open > that says, "Global newsgroup preferences." Click on the filtering > tab (there should be filtering, viewing, and posting tabs). Select > filter type from the pulldown menu. Enter the filter in the text field > below the pulldown menu. Then click on the "add filter" button below > the text field. Then click "save" at the bottom of the page, and > you’re done. > FREE AGENT > Regrettably, Free Agent does not have a filter feature. Shell out > the few bucks for the upgrade; I’m told you won’t regret it. > MT NEWSREADER FOR THE MAC: > Lets you killfile in a large number of ways. When a window showing > one article is foremost (and when an article is highlighted in a window > showing the list of articles for a group), a couple of entries on the > ’Filter’ submenu of the Edit menu are enabled. These are ‘Filter this > author…’ and ‘Filter this subject…’, which create author or subject > filters for the active articles respectively. > NETSCAPE COMMUNICATOR > Under the Edit Menu, choose the Message Filters… command. > In the resulting dialog box, click the New button to define a new > filter. Give the filter a name, like "Filter Jerry." > Set the criteria for the filter. For example, "sender is Jerry Howe" > or "subject contains ninnyboy". > Select what to do with filtered messages (delete, ignore, etc…) > Click OK. You may have to disconnect and reconnect for it to take > effect. > OUTLOOK EXPRESS 5.0 > Go to the toolbar at the top of any post written by the person you > wish to banish from your computer. Click on "Message"; then, on the > drop-down menu, click on "Block Sender". > To filter out certain messages rather than blocking a sender entirely > you can create message ‘rules.’ Say you want to filter out all messages > containing ‘ninnyboy’ in the subject line. Go to Message, Create Rule > from Message. Select the condition for each message rule you want to > create and apply. > RN & TRN > To create a global killfile in either of these newsreaders, create a > file in your News directory called KILL (this must be in all capital > letters). Use any text editor to enter the following line into it: > newsgroup you read. > TIN > Read a message from the person you want to killfile or with the subject > heading you want to killfile. While that’s on the screen, hit ctrl and > k at the same time (^k). > A questionaire type screen appears. Return is like saying yes. Space > will toggle from the "subject header" to the "sent from" line. In > other words, you can choose to kill anything from a particular person > or to kill anything with a particular word in the subject heading. > I recommend killfiling people instead of killfiling words because I > might want to kill a subject about "lying dirt bags" today but want to > read something about a dog "lying in dirt" tomorrow. The people stay > more constant than the subject lines. > Toggle with the space bar until you have the combination you want and > then hit return several times to send. The subject line and sent from > line should already be typed in if you were in the message screen when > you hit ctrl k. > Doesn’t work? There’s a question that reads kill pattern. Sometimes I > have to type in the person’s name exactly the way it reads on the sent > from line. I’m not sure why. > X-NEWS > When reading an article, press ‘k’ to add the poster to the plonk > file. It will then ask you for an expiration period – 100 days is > the default. If you want a person permanently zapped, change "100" > to "0". > XRN (At least, version 9.02. Don’t know about earlier versions) > With an article from the troll in question selected, hold shift > while clicking the "Author Kill" button to kill for the current > group. To kill for ALL groups, use the Control key instead of > the shift key.
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Hello marquis de "read koehler for content," shaw,
> Most, though not all, newsreaders enable you to automatically mark > certain posts or threads as read. This is usually referred to as a > killfile or a filter.
You want people to killfile Jerry, because Jerry has EXPOSED our lying, dog abusing Thugs as the vicious COWARDS they are. Here’s PROOF: Hello People, lyinglynn writes to a new foster dog care giver: "For barking in the crate – leave the leash on and pass it through the crate door. Attach a line to it. When he barks, use the line for a correction." lyinlynn says: "I LOVE KOEHLER," and in the next breath denies being a ‘koehler trainer.’ Is that because she shocks dogs, and koehler never had a shock collar? Pity that he was born too late to benefit from such a wondrous teaching tool, ISN’T it??? BESIDES, WHAT’S SO WRONG being a koehelr trainer, THAT lying"I LOVE KOEHLER"lynn AND CINDYMORON BOTH DENY USING THE KOEHLER METHODS THAT THEY TEACH??? Or is it just that lying is in vogue??? Amy Dahl LIES with a straight face and says: "I don’t beat dogs, twist ears, or pinch toes. For the benefit of anyone who is in doubt, and who chooses not to read the article, there is NO mention in it of "twisting ears. I would never slap a dog. I would never advise anyone to slap a dog. I do not believe there is a single circumstance, ever, where slapping a dog is anything but destructive." AND THEN SHE SAYS: " Any refusals are corrected with the ear pinch. When performance is smooth, the stick can be added just as in the fetch from a sitting position. If the previous steps have been carefully done, the dog will soon be lunging eagerly for each dummy as soon as it sees it" THAT’S THE EXCITED, HAPPY LOOK THEIR DOGS SHOW… IT’S TERROR!!!
"Nope. That "beating dogs with sticks" things is something you twisted out of context, because you are full of bizarro manure." LIAR. I’ll just copy a direct quote or two or three or four or five or six… HOWE many direct quotes would you like??? "Get a stick 30- or 40-inches long. You can have a helper wield the stick, or do it yourself. Tougher, less tractable dogs may require you to progress to striking them more sharply. With your hand on the collar and ear, say, ‘fetch.’ Immediately tap the dog on the hindquarters with the stick. Repeat "fetch" and pinch the ear all the way to the dummy. Repeat, varying how hard you hit the dog, "Now you are ready to progress to what most people think of as force-fetching: the ear pinch. but will squeal, thrash around, and direct their efforts to escaping the ear pinch You can press the dog’s ear with a shotshell instead of your thumb; even get a studded collar and pinch the ear against that Make the dog’s need to stop the pinching so urgent that resisting your will fades in importance. Say "fetch" while pressing the dummy against its lips and pinching its ear. if the dog still does not open its mouth, get out the shotshell. Try pinching the ear between the metal casing and the collar, even the buckle on the collar. Persist! Eventually, the dog will give in" http://www.oakhillkennel.com/library/force/force1.html http://www.oakhillkennel.com/library/force/force2.html While force-fetching is now complete, training has become more varied and interesting and we are sure you will want to continue." HOWE does varying HOWE you are HURTING the dog make it more INTERESTING? You can’t do something that’s WRONG, right, NO MATTER HOWE hard you try. Dogs DIE because of inappropriate handling and training techniques. There is NEVER any need to jerk and choke and shock or pinch and twist dog’s body parts or beat dogs with sticks to MOTIVATE them. You can get all the information you need to properly handle and train your dog using non force, non confrontational, scientific and psychological behavior modification and conditioning techniques, from the Wits’ End Dog Training Method manual available for free at http://www.doggydoright.com BEWARE the forgeries to confuse you, and the warnings offered to you from our rpdb Gang Of Thugs regarding killfiling my posts and the Wits’ End Dog Training Method manual. These people are frantic at the thought of not having anymore EXCUSE for being able to jerk, choke, and hurt dogs on pronged, choke, and electronic shock collars. You cannot trust your dog’s well being to people who tell you to killfile my advice…and tell you to punish, confine, and confront your dog’s behavior problems. Our Gang Of Thugs are easily identifiable by their warnings about my posts, and their killfile instructions to prevent me from EXPOSING THEM as the vicious, abusive, cretins they are, AND WANT YOU TO BE, so they don’t look out of sorts. "Thus we should beware of clinging to vulgar opinions, and judge things by reason’s way, not by popular say." -Montaigne- "Violence is the last refuge of the incompetent." -Salvor Hardin- "If you cannot convince them, confuse them." -H.S. Truman- DRAINING THE SWAMP, AND RELOCATING THE GATORS… j;~) "CUSTOM WILL RECONCILE PEOPLE TO ANY ATROCITY." - G.B. Shaw – "I know that most men, including those at ease with problems of the greatest complexity, can seldom accept even the simplest and most obvious truth if it would oblige them to admit the falsity of conclusions which they have delighted in explaining to colleagues, proudly taught to others, and which they have woven, thread by thread, into the fabric of their lives." -Leo Tolstoy- Is it any wonder that the following sig file has generated more complaints to my personal email than any other controversial post I have made to date, bar none?: -CAVEAT- If you have to do things to your dog to train him, that you would rather not have to do, then you shouldn’t be doing them. If you have a dog trainer who tells you to jerk your dog around, choke him, pinch his ears, or twist his toes, shock, scruff shake, slap, scold, chin cuff, hit, or punish your dog in any manner, that corrections are appropriate, that the dog won’t think of you as the punisher, that you’ve got to be "firm," or that corrections are not harmful, or if they can’t train your dog to do what you want, look for a trainer who knows HOWE. You can get all the information you need to PROPERLY handle and train your dog using non force, non confronatational, scientific and psychological conditioning and deconditioning techniques in the Wits’ End Dog Training Method manual available for free at http://www.doggydoright.com The Wits’ End Dog Training Method manual is provided compliments of the BIOSOUND Scientific Elves as an alternative to Doggy Do Right (and Kitty Will Too). For additional FREE help for any dog or cat behavior questions, please call or write. Sincerely, Jerry Howe, Director of Training, Wits’ End Dog Training Director of Research, BIOSOUND Scientific 1611 24th St Orlando, FL 32805 Fax: (208)460-4270 Phone: 1-407-425-5092 http://www.doggydoright.com Nature, to be mastered, must be obeyed. -Francis Bacon- There are terrible people who, instead of solving a problem, bungle it and make it more difficult for all who come after. Who ever can’t hit the nail on the head should, please, not hit at all. -Nietzsche- The abilities to think, rationalize and solve problems are learned qualities. The Wits’ End Dog Training Method challenges the learning centers in the dogs brain. These centers, once challenged, develop and continue to grow to make him smarter. The Wits’ End Dog Training method capitalizes on praising split seconds of canine thought, strategy, and timing, not mindless hours of forced repetition, constant corrections, and scolding. -Jerry Howe-
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hip, hip hooray…. Looks like you don’t need blinders on….. I never need a kill file…..
– Hide quoted text — Show quoted text -> Hello marquis de "read koehler for content," shaw, > Most, though not all, newsreaders enable you to > automatically mark certain posts or threads as read. > This is usually referred to as a killfile or a filter. > What’s your purpose for encouraging people to killfile others? Are you > AFRAID of something? I’ll bet you are. I’ll bet you’re AFRAID to be > embarassed by the truth. > Here’s some filter advice that will help you out in real > life as well as on the news groups: > USE YOUR BRAIN. If a post makes sense, it’s probably > sensible… HOWE’S THAT? > Here’s more: > The following will give YOU some NEW OPTIONS: > "Hello Soup, > Sounds like BUNK to me… What evidence do you have > to support your proposition the brain is really capable > of recognizing and discriminating good from bad > information??? > There is NO EVIDENCE whatsoever supporting what > you suggest here, and I think you are just trying to > SCAM good people out of their minds, by making them > use them all up… > PEOPLE!!! Don’t listen to this scam artist who only > wants you to THINK, so he can scam you out of you > mind while it is being preoccupied with his distraction > technique… > Don’t be fooled! Thinking can be dangerous! Reading > information will give you ideas. > CAVEAT EMPTOR. Jerry." > HOW TO FILTER POSTS ON NEWSGROUPS WITHOUT > KILLFILES > A SUPERDOG STATION EXCLUSIVE > I’ve found this incredible way to filter posts which I want > to share with you all, actually, I’ve been using it for a > few years now and you won’t believe it when I tell you how > powerful it is…I know this sounds complicated, but all you > have to do is look at posts/threads, decide which you think > you might want to read, and then read them. The ones you > don’t want to read, (listen carefully now…you don’t > read). > You see, you actually use something called your "BraIN" and > believe it or not, your eyes cooperate and if your "BraIN" > tells them not to read something, they won’t. Of course, > your hand has to cooperate with your brain by not clicking > unless it is told to. > Sexual predators, Heads of State, mimes, and people with > Parkinson’s Disease often have trouble controlling their > hands, but most everyone else should be okay. > Scientists have proven the filtering ability of the brain > with double blind experiments in Rhesus Monkeys. Of course, > many critics argue that doubly blinded monkeys are rendered > poor subjects for experiments involving sight and/or > perception, but what do these yahyahhing critics know > anyway? > Anyway, this "BraIN" thing is really cool. Many of you > people should try it sometime. It’s good for other things > besides newsgroups too! You can impress all your friends > and neighbors with it, and you can even use it to seduce > older teenagers like Britney Spears, middle-aged teenagers > like Christina Aguilera or even brand spankin new teenagers > like Mandy Moore, if they live close by. > DISCLAIMER: > (please do not trespass on private property to seduce > teenagers, regardless of age, unless you get written > permission from their parents or guardians). > HOW TO USE YOUR BRAIN IN NETSCAPE > Instead of filtering people, I filter threads and posts. I > typically read about 10-20% of the posts here, because I > don’t have time to read them all….in Netscape, I just read > the ones I want to read, then I hit SHIFT-C (which marks all > messages read) > Or…the long way by clicking up top > Messages—> > Mark—-> > all read > Then I just close the window and I’m done. Then next time I > open it, only new messages appear. If I find an interesting > thread, where I want to go back and read the whole thing, I > can go back and mark the whole thread unread and read it. > View—> > Messages—> > all > HOW TO USE YOUR BRAIN IN OUTLOOK > read the help > HOW TO USE YOUR BRAIN IN AGENT > read the help > HOW TO USE YOUR BRAIN IN AOL > obviously, if you use AOL for newsgroups you can’t > JUST KIDDING! I was just yah yahhing you there. > read the help > HOW TO USE YOUR BRAIN IN EUDORA > read the help > HOW TO USE YOUR BRAIN IN XNEWS > read the help > HOW TO USE YOUR BRAIN in other programs, > see above and extrapolate (a fancy way of using your brain) > Yours for dogs, law and order, the American Way, and the > keeping of the ruffians, the ya yahhers, the troublemakers, > the cat callers, and the "up to no good" at bay… > This is Michael > Reporting Live… > http://dogtv.com
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Hello marquis de "read koehler for content," shaw, > Most, though not all, newsreaders enable you to > automatically mark certain posts or threads as read. > This is usually referred to as a killfile or a filter.
What’s your purpose for encouraging people to killfile others? Are you AFRAID of something? I’ll bet you are. I’ll bet you’re AFRAID to be embarassed by the truth. Here’s some filter advice that will help you out in real life as well as on the news groups: USE YOUR BRAIN. If a post makes sense, it’s probably sensible… HOWE’S THAT? Here’s more: The following will give YOU some NEW OPTIONS: "Hello Soup, Sounds like BUNK to me… What evidence do you have to support your proposition the brain is really capable of recognizing and discriminating good from bad information??? There is NO EVIDENCE whatsoever supporting what you suggest here, and I think you are just trying to SCAM good people out of their minds, by making them use them all up… PEOPLE!!! Don’t listen to this scam artist who only wants you to THINK, so he can scam you out of you mind while it is being preoccupied with his distraction technique… Don’t be fooled! Thinking can be dangerous! Reading information will give you ideas. CAVEAT EMPTOR. Jerry."
– Hide quoted text — Show quoted text -> HOW TO FILTER POSTS ON NEWSGROUPS WITHOUT > KILLFILES > A SUPERDOG STATION EXCLUSIVE > I’ve found this incredible way to filter posts which I want > to share with you all, actually, I’ve been using it for a > few years now and you won’t believe it when I tell you how > powerful it is…I know this sounds complicated, but all you > have to do is look at posts/threads, decide which you think > you might want to read, and then read them. The ones you > don’t want to read, (listen carefully now…you don’t > read). > You see, you actually use something called your "BraIN" and > believe it or not, your eyes cooperate and if your "BraIN" > tells them not to read something, they won’t. Of course, > your hand has to cooperate with your brain by not clicking > unless it is told to. > Sexual predators, Heads of State, mimes, and people with > Parkinson’s Disease often have trouble controlling their > hands, but most everyone else should be okay. > Scientists have proven the filtering ability of the brain > with double blind experiments in Rhesus Monkeys. Of course, > many critics argue that doubly blinded monkeys are rendered > poor subjects for experiments involving sight and/or > perception, but what do these yahyahhing critics know > anyway? > Anyway, this "BraIN" thing is really cool. Many of you > people should try it sometime. It’s good for other things > besides newsgroups too! You can impress all your friends > and neighbors with it, and you can even use it to seduce > older teenagers like Britney Spears, middle-aged teenagers > like Christina Aguilera or even brand spankin new teenagers > like Mandy Moore, if they live close by. > DISCLAIMER: > (please do not trespass on private property to seduce > teenagers, regardless of age, unless you get written > permission from their parents or guardians). > HOW TO USE YOUR BRAIN IN NETSCAPE > Instead of filtering people, I filter threads and posts. I > typically read about 10-20% of the posts here, because I > don’t have time to read them all….in Netscape, I just read > the ones I want to read, then I hit SHIFT-C (which marks all > messages read) > Or…the long way by clicking up top > Messages—> > Mark—-> > all read > Then I just close the window and I’m done. Then next time I > open it, only new messages appear. If I find an interesting > thread, where I want to go back and read the whole thing, I > can go back and mark the whole thread unread and read it. > View—> > Messages—> > all > HOW TO USE YOUR BRAIN IN OUTLOOK > read the help > HOW TO USE YOUR BRAIN IN AGENT > read the help > HOW TO USE YOUR BRAIN IN AOL > obviously, if you use AOL for newsgroups you can’t > JUST KIDDING! I was just yah yahhing you there. > read the help > HOW TO USE YOUR BRAIN IN EUDORA > read the help > HOW TO USE YOUR BRAIN IN XNEWS > read the help > HOW TO USE YOUR BRAIN in other programs, > see above and extrapolate (a fancy way of using your brain) > Yours for dogs, law and order, the American Way, and the > keeping of the ruffians, the ya yahhers, the troublemakers, > the cat callers, and the "up to no good" at bay… > This is Michael > Reporting Live… > http://dogtv.com
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> Most, though not all, newsreaders enable you to automatically mark > certain posts or threads as read.
What’sa? You afraid of information? Here’s some filter advice that will help you out in real life as well as on the news groups: USE YOUR BRAIN. If a post makes sense, it’s probably sensible… HOWE’S THAT? Here’s more: The following will give YOU some NEW OPTIONS: "Hello Soup, Sounds like BUNK to me… What evidence do you have to support your proposition the brain is really capable of recognizing and discriminating good from bad information??? There is NO EVIDENCE whatsoever supporting what you suggest here, and I think you are just trying to SCAM good people out of their minds, by making them use them all up… PEOPLE!!! Don’t listen to this scam artist who only wants you to THINK, so he can scam you out of you mind while it is being preoccupied with his distraction technique… Don’t be fooled! Thinking can be dangerous! Reading information will give you ideas. CAVEAT EMPTOR." Jerry.
– Hide quoted text — Show quoted text -> HOW TO FILTER POSTS ON NEWSGROUPS WITHOUT > KILLFILES > A SUPERDOG STATION EXCLUSIVE > I’ve found this incredible way to filter posts which I want > to share with you all, actually, I’ve been using it for a > few years now and you won’t believe it when I tell you how > powerful it is…I know this sounds complicated, but all you > have to do is look at posts/threads, decide which you think > you might want to read, and then read them. The ones you > don’t want to read, (listen carefully now…you don’t > read). > You see, you actually use something called your "BraIN" and > believe it or not, your eyes cooperate and if your "BraIN" > tells them not to read something, they won’t. Of course, > your hand has to cooperate with your brain by not clicking > unless it is told to. > Sexual predators, Heads of State, mimes, and people with > Parkinson’s Disease often have trouble controlling their > hands, but most everyone else should be okay. > Scientists have proven the filtering ability of the brain > with double blind experiments in Rhesus Monkeys. Of course, > many critics argue that doubly blinded monkeys are rendered > poor subjects for experiments involving sight and/or > perception, but what do these yahyahhing critics know > anyway? > Anyway, this "BraIN" thing is really cool. Many of you > people should try it sometime. It’s good for other things > besides newsgroups too! You can impress all your friends > and neighbors with it, and you can even use it to seduce > older teenagers like Britney Spears, middle-aged teenagers > like Christina Aguilera or even brand spankin new teenagers > like Mandy Moore, if they live close by. > DISCLAIMER: > (please do not trespass on private property to seduce > teenagers, regardless of age, unless you get written > permission from their parents or guardians). > HOW TO USE YOUR BRAIN IN NETSCAPE > Instead of filtering people, I filter threads and posts. I > typically read about 10-20% of the posts here, because I > don’t have time to read them all….in Netscape, I just read > the ones I want to read, then I hit SHIFT-C (which marks all > messages read) > Or…the long way by clicking up top > Messages—> > Mark—-> > all read > Then I just close the window and I’m done. Then next time I > open it, only new messages appear. If I find an interesting > thread, where I want to go back and read the whole thing, I > can go back and mark the whole thread unread and read it. > View—> > Messages—> > all > HOW TO USE YOUR BRAIN IN OUTLOOK > read the help > HOW TO USE YOUR BRAIN IN AGENT > read the help > HOW TO USE YOUR BRAIN IN AOL > obviously, if you use AOL for newsgroups you can’t > JUST KIDDING! I was just yah yahhing you there. > read the help > HOW TO USE YOUR BRAIN IN EUDORA > read the help > HOW TO USE YOUR BRAIN IN XNEWS > read the help > HOW TO USE YOUR BRAIN in other programs, > see above and extrapolate (a fancy way of using your brain) > Yours for dogs, law and order, the American Way, and the > keeping of the ruffians, the ya yahhers, the troublemakers, > the cat callers, and the "up to no good" at bay… > This is Michael > Reporting Live… > http://dogtv.com
"I know that most men, including those at ease with problems of the greatest complexity, can seldom accept even the simplest and most obvious truth if it would oblige them to admit the falsity of conclusions which they have delighted in explaining to colleagues, proudly taught to others, and which they have woven, thread by thread, into the fabric of their lives." -Leo Tolstoy- Is it any wonder that the following sig file has generated more complaints to my personal email than any other controversial post I have made to date, bar none?: CAVEAT If you have to do things to your dog to train him that you would rather not have to do, then you shouldn’t be doing them. If you have a dog trainer who tells you to jerk your dog around, choke him, pinch his ears, or twist his toes, shock, shake, slap, scold, hit, chin cuff, scruff shake or punish your dog in any manner, that corrections are appropriate, that the dog won’t think of you as the punisher, or that corrections are not harmful, or if they can’t train your dog to do what you want, look for a trainer that knows HOWE. Sincerely, Jerry Howe, Wits’ End Dog Training http://www.doggydoright.com Nature, to be mastered, must be obeyed. -Francis Bacon- There are terrible people who, instead of solving a problem, bungle it and make it more difficult for all who come after. Who ever can’t hit the nail on the head should, please, not hit at all. -Nietzsche- The abilities to think, rationalize and solve problems are learned qualities. The Wits’ End Dog Training Method challenges the learning centers in the dogs brain. These centers, once challenged, develop and continue to grow to make him smarter. The Wits’ End Dog Training method capitalizes on praising split seconds of canine thought, strategy, and timing, not mindless hours of forced repetition, constant corrections, and scolding. -Jerry Howe-
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I set up a killfile so that I can block the sender, how do I put ninnyboy or something like that in the killfile as well. I am using X-news
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[posted and mailed, followup set to poster] <attrib>Sunshine on my shoulders makes me happy. Posting …</attrib> > I set up a killfile so that I can block the sender, how do I put > ninnyboy or something like that in the killfile as well. I am using > X-news
method 1: edit score.ini (found in your xnews directory) and place the follwing section into it: [rec.pets.*] Score:: =-9999 method 2: In the XNews header viewing window, select Article –> Add to Scorefile (or press the "S" key) In the Scoring dialogue, select New Section then edit the text in that field so it contains only rec.pets.* in it Under 2. Score Value, select "KILL" Click "Never Expire" Select "Subject" "matches" then edit the text in that field to put only the word "ninnyboy" without the quotes in there. Click "Apply" — gekko You can see a lot by observing. — Yogi Berra
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Most, though not all, newsreaders enable you to automatically mark certain posts or threads as read. This is usually referred to as a killfile or a filter. Instructions on how to create a killfile for some of the more common newsreaders are below. If yours isn’t listed, try looking in your browser under "help." Disclaimer: These instructions have been compiled from a variety of sources. I only use rn myself so if the instructions below can’t help you, I can’t either. Conversely, if you have any additions or corrections to this list, please feel free to email me at reposted. Many, many thanks to everyone who’s contributed!–Dianne Schoenberg AGENT Pull down the ‘Window’ on the Menu. Go to Usenet Filters and click on that. The first icon on the toolbox should be to ‘Add Kill Filter’. Click on that. The edit window will come up. In the area ‘Filter Expression’, write ’Jerry Howe’. And then under ‘Kill Action’, mark whatever little button you want. AOL 5.0 (note: versions prior to 5.0 lack killfiles) From the newsgroups window, choose preferences and a window will open that says, "Global newsgroup preferences." Click on the filtering tab (there should be filtering, viewing, and posting tabs). Select filter type from the pulldown menu. Enter the filter in the text field below the pulldown menu. Then click on the "add filter" button below the text field. Then click "save" at the bottom of the page, and you’re done. FREE AGENT Regrettably, Free Agent does not have a filter feature. Shell out the few bucks for the upgrade; I’m told you won’t regret it. MT NEWSREADER FOR THE MAC: Lets you killfile in a large number of ways. When a window showing one article is foremost (and when an article is highlighted in a window showing the list of articles for a group), a couple of entries on the ’Filter’ submenu of the Edit menu are enabled. These are ‘Filter this author…’ and ‘Filter this subject…’, which create author or subject filters for the active articles respectively. NETSCAPE COMMUNICATOR Under the Edit Menu, choose the Message Filters… command. In the resulting dialog box, click the New button to define a new filter. Give the filter a name, like "Filter Jerry." Set the criteria for the filter. For example, "sender is Jerry Howe" or "subject contains ninnyboy". Select what to do with filtered messages (delete, ignore, etc…) Click OK. You may have to disconnect and reconnect for it to take effect. [N.B. As far as I can tell, there is no way to apply a Message Filter to a newsgroup if you're using a Unix or Linux version of Communicator. This currently (Communicator v. 4.61) seems to work *only* for email on those platforms. -mshaw] OUTLOOK EXPRESS 5.0 Go to the toolbar at the top of any post written by the person you wish to banish from your computer. Click on "Message"; then, on the drop-down menu, click on "Block Sender". To filter out certain messages rather than blocking a sender entirely you can create message ‘rules.’ Say you want to filter out all messages containing ‘ninnyboy’ in the subject line. Go to Message, Create Rule from Message. Select the condition for each message rule you want to create and apply. RN & TRN To create a global killfile in either of these newsreaders, create a file in your News directory called KILL (this must be in all capital letters). Use any text editor to enter the following line into it: newsgroup you read. TIN Read a message from the person you want to killfile or with the subject heading you want to killfile. While that’s on the screen, hit ctrl and k at the same time (^k). A questionaire type screen appears. Return is like saying yes. Space will toggle from the "subject header" to the "sent from" line. In other words, you can choose to kill anything from a particular person or to kill anything with a particular word in the subject heading. I recommend killfiling people instead of killfiling words because I might want to kill a subject about "lying dirt bags" today but want to read something about a dog "lying in dirt" tomorrow. The people stay more constant than the subject lines. Toggle with the space bar until you have the combination you want and then hit return several times to send. The subject line and sent from line should already be typed in if you were in the message screen when you hit ctrl k. Doesn’t work? There’s a question that reads kill pattern. Sometimes I have to type in the person’s name exactly the way it reads on the sent from line. I’m not sure why. X-NEWS When reading an article, press ‘k’ to add the poster to the plonk file. It will then ask you for an expiration period – 100 days is the default. If you want a person permanently zapped, change "100" to "0". XRN (At least, version 9.02. Don’t know about earlier versions) With an article from the troll in question selected, hold shift while clicking the "Author Kill" button to kill for the current group. To kill for ALL groups, use the Control key instead of the shift key.
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> Troll…
Well…..Isn’t that the pot calling the kettle black.
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>Hmm, I assume this is crossposted from Jar Jar. It smells like his >tripe. >Funny how he’s now reduced to posting to a auto post from >Mark. He used to do this to CTM’s auto-posts, too. >Maybe even new folks have stopped talking to him by now? >I may visit there again someday, if this is so. >Terri
I am confused. I posted, having a bit of fun with the dolt. Since I am a ‘cookie trainer’, I wondered how the heck he would handle a competition trainer who only uses inducive training. He called me a TROLL:)
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I am a troll? Is it because I can do what I say with proof and you cannot?:) Mindy and the Muddy Paws Pack U-CDX CH Tribute’s Three X The Charm UDX,TDX,AX,NAJ (I don’t need anything but my mom and a hot dog:) Muddy Paws Tri the Truth TD and Muddy Paws Beautiful Trinket and my rescue forever U-CDX Strange Quark UD,TD,OA,NAJ – Hide quoted text — Show quoted text ->Troll… > >OhmydoG, Mindy–don’t you know that she believes in cookie > >training?! And she perpetuates horrible punishments like > >leaving the room if the dog’s not paying attention to you?! > >You dog abuser, you <*vvbg*> > I know. My dogs look so sad in the ring, their tails WAGGING in >fear that they > might not keep up, or retrieve the toy or do signals fast enough >because there > is NO WAY to know if the cookie will come then:) I am evil, I >make them WAIT > for Cookies, then JACKPOT:)
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>>OhmydoG, Mindy–don’t you know that she believes in cookie >training?! And she perpetuates horrible punishments like >leaving the room if the dog’s not paying attention to you?! >You dog abuser, you <*vvbg*> >I know. My dogs look so sad in the ring, their tails WAGGING in fear >that they might not keep up, or retrieve the toy or do signals fast >enough because there is NO WAY to know if the cookie will come then:) I >am evil, I make them WAIT for Cookies, then JACKPOT:)
Hmm, I assume this is crossposted from Jar Jar. It smells like his tripe. Funny how he’s now reduced to posting to a auto post from Mark. He used to do this to CTM’s auto-posts, too. Maybe even new folks have stopped talking to him by now? I may visit there again someday, if this is so. Terri
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>Why don’t you dispute my methods and information? If you can’t, >perhaps you’ll get jecks to discuss this with me??? I’d love to talk >with a knowledgable, well known author, and prove his metal… bye~
Dawn Jecs has worked with prisoners rehabbing dogs, as well as having competition obedience dogs. I do not know if she has an email addy, but she has several books at Dogwise. I have much more faith in someone I can talk to and see and read and watch in the ring than I do in a box. Mindy, EVILLY shaping dog behavior by MAKING THEM eat cheese on a spoon while staying in heel position, or trying to catch my hand with a treat in it:) NO COLLAR OR LEASH OH NO!
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>HOWE’S your woolie? >You’ve never participated in an honest discussion of dog training..
I don’t need to participate. I am more of a doer. I don’t have woolies, I do have English springer that I train, breed, love and share my life with. I am an advocate of Dawn Jecs, and sometimes Chris Bach. I prefer to learn from those that do what I want to do: Perform exquisitely in the ring, at home, in the field, with a happy attitude because it was fun for all of us. So far, so good. No strange black boxes, just hotdogs and cheese. We believe we are here to dance, without stepping on toes. I don’t sell anything, and I don’t need to. I train other peoples dogs, and don’t have bizarre behavioral problems. Hmmmm, I don’t do much right:)
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Troll… – Hide quoted text — Show quoted text ->OhmydoG, Mindy–don’t you know that she believes in cookie >training?! And she perpetuates horrible punishments like >leaving the room if the dog’s not paying attention to you?! >You dog abuser, you <*vvbg*> > I know. My dogs look so sad in the ring, their tails WAGGING in fear that they > might not keep up, or retrieve the toy or do signals fast enough because there > is NO WAY to know if the cookie will come then:) I am evil, I make them WAIT > for Cookies, then JACKPOT:)
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>ello marquis de "read koehler for content,"shaw, >Funn isn’t it, that everyone who is upset with me are koehler or >shock collar trainers. koehler trainers are dog abusing cowards…
I find you a ludicrus little pest who misinforms the general public. And I have no shock collars nor any interest in Koehler. Though I do subscribe to Dawn Jecs. Go back to the hole you are digging.
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>I find you a ludicrus little pest who misinforms the general public. And I >have no shock collars nor any interest in Koehler. Though I do subscribe to >Dawn Jecs.
OhmydoG, Mindy–don’t you know that she believes in cookie training?! And she perpetuates horrible punishments like leaving the room if the dog’s not paying attention to you?! You dog abuser, you <*vvbg*>. Dianne
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>OhmydoG, Mindy–don’t you know that she believes in cookie >training?! And she perpetuates horrible punishments like >leaving the room if the dog’s not paying attention to you?! >You dog abuser, you <*vvbg*>
I know. My dogs look so sad in the ring, their tails WAGGING in fear that they might not keep up, or retrieve the toy or do signals fast enough because there is NO WAY to know if the cookie will come then:) I am evil, I make them WAIT for Cookies, then JACKPOT:)
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Why don’t you dispute my methods and information? If you can’t, perhaps you’ll get jecks to discuss this with me??? I’d love to talk with a knowledgable, well known author, and prove his metal… bye~ – Hide quoted text — Show quoted text ->ello marquis de "read koehler for content,"shaw, >Funn isn’t it, that everyone who is upset with me are koehler or >shock collar trainers. koehler trainers are dog abusing cowards… > I find you a ludicrus little pest who misinforms the general public. And I > have no shock collars nor any interest in Koehler. Though I do subscribe to > Dawn Jecs. Go back to the hole you are digging.
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HOWE’S your woolie? You’ve never participated in an honest discussion of dog training… – Hide quoted text — Show quoted text ->I find you a ludicrus little pest who misinforms the general public. And I >have no shock collars nor any interest in Koehler. Though I do subscribe to >Dawn Jecs. > OhmydoG, Mindy–don’t you know that she believes in cookie > training?! And she perpetuates horrible punishments like > leaving the room if the dog’s not paying attention to you?! > You dog abuser, you <*vvbg*>. > Dianne
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Hello marquis de "read koehler for content,"shaw, Funn isn’t it, that everyone who is upset with me are koehler or shock collar trainers. koehler trainers are dog abusing cowards…
> Most, though not all, newsreaders enable you to automatically > mark certain posts or threads as read. This is usually referred to as > a killfile or a filter.
Is this what you are afraid people will see?:
> Mac has his head in my lap, and I just accidentally bopped him > with the keyboard. He "oofed", looked at me, and put his head > back down. When you hurt your dogs, how do they know when > it’s an accident? At the vet’s, how do they know pain may be > necessary?
Hello Chris, That’s just what I was wondering myself… You know trust is something that is not easily earned, and difficult to be regained once lost. Dogs are smarter than our "traditional" trainers believe and in some regards they don’t think quite like we do. Some of our experts believe we cannot tell what a dog is thinking. Did you see my post "Crocodile Hunter?" The point to that was reflexive behavior, like positive thigmotaxis, as example. The crazy Aussie either intentionally or accidentally allowed a rather large croc in the water hissing at him, to grab his hand. He gave in rather than resisted, and the croc spit him out, apparently without even drawing blood. Dogs frequently bite the same way. Resistance always triggers the opposition reflex, positive thigmotaxis, and compels the critter to engage in a full blown attack. Remember my story of the chimp who’d bite the beejeesus out of you if you reflexed when he’d suddenly pull your hand up to his mouth and feign a bite? Same thing. Your resistance signals mistrust. The more you resist, the more he bites till he lets you go when you stop fighting him. They don’t think like we do. Trust did not have any bearing on the croc, so don’t misunderstand. We discussed this here a bit with Canis55, if you recall. Long ago but right here, lying"I LOVE KOEHLER,"lynn said protection trained dogs needed to be flanked (pulled by the loose skin between rear leg and ribs), switched (beat with a 30-40"Hickory stick or riding crop [a la' lyingfrosty dahl]), muzzed to be safely slapped around (I don’t even know if they got a name for that, but notice our experts are particularly concerned with self), or have their tails and ears pulled, to reliably train a protection dog. My response was to say hurting dogs to train them is unacceptable, which promted dirtydan h to ask me HOWE I train protection dogs, which led to my McProtection Training post, which marybeth soon perverted to be called Jerry’s Spike & Squirt Method, which led to the spiking temps red herring thing, which to date, no one has ever quoted the offensive method in the text, because the rise in temp is a physiological response to the situation. The dog is working out of love and pack survival instinct. Why would our dogs expect us to ever inflict pain on them or intimidate them in any manner? Jerry don’t go for that. My dogs’ temperatuers rise when their kinder, gentler handlers are threatened by our aggitator. For my money, you ain’t gonna make a dog like that bite you for love or liver. Maybe that’s really why I don’t physically or emotionally punish or scold or even reprimand dogs, because it violates trust, and that’s what gets you bit. Untrained dogs don’t bite because they’re aggressive, they bite because they’re scared. That’s why handlers get bit. Tha’s why trainers hang dogs. That’s why lots of dogs flash when people lean over or stare at them. Lack of trust, they’re scared. I’ve worked with dogs having submissive urination problems and fixed it in just one protection lesson. j;~} Have you read: – Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – >Tittle Moore) writes: >>If [one] gets the dog to open his mouth by itself it is not >>forcing the dog [...]? > Selective editing, because I’m not at all interested in the > "win-lose game" aspect you keep belabouring: This part > caught my eye. When doing a conditioned retrieve, every > step of the way is all about getting *the dog > itself* to choose each time. If *you* > are the one to open the mouth, drag the dog over to the > dumbbell, push it in the mouth, and so on, you are not teaching > the dog anything. Obviously the meaning of force has a much > wider application than the narrow definition you forced it into. It > is a very complex concept, which is perhaps why people get so > hung up over it. > I have not been able to follow this entire thread, but I would like > to comment on the "force" issue. As a behaviorist, I don’t believe > that there is "free will" or "choice" which determines behavior. > From my philosophical standpoint all behavior is forced or > determined. In some cases the force is quite clear as when > presenting an eliciting stimulus which immediately elicits a > response (such as shining a light into a mammal’s eye and the > pupil contracts) and in other cases the force is quite obscure (as > when your dog gets up off the floor, jumps on the couch, and > settles at your side). > In the method I posted for training a retrieve, it is true that I > opened my dog’s mouth and I understand why compared to other > methods, like the one that accompanied my post by Diane > Blackman, people could describe what I did as using force. But > again, from my standpoint, all behavior is forced; from my > standpoint volition is an illusion. As Cindy, cogently noted > above, "force" is a difficult concept to address. > My point here is that any such discussion involves deep > philosophical and religious issues. > For any training procedure we should ask: > 1) effectiveness–does it work? > 2) efficiency–does it work quickly and with minimal resources? > 3) relationship–does it strengthen or weaken the extent our > pet/friends will bond with us? [That's why we > try to almost always use positive reinforcement > rather than punishement.] > Jerry, the Merchant of the Magic Box, always considers 3) > whereas we sceptics always consider 1) and 2). > –Marshall
O.K. doc, grab a ringside seat and have some cotton candy to enjoy, while watching the death-defying high wire act, performed without a safety net… Let’s have a go at it, shall we? I’m going to explain a couple of things to you that I’d kind of like you to keep in mind, even though you probably won’t understand what it is that I’m saying. Otherwise, you’d have understood by now. Ferstaisch? It would have been obvious to you, had you read my manual. Your words, doc: "Jerry, the Merchant of the Magic Box, always considers 3)" This con man is so smart, he’s going to put himself out of business, by giving away free training information that will obviate the need for his machine and cost him sales, in many cases? Good competition is good for business, so why not compete with my own interests? I’d have a hard time finding a more worthy adversary. Wouldn’t you agree? The motivation for such a poor business decision isn’t sheer stupidity, doc, it is indeed, number three. As a simple, uneducated professional dog trainer, doc, I’m very aware of the urgent need to bring harmony to dogs’ and their people’s lives. I realize the need for people to improve the quality of their and their dogs’ lives, through learning proper handling and training techniques. Dogs’ lives are at stake here, doc… As a professional dog trainer, doc, I don’t settle for second rate advice for my dogs or my students. There is no excuse for anything less than excellence in one’s field, especially my fields of expertise… Wouldn’t you agree professor? 1) effectiveness–does it work? The methods in my manual doc, are scientifically and psychologically based. The techniques are precise, and the results are repeatable consistently, on any dog, even wolves. The effects happen almost instantly, certainly within three or four repetitions, if done correctly. Many other animals can be handled the same way (my rats would come when called, and no, I didn’t use food bribes on them either), all you gotta do is be bright enough, observant enough, and be accurate in your timing, to use the tools properly. A five year old child could do it, with a little help from mommy. You’d have been able to learn a lot from reading my text, doc. You would have learned by now (after wasting eight months), that the Wits’ End Dog Training Method has as much to do with family, as it does with training dogs. There is little difference between properly raising a child, and properly raising a dog. The ideology taught in the manual applies to your kids, your wife, and anybody important in your life. The concepts of respect and consideration as taught in my manual, will have significant inferences on the way we raise our children, work, think, live, govern ourselves, and will positively impact our society and eventually the entire world. The Wits’ End Method is not just a Howe to manual, it was written to make you THINK! Think about what you are doing with your dogs, kid, mates, employers, employees, co-workers, neighbors, government, and the entire world. 2) efficiency–does it work quickly and with minimal resources? Even better than that, doc. It’ FREE! And no other method works as quickly and effortlessly. Why don’t I just sit down, write a book and send it out to an editor, and put in some old photos, and sell it and get fat? For one thing, doc, I don’t need to get fat. My machine will make me fatter than you could ever conceive of. The information in my manual is unsurpassed, and cannot wait for me to polish it up … read more »
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Most, though not all, newsreaders enable you to automatically mark certain posts or threads as read. This is usually referred to as a killfile or a filter. Instructions on how to create a killfile for some of the more common newsreaders are below. If yours isn’t listed, try looking in your browser under "help." Disclaimer: These instructions have been compiled from a variety of sources. I only use rn myself so if the instructions below can’t help you, I can’t either. Conversely, if you have any additions or corrections to this list, please feel free to email me at reposted. Many, many thanks to everyone who’s contributed!–Dianne Schoenberg AGENT Pull down the ‘Window’ on the Menu. Go to Usenet Filters and click on that. The first icon on the toolbox should be to ‘Add Kill Filter’. Click on that. The edit window will come up. In the area ‘Filter Expression’, write ’Jerry Howe’. And then under ‘Kill Action’, mark whatever little button you want. AOL 5.0 (note: versions prior to 5.0 lack killfiles) From the newsgroups window, choose preferences and a window will open that says, "Global newsgroup preferences." Click on the filtering tab (there should be filtering, viewing, and posting tabs). Select filter type from the pulldown menu. Enter the filter in the text field below the pulldown menu. Then click on the "add filter" button below the text field. Then click "save" at the bottom of the page, and you’re done. FREE AGENT Regrettably, Free Agent does not have a filter feature. Shell out the few bucks for the upgrade; I’m told you won’t regret it. MT NEWSREADER FOR THE MAC: Lets you killfile in a large number of ways. When a window showing one article is foremost (and when an article is highlighted in a window showing the list of articles for a group), a couple of entries on the ’Filter’ submenu of the Edit menu are enabled. These are ‘Filter this author…’ and ‘Filter this subject…’, which create author or subject filters for the active articles respectively. NETSCAPE COMMUNICATOR Under the Edit Menu, choose the Message Filters… command. In the resulting dialog box, click the New button to define a new filter. Give the filter a name, like "Filter Jerry." Set the criteria for the filter. For example, "sender is Jerry Howe" or "subject contains ninnyboy". Select what to do with filtered messages (delete, ignore, etc…) Click OK. You may have to disconnect and reconnect for it to take effect. OUTLOOK EXPRESS 5.0 Go to the toolbar at the top of any post written by the person you wish to banish from your computer. Click on "Message"; then, on the drop-down menu, click on "Block Sender". To filter out certain messages rather than blocking a sender entirely you can create message ‘rules.’ Say you want to filter out all messages containing ‘ninnyboy’ in the subject line. Go to Message, Create Rule from Message. Select the condition for each message rule you want to create and apply. RN & TRN To create a global killfile in either of these newsreaders, create a file in your News directory called KILL (this must be in all capital letters). Use any text editor to enter the following line into it: newsgroup you read. TIN Read a message from the person you want to killfile or with the subject heading you want to killfile. While that’s on the screen, hit ctrl and k at the same time (^k). A questionaire type screen appears. Return is like saying yes. Space will toggle from the "subject header" to the "sent from" line. In other words, you can choose to kill anything from a particular person or to kill anything with a particular word in the subject heading. I recommend killfiling people instead of killfiling words because I might want to kill a subject about "lying dirt bags" today but want to read something about a dog "lying in dirt" tomorrow. The people stay more constant than the subject lines. Toggle with the space bar until you have the combination you want and then hit return several times to send. The subject line and sent from line should already be typed in if you were in the message screen when you hit ctrl k. Doesn’t work? There’s a question that reads kill pattern. Sometimes I have to type in the person’s name exactly the way it reads on the sent from line. I’m not sure why. X-NEWS When reading an article, press ‘k’ to add the poster to the plonk file. It will then ask you for an expiration period – 100 days is the default. If you want a person permanently zapped, change "100" to "0". XRN (At least, version 9.02. Don’t know about earlier versions) With an article from the troll in question selected, hold shift while clicking the "Author Kill" button to kill for the current group. To kill for ALL groups, use the Control key instead of the shift key.
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MAYBE, just MAYBE you missed the point of my post… Unless your intention’s simply to just "preach to the choir," well.. your (as-in the group) constant attacks on his dog-collar any time he claims you’re abusing dogs, well… causes the "hmm.." radar to flicker… I’ve used my own "training methods" ("good with animals" and such) so I’ve no interest in any of what either side has to offer.. just an interested Imagine watching an "old fort show" and noticing that the fort-occupiers are trying to distract the attacking soldiers’ attention from the fort instead of shooting/lobbing at ‘em from it…. It’d cause visions of glass-houses, red fish, etc… whether it’s true or not, wouldn’t it? Of course, you probably don’t care what "outsiders" think if you’re just here for the "sake of arguing"…. – Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – > A person who would require a "that’s not true" post in order to doubt the > truth of the statements is probably going to have difficulty > understanding the difference between claims and evidence. They also will > likely have difficulty understanding things such as context. In order to > explain it more posts would have to be written. This group is NOT > rec.pets.dogs.jerry Those of us who wish to enjoy the group have better > things to do than teach people critical thinking skills.
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>What do you mean, dogman?
To explain further, dogman, though I shouldn’t need to: I’ve said before, and often, that I don’t have any problem with training tools used correctly. I haven’t used either a prong or choke collar and am not knowledgeable in their use. So I have never commented on them, pro or con, other than to advise making sure that the trainer knows what he’s doing. — –Matt. Rocky’s a Dog.
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>>Where? When? >Et tu, brute?
What do you mean, dogman? — –Matt. Rocky’s a Dog.
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– Hide quoted text — Show quoted text -> Got an easier killfile. Simply go to: > <http://www.desisoft.com/fixnews/> > and follow the instructions! Works on Netscape > ONLY- but, allows blocking of messages by > subject/author/etc. > You don’t have to hate Jerry Howe to use one. You > just have to hate wasting the time it takes to > download and scan the continual crap some posters > throw at the newsgroups. It’s good for trolls; does > Jerry qualify? Who knows! But, if ya bug me, Z A > P !!! Yer GONE, FOREVER! And, I never have to read > your posts, nor see your name again. A certain small > dog lover called me a bad name a year ago-he’s gone! > Accolade Kennels > Bullmastiffs and English and French Bulldogs > Howard Conaway
Hello Howeard, Here’s some filter advice that will help you out in real life as well as on the news groups: USE YOUR BRAIN. If a post makes sense, it’s probably sensible… HOWE’S THAT? Here’s more: The following will give YOU some NEW OPTIONS: "Hello Soup, Sounds like BUNK to me… What evidence do you have to support your proposition the brain is really capable of recognizing and discriminating good from bad information??? There is NO EVIDENCE whatsoever supporting what you suggest here, and I think you are just trying to SCAM good people out of their minds, by making them use them all up… PEOPLE!!! Don’t listen to this scam artist who only wants you to THINK, so he can scam you out of you mind while it is being preoccupied with his distraction technique… Don’t be fooled! Thinking can be dangerous! Reading information will give you ideas. CAVEAT EMPTOR. Jerry."
– Hide quoted text — Show quoted text -> HOW TO FILTER POSTS ON NEWSGROUPS WITHOUT > KILLFILES > A SUPERDOG STATION EXCLUSIVE > I’ve found this incredible way to filter posts which I want > to share with you all, actually, I’ve been using it for a > few years now and you won’t believe it when I tell you how > powerful it is…I know this sounds complicated, but all you > have to do is look at posts/threads, decide which you think > you might want to read, and then read them. The ones you > don’t want to read, (listen carefully now…you don’t > read). > You see, you actually use something called your "BraIN" and > believe it or not, your eyes cooperate and if your "BraIN" > tells them not to read something, they won’t. Of course, > your hand has to cooperate with your brain by not clicking > unless it is told to. > Sexual predators, Heads of State, mimes, and people with > Parkinson’s Disease often have trouble controlling their > hands, but most everyone else should be okay. > Scientists have proven the filtering ability of the brain > with double blind experiments in Rhesus Monkeys. Of course, > many critics argue that doubly blinded monkeys are rendered > poor subjects for experiments involving sight and/or > perception, but what do these yahyahhing critics know > anyway? > Anyway, this "BraIN" thing is really cool. Many of you > people should try it sometime. It’s good for other things > besides newsgroups too! You can impress all your friends > and neighbors with it, and you can even use it to seduce > older teenagers like Britney Spears, middle-aged teenagers > like Christina Aguilera or even brand spankin new teenagers > like Mandy Moore, if they live close by. > DISCLAIMER: > (please do not trespass on private property to seduce > teenagers, regardless of age, unless you get written > permission from their parents or guardians). > HOW TO USE YOUR BRAIN IN NETSCAPE > Instead of filtering people, I filter threads and posts. I > typically read about 10-20% of the posts here, because I > don’t have time to read them all….in Netscape, I just read > the ones I want to read, then I hit SHIFT-C (which marks all > messages read) > Or…the long way by clicking up top > Messages—> > Mark—-> > all read > Then I just close the window and I’m done. Then next time I > open it, only new messages appear. If I find an interesting > thread, where I want to go back and read the whole thing, I > can go back and mark the whole thread unread and read it. > View—> > Messages—> > all > HOW TO USE YOUR BRAIN IN OUTLOOK > read the help > HOW TO USE YOUR BRAIN IN AGENT > read the help > HOW TO USE YOUR BRAIN IN AOL > obviously, if you use AOL for newsgroups you can’t > JUST KIDDING! I was just yah yahhing you there. > read the help > HOW TO USE YOUR BRAIN IN EUDORA > read the help > HOW TO USE YOUR BRAIN IN XNEWS > read the help > HOW TO USE YOUR BRAIN in other programs, > see above and extrapolate (a fancy way of using your brain) > Yours for dogs, law and order, the American Way, and the > keeping of the ruffians, the ya yahhers, the troublemakers, > the cat callers, and the "up to no good" at bay… > This is Michael > Reporting Live… > http://dogtv.com
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>>You said you use a pronged choke collar… >Where? When?
Et tu, brute? — Dogman http://www.i1.net/~dogman For everything you’ve ever wanted to know about our newsgroup’s many TROLLS: http://www.i1.net/~dogman/trolls.html "I really dislike – thats (sic) too harsh but the best I can state it – the entire sporting group and cannot imagine being forced to live with one – not my types at all!" Nancy Holmes
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>You said you use a pronged choke collar…
Where? When? — –Matt. Rocky’s a Dog.
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Got an easier killfile. Simply go to: <http://www.desisoft.com/fixnews/> and follow the instructions! Works on Netscape ONLY- but, allows blocking of messages by subject/author/etc. You don’t have to hate Jerry Howe to use one. You just have to hate wasting the time it takes to download and scan the continual crap some posters throw at the newsgroups. It’s good for trolls; does Jerry qualify? Who knows! But, if ya bug me, Z A P !!! Yer GONE, FOREVER! And, I never have to read your posts, nor see your name again. A certain small dog lover called me a bad name a year ago-he’s gone! Accolade Kennels Bullmastiffs and English and French Bulldogs Howard Conaway
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Hello lyingdoc dermer,
writes: >And what about his training info? Does that really > work? > Dear BD, > Have your read this:
http://home.earthlink.net/~tdwillis/Harlan/concerns.html > ?
Is that the best you can do, professor? Why don’t you just grade my work like you’d do one of them kids you’re ripping off in school? You’re a PROFESSOR. Don’t you think you can find ONE criticism of my work? You CAN’T, lying doc. And you WON’T defend your endorsement of koehler. You’ve killfiled Marilyn, because she’s got your number. Canis55 too. They’ve never been RUDE to you. I understand you being offended by my rudness. Our koheler trainers are a sensitive sort. > –Marshall
Your food bribes may work well in a lab cage, but they don’t work well in the real world where we don’t deprive food and twist and pinch ears and toes or shock and choke dogs. Oh, I forgot. You approve of that too. > I have read rpdb for about four years. Consequently, I > urge newbies to attend to the civil and rational posts > of the rpdb regulars from whom I have > learned much. > They include: Amy Dahl,
Here’s a quote from lyingfrosty dahl: "Get a stick 30- or 40-inches long. You can have a helper wield the stick, or do it yourself. Tougher, less tractable dogs may require you to progress to striking them more sharply. REPEAT, VARYING HOW HARD YOU HIT THE DOG" moore lyingfrosty dahl: "I would never advise anyone to slap a dog I do not believe there is a single circumstance, ever, where slapping a dog is anything but destructive." RIGHT. She PINCHES, not twists… and chin cuff doesn’t mean hit, according to lyinglynn and avrama… amy lyingfrosty dahl continues: Make the dog’s need to stop the pinching so urgent that resisting your will fades in importance. but will squeal, thrash around, and direct their efforts to escaping the ear pinch even get a studded collar and pinch the ear against that if the dog still does not open its mouth, get out the shotshell. Try pinching the ear between the metal casing and the collar, even the buckle on the collar. Persist! Eventually, the dog will give in" Immediately tap the dog on the hindquarters with the stick. Repeat "fetch" and pinch the ear all the way to the dummy. Gotta LOVE koehler. dahl makes koheler look like St. Francis. > Janet Boss,
See the thread "Interested in hearing." > Diane Blackman,
Cuts poo in half lengthwise and fills it with hot sauce and MSG. And argues to defend HURTING dogs. > Cindy Tittle Moore,
Banned from training at two obedience clubs. Twists and pinches ears and toes, shoves fingers down puppy’s mouths to break them of mouthing, shocks and jerks and chokes dog on pronged choke collars, chin cuffs, scruff shakes, knees dogs in the chest, throws them down by their ears and climbs on them like a raped ape (the "heaviest weapon in my dog training arsenal."), shoves dog’s heads under water she’s filled into holes the dog has dug, and recommends the koehler book to learn to HANG dogs in the event her regular training methods cause temperment problems in SOME poorly bred dogs… > Susan Fraser,
Does all the same, but says she doesn’t hurt. See the thread "bonding." > Avrama Gingold,
Her dog bashed her teeth down her throat on a come command because he learned to be sneaky as she’d taught him. She’d wait till he wasn’t looking and jerk him to make him come, trying to make him think that he accidentally choked himself. Dogs aren’t stupid. The dog got even, and faked her out making her think it was an accident when he bashed her face in on a recall. That’s allomimetic behavior AT IT’S BEST, professor. > Lynn Kosmakos,
Title lying"I LOVE KOEHLER"lynn. A proven liar and dog abuser. > Bob Maida,
He’s never given any advice except killfile Jerry and "don’t let him do that" He turned away carol saying another trainer could help her more with a dog aggression problem. He couldn’t have her coming back here saying Jerry was right, boob hurt my dog to train him. boob’s trained dogs for thirty two years, and he hasn’t learned a thing. He ays he tells his students to read cindymooreon’s page, and they report they learn a lot from it. I’ll bet… He even told me he’d ENDORSE my methods if I’d lay off of you bums. He’s "only trying to make a living," he said. > Nancy Holmes,
She’s not too bad, but she does use a shock fence. She’s trying to wean herself almost completely off of force training. > MaryBeth,
Now here’s a true psycho. She lets her dogs eat poo straight out of each other’s butts. She’ll twist words as fast as cindymooreon twists ears and toes. > Denna Pace,
"There’s much wisdom in koehler." Her dogs run away. > Ludwig Smith,
Another koehler trainer. Recommends cindymooreon’s website. > John Richardson,
He’s a koehler trainer, and he kills any pit bulls that growl at a human. He’s a vicious thug. He can’t understand not hurting dogs to train them. He likes dog aggressive dogs, that’s his breed’s character. NO PROBLEM. He’s afraid of dogs, likes dog fighting dogs, and kills any pit bull who growls at a human to protect the good reputation of the breed, so he can keep enjoying fighting dogs in the tradition of the dogmen who brought us this wonderful bloodsport breed. He’s a freak. > Jane Webb,
She trains come with treats and praise, and she proofs it with the shock collar. The man said "geessusss!" as Moon flipped assoverbucket in the air when he got shocked. > and Terri Willis.
Yes, psychoclown. She LOVES to HURT dogs to train them.
"Nope. That "beating dogs with sticks" things is something you twisted out of context, because you are full of bizarro manure." From koehler: "While he’s held in close, lay the strap vigorously against his thighs. Keep pouring it on him until he thinks it’s the bitter end. A real whaling now may cut down somewhat on the number of repeat performances that will be necessary. When you’re finished and the dog is convinced that he is, put him on a long down to think things over while you catch your breath." Koehler On Correcting The Housebreaking Backslider. "If the punishment is not severe enough, some of these "backsliders" will think they’re winning and will continue to mess in the house. An indelible impression can sometimes be made by giving the dog a hard spanking of long duration, then leaving him tied by the mess he’s made so you can come back at twenty minute intervals and punish him again for the same thing. (Dogs are REALLY stupid. J.H.) Koehler On Correcting The Barking Dog "Thunder through the door or gate, snatch up the belt that you’ve conveniently placed, and descend on him. He’ll have no chance to dodge if you grab the line and reel him in until his front feet are raised off the floor or, if he’s a big dog, until you’ve snubbed him up with a hitch on something (ceiling hook, rafters, tree limb, door, or even over your shoulder, if you know HOWE. j.h.) > Marshall Lev Dermer/ Department of Psychology/ > University of > http://www.uwm.edu/~dermer > If I am not for myself, who will be for me. But if I am > only for myself, what am I? The Talmud
Just judging by the people you’ve learned so much from here that you recommend we listen to, I’d say that’d make you a world class schmuck. Your pal, Jerry "The Phony," Howe.
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Hello again, blackman. I ain’t DONE with you yet. I accidentally sent the first half of this post before I was done frying your butt. To continue: > Is what Jerry says about this and the other trainers here not true? > Those of us who wish to enjoy the group have better > things to do than teach people critical thinking skills.
Talk dog training, blackman. Tell us HOWE you rationalize HURTING dogs MOORE than we’d LIKE to, as your PAL lyingdogDUMMY say’s is necessary (according to the koehler method), to cure coprophagia and hole digging and fence jumping? Paul B and Marty B had NO PROBLEM doing it in a few minutes over a couple of days, WITHOUT HURTING NOBODY. YOU are the one in need of improving YOUR thinking skills. You can’t take INSTRUCTIONS to BEAT a dog for prolonged, repeated BEATINGS, and HANGING dogs who complain about being BEATEN, and claim they’re taken OUT OF CONTEXT. People who beat animals belong in JAIL, or mental institutions for the CRIMINALLY INSANE… GOT IT??? > And what about his training info? Does that > really work?
It’s worked for many years for me and my students. This has been my career… You’ve been a FLUNKY most of your worthless life, and you’ve latched onto THIS as some way to validate yourself. Did pretty good till I came around and burst your freaking bubble, eh? > Virtually any training method applied consistently > will work for some dogs and some people. If it > appeals to you, try it.
Yeah. Try my method on 100 dogs, and try koehler’s method on 100 dogs. You’ll get back LESS DOG than you started with, using the koehler methods. Those dogs that will be missing will be DEAD, as result of being HURT till they turn on their trainers, and KILLED, because of BAD BREEDING. That’s what YOU LIKE. OPTIONS. Ask Fritz. Ask Samson. Their owners chose the WRONG OPTIONS. But let’s keep an OPEN MIND, we don’t want to throw the baby out with the bath water… > I don’t much care about any "bait-n-switch > practices" claims or whatever.. I’m smart > enough to recognize an ad when I see it, as are > most adults, so I really don’t see where the "beef" > is with that one. > I thought most people were smart enough to > recoginize when someone was making irrational > claims.
GOOD POINT, blackman. Tell us EXACTLY which IRRATIONAL claims I’m making. Ask Fritz and Samson, if my accusations are IRRATIONAL. You CAN’T, they’re DEAD, BECAUSE of their "training," the kind YOU LIKE. > Your questions, however, have proven that some > people need to have things actually explained to > them.
You’re DOUBLE TALKING us again. You’re a master of deception, but you’re wearing thin, and you have NOTHING to back up your argument. > You think an adult would recognize an advertisement > but you think a "that’s not true" follow-up is > necessary to each of the literally thousands of posts > he makes about others?
I’ve got QUOTES, blackman. YOU’VE GOT NOTHING BUT HOT AIR. > Anyone who wasted the bandwidth to do that would > join Jerry in the killfiles along with the people who > follow him aroundcomplaining about his website.
No. They say NOTHING, because they’ve ALREADY been PROVEN LIARS. That’s why they won’t defend themselves. Ask lyindoc dermer why he’s killfiled Marilyn??? That’s because SHE KNOWS what’s up. Same with Canis55. > Who needs it?
Who needs HURTING DOGS? You and your pals, that’s who. That’s because HURTING DOGS is all they know. > If he’s really such a bad person, I’d think "you all" > would have a better jerry-faq laying around > somewhere than that thing with some naked guy > Mine is http://www.dog-play.com/jerry.html
Whoopie. If anyone looked at your history, they’d SEE that you are double talking us again… People aren’t STUPID, blackman. > And MOST readers of this ng, I’d bet, are people > such as me.. Not ones who’ve been following the > arguments for however long they’ve been going > on… And why do I ask? I’ve gotten "you’ve not > been here long, have you?" type replies to a couple > of my posts here concerning him… Pretty much like > an insult concerning me being a ‘greenhorn" or… a > bait-n-switch tactic of the other side.. Otherwise, > I’d think someone would be proud to provide > such info on their website, weekly faq, or > whatever…. > But that’s just the perceptions of an outsider.. > Some people gather facts and form their own > opinions based on evidence they can see for > themselves.
They tend to believe twenty expert liars, when they all change their stories in sync, without missing a lie. You’re one of the ringleaders. And you STILL haven’t SAID ANYTHING. CRITICIZE MY INFORMATION. YOU CAN’T. > Other people simply accept what they are > told.
THAT’S WHY I’M HERE. > The former people don’t need a FAQ, for the latter it > is pretty much useless.
YOU’VE SAID NOTHING. AGAIN. > My reference to my jerry FAQ appears on about a 1/3 > of my posts using a random signature generator.
FANCY THAT??? Is that HOWE you determine what kind of PAIN you’re gonna INFLICT on a particular type of dog? > It obviously escaped your attention as would any > other regular posting except something that would > become as tiresome as the man himself.
I doubt that’s "escaped" her attention. I think that may have RAISED her SUSPICIONS about the skullduggery going on here. > Diane Blackman > http://www.dog-play.com/ http://www.dog-play.com/TOTE.html > "Reinforcement is always relative to the dog’s > instincts, his personality, his physical condition, and > the environment." "Smart Trainers — Brilliant > Dogs" by Janet Lewis
Is that so? Reinforcement is RELATIVE to the individual dog? NO, we don’t bend the technique to the dog, we bend the dog to a FITTING technique. That’s called TRAINING. You’ve done a MISERABLE job of defending your dog abusing, cowardly pals, and yourself. You’re history, blackman. You, lyingdogDUMMY, lyingfrosty dahl, cindymooreon, lyinglynn, boss, richardson, the whole damn bunch of you. Care to take the quiz?
"Nope. That "beating dogs with sticks" things is something you twisted out of context, because you are full of bizarro manure." QUOTE from lyingfrosty dahl: "Get a stick 30- or 40-inches long. You can have a helper wield the stick, or do it yourself. Tougher, less tractable dogs may require you to progress to striking them more sharply. REPEAT, VARYING HOW HARD YOU HIT THE DOG" moore lyingfrosty dahl: "I would never advise anyone to slap a dog I do not believe there is a single circumstance, ever, where slapping a dog is anything but destructive." RIGHT. She PINCHES, not twists… and chin cuff doesn’t mean hit, according to lyinglynn and avrama… says our "EXPERT," lyingfrosty dahl. She twists and pinches ears and toes, shocks, beats dogs with sticks, and chin cuffs and scruff shakes them. And she LIES about it. She denies her own written words… amy lyingfrosty dahl continues: Make the dog’s need to stop the pinching so urgent that resisting your will fades in importance. but will squeal, thrash around, and direct their efforts to escaping the ear pinch even get a studded collar and pinch the ear against that if the dog still does not open its mouth, get out the shotshell. Try pinching the ear between the metal casing and the collar, even the buckle on the collar. Persist! Eventually, the dog will give in" With your hand on the collar and ear, say, ‘fetch.’ Immediately tap the dog on the hindquarters with the stick. Repeat "fetch" and pinch the ear all the way to the dummy. You can press the dog’s ear with a shotshell instead of your thumb; Say "fetch" while pressing the dummy against its lips and pinching its ear. Gotta LOVE koehler. dahl makes koheler look like St. Francis. Try the quiz??? Tell us HOWE the dog knows he shouldn’t be barking? That is, until the beatings take effect, after ENOUGH lessons of "hard spankings of long duration??? It’s IN THE BOOK. Tell us HOWE COME you think dogs might want to take a big chunk out of an abusive Thug who beats him every twenty minutes for crappin on the floor in a room you’ve restricted him to for this purpose, and then tied him next to a forced accident? And when koehler OCCASIONALLY finds a dog who objects to his training, why does he HANG the dog, instead of calming them down and teaching them there’s nothing to be afraid of??? Koehler On Correcting The Housebreaking Backslider. "If the punishment is not severe enough, some of these "backsliders" will think they’re winning and will continue to mess in the house. An indelible impression can sometimes be made by giving the dog a hard spanking of long duration, then leaving him tied by the mess he’s made so you can come back at twenty minute intervals and punish him again for the same thing. (Dogs are REALLY stupid. J.H.) HOWE does koehler KNOW the dog don’t think he’s coming back to beat him every twenty minutes for the same mistake, just because you’re mad at him, instead of just TRAINING him??? See what I mean? You can’t justify that. "Read koehler for content" marquis de shaw, IDIOT, Sadist, rpdb regular. "I LOVE KOHELER" lyinglynn, IDIOT, pathological liar, noted dog abuser. Koehler On Correcting The Barking Dog Thunder through the door or gate, snatch up the belt that you’ve conveniently placed, and descend on him. He’ll have no chance to dodge if you grab the line and reel him in until his front feet are raised off the floor or, if he’s a big dog, until you’ve snubbed him up with a hitch on something (ceiling hook, rafters, tree limb, door, or even over your shoulder, if you know HOWE. j.h.) While he’s held in close, lay the strap vigorously against his thighs. Keep pouring it on him until he thinks it’s the bitter end. A real whaling now … read more »
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Hello blackman, > Is what Jerry says about this and the other trainers > here not true?
Every word of it. > I don’t know who he is talking about in this instance > but most of what he claims is a flat out lie.
Seems to me you’ve been one of the ringleaders around here, when it comes to deception. You and lyingdoc dermer. The only reason you haven’t earned your lying title is because you’re very clever, and you never say anything MEANINGFUL. > His initial claims about me were exagerations,
Everything can be found in your own words, blackman. You deny what you do, that’s lying, but you’re only lying to protect yourself from embarassment, so I don’t award the lying title just for that. > and opinion but they have since evolved to blatant > lies.
You knit little cover-ups for pronged choke collars. You condone shocking, jerking, choking, chin cuffing, shoving fingers down puppy’s throats to choke them out of mouthing, kneeing dogs in the chest, throwing them down by their ears and climbing all over them like a raped ape, and shoving dog’s heads under water you’ve filled into a hole he’s dug. And that’s just off of your pal cindymooreon’s FAQ’s page at k9web. Do you think that’s APPROPRIATE to be teaching people??? The other links on your website are even worse. Your own dog has pulled relentlessly for five years, despite jerking and choking and shocking him. You day board your own dogs because they are NOT trustworthy at home alone, and you claim you don’t know enough about training to discern the good information on your site from the dangerous. When people ask about coprophagia, you give them the crummy links to sites that will tell them to cut poo in half and spice it with hot sauce and MSG… Your pal lyingdogDUMMY say’s he’d NEED to HURT the dog MOORE than we’d LIKE, to break coprophagia. Paul B and Marty b cured their poo and fence and hole digging in a few minutes of effort over a couple of days WITHOUT HURTING NOBODY. WHY WOULD YOU WANT PEOPLE TO HURT THEIR DOGS, when it CLEARLY ISN’T NECESSARY OR APPROPRIATE??? No harm done, if you don’t consider the hundreds of dogs JUST LIKE Fritz and Samson. VICTIMS of their "TRAINING." The training YOU recommend. You’re MOORE responsible than their owner’s who themselves were VICTIMIZED by your stinking approach to behavior. > Not that I do or don’t believe him (because of his > personality, to want to disbelieve him, actually), > but.. just a’wondering…
Curiousity killed the kat. > You "want" to disbelieve him? Most of the people > who he slanders post regularly.
And I’ve got QUOTES from them telling us to HURT dogs, and LYING about what they do. I’d like to see you discuss the koehler methods I’ll post below. And, I’d like to see you discusss the lyingfrosty dahl methods below too, while your at it. BWAAAAHAHAHHAAA! YOU? DISCUSS TRAINING? No. What YOU do, is sling the BS TO DEFEND HURTING DOGS. > Have you seen anything in their posts to support his > claims?
QUOTES, blackman. IN THEIR OWN WORDS. I’ll post some below for your edification. > Has he provided any evidence?
Yeah. That’s what’s in all them lengthy posts you complain about. That’s why the killfile campaign. You can’t get away pulling this kind of crap forever… That’s why I’m here. NOBODY ELSE could nail you s.o.b.’s down like I have, and now I’m gonna put the screws to you all. WATCH ME. > Here is a real difficult one –
That’s what I like, the tough ones. They "may require me to strike them moore sharply…" to quote lyingfrosty dahl… > how aboutasking the other person?
QUOTES, blackman. QUOTES. > The point is you have absolutely no basis to believe > him.
PSST! TWENTY DOG ABUSING LIARS, ARE STILL TWENTY DOG ABUSING LIARS, NO MATTER HOWE THEY DENY IT. THAT’S HOWE COME THEY’RE LIARS… Isn’t it??? > Instead of "That’s not true" follow-ups, I’ve seen > nothing but attacks on the placement of his > dog-collar ad… > Most of us have him killfiled.
Yeah? BWAAAHAHAHAHAAAA!!! You read my posts FIRST. > Why bother arguing with someone who is > lacking rationality?
You mean because I’m not willing to settle for HURTING MY DOGS MOORE THAN I’D LIKE, when it doesn’t require PAIN? Ask Paul B, or Marty B, or Marilyn, or Canis55, Master_222, DougDogmanager, Colette, Ray The Vet Tech, Parker, Aspiring Trainer, Robert Crim, lots of good folks, most of whom won’t post here because of you and your pals. They burn out defending NOT hurting dogs. They think rpdb is a LOST CAUSE. That’s why you got me now… > What a waste of time and energy.
You mean just go ahead and continue HURTING dogs as you and your pals have always done, and keep KILLING dogs you can’t BULLY into subordination with PAIN and intimidation??? The ride’s over. Keep your hands and feet inside the car until it comes to a complete stop. Go to the back of the Conga line and BOOGALOO ON OUTTA HERE. WE DON’T NEED DOG ABUSING COWARDS TEACHING PEOPLE TO HURT DOGS. > We also have the people who follow-up on his posts > killfiled. More waste of energy.
The "people" who "follow up" on my posts are anonymous, dog abusing, lying cowards, and then we got ed, a crazy, begging, lying, dog abusing, coward. But HE PROFITS when folks KILL their dogs, ESPECIALLY if they’ve jerked and choked and hung their dog for months before KILLING them TO BE FAIR. > A person who would require a "that’s not true" post > in order to doubt the truth of the statements is > probably going to have difficulty understanding the > difference between claims and evidence.
JUST THE FACTS, blackman. > They also will likely have difficulty understanding > things such as context.
Yeah. "Read koehler for content," marquis de shaw. "I LOVE KOEHLER," lyinglynn. > In order to explain it more posts would have to be > written.
Like the one your writing now? Why don’t you give some FACTS, or some quotes??? YOU GOT NUTHIN BUT HOT AIR. > This group is NOT rec.pets.dogs.jerry
It does seem that way, you know. Maybe if our dog abusers were to GO AWAY, there wouldn’t be anything for me to criticize, and then maybe some folks would LEARN HOWE to properly handle and train dogs? The problem is, you and your pals WANT to HURT dogs, because you don’t have the intelligence to outwit a puppy dog, and it makes you feel POWERFUL… It’s an ego thing, coupled with a weak mind and inferiority complex. That’s why all the "dominance" talk. Look HOWE many times "alpha" and "dominance" are just on cindymooreon’s web page! > Those of us who wish to enjoy the group have better > things to do than teach people critical thinking skills.
Tall – Hide quoted text — Show quoted text -> And what about his training info? Does that really work? > Virtually any training method applied consistently will work for some > dogs and some people. If it appeals to you, try it. > I don’t much > care about any "bait-n-switch practices" claims or whatever.. I’m smart > enough to recognize an ad when I see it, as are most adults, so I really > don’t see where the "beef" is with that one. > I thought most people were smart enough to recoginize when someone was > making irrational claims. Your questions, however, have proven that some > people need to have things actually explained to them. You think an > adult would recognize an advertisement but you think a "that’s not > true" follow-up is necessary to each of the literally thousands of posts > he makes about others? Anyone who wasted the bandwidth to do that would > join Jerry in the killfiles along with the people who follow him around > complaining about his website. Who needs it? > If he’s really such a bad person, I’d think "you all" would have a better > jerry-faq laying around somewhere than that thing with some naked guy > Mine is http://www.dog-play.com/jerry.html > And MOST readers of this ng, I’d bet, are people such as me.. Not ones > who’ve been following the arguments for however long they’ve been going > on… And why do I ask? I’ve gotten "you’ve not been here long, have you?" > type replies to a couple of my posts here concerning him… Pretty much like > an insult concerning me being a ‘greenhorn" or… a bait-n-switch tactic of > the other side.. Otherwise, I’d think someone would be proud to provide > such info on their website, weekly faq, or whatever…. > But that’s just the perceptions of an outsider.. > Some people gather facts and form their own opinions based on evidence > they can see for themselves. Other people simply accept what they are > told. The former people don’t need a FAQ, for the latter it is pretty > much useless. My reference to my jerry FAQ appears on about a 1/3 of my > posts using a random signature generator. It obviously escaped your > attention as would any other regular posting except something that would > become as tiresome as the man himself. > Diane Blackman > http://www.dog-play.com/ http://www.dog-play.com/TOTE.html > "Reinforcement is always relative to the dog’s instincts, his personality, > his physical condition, and the environment." "Smart Trainers — Brilliant > Dogs" by Janet Lewis
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>And what about his training info? Does that really work?
Dear BD, Have your read this: http://home.earthlink.net/~tdwillis/Harlan/concerns.html ? –Marshall I have read rpdb for about four years. Consequently, I urge newbies to attend to the civil and rational posts of the rpdb regulars from whom I have learned much. They include: Ann (,Twzl, Sligo & Roy), Amy Dahl, Diane Blackman, jdoee, Janet Boss, Susan Fraser, Avrama Gingold, Nancy Holmes, Lynn Kosmakos, Bob Maida, MaryBeth, Ruth Mays, Cindy Tittle Moore, Robin Nuttall, Denna Pace, John Richardson, Sarah Sionnach, Ludwig Smith, Jane Webb, and Terri Willis. Marshall Lev Dermer/ Department of Psychology/ University of http://www.uwm.edu/~dermer "If I am not for myself, who will be for me. But if I am only for myself, what am I?" The Talmud
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> Dianne, and all. I use a message rule to delete posts from you-know-who, > and another rule to delete posts with you-know-who in the subject. I find > posts which argue with YNH are just as tiresome as the original. > Cheers, Clarence
Hello clarence, I’m sorry you feel put upon, facing the facts, as unpleasant as they are. As long as we have imbiciles like yourself, who can’t understand that HURTING dogs to train them is not RIGHT, we’ll continue to have bums like our Gang Of Thugs, teaching people to HURT dogs to subordinate them and KILL dogs they can’t intimidate enough to DOMINATE. THIS IS A MENTAL CONDITION caused by the fragile ego’s and weak minds of insecure, fearful, fools. Here’s some "GOOD koehler TRAINING" (according to lyingdogDUMMY) and some lyingfrosty dahl for ya. Take the quiz?
"Nope. That "beating dogs with sticks" things is something you twisted out of context, because you are full of bizarro manure." QUOTE from lyingfrosty dahl: "Get a stick 30- or 40-inches long. You can have a helper wield the stick, or do it yourself. Tougher, less tractable dogs may require you to progress to striking them more sharply. REPEAT, VARYING HOW HARD YOU HIT THE DOG" moore lyingfrosty dahl: "I would never advise anyone to slap a dog I do not believe there is a single circumstance, ever, where slapping a dog is anything but destructive." RIGHT. She PINCHES, not twists… and chin cuff doesn’t mean hit, according to lyinglynn and avrama… says our "EXPERT," lyingfrosty dahl. She twists and pinches ears and toes, shocks, beats dogs with sticks, and chin cuffs and scruff shakes them. And she LIES about it. She denies her own written words… amy lyingfrosty dahl continues: Make the dog’s need to stop the pinching so urgent that resisting your will fades in importance. but will squeal, thrash around, and direct their efforts to escaping the ear pinch even get a studded collar and pinch the ear against that if the dog still does not open its mouth, get out the shotshell. Try pinching the ear between the metal casing and the collar, even the buckle on the collar. Persist! Eventually, the dog will give in" With your hand on the collar and ear, say, ‘fetch.’ Immediately tap the dog on the hindquarters with the stick. Repeat "fetch" and pinch the ear all the way to the dummy. You can press the dog’s ear with a shotshell instead of your thumb; Say "fetch" while pressing the dummy against its lips and pinching its ear. Gotta LOVE koehler. dahl makes koheler look like St. Francis. Try the quiz??? Tell us HOWE the dog knows he shouldn’t be barking? That is, until the beatings take effect, after ENOUGH lessons of "hard spankings of long duration??? It’s IN THE BOOK. Tell us HOWE COME you think dogs might want to take a big chunk out of an abusive Thug who beats him every twenty minutes for crappin on the floor in a room you’ve restricted him to for this purpose, and then tied him next to a forced accident? And when koehler OCCASIONALLY finds a dog who objects to his training, why does he HANG the dog, instead of calming them down and teaching them there’s nothing to be afraid of??? Koehler On Correcting The Housebreaking Backslider. "If the punishment is not severe enough, some of these "backsliders" will think they’re winning and will continue to mess in the house. An indelible impression can sometimes be made by giving the dog a hard spanking of long duration, then leaving him tied by the mess he’s made so you can come back at twenty minute intervals and punish him again for the same thing. (Dogs are REALLY stupid. J.H.) HOWE does koehler KNOW the dog don’t think he’s coming back to beat him every twenty minutes for the same mistake, just because you’re mad at him, instead of just TRAINING him??? See what I mean? You can’t justify that. "Read koehler for content" marquis de shaw, IDIOT, Sadist, rpdb regular. "I LOVE KOHELER" lyinglynn, IDIOT, pathological liar, noted dog abuser. Koehler On Correcting The Barking Dog Thunder through the door or gate, snatch up the belt that you’ve conveniently placed, and descend on him. He’ll have no chance to dodge if you grab the line and reel him in until his front feet are raised off the floor or, if he’s a big dog, until you’ve snubbed him up with a hitch on something (ceiling hook, rafters, tree limb, door, or even over your shoulder, if you know HOWE. j.h.) While he’s held in close, lay the strap vigorously against his thighs. Keep pouring it on him until he thinks it’s the bitter end. A real whaling now may cut down somewhat on the number of repeat performances that will be necessary. When you’re finished and the dog is convinced that he is, put him on a long down to think things over while you catch your breath. After fifteen or twenty minutes, release him from the stay and leave the area again." Tell us HOWE the dog knows he shouldn’t be barking? That is, until the beatings take effect, after ENOUGH lessons of "hard spankings of long duration??? It’s IN THE BOOK. Tell us HOWE COME you think dogs might want to take a big chunk out of an abusive Thug who beats him every twenty minutes for crappin on the floor in a room you’ve restricted him to for this purpose, and then tied him next to a forced accident? And when koehler OCCASIONALLY finds a dog who objects to his training, why does he HANG the dog, instead of calming them down and teaching them there’s nothing to be afraid of??? That’s the ONLY question ANYONE of you CAN answer. The answer is OBVIOUS. koehler trainers are DOG ABUSING COWARDS. Your pal, Jerry "The Phony," Howe.
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Hello psycholcown, > Is what Jerry says about this and the other trainers > here not true? > Nope. Not true.
Right. You’ve got a pretty good record of lying and telling people to HURT their dogs. > Not that I do or don’t believe him (because of his > personality, to want to disbelieve him, actually), > but.. just a’wondering… Instead of "That’s not true" > follow-ups, I’ve seen nothing but > attacks on the placement of his dog-collar ad… > Most people have jer killfiled,
Sorry psychoclown, but most people read my posts FIRST. > so of course there aren’t any "that’s not true" follow > ups…
WANNA BET? I’ve got plenty of denials of your pals own written words, as well as yours. > although there were several two years ago, when > he first showed up here.
Yeah. I’ve got a few of the quotes below… You bums wore out LYING. > And what about his training info? Does that > really work? > Which parts?
ALL of it. Yeah, it works. Ask Marilyn. Ask Canis55, ask Paul B, ask Marty. Ask Robert Crim? Ask Fritz. Ask Samson. You can’t. They’re DEAD, because you bums like to confront, punish, and HURT dogs. > I don’t much care about any "bait-n-switch > practices" claims or whatever.. I’m smart enough > to recognize an ad when I see it, as are > most adults, so I really don’t see where the "beef" > is with that one..
There ISN’T any complaints. The manual is not a come on, nor is it a sales pitch. It doesn’t even MENTION Doggy Do Right (and Kitty Will Too), and I don’t mention it either, to folks looking for help with training. They know about my Doggy Do Right (and Kitty Will Too), I don’t need to push it on them. > Mostly because it’s rather dishonest.
You’re the one who’s DISHONEST. In fact, your a liar. > If he’s really such a bad person, I’d think "you all" > would have a better jerry-faq laying around > somewhere than that thing with some > You mean like http://home.earthlink.net/~tdwillis/Harlan/concerns.html ?
Yeah, like THAT. NOT ONE VALID ARGUMENT. > Also, I’m not sure Jer is a "bad person" so much as > he is a "crazy person".
You’d think I’d have to be crazy for coming in here and identify, expose, discredit, and embarass, the whol damn Gang Of Thugs in one fell swoop. And it’s going to get worse, before it gets better, I’m afraid. Dying ain’t pretty. > I suspect that he doesn’t have a lot of control over > the things he does.
I’m killing you bums. > And MOST readers of this ng, I’d bet, are people > such as me.. Not ones who’ve been following the > arguments for however long they’ve been > going on…
That’s why the lengthy posts our friends complain about. They complain that I’m burdening folks who’ve got to pay for downloading. That was their first attempt to cover up my information. Didn’t work any better than their multitudinous killfile campaigns. > And why do I ask? I’ve gotten "you’ve not been here > long, have you?"
You won’t be getting any straight answers from them. > type replies to a couple of my posts here > concerning him… Pretty much like an insult > concerning me being a ‘greenhorn" or… > Perhaps the person was just making a joke.
They’re always making jokes when they get embarassed. > At any rate, keep in mind no one is _required_ to > respond to your questions in any particular way.
Keep in mind, that our Gang Of Thugs is freaking out all over the place, and they have NO criticism of the FACTS AS I STATE THEM. > Most of the regulars here are just tired of the subject, > and won’t spend any more time on it.
THAT SO? You mean they won’t answer any direct questions with direct, honest, answers. Try to talk dog training with them, and all of a sudden they’re bitching about Doggy Do Right (and Kitty Will Too), and complaing that I’m RUDE to dog chokers and ear twisters… > a bait-n- switch tactic of the other side.. > No, that would not qualify as bait and switch.
If you say so… > Otherwise, I’d think someone would be proud to > provide such info on their website, weekly faq, or > whatever…. > See above.
There’s NOTHING there. NOT ONE VALID COMPLAINT. > But that’s just the perceptions of an outsider.. > Please understand that if you are new here, you will > have missed all of the discussions that were had > when jer first showed up two years ago.
Just defend my accusations below. YOU CAN’T. > Most of us have him killfiled (even me, even though I > once said I never would).
Sure. You’re a NOBODY. You’ve NEVER trained or owned a dog before you got Harlan and started jerking and choking him on a pronged choke collar and arguing to defend shocking and beating dogs with sticks and shocking them. > I’m not sure how far Deja’s archives go back now > adays, so there may be no way for you to see what > went on.
Forget about it. There’s too many posts. Just ask some of the competent trainers who no longer post here. Our Gang Of Thugs has treated EVERY competent dog trainer who’s ever come in here EXACTLY the same way as they treat me. Look up the first posts of Canis55, Master_222, DougDogmanager, Marilyn, Colette, Ray The Vet Tech, Parker, Aspiring Trainer… That’s why you got me now… I’m just a little MOORE experienced and used to dealing with these bums. That’s WHY I came in here. I can’t let these koehler trainers KILL any moore dogs than they already have. > –Terri & Harlan
Care to take the quiz?
"Nope. That "beating dogs with sticks" things is something you twisted out of context, because you are full of bizarro manure." QUOTE from lyingfrosty dahl: "Get a stick 30- or 40-inches long. You can have a helper wield the stick, or do it yourself. Tougher, less tractable dogs may require you to progress to striking them more sharply. REPEAT, VARYING HOW HARD YOU HIT THE DOG" moore lyingfrosty dahl: "I would never advise anyone to slap a dog I do not believe there is a single circumstance, ever, where slapping a dog is anything but destructive." RIGHT. She PINCHES, not twists… and chin cuff doesn’t mean hit, according to lyinglynn and avrama… says our "EXPERT," lyingfrosty dahl. She twists and pinches ears and toes, shocks, beats dogs with sticks, and chin cuffs and scruff shakes them. And she LIES about it. She denies her own written words… amy lyingfrosty dahl continues: Make the dog’s need to stop the pinching so urgent that resisting your will fades in importance. but will squeal, thrash around, and direct their efforts to escaping the ear pinch even get a studded collar and pinch the ear against that if the dog still does not open its mouth, get out the shotshell. Try pinching the ear between the metal casing and the collar, even the buckle on the collar. Persist! Eventually, the dog will give in" With your hand on the collar and ear, say, ‘fetch.’ Immediately tap the dog on the hindquarters with the stick. Repeat "fetch" and pinch the ear all the way to the dummy. You can press the dog’s ear with a shotshell instead of your thumb; Say "fetch" while pressing the dummy against its lips and pinching its ear. Gotta LOVE koehler. dahl makes koheler look like St. Francis. Try the quiz??? Tell us HOWE the dog knows he shouldn’t be barking? That is, until the beatings take effect, after ENOUGH lessons of "hard spankings of long duration??? It’s IN THE BOOK. Tell us HOWE COME you think dogs might want to take a big chunk out of an abusive Thug who beats him every twenty minutes for crappin on the floor in a room you’ve restricted him to for this purpose, and then tied him next to a forced accident? And when koehler OCCASIONALLY finds a dog who objects to his training, why does he HANG the dog, instead of calming them down and teaching them there’s nothing to be afraid of??? Koehler On Correcting The Housebreaking Backslider. "If the punishment is not severe enough, some of these "backsliders" will think they’re winning and will continue to mess in the house. An indelible impression can sometimes be made by giving the dog a hard spanking of long duration, then leaving him tied by the mess he’s made so you can come back at twenty minute intervals and punish him again for the same thing. (Dogs are REALLY stupid. J.H.) HOWE does koehler KNOW the dog don’t think he’s coming back to beat him every twenty minutes for the same mistake, just because you’re mad at him, instead of just TRAINING him??? See what I mean? You can’t justify that. "Read koehler for content" marquis de shaw, IDIOT, Sadist, rpdb regular. "I LOVE KOHELER" lyinglynn, IDIOT, pathological liar, noted dog abuser. Koehler On Correcting The Barking Dog Thunder through the door or gate, snatch up the belt that you’ve conveniently placed, and descend on him. He’ll have no chance to dodge if you grab the line and reel him in until his front feet are raised off the floor or, if he’s a big dog, until you’ve snubbed him up with a hitch on something (ceiling hook, rafters, tree limb, door, or even over your shoulder, if you know HOWE. j.h.) While he’s held in close, lay the strap vigorously against his thighs. Keep pouring it on him until he thinks it’s the bitter end. A real whaling now may cut down somewhat on the number of repeat performances that will be necessary. When you’re finished and the dog is convinced that he is, put him on a long down to think things over while you catch your breath. After fifteen or twenty minutes, release him from the stay and leave the area again." Tell us HOWE the dog knows he shouldn’t be barking? That is, until the beatings take effect, after ENOUGH lessons of "hard spankings of long duration??? It’s IN THE BOOK. Tell us HOWE COME you think dogs might want to take … read more »
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Hello lyingdogDUMMY,
> Is what Jerry says about this and the other trainers > here not true? > Why don’t you just buy one of the damn things and > find out form yourself?
We’re not talking about anything you BUY. We’re talking about YOU HANGING dogs because they SCARE you when you make them mad by jerking and choking and chin cuffing and kneeing them in the chest and twisting and pinching their ears, toes, and testicles, and shocking them and beating them with sticks to motivate them… You shove your fingers down puppy’s throats for mouthing in the litterbox. Then you need to HURT them to make them pick something up. Does that make sense even to an anonymous, lying, dog abusing coward, like you? > Download his silly manual, too, and give it a try.
Ask Paul B or Marty. Did you ever get that carp hook outta you mouth??? BWAAAHAHAHAHAHAAA!!! > Some folks just need to find things out for > themselves.
You said you’d NEED to HURT the dog MOORE than we’d LIKE, to break coprophagia, hole digging, and fence jumping. Marty and Paul cured their dogs of eatin poo and jumping or escaping the fence and digging holes in a few minutes over a couple of days, WITHOUT HURTING NOBODY. You said their dogs aren’t broken of those habits, but they’re just not doing them, that they can SEE. BWAAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAA!!! You’re violent IDIOT. > But stop all the freakin’ whining, eh?
Sounds like YOU’RE the one who’s WHINING. BWAAAAHAHAHAHAHAAAA!!! > If he’s really such a bad person, I’d think "you all" > would have a better jerry-faq laying around > somewhere than that thing with some naked guy > That’s really the only "jerry-faq" you need.
Talk dog training, lyingdogDUMMY. Tell us HOWE you’d HURT my dog MOORE than I’d like, to train him. I’d skin you alive and throw your filthy butt to the gator. > Be thankful for it.
You and your dog choking pals are HISTORY. > And MOST readers of this ng, I’d bet, are people > such as me..
That’s why the killfile campaigne. They’re hoping everyone else in the world is a stumblebum like themselves, and they’ll believe twenty liars and not find out the truth. Well, that ain’t HOWE it works. > I think you just might be a troll.
I KNOW you’re an anonymous, lying, dog abusing, coward… BWAAAAHAHAHAHAAAA!!! And everyone else knows it too. That’s what makes it worthwhile for me. The REALITY is still there, no matter HOWE much your lying, chump, chums are lying with you. >But that’s just the perceptions of an outsider..
Most good folks see what’s going on, take my manual, and train their dogs and never come back here. Too bad, because this could be a good dog training forum. WE’VE LOST about a dozen COMPETENT trainers, because our Gang Of Thugs will do anything to protect their alleged right to HURT dogs. IN SELF DEFENCE, of course, from the HOODLUM dogs out there, the products of BAD BREEDING. I don’t suppose the jerking and choking and intimidation and PAIN has anything to do with it, eh lyingdogDUMMY??? > Then buy one of his DDRs, download his manual, but > do it quietly, okay?
You don’t have to BUY anything to get the FREE Wits’ End Dog Training Method manual and all the FREE additional help if you need any. That’s what bugs you bums EVEN MOORE. FREE makes it sound suspicious. Just like 100% money back GUARANTEED forever. And the shelter and rescue discount is a sure sign of fraud. > You’re shit’s getting old, BD.
Your finished, lyingdogDUMMY. > O-L-D.
Tell us HOWE you’d hurt someone else’s dogs MOORE than they’d like to stop them from eatin poo? Seems like a little dog poo turned into Llama Spit, eh lyingdogDUMMY??? > Dogman > http://www.i1.net/~dogman
Care to talk about tom soronsen? Your pal, Jerry "The Phony," Howe.
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Hello BD, If it walks like a duck… j;~}
– Hide quoted text — Show quoted text -> Is what Jerry says about this and the other trainers here not true? > Not that I do or don’t believe him (because of his personality, to want to > disbelieve him, actually), but.. just a’wondering… Instead of "That’s > not true" follow-ups, I’ve seen nothing but attacks on the placement of his > dog-collar ad… > And what about his training info? Does that really work? I don’t much > care about any "bait-n-switch practices" claims or whatever.. I’m smart > enough to recognize an ad when I see it, as are most adults, so I really > don’t see where the "beef" is with that one.. > If he’s really such a bad person, I’d think "you all" would have a better > jerry-faq laying around somewhere than that thing with some naked guy > And MOST readers of this ng, I’d bet, are people such as me.. Not ones > who’ve been following the arguments for however long they’ve been going > on… And why do I ask? I’ve gotten "you’ve not been here long, have you?" > type replies to a couple of my posts here concerning him… Pretty much like > an insult concerning me being a ‘greenhorn" or… a bait-n-switch tactic of > the other side.. Otherwise, I’d think someone would be proud to provide > such info on their website, weekly faq, or whatever…. > But that’s just the perceptions of an outsider.. > Your problem is, that YOU like to jerk and choke your dogs. You are a > koehler trainer, and that means you’re a dog abusing coward. koehler > trainers choke and intimidate dogs, and when the dog growls about his > "training," they HANG the dog, beause they’re AFRAID. Then, if hanging > don’t > work, they KILL the dog, and blame it on BAD BREEDING. Hell, a good dog > should be willing to sumit to being abused.
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You said you use a pronged choke collar…
– Hide quoted text — Show quoted text ->And MOST readers of this ng, I’d bet, are people such as me.. >Not ones who’ve been following the arguments for however long >they’ve been going on… > Most of the people here that Jerry accuses of abuse have him > killfiled. > In my case, he has stated that I walk Rocky with a "choke prong" > collar (I don’t own any collar other than flat buckle ones). He > claims that I use abusive training methods when I have posted > that I use motivators such as play, praise, and food. He has > stated that I caused Rocky’s epilepsy by abusing him. > — > –Matt. Rocky’s a Dog.
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> Is what Jerry says about this and the other trainers here not true?
I don’t know who he is talking about in this instance but most of what he claims is a flat out lie. His initial claims about me were exagerations, and opinion but they have since evolved to blatant lies. > Not that I do or don’t believe him (because of his personality, to want to > disbelieve him, actually), but.. just a’wondering…
You "want" to disbelieve him? Most of the people who he slanders post regularly. Have you seen anything in their posts to support his claims? Has he provided any evidence? Here is a real difficult one – how about asking the other person? The point is you have absolutely no basis to believe him. > Instead of "That’s > not true" follow-ups, I’ve seen nothing but attacks on the placement of his > dog-collar ad…
Most of us have him killfiled. Why bother arguing with someone who is lacking rationality? What a waste of time and energy. We also have the people who follow-up on his posts killfiled. More waste of energy. A person who would require a "that’s not true" post in order to doubt the truth of the statements is probably going to have difficulty understanding the difference between claims and evidence. They also will likely have difficulty understanding things such as context. In order to explain it more posts would have to be written. This group is NOT rec.pets.dogs.jerry Those of us who wish to enjoy the group have better things to do than teach people critical thinking skills. > And what about his training info? Does that really work?
Virtually any training method applied consistently will work for some dogs and some people. If it appeals to you, try it. > I don’t much > care about any "bait-n-switch practices" claims or whatever.. I’m smart > enough to recognize an ad when I see it, as are most adults, so I really > don’t see where the "beef" is with that one.
I thought most people were smart enough to recoginize when someone was making irrational claims. Your questions, however, have proven that some people need to have things actually explained to them. You think an adult would recognize an advertisement but you think a "that’s not true" follow-up is necessary to each of the literally thousands of posts he makes about others? Anyone who wasted the bandwidth to do that would join Jerry in the killfiles along with the people who follow him around complaining about his website. Who needs it? > If he’s really such a bad person, I’d think "you all" would have a better > jerry-faq laying around somewhere than that thing with some naked guy
Mine is http://www.dog-play.com/jerry.html > And MOST readers of this ng, I’d bet, are people such as me.. Not ones > who’ve been following the arguments for however long they’ve been going > on… And why do I ask? I’ve gotten "you’ve not been here long, have you?" > type replies to a couple of my posts here concerning him… Pretty much like > an insult concerning me being a ‘greenhorn" or… a bait-n-switch tactic of > the other side.. Otherwise, I’d think someone would be proud to provide > such info on their website, weekly faq, or whatever…. > But that’s just the perceptions of an outsider..
Some people gather facts and form their own opinions based on evidence they can see for themselves. Other people simply accept what they are told. The former people don’t need a FAQ, for the latter it is pretty much useless. My reference to my jerry FAQ appears on about a 1/3 of my posts using a random signature generator. It obviously escaped your attention as would any other regular posting except something that would become as tiresome as the man himself. Diane Blackman http://www.dog-play.com/ http://www.dog-play.com/TOTE.html "Reinforcement is always relative to the dog’s instincts, his personality, his physical condition, and the environment." "Smart Trainers — Brilliant Dogs" by Janet Lewis
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Dianne, and all. I use a message rule to delete posts from you-know-who, and another rule to delete posts with you-know-who in the subject. I find posts which argue with YNH are just as tiresome as the original. Cheers, Clarence
– Hide quoted text — Show quoted text -> Most, though not all, newsreaders enable you to automatically mark > certain posts or threads as read. This is usually referred to as a > killfile or a filter. Instructions on how to create a killfile for > some of the more common newsreaders are below. If yours isn’t listed, > try looking in your browser under "help." > Disclaimer: These instructions have been compiled from a variety > of sources. I only use rn myself so if the instructions below can’t > help you, I can’t either. Conversely, if you have any additions or > corrections to this list, please feel free to email me at > reposted. > Many, many thanks to everyone who’s contributed!–Dianne Schoenberg > AGENT > Pull down the ‘Window’ on the Menu. Go to Usenet Filters and click on > that. > The first icon on the toolbox should be to ‘Add Kill Filter’. Click > on that. > The edit window will come up. In the area ‘Filter Expression’, write > ’Jerry Howe’. And then under ‘Kill Action’, mark whatever little > button you want. > AOL 5.0 (note: versions prior to 5.0 lack killfiles) > From the newsgroups window, choose preferences and a window will open > that says, "Global newsgroup preferences." Click on the filtering > tab (there should be filtering, viewing, and posting tabs). Select > filter type from the pulldown menu. Enter the filter in the text field > below the pulldown menu. Then click on the "add filter" button below > the text field. Then click "save" at the bottom of the page, and > you’re done. > FREE AGENT > Regrettably, Free Agent does not have a filter feature. Shell out > the few bucks for the upgrade; I’m told you won’t regret it. > MT NEWSREADER FOR THE MAC: > Lets you killfile in a large number of ways. When a window showing > one article is foremost (and when an article is highlighted in a window > showing the list of articles for a group), a couple of entries on the > ’Filter’ submenu of the Edit menu are enabled. These are ‘Filter this > author…’ and ‘Filter this subject…’, which create author or subject > filters for the active articles respectively. > NETSCAPE COMMUNICATOR > Under the Edit Menu, choose the Message Filters… command. > In the resulting dialog box, click the New button to define a new > filter. Give the filter a name, like "Filter Jerry." > Set the criteria for the filter. For example, "sender is Jerry Howe" > or "subject contains ninnyboy". > Select what to do with filtered messages (delete, ignore, etc…) > Click OK. You may have to disconnect and reconnect for it to take > effect. > OUTLOOK EXPRESS 5.0 > Go to the toolbar at the top of any post written by the person you > wish to banish from your computer. Click on "Message"; then, on the > drop-down menu, click on "Block Sender". > To filter out certain messages rather than blocking a sender entirely > you can create message ‘rules.’ Say you want to filter out all messages > containing ‘ninnyboy’ in the subject line. Go to Message, Create Rule > from Message. Select the condition for each message rule you want to > create and apply. > RN & TRN > To create a global killfile in either of these newsreaders, create a > file in your News directory called KILL (this must be in all capital > letters). Use any text editor to enter the following line into it: > newsgroup you read. > TIN > Read a message from the person you want to killfile or with the subject > heading you want to killfile. While that’s on the screen, hit ctrl and > k at the same time (^k). > A questionaire type screen appears. Return is like saying yes. Space > will toggle from the "subject header" to the "sent from" line. In > other words, you can choose to kill anything from a particular person > or to kill anything with a particular word in the subject heading. > I recommend killfiling people instead of killfiling words because I > might want to kill a subject about "lying dirt bags" today but want to > read something about a dog "lying in dirt" tomorrow. The people stay > more constant than the subject lines. > Toggle with the space bar until you have the combination you want and > then hit return several times to send. The subject line and sent from > line should already be typed in if you were in the message screen when > you hit ctrl k. > Doesn’t work? There’s a question that reads kill pattern. Sometimes I > have to type in the person’s name exactly the way it reads on the sent > from line. I’m not sure why. > X-NEWS > When reading an article, press ‘k’ to add the poster to the plonk > file. It will then ask you for an expiration period – 100 days is > the default. If you want a person permanently zapped, change "100" > to "0". > XRN (At least, version 9.02. Don’t know about earlier versions) > With an article from the troll in question selected, hold shift > while clicking the "Author Kill" button to kill for the current > group. To kill for ALL groups, use the Control key instead of > the shift key.
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> Is what Jerry says about this and the other trainers here not true?
Nope. Not true. > Not that I do or don’t believe him (because of his personality, > to want to disbelieve him, actually), but.. just a’wondering… > Instead of "That’s not true" follow-ups, I’ve seen nothing but > attacks on the placement of his dog-collar ad…
Most people have jer killfiled, so of course there aren’t any "that’s not true" follow ups… although there were several two years ago, when he first showed up here. > And what about his training info? Does that really work?
Which parts? >I don’t much care about any "bait-n-switch practices" claims or > whatever.. I’m smart enough to recognize an ad when I see it, as are > most adults, so I really don’t see where the "beef" is with that one..
Mostly because it’s rather dishonest. > If he’s really such a bad person, I’d think "you all" would have a > better jerry-faq laying around somewhere than that thing with some
You mean like http://home.earthlink.net/~tdwillis/Harlan/concerns.html ? Also, I’m not sure Jer is a "bad person" so much as he is a "crazy person". I suspect that he doesn’t have a lot of control over the things he does. > And MOST readers of this ng, I’d bet, are people such as me.. Not ones > who’ve been following the arguments for however long they’ve been > going on… And why do I ask? I’ve gotten "you’ve not been here > long, have you?" > type replies to a couple of my posts here concerning him… Pretty > much like an insult concerning me being a ‘greenhorn" or…
Perhaps the person was just making a joke. At any rate, keep in mind no one is _required_ to respond to your questions in any particular way. Most of the regulars here are just tired of the subject, and won’t spend any more time on it. > a bait-n- switch tactic of the other side..
No, that would not qualify as bait and switch. > Otherwise, I’d think someone would be proud to provide > such info on their website, weekly faq, or whatever….
See above. > But that’s just the perceptions of an outsider..
Please understand that if you are new here, you will have missed all of the discussions that were had when jer first showed up two years ago. Most of us have him killfiled (even me, even though I once said I never would). I’m not sure how far Deja’s archives go back now adays, so there may be no way for you to see what went on. –Terri & Harlan — What Would Robot Frank Do?
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>Is what Jerry says about this and the other trainers here not true?
Why don’t you just buy one of the damn things and find out for yourself? Download his silly manual, too, and give it a try. Some folks just need to find things out for themselves. But stop all the freakin’ whining, eh? >If he’s really such a bad person, I’d think "you all" would have a better >jerry-faq laying around somewhere than that thing with some naked guy
That’s really the only "jerry-faq" you need. Be thankful for it. >And MOST readers of this ng, I’d bet, are people such as me..
I think you just might be a troll. >But that’s just the perceptions of an outsider..
Then buy one of his DDRs, download his manual, but do it quietly, okay? You’re shit’s getting old, BD. O-L-D. :>( — Dogman http://www.i1.net/~dogman For everything you’ve ever wanted to know about our newsgroup’s many TROLLS: http://www.i1.net/~dogman/trolls.html "I really dislike – thats (sic) too harsh but the best I can state it – the entire sporting group and cannot imagine being forced to live with one – not my types at all!" Nancy Holmes
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Is what Jerry says about this and the other trainers here not true? Not that I do or don’t believe him (because of his personality, to want to disbelieve him, actually), but.. just a’wondering… Instead of "That’s not true" follow-ups, I’ve seen nothing but attacks on the placement of his dog-collar ad… And what about his training info? Does that really work? I don’t much care about any "bait-n-switch practices" claims or whatever.. I’m smart enough to recognize an ad when I see it, as are most adults, so I really don’t see where the "beef" is with that one.. If he’s really such a bad person, I’d think "you all" would have a better jerry-faq laying around somewhere than that thing with some naked guy And MOST readers of this ng, I’d bet, are people such as me.. Not ones who’ve been following the arguments for however long they’ve been going on… And why do I ask? I’ve gotten "you’ve not been here long, have you?" type replies to a couple of my posts here concerning him… Pretty much like an insult concerning me being a ‘greenhorn" or… a bait-n-switch tactic of the other side.. Otherwise, I’d think someone would be proud to provide such info on their website, weekly faq, or whatever…. But that’s just the perceptions of an outsider.. – Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – > Your problem is, that YOU like to jerk and choke your dogs. You are a > koehler trainer, and that means you’re a dog abusing coward. koehler > trainers choke and intimidate dogs, and when the dog growls about his > "training," they HANG the dog, beause they’re AFRAID. Then, if hanging don’t > work, they KILL the dog, and blame it on BAD BREEDING. Hell, a good dog > should be willing to sumit to being abused.
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>And MOST readers of this ng, I’d bet, are people such as me.. >Not ones who’ve been following the arguments for however long >they’ve been going on…
Most of the people here that Jerry accuses of abuse have him killfiled. In my case, he has stated that I walk Rocky with a "choke prong" collar (I don’t own any collar other than flat buckle ones). He claims that I use abusive training methods when I have posted that I use motivators such as play, praise, and food. He has stated that I caused Rocky’s epilepsy by abusing him. — –Matt. Rocky’s a Dog.
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Hello marquis de shaw,
> Most, though not all, newsreaders enable you to > automatically mark certain posts or threads as read. > This is usually referred to as a killfile or a filter.
Yes, all of our dog chokers tell people to killfile ME, so that THEY don’t look like THUGS. Your problem is, that YOU like to jerk and choke your dogs. You are a koehler trainer, and that means you’re a dog abusing coward. koehler trainers choke and intimidate dogs, and when the dog growls about his "training," they HANG the dog, beause they’re AFRAID. Then, if hanging don’t work, they KILL the dog, and blame it on BAD BREEDING. Hell, a good dog should be willing to sumit to being abused. Hello People, Here’s some filter advice that will help you out in real life as well as on the news groups: USE YOUR BRAIN. If a post makes sense, it’s probably sensible… HOWE’S THAT? Here’s more: The following will give YOU some NEW OPTIONS: "Hello Soup, Sounds like BUNK to me… What evidence do you have to support your proposition the brain is really capable of recognizing and discriminating good from bad information??? There is NO EVIDENCE whatsoever supporting what you suggest here, and I think you are just trying to SCAM good people out of their minds, by making them use them all up… PEOPLE!!! Don’t listen to this scam artist who only wants you to THINK, so he can scam you out of you mind while it is being preoccupied with his distraction technique… Don’t be fooled! Thinking can be dangerous! Reading information will give you ideas. CAVEAT EMPTOR. Jerry."
– Hide quoted text — Show quoted text -> HOW TO FILTER POSTS ON NEWSGROUPS WITHOUT > KILLFILES > A SUPERDOG STATION EXCLUSIVE > I’ve found this incredible way to filter posts which I want > to share with you all, actually, I’ve been using it for a > few years now and you won’t believe it when I tell you how > powerful it is…I know this sounds complicated, but all you > have to do is look at posts/threads, decide which you think > you might want to read, and then read them. The ones you > don’t want to read, (listen carefully now…you don’t > read). > You see, you actually use something called your "BraIN" and > believe it or not, your eyes cooperate and if your "BraIN" > tells them not to read something, they won’t. Of course, > your hand has to cooperate with your brain by not clicking > unless it is told to. > Sexual predators, Heads of State, mimes, and people with > Parkinson’s Disease often have trouble controlling their > hands, but most everyone else should be okay. > Scientists have proven the filtering ability of the brain > with double blind experiments in Rhesus Monkeys. Of course, > many critics argue that doubly blinded monkeys are rendered > poor subjects for experiments involving sight and/or > perception, but what do these yahyahhing critics know > anyway? > Anyway, this "BraIN" thing is really cool. Many of you > people should try it sometime. It’s good for other things > besides newsgroups too! You can impress all your friends > and neighbors with it, and you can even use it to seduce > older teenagers like Britney Spears, middle-aged teenagers > like Christina Aguilera or even brand spankin new teenagers > like Mandy Moore, if they live close by. > DISCLAIMER: > (please do not trespass on private property to seduce > teenagers, regardless of age, unless you get written > permission from their parents or guardians). > HOW TO USE YOUR BRAIN IN NETSCAPE > Instead of filtering people, I filter threads and posts. I > typically read about 10-20% of the posts here, because I > don’t have time to read them all….in Netscape, I just read > the ones I want to read, then I hit SHIFT-C (which marks all > messages read) > Or…the long way by clicking up top > Messages—> > Mark—-> > all read > Then I just close the window and I’m done. Then next time I > open it, only new messages appear. If I find an interesting > thread, where I want to go back and read the whole thing, I > can go back and mark the whole thread unread and read it. > View—> > Messages—> > all > HOW TO USE YOUR BRAIN IN OUTLOOK > read the help > HOW TO USE YOUR BRAIN IN AGENT > read the help > HOW TO USE YOUR BRAIN IN AOL > obviously, if you use AOL for newsgroups you can’t > JUST KIDDING! I was just yah yahhing you there. > read the help > HOW TO USE YOUR BRAIN IN EUDORA > read the help > HOW TO USE YOUR BRAIN IN XNEWS > read the help > HOW TO USE YOUR BRAIN in other programs, > see above and extrapolate (a fancy way of using your brain) > Yours for dogs, law and order, the American Way, and the > keeping of the ruffians, the ya yahhers, the troublemakers, > the cat callers, and the "up to no good" at bay… > This is Michael > Reporting Live… > http://dogtv.com
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Mark and Dianne! Congratulations and thank you for this posting. I’m sure everyone joins me in wishing this new venture lots of success. It should make a big difference for new people getting with flow more quickly. Thanks! –Lia — "It is a strange fact of life on earth that a human being who reaches college age under the impression that "it’s" is the possessive form of "it" cannot be disabused of that belief. No amount of red ink will wash it out." Louis Menand
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Thanks, Dianne! Can you guess HOWE I killfiled? Er, rather WHO? Tee hee!! – Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – > Most, though not all, newsreaders enable you to automatically mark > certain posts or threads as read. This is usually referred to as a > killfile or a filter. Instructions on how to create a killfile for > some of the more common newsreaders are below. If yours isn’t listed, > try looking in your browser under "help." > Disclaimer: These instructions have been compiled from a variety > of sources. I only use rn myself so if the instructions below can’t > help you, I can’t either. Conversely, if you have any additions or > corrections to this list, please feel free to email me at > reposted. > Many, many thanks to everyone who’s contributed!–Dianne Schoenberg > AGENT > Pull down the ‘Window’ on the Menu. Go to Usenet Filters and click on > that. > The first icon on the toolbox should be to ‘Add Kill Filter’. Click > on that. > The edit window will come up. In the area ‘Filter Expression’, write > ’Jerry Howe’. And then under ‘Kill Action’, mark whatever little > button you want. > AOL 5.0 (note: versions prior to 5.0 lack killfiles) > From the newsgroups window, choose preferences and a window will open > that says, "Global newsgroup preferences." Click on the filtering > tab (there should be filtering, viewing, and posting tabs). Select > filter type from the pulldown menu. Enter the filter in the text field > below the pulldown menu. Then click on the "add filter" button below > the text field. Then click "save" at the bottom of the page, and > you’re done. > FREE AGENT > Regrettably, Free Agent does not have a filter feature. Shell out > the few bucks for the upgrade; I’m told you won’t regret it. > MT NEWSREADER FOR THE MAC: > Lets you killfile in a large number of ways. When a window showing > one article is foremost (and when an article is highlighted in a window > showing the list of articles for a group), a couple of entries on the > ’Filter’ submenu of the Edit menu are enabled. These are ‘Filter this > author…’ and ‘Filter this subject…’, which create author or subject > filters for the active articles respectively. > NETSCAPE COMMUNICATOR > Under the Edit Menu, choose the Message Filters… command. > In the resulting dialog box, click the New button to define a new > filter. Give the filter a name, like "Filter Jerry." > Set the criteria for the filter. For example, "sender is Jerry Howe" > or "subject contains ninnyboy". > Select what to do with filtered messages (delete, ignore, etc…) > Click OK. You may have to disconnect and reconnect for it to take > effect. > OUTLOOK EXPRESS 5.0 > Go to the toolbar at the top of any post written by the person you > wish to banish from your computer. Click on "Message"; then, on the > drop-down menu, click on "Block Sender". > To filter out certain messages rather than blocking a sender entirely > you can create message ‘rules.’ Say you want to filter out all messages > containing ‘ninnyboy’ in the subject line. Go to Message, Create Rule > from Message. Select the condition for each message rule you want to > create and apply. > RN & TRN > To create a global killfile in either of these newsreaders, create a > file in your News directory called KILL (this must be in all capital > letters). Use any text editor to enter the following line into it: > newsgroup you read. > TIN > Read a message from the person you want to killfile or with the subject > heading you want to killfile. While that’s on the screen, hit ctrl and > k at the same time (^k). > A questionaire type screen appears. Return is like saying yes. Space > will toggle from the "subject header" to the "sent from" line. In > other words, you can choose to kill anything from a particular person > or to kill anything with a particular word in the subject heading. > I recommend killfiling people instead of killfiling words because I > might want to kill a subject about "lying dirt bags" today but want to > read something about a dog "lying in dirt" tomorrow. The people stay > more constant than the subject lines. > Toggle with the space bar until you have the combination you want and > then hit return several times to send. The subject line and sent from > line should already be typed in if you were in the message screen when > you hit ctrl k. > Doesn’t work? There’s a question that reads kill pattern. Sometimes I > have to type in the person’s name exactly the way it reads on the sent > from line. I’m not sure why. > X-NEWS > When reading an article, press ‘k’ to add the poster to the plonk > file. It will then ask you for an expiration period – 100 days is > the default. If you want a person permanently zapped, change "100" > to "0". > XRN (At least, version 9.02. Don’t know about earlier versions) > With an article from the troll in question selected, hold shift > while clicking the "Author Kill" button to kill for the current > group. To kill for ALL groups, use the Control key instead of > the shift key.
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Hello marquis de "read koehler for content," shaw,
> Most, though not all, newsreaders enable you to automatically mark > certain posts or threads as read. This is usually referred to as a > killfile or a filter.
You want people to killfile Jerry, because Jerry has EXPOSED our lying, dog abusing Thugs as the vicious COWARDS they are. Here’s PROOF: Hello People, lyinglynn writes to a new foster dog care giver: "For barking in the crate – leave the leash on and pass it through the crate door. Attach a line to it. When he barks, use the line for a correction." lyinlynn says: "I LOVE KOEHLER," and in the next breath denies being a ‘koehler trainer.’ Is that because she shocks dogs, and koehler never had a shock collar? Pity that he was born too late to benefit from such a wondrous teaching tool, ISN’T it??? BESIDES, WHAT’S SO WRONG being a koehelr trainer, THAT lying"I LOVE KOEHLER"lynn AND CINDYMORON BOTH DENY USING THE KOEHLER METHODS THAT THEY TEACH??? Or is it just that lying is in vogue??? Amy Dahl LIES with a straight face and says: "I don’t beat dogs, twist ears, or pinch toes. For the benefit of anyone who is in doubt, and who chooses not to read the article, there is NO mention in it of "twisting ears. I would never slap a dog. I would never advise anyone to slap a dog. I do not believe there is a single circumstance, ever, where slapping a dog is anything but destructive." AND THEN SHE SAYS: " Any refusals are corrected with the ear pinch. When performance is smooth, the stick can be added just as in the fetch from a sitting position. If the previous steps have been carefully done, the dog will soon be lunging eagerly for each dummy as soon as it sees it" THAT’S THE EXCITED, HAPPY LOOK THEIR DOGS SHOW… IT’S TERROR!!!
"Nope. That "beating dogs with sticks" things is something you twisted out of context, because you are full of bizarro manure." LIAR. I’ll just copy a direct quote or two or three or four or five or six… HOWE many direct quotes would you like??? "Get a stick 30- or 40-inches long. You can have a helper wield the stick, or do it yourself. Tougher, less tractable dogs may require you to progress to striking them more sharply. With your hand on the collar and ear, say, ‘fetch.’ Immediately tap the dog on the hindquarters with the stick. Repeat "fetch" and pinch the ear all the way to the dummy. Repeat, varying how hard you hit the dog, "Now you are ready to progress to what most people think of as force-fetching: the ear pinch. but will squeal, thrash around, and direct their efforts to escaping the ear pinch You can press the dog’s ear with a shotshell instead of your thumb; even get a studded collar and pinch the ear against that Make the dog’s need to stop the pinching so urgent that resisting your will fades in importance. Say "fetch" while pressing the dummy against its lips and pinching its ear. if the dog still does not open its mouth, get out the shotshell. Try pinching the ear between the metal casing and the collar, even the buckle on the collar. Persist! Eventually, the dog will give in" http://www.oakhillkennel.com/library/force/force1.html http://www.oakhillkennel.com/library/force/force2.html While force-fetching is now complete, training has become more varied and interesting and we are sure you will want to continue." HOWE does varying HOWE you are HURTING the dog make it more INTERESTING? You can’t do something that’s WRONG, right, NO MATTER HOWE hard you try. Dogs DIE because of inappropriate handling and training techniques. There is NEVER any need to jerk and choke and shock or pinch and twist dog’s body parts or beat dogs with sticks to MOTIVATE them. You can get all the information you need to properly handle and train your dog using non force, non confrontational, scientific and psychological behavior modification and conditioning techniques, from the Wits’ End Dog Training Method manual available for free at http://www.doggydoright.com BEWARE the forgeries to confuse you, and the warnings offered to you from our rpdb Gang Of Thugs regarding killfiling my posts and the Wits’ End Dog Training Method manual. These people are frantic at the thought of not having anymore EXCUSE for being able to jerk, choke, and hurt dogs on pronged, choke, and electronic shock collars. You cannot trust your dog’s well being to people who tell you to killfile my advice…and tell you to punish, confine, and confront your dog’s behavior problems. Our Gang Of Thugs are easily identifiable by their warnings about my posts, and their killfile instructions to prevent me from EXPOSING THEM as the vicious, abusive, cretins they are, AND WANT YOU TO BE, so they don’t look out of sorts. "Thus we should beware of clinging to vulgar opinions, and judge things by reason’s way, not by popular say." -Montaigne- "Violence is the last refuge of the incompetent." -Salvor Hardin- "If you cannot convince them, confuse them." -H.S. Truman- DRAINING THE SWAMP, AND RELOCATING THE GATORS… j;~) "CUSTOM WILL RECONCILE PEOPLE TO ANY ATROCITY." - G.B. Shaw – "I know that most men, including those at ease with problems of the greatest complexity, can seldom accept even the simplest and most obvious truth if it would oblige them to admit the falsity of conclusions which they have delighted in explaining to colleagues, proudly taught to others, and which they have woven, thread by thread, into the fabric of their lives." -Leo Tolstoy- Is it any wonder that the following sig file has generated more complaints to my personal email than any other controversial post I have made to date, bar none?: -CAVEAT- If you have to do things to your dog to train him, that you would rather not have to do, then you shouldn’t be doing them. If you have a dog trainer who tells you to jerk your dog around, choke him, pinch his ears, or twist his toes, shock, scruff shake, slap, scold, chin cuff, hit, or punish your dog in any manner, that corrections are appropriate, that the dog won’t think of you as the punisher, that you’ve got to be "firm," or that corrections are not harmful, or if they can’t train your dog to do what you want, look for a trainer who knows HOWE. You can get all the information you need to PROPERLY handle and train your dog using non force, non confronatational, scientific and psychological conditioning and deconditioning techniques in the Wits’ End Dog Training Method manual available for free at http://www.doggydoright.com The Wits’ End Dog Training Method manual is provided compliments of the BIOSOUND Scientific Elves as an alternative to Doggy Do Right (and Kitty Will Too). For additional FREE help for any dog or cat behavior questions, please call or write. Sincerely, Jerry Howe, Director of Training, Wits’ End Dog Training Director of Research, BIOSOUND Scientific 1611 24th St Orlando, FL 32805 Fax: (208)460-4270 Phone: 1-407-425-5092 http://www.doggydoright.com Nature, to be mastered, must be obeyed. -Francis Bacon- There are terrible people who, instead of solving a problem, bungle it and make it more difficult for all who come after. Who ever can’t hit the nail on the head should, please, not hit at all. -Nietzsche- The abilities to think, rationalize and solve problems are learned qualities. The Wits’ End Dog Training Method challenges the learning centers in the dogs brain. These centers, once challenged, develop and continue to grow to make him smarter. The Wits’ End Dog Training method capitalizes on praising split seconds of canine thought, strategy, and timing, not mindless hours of forced repetition, constant corrections, and scolding. -Jerry Howe-
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hip, hip hooray…. Looks like you don’t need blinders on….. I never need a kill file…..
– Hide quoted text — Show quoted text -> Hello marquis de "read koehler for content," shaw, > Most, though not all, newsreaders enable you to > automatically mark certain posts or threads as read. > This is usually referred to as a killfile or a filter. > What’s your purpose for encouraging people to killfile others? Are you > AFRAID of something? I’ll bet you are. I’ll bet you’re AFRAID to be > embarassed by the truth. > Here’s some filter advice that will help you out in real > life as well as on the news groups: > USE YOUR BRAIN. If a post makes sense, it’s probably > sensible… HOWE’S THAT? > Here’s more: > The following will give YOU some NEW OPTIONS: > "Hello Soup, > Sounds like BUNK to me… What evidence do you have > to support your proposition the brain is really capable > of recognizing and discriminating good from bad > information??? > There is NO EVIDENCE whatsoever supporting what > you suggest here, and I think you are just trying to > SCAM good people out of their minds, by making them > use them all up… > PEOPLE!!! Don’t listen to this scam artist who only > wants you to THINK, so he can scam you out of you > mind while it is being preoccupied with his distraction > technique… > Don’t be fooled! Thinking can be dangerous! Reading > information will give you ideas. > CAVEAT EMPTOR. Jerry." > HOW TO FILTER POSTS ON NEWSGROUPS WITHOUT > KILLFILES > A SUPERDOG STATION EXCLUSIVE > I’ve found this incredible way to filter posts which I want > to share with you all, actually, I’ve been using it for a > few years now and you won’t believe it when I tell you how > powerful it is…I know this sounds complicated, but all you > have to do is look at posts/threads, decide which you think > you might want to read, and then read them. The ones you > don’t want to read, (listen carefully now…you don’t > read). > You see, you actually use something called your "BraIN" and > believe it or not, your eyes cooperate and if your "BraIN" > tells them not to read something, they won’t. Of course, > your hand has to cooperate with your brain by not clicking > unless it is told to. > Sexual predators, Heads of State, mimes, and people with > Parkinson’s Disease often have trouble controlling their > hands, but most everyone else should be okay. > Scientists have proven the filtering ability of the brain > with double blind experiments in Rhesus Monkeys. Of course, > many critics argue that doubly blinded monkeys are rendered > poor subjects for experiments involving sight and/or > perception, but what do these yahyahhing critics know > anyway? > Anyway, this "BraIN" thing is really cool. Many of you > people should try it sometime. It’s good for other things > besides newsgroups too! You can impress all your friends > and neighbors with it, and you can even use it to seduce > older teenagers like Britney Spears, middle-aged teenagers > like Christina Aguilera or even brand spankin new teenagers > like Mandy Moore, if they live close by. > DISCLAIMER: > (please do not trespass on private property to seduce > teenagers, regardless of age, unless you get written > permission from their parents or guardians). > HOW TO USE YOUR BRAIN IN NETSCAPE > Instead of filtering people, I filter threads and posts. I > typically read about 10-20% of the posts here, because I > don’t have time to read them all….in Netscape, I just read > the ones I want to read, then I hit SHIFT-C (which marks all > messages read) > Or…the long way by clicking up top > Messages—> > Mark—-> > all read > Then I just close the window and I’m done. Then next time I > open it, only new messages appear. If I find an interesting > thread, where I want to go back and read the whole thing, I > can go back and mark the whole thread unread and read it. > View—> > Messages—> > all > HOW TO USE YOUR BRAIN IN OUTLOOK > read the help > HOW TO USE YOUR BRAIN IN AGENT > read the help > HOW TO USE YOUR BRAIN IN AOL > obviously, if you use AOL for newsgroups you can’t > JUST KIDDING! I was just yah yahhing you there. > read the help > HOW TO USE YOUR BRAIN IN EUDORA > read the help > HOW TO USE YOUR BRAIN IN XNEWS > read the help > HOW TO USE YOUR BRAIN in other programs, > see above and extrapolate (a fancy way of using your brain) > Yours for dogs, law and order, the American Way, and the > keeping of the ruffians, the ya yahhers, the troublemakers, > the cat callers, and the "up to no good" at bay… > This is Michael > Reporting Live… > http://dogtv.com
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Hello marquis de "read koehler for content," shaw, > Most, though not all, newsreaders enable you to > automatically mark certain posts or threads as read. > This is usually referred to as a killfile or a filter.
What’s your purpose for encouraging people to killfile others? Are you AFRAID of something? I’ll bet you are. I’ll bet you’re AFRAID to be embarassed by the truth. Here’s some filter advice that will help you out in real life as well as on the news groups: USE YOUR BRAIN. If a post makes sense, it’s probably sensible… HOWE’S THAT? Here’s more: The following will give YOU some NEW OPTIONS: "Hello Soup, Sounds like BUNK to me… What evidence do you have to support your proposition the brain is really capable of recognizing and discriminating good from bad information??? There is NO EVIDENCE whatsoever supporting what you suggest here, and I think you are just trying to SCAM good people out of their minds, by making them use them all up… PEOPLE!!! Don’t listen to this scam artist who only wants you to THINK, so he can scam you out of you mind while it is being preoccupied with his distraction technique… Don’t be fooled! Thinking can be dangerous! Reading information will give you ideas. CAVEAT EMPTOR. Jerry."
– Hide quoted text — Show quoted text -> HOW TO FILTER POSTS ON NEWSGROUPS WITHOUT > KILLFILES > A SUPERDOG STATION EXCLUSIVE > I’ve found this incredible way to filter posts which I want > to share with you all, actually, I’ve been using it for a > few years now and you won’t believe it when I tell you how > powerful it is…I know this sounds complicated, but all you > have to do is look at posts/threads, decide which you think > you might want to read, and then read them. The ones you > don’t want to read, (listen carefully now…you don’t > read). > You see, you actually use something called your "BraIN" and > believe it or not, your eyes cooperate and if your "BraIN" > tells them not to read something, they won’t. Of course, > your hand has to cooperate with your brain by not clicking > unless it is told to. > Sexual predators, Heads of State, mimes, and people with > Parkinson’s Disease often have trouble controlling their > hands, but most everyone else should be okay. > Scientists have proven the filtering ability of the brain > with double blind experiments in Rhesus Monkeys. Of course, > many critics argue that doubly blinded monkeys are rendered > poor subjects for experiments involving sight and/or > perception, but what do these yahyahhing critics know > anyway? > Anyway, this "BraIN" thing is really cool. Many of you > people should try it sometime. It’s good for other things > besides newsgroups too! You can impress all your friends > and neighbors with it, and you can even use it to seduce > older teenagers like Britney Spears, middle-aged teenagers > like Christina Aguilera or even brand spankin new teenagers > like Mandy Moore, if they live close by. > DISCLAIMER: > (please do not trespass on private property to seduce > teenagers, regardless of age, unless you get written > permission from their parents or guardians). > HOW TO USE YOUR BRAIN IN NETSCAPE > Instead of filtering people, I filter threads and posts. I > typically read about 10-20% of the posts here, because I > don’t have time to read them all….in Netscape, I just read > the ones I want to read, then I hit SHIFT-C (which marks all > messages read) > Or…the long way by clicking up top > Messages—> > Mark—-> > all read > Then I just close the window and I’m done. Then next time I > open it, only new messages appear. If I find an interesting > thread, where I want to go back and read the whole thing, I > can go back and mark the whole thread unread and read it. > View—> > Messages—> > all > HOW TO USE YOUR BRAIN IN OUTLOOK > read the help > HOW TO USE YOUR BRAIN IN AGENT > read the help > HOW TO USE YOUR BRAIN IN AOL > obviously, if you use AOL for newsgroups you can’t > JUST KIDDING! I was just yah yahhing you there. > read the help > HOW TO USE YOUR BRAIN IN EUDORA > read the help > HOW TO USE YOUR BRAIN IN XNEWS > read the help > HOW TO USE YOUR BRAIN in other programs, > see above and extrapolate (a fancy way of using your brain) > Yours for dogs, law and order, the American Way, and the > keeping of the ruffians, the ya yahhers, the troublemakers, > the cat callers, and the "up to no good" at bay… > This is Michael > Reporting Live… > http://dogtv.com
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> Most, though not all, newsreaders enable you to automatically mark > certain posts or threads as read.
What’sa? You afraid of information? Here’s some filter advice that will help you out in real life as well as on the news groups: USE YOUR BRAIN. If a post makes sense, it’s probably sensible… HOWE’S THAT? Here’s more: The following will give YOU some NEW OPTIONS: "Hello Soup, Sounds like BUNK to me… What evidence do you have to support your proposition the brain is really capable of recognizing and discriminating good from bad information??? There is NO EVIDENCE whatsoever supporting what you suggest here, and I think you are just trying to SCAM good people out of their minds, by making them use them all up… PEOPLE!!! Don’t listen to this scam artist who only wants you to THINK, so he can scam you out of you mind while it is being preoccupied with his distraction technique… Don’t be fooled! Thinking can be dangerous! Reading information will give you ideas. CAVEAT EMPTOR." Jerry.
– Hide quoted text — Show quoted text -> HOW TO FILTER POSTS ON NEWSGROUPS WITHOUT > KILLFILES > A SUPERDOG STATION EXCLUSIVE > I’ve found this incredible way to filter posts which I want > to share with you all, actually, I’ve been using it for a > few years now and you won’t believe it when I tell you how > powerful it is…I know this sounds complicated, but all you > have to do is look at posts/threads, decide which you think > you might want to read, and then read them. The ones you > don’t want to read, (listen carefully now…you don’t > read). > You see, you actually use something called your "BraIN" and > believe it or not, your eyes cooperate and if your "BraIN" > tells them not to read something, they won’t. Of course, > your hand has to cooperate with your brain by not clicking > unless it is told to. > Sexual predators, Heads of State, mimes, and people with > Parkinson’s Disease often have trouble controlling their > hands, but most everyone else should be okay. > Scientists have proven the filtering ability of the brain > with double blind experiments in Rhesus Monkeys. Of course, > many critics argue that doubly blinded monkeys are rendered > poor subjects for experiments involving sight and/or > perception, but what do these yahyahhing critics know > anyway? > Anyway, this "BraIN" thing is really cool. Many of you > people should try it sometime. It’s good for other things > besides newsgroups too! You can impress all your friends > and neighbors with it, and you can even use it to seduce > older teenagers like Britney Spears, middle-aged teenagers > like Christina Aguilera or even brand spankin new teenagers > like Mandy Moore, if they live close by. > DISCLAIMER: > (please do not trespass on private property to seduce > teenagers, regardless of age, unless you get written > permission from their parents or guardians). > HOW TO USE YOUR BRAIN IN NETSCAPE > Instead of filtering people, I filter threads and posts. I > typically read about 10-20% of the posts here, because I > don’t have time to read them all….in Netscape, I just read > the ones I want to read, then I hit SHIFT-C (which marks all > messages read) > Or…the long way by clicking up top > Messages—> > Mark—-> > all read > Then I just close the window and I’m done. Then next time I > open it, only new messages appear. If I find an interesting > thread, where I want to go back and read the whole thing, I > can go back and mark the whole thread unread and read it. > View—> > Messages—> > all > HOW TO USE YOUR BRAIN IN OUTLOOK > read the help > HOW TO USE YOUR BRAIN IN AGENT > read the help > HOW TO USE YOUR BRAIN IN AOL > obviously, if you use AOL for newsgroups you can’t > JUST KIDDING! I was just yah yahhing you there. > read the help > HOW TO USE YOUR BRAIN IN EUDORA > read the help > HOW TO USE YOUR BRAIN IN XNEWS > read the help > HOW TO USE YOUR BRAIN in other programs, > see above and extrapolate (a fancy way of using your brain) > Yours for dogs, law and order, the American Way, and the > keeping of the ruffians, the ya yahhers, the troublemakers, > the cat callers, and the "up to no good" at bay… > This is Michael > Reporting Live… > http://dogtv.com
"I know that most men, including those at ease with problems of the greatest complexity, can seldom accept even the simplest and most obvious truth if it would oblige them to admit the falsity of conclusions which they have delighted in explaining to colleagues, proudly taught to others, and which they have woven, thread by thread, into the fabric of their lives." -Leo Tolstoy- Is it any wonder that the following sig file has generated more complaints to my personal email than any other controversial post I have made to date, bar none?: CAVEAT If you have to do things to your dog to train him that you would rather not have to do, then you shouldn’t be doing them. If you have a dog trainer who tells you to jerk your dog around, choke him, pinch his ears, or twist his toes, shock, shake, slap, scold, hit, chin cuff, scruff shake or punish your dog in any manner, that corrections are appropriate, that the dog won’t think of you as the punisher, or that corrections are not harmful, or if they can’t train your dog to do what you want, look for a trainer that knows HOWE. Sincerely, Jerry Howe, Wits’ End Dog Training http://www.doggydoright.com Nature, to be mastered, must be obeyed. -Francis Bacon- There are terrible people who, instead of solving a problem, bungle it and make it more difficult for all who come after. Who ever can’t hit the nail on the head should, please, not hit at all. -Nietzsche- The abilities to think, rationalize and solve problems are learned qualities. The Wits’ End Dog Training Method challenges the learning centers in the dogs brain. These centers, once challenged, develop and continue to grow to make him smarter. The Wits’ End Dog Training method capitalizes on praising split seconds of canine thought, strategy, and timing, not mindless hours of forced repetition, constant corrections, and scolding. -Jerry Howe-
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I set up a killfile so that I can block the sender, how do I put ninnyboy or something like that in the killfile as well. I am using X-news
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[posted and mailed, followup set to poster] <attrib>Sunshine on my shoulders makes me happy. Posting …</attrib> > I set up a killfile so that I can block the sender, how do I put > ninnyboy or something like that in the killfile as well. I am using > X-news
method 1: edit score.ini (found in your xnews directory) and place the follwing section into it: [rec.pets.*] Score:: =-9999 method 2: In the XNews header viewing window, select Article –> Add to Scorefile (or press the "S" key) In the Scoring dialogue, select New Section then edit the text in that field so it contains only rec.pets.* in it Under 2. Score Value, select "KILL" Click "Never Expire" Select "Subject" "matches" then edit the text in that field to put only the word "ninnyboy" without the quotes in there. Click "Apply" — gekko You can see a lot by observing. — Yogi Berra
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Most, though not all, newsreaders enable you to automatically mark certain posts or threads as read. This is usually referred to as a killfile or a filter. Instructions on how to create a killfile for some of the more common newsreaders are below. If yours isn’t listed, try looking in your browser under "help." Disclaimer: These instructions have been compiled from a variety of sources. I only use rn myself so if the instructions below can’t help you, I can’t either. Conversely, if you have any additions or corrections to this list, please feel free to email me at reposted. Many, many thanks to everyone who’s contributed!–Dianne Schoenberg AGENT Pull down the ‘Window’ on the Menu. Go to Usenet Filters and click on that. The first icon on the toolbox should be to ‘Add Kill Filter’. Click on that. The edit window will come up. In the area ‘Filter Expression’, write ’Jerry Howe’. And then under ‘Kill Action’, mark whatever little button you want. AOL 5.0 (note: versions prior to 5.0 lack killfiles) From the newsgroups window, choose preferences and a window will open that says, "Global newsgroup preferences." Click on the filtering tab (there should be filtering, viewing, and posting tabs). Select filter type from the pulldown menu. Enter the filter in the text field below the pulldown menu. Then click on the "add filter" button below the text field. Then click "save" at the bottom of the page, and you’re done. FREE AGENT Regrettably, Free Agent does not have a filter feature. Shell out the few bucks for the upgrade; I’m told you won’t regret it. MT NEWSREADER FOR THE MAC: Lets you killfile in a large number of ways. When a window showing one article is foremost (and when an article is highlighted in a window showing the list of articles for a group), a couple of entries on the ’Filter’ submenu of the Edit menu are enabled. These are ‘Filter this author…’ and ‘Filter this subject…’, which create author or subject filters for the active articles respectively. NETSCAPE COMMUNICATOR Under the Edit Menu, choose the Message Filters… command. In the resulting dialog box, click the New button to define a new filter. Give the filter a name, like "Filter Jerry." Set the criteria for the filter. For example, "sender is Jerry Howe" or "subject contains ninnyboy". Select what to do with filtered messages (delete, ignore, etc…) Click OK. You may have to disconnect and reconnect for it to take effect. [N.B. As far as I can tell, there is no way to apply a Message Filter to a newsgroup if you're using a Unix or Linux version of Communicator. This currently (Communicator v. 4.61) seems to work *only* for email on those platforms. -mshaw] OUTLOOK EXPRESS 5.0 Go to the toolbar at the top of any post written by the person you wish to banish from your computer. Click on "Message"; then, on the drop-down menu, click on "Block Sender". To filter out certain messages rather than blocking a sender entirely you can create message ‘rules.’ Say you want to filter out all messages containing ‘ninnyboy’ in the subject line. Go to Message, Create Rule from Message. Select the condition for each message rule you want to create and apply. RN & TRN To create a global killfile in either of these newsreaders, create a file in your News directory called KILL (this must be in all capital letters). Use any text editor to enter the following line into it: newsgroup you read. TIN Read a message from the person you want to killfile or with the subject heading you want to killfile. While that’s on the screen, hit ctrl and k at the same time (^k). A questionaire type screen appears. Return is like saying yes. Space will toggle from the "subject header" to the "sent from" line. In other words, you can choose to kill anything from a particular person or to kill anything with a particular word in the subject heading. I recommend killfiling people instead of killfiling words because I might want to kill a subject about "lying dirt bags" today but want to read something about a dog "lying in dirt" tomorrow. The people stay more constant than the subject lines. Toggle with the space bar until you have the combination you want and then hit return several times to send. The subject line and sent from line should already be typed in if you were in the message screen when you hit ctrl k. Doesn’t work? There’s a question that reads kill pattern. Sometimes I have to type in the person’s name exactly the way it reads on the sent from line. I’m not sure why. X-NEWS When reading an article, press ‘k’ to add the poster to the plonk file. It will then ask you for an expiration period – 100 days is the default. If you want a person permanently zapped, change "100" to "0". XRN (At least, version 9.02. Don’t know about earlier versions) With an article from the troll in question selected, hold shift while clicking the "Author Kill" button to kill for the current group. To kill for ALL groups, use the Control key instead of the shift key.
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> Troll…
Well…..Isn’t that the pot calling the kettle black.
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>Hmm, I assume this is crossposted from Jar Jar. It smells like his >tripe. >Funny how he’s now reduced to posting to a auto post from >Mark. He used to do this to CTM’s auto-posts, too. >Maybe even new folks have stopped talking to him by now? >I may visit there again someday, if this is so. >Terri
I am confused. I posted, having a bit of fun with the dolt. Since I am a ‘cookie trainer’, I wondered how the heck he would handle a competition trainer who only uses inducive training. He called me a TROLL:)
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I am a troll? Is it because I can do what I say with proof and you cannot?:) Mindy and the Muddy Paws Pack U-CDX CH Tribute’s Three X The Charm UDX,TDX,AX,NAJ (I don’t need anything but my mom and a hot dog:) Muddy Paws Tri the Truth TD and Muddy Paws Beautiful Trinket and my rescue forever U-CDX Strange Quark UD,TD,OA,NAJ – Hide quoted text — Show quoted text ->Troll… > >OhmydoG, Mindy–don’t you know that she believes in cookie > >training?! And she perpetuates horrible punishments like > >leaving the room if the dog’s not paying attention to you?! > >You dog abuser, you <*vvbg*> > I know. My dogs look so sad in the ring, their tails WAGGING in >fear that they > might not keep up, or retrieve the toy or do signals fast enough >because there > is NO WAY to know if the cookie will come then:) I am evil, I >make them WAIT > for Cookies, then JACKPOT:)
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>>OhmydoG, Mindy–don’t you know that she believes in cookie >training?! And she perpetuates horrible punishments like >leaving the room if the dog’s not paying attention to you?! >You dog abuser, you <*vvbg*> >I know. My dogs look so sad in the ring, their tails WAGGING in fear >that they might not keep up, or retrieve the toy or do signals fast >enough because there is NO WAY to know if the cookie will come then:) I >am evil, I make them WAIT for Cookies, then JACKPOT:)
Hmm, I assume this is crossposted from Jar Jar. It smells like his tripe. Funny how he’s now reduced to posting to a auto post from Mark. He used to do this to CTM’s auto-posts, too. Maybe even new folks have stopped talking to him by now? I may visit there again someday, if this is so. Terri
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>Why don’t you dispute my methods and information? If you can’t, >perhaps you’ll get jecks to discuss this with me??? I’d love to talk >with a knowledgable, well known author, and prove his metal… bye~
Dawn Jecs has worked with prisoners rehabbing dogs, as well as having competition obedience dogs. I do not know if she has an email addy, but she has several books at Dogwise. I have much more faith in someone I can talk to and see and read and watch in the ring than I do in a box. Mindy, EVILLY shaping dog behavior by MAKING THEM eat cheese on a spoon while staying in heel position, or trying to catch my hand with a treat in it:) NO COLLAR OR LEASH OH NO!
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>HOWE’S your woolie? >You’ve never participated in an honest discussion of dog training..
I don’t need to participate. I am more of a doer. I don’t have woolies, I do have English springer that I train, breed, love and share my life with. I am an advocate of Dawn Jecs, and sometimes Chris Bach. I prefer to learn from those that do what I want to do: Perform exquisitely in the ring, at home, in the field, with a happy attitude because it was fun for all of us. So far, so good. No strange black boxes, just hotdogs and cheese. We believe we are here to dance, without stepping on toes. I don’t sell anything, and I don’t need to. I train other peoples dogs, and don’t have bizarre behavioral problems. Hmmmm, I don’t do much right:)
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Troll… – Hide quoted text — Show quoted text ->OhmydoG, Mindy–don’t you know that she believes in cookie >training?! And she perpetuates horrible punishments like >leaving the room if the dog’s not paying attention to you?! >You dog abuser, you <*vvbg*> > I know. My dogs look so sad in the ring, their tails WAGGING in fear that they > might not keep up, or retrieve the toy or do signals fast enough because there > is NO WAY to know if the cookie will come then:) I am evil, I make them WAIT > for Cookies, then JACKPOT:)
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>ello marquis de "read koehler for content,"shaw, >Funn isn’t it, that everyone who is upset with me are koehler or >shock collar trainers. koehler trainers are dog abusing cowards…
I find you a ludicrus little pest who misinforms the general public. And I have no shock collars nor any interest in Koehler. Though I do subscribe to Dawn Jecs. Go back to the hole you are digging.
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>I find you a ludicrus little pest who misinforms the general public. And I >have no shock collars nor any interest in Koehler. Though I do subscribe to >Dawn Jecs.
OhmydoG, Mindy–don’t you know that she believes in cookie training?! And she perpetuates horrible punishments like leaving the room if the dog’s not paying attention to you?! You dog abuser, you <*vvbg*>. Dianne
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>OhmydoG, Mindy–don’t you know that she believes in cookie >training?! And she perpetuates horrible punishments like >leaving the room if the dog’s not paying attention to you?! >You dog abuser, you <*vvbg*>
I know. My dogs look so sad in the ring, their tails WAGGING in fear that they might not keep up, or retrieve the toy or do signals fast enough because there is NO WAY to know if the cookie will come then:) I am evil, I make them WAIT for Cookies, then JACKPOT:)
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Why don’t you dispute my methods and information? If you can’t, perhaps you’ll get jecks to discuss this with me??? I’d love to talk with a knowledgable, well known author, and prove his metal… bye~ – Hide quoted text — Show quoted text ->ello marquis de "read koehler for content,"shaw, >Funn isn’t it, that everyone who is upset with me are koehler or >shock collar trainers. koehler trainers are dog abusing cowards… > I find you a ludicrus little pest who misinforms the general public. And I > have no shock collars nor any interest in Koehler. Though I do subscribe to > Dawn Jecs. Go back to the hole you are digging.
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HOWE’S your woolie? You’ve never participated in an honest discussion of dog training… – Hide quoted text — Show quoted text ->I find you a ludicrus little pest who misinforms the general public. And I >have no shock collars nor any interest in Koehler. Though I do subscribe to >Dawn Jecs. > OhmydoG, Mindy–don’t you know that she believes in cookie > training?! And she perpetuates horrible punishments like > leaving the room if the dog’s not paying attention to you?! > You dog abuser, you <*vvbg*>. > Dianne
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Hello marquis de "read koehler for content,"shaw, Funn isn’t it, that everyone who is upset with me are koehler or shock collar trainers. koehler trainers are dog abusing cowards…
> Most, though not all, newsreaders enable you to automatically > mark certain posts or threads as read. This is usually referred to as > a killfile or a filter.
Is this what you are afraid people will see?:
> Mac has his head in my lap, and I just accidentally bopped him > with the keyboard. He "oofed", looked at me, and put his head > back down. When you hurt your dogs, how do they know when > it’s an accident? At the vet’s, how do they know pain may be > necessary?
Hello Chris, That’s just what I was wondering myself… You know trust is something that is not easily earned, and difficult to be regained once lost. Dogs are smarter than our "traditional" trainers believe and in some regards they don’t think quite like we do. Some of our experts believe we cannot tell what a dog is thinking. Did you see my post "Crocodile Hunter?" The point to that was reflexive behavior, like positive thigmotaxis, as example. The crazy Aussie either intentionally or accidentally allowed a rather large croc in the water hissing at him, to grab his hand. He gave in rather than resisted, and the croc spit him out, apparently without even drawing blood. Dogs frequently bite the same way. Resistance always triggers the opposition reflex, positive thigmotaxis, and compels the critter to engage in a full blown attack. Remember my story of the chimp who’d bite the beejeesus out of you if you reflexed when he’d suddenly pull your hand up to his mouth and feign a bite? Same thing. Your resistance signals mistrust. The more you resist, the more he bites till he lets you go when you stop fighting him. They don’t think like we do. Trust did not have any bearing on the croc, so don’t misunderstand. We discussed this here a bit with Canis55, if you recall. Long ago but right here, lying"I LOVE KOEHLER,"lynn said protection trained dogs needed to be flanked (pulled by the loose skin between rear leg and ribs), switched (beat with a 30-40"Hickory stick or riding crop [a la' lyingfrosty dahl]), muzzed to be safely slapped around (I don’t even know if they got a name for that, but notice our experts are particularly concerned with self), or have their tails and ears pulled, to reliably train a protection dog. My response was to say hurting dogs to train them is unacceptable, which promted dirtydan h to ask me HOWE I train protection dogs, which led to my McProtection Training post, which marybeth soon perverted to be called Jerry’s Spike & Squirt Method, which led to the spiking temps red herring thing, which to date, no one has ever quoted the offensive method in the text, because the rise in temp is a physiological response to the situation. The dog is working out of love and pack survival instinct. Why would our dogs expect us to ever inflict pain on them or intimidate them in any manner? Jerry don’t go for that. My dogs’ temperatuers rise when their kinder, gentler handlers are threatened by our aggitator. For my money, you ain’t gonna make a dog like that bite you for love or liver. Maybe that’s really why I don’t physically or emotionally punish or scold or even reprimand dogs, because it violates trust, and that’s what gets you bit. Untrained dogs don’t bite because they’re aggressive, they bite because they’re scared. That’s why handlers get bit. Tha’s why trainers hang dogs. That’s why lots of dogs flash when people lean over or stare at them. Lack of trust, they’re scared. I’ve worked with dogs having submissive urination problems and fixed it in just one protection lesson. j;~} Have you read: – Hide quoted text — Show quoted text – >Tittle Moore) writes: >>If [one] gets the dog to open his mouth by itself it is not >>forcing the dog [...]? > Selective editing, because I’m not at all interested in the > "win-lose game" aspect you keep belabouring: This part > caught my eye. When doing a conditioned retrieve, every > step of the way is all about getting *the dog > itself* to choose each time. If *you* > are the one to open the mouth, drag the dog over to the > dumbbell, push it in the mouth, and so on, you are not teaching > the dog anything. Obviously the meaning of force has a much > wider application than the narrow definition you forced it into. It > is a very complex concept, which is perhaps why people get so > hung up over it. > I have not been able to follow this entire thread, but I would like > to comment on the "force" issue. As a behaviorist, I don’t believe > that there is "free will" or "choice" which determines behavior. > From my philosophical standpoint all behavior is forced or > determined. In some cases the force is quite clear as when > presenting an eliciting stimulus which immediately elicits a > response (such as shining a light into a mammal’s eye and the > pupil contracts) and in other cases the force is quite obscure (as > when your dog gets up off the floor, jumps on the couch, and > settles at your side). > In the method I posted for training a retrieve, it is true that I > opened my dog’s mouth and I understand why compared to other > methods, like the one that accompanied my post by Diane > Blackman, people could describe what I did as using force. But > again, from my standpoint, all behavior is forced; from my > standpoint volition is an illusion. As Cindy, cogently noted > above, "force" is a difficult concept to address. > My point here is that any such discussion involves deep > philosophical and religious issues. > For any training procedure we should ask: > 1) effectiveness–does it work? > 2) efficiency–does it work quickly and with minimal resources? > 3) relationship–does it strengthen or weaken the extent our > pet/friends will bond with us? [That's why we > try to almost always use positive reinforcement > rather than punishement.] > Jerry, the Merchant of the Magic Box, always considers 3) > whereas we sceptics always consider 1) and 2). > –Marshall
O.K. doc, grab a ringside seat and have some cotton candy to enjoy, while watching the death-defying high wire act, performed without a safety net… Let’s have a go at it, shall we? I’m going to explain a couple of things to you that I’d kind of like you to keep in mind, even though you probably won’t understand what it is that I’m saying. Otherwise, you’d have understood by now. Ferstaisch? It would have been obvious to you, had you read my manual. Your words, doc: "Jerry, the Merchant of the Magic Box, always considers 3)" This con man is so smart, he’s going to put himself out of business, by giving away free training information that will obviate the need for his machine and cost him sales, in many cases? Good competition is good for business, so why not compete with my own interests? I’d have a hard time finding a more worthy adversary. Wouldn’t you agree? The motivation for such a poor business decision isn’t sheer stupidity, doc, it is indeed, number three. As a simple, uneducated professional dog trainer, doc, I’m very aware of the urgent need to bring harmony to dogs’ and their people’s lives. I realize the need for people to improve the quality of their and their dogs’ lives, through learning proper handling and training techniques. Dogs’ lives are at stake here, doc… As a professional dog trainer, doc, I don’t settle for second rate advice for my dogs or my students. There is no excuse for anything less than excellence in one’s field, especially my fields of expertise… Wouldn’t you agree professor? 1) effectiveness–does it work? The methods in my manual doc, are scientifically and psychologically based. The techniques are precise, and the results are repeatable consistently, on any dog, even wolves. The effects happen almost instantly, certainly within three or four repetitions, if done correctly. Many other animals can be handled the same way (my rats would come when called, and no, I didn’t use food bribes on them either), all you gotta do is be bright enough, observant enough, and be accurate in your timing, to use the tools properly. A five year old child could do it, with a little help from mommy. You’d have been able to learn a lot from reading my text, doc. You would have learned by now (after wasting eight months), that the Wits’ End Dog Training Method has as much to do with family, as it does with training dogs. There is little difference between properly raising a child, and properly raising a dog. The ideology taught in the manual applies to your kids, your wife, and anybody important in your life. The concepts of respect and consideration as taught in my manual, will have significant inferences on the way we raise our children, work, think, live, govern ourselves, and will positively impact our society and eventually the entire world. The Wits’ End Method is not just a Howe to manual, it was written to make you THINK! Think about what you are doing with your dogs, kid, mates, employers, employees, co-workers, neighbors, government, and the entire world. 2) efficiency–does it work quickly and with minimal resources? Even better than that, doc. It’ FREE! And no other method works as quickly and effortlessly. Why don’t I just sit down, write a book and send it out to an editor, and put in some old photos, and sell it and get fat? For one thing, doc, I don’t need to get fat. My machine will make me fatter than you could ever conceive of. The information in my manual is unsurpassed, and cannot wait for me to polish it up … read more »
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Most, though not all, newsreaders enable you to automatically mark certain posts or threads as read. This is usually referred to as a killfile or a filter. Instructions on how to create a killfile for some of the more common newsreaders are below. If yours isn’t listed, try looking in your browser under "help." Disclaimer: These instructions have been compiled from a variety of sources. I only use rn myself so if the instructions below can’t help you, I can’t either. Conversely, if you have any additions or corrections to this list, please feel free to email me at reposted. Many, many thanks to everyone who’s contributed!–Dianne Schoenberg AGENT Pull down the ‘Window’ on the Menu. Go to Usenet Filters and click on that. The first icon on the toolbox should be to ‘Add Kill Filter’. Click on that. The edit window will come up. In the area ‘Filter Expression’, write ’Jerry Howe’. And then under ‘Kill Action’, mark whatever little button you want. AOL 5.0 (note: versions prior to 5.0 lack killfiles) From the newsgroups window, choose preferences and a window will open that says, "Global newsgroup preferences." Click on the filtering tab (there should be filtering, viewing, and posting tabs). Select filter type from the pulldown menu. Enter the filter in the text field below the pulldown menu. Then click on the "add filter" button below the text field. Then click "save" at the bottom of the page, and you’re done. FREE AGENT Regrettably, Free Agent does not have a filter feature. Shell out the few bucks for the upgrade; I’m told you won’t regret it. MT NEWSREADER FOR THE MAC: Lets you killfile in a large number of ways. When a window showing one article is foremost (and when an article is highlighted in a window showing the list of articles for a group), a couple of entries on the ’Filter’ submenu of the Edit menu are enabled. These are ‘Filter this author…’ and ‘Filter this subject…’, which create author or subject filters for the active articles respectively. NETSCAPE COMMUNICATOR Under the Edit Menu, choose the Message Filters… command. In the resulting dialog box, click the New button to define a new filter. Give the filter a name, like "Filter Jerry." Set the criteria for the filter. For example, "sender is Jerry Howe" or "subject contains ninnyboy". Select what to do with filtered messages (delete, ignore, etc…) Click OK. You may have to disconnect and reconnect for it to take effect. OUTLOOK EXPRESS 5.0 Go to the toolbar at the top of any post written by the person you wish to banish from your computer. Click on "Message"; then, on the drop-down menu, click on "Block Sender". To filter out certain messages rather than blocking a sender entirely you can create message ‘rules.’ Say you want to filter out all messages containing ‘ninnyboy’ in the subject line. Go to Message, Create Rule from Message. Select the condition for each message rule you want to create and apply. RN & TRN To create a global killfile in either of these newsreaders, create a file in your News directory called KILL (this must be in all capital letters). Use any text editor to enter the following line into it: newsgroup you read. TIN Read a message from the person you want to killfile or with the subject heading you want to killfile. While that’s on the screen, hit ctrl and k at the same time (^k). A questionaire type screen appears. Return is like saying yes. Space will toggle from the "subject header" to the "sent from" line. In other words, you can choose to kill anything from a particular person or to kill anything with a particular word in the subject heading. I recommend killfiling people instead of killfiling words because I might want to kill a subject about "lying dirt bags" today but want to read something about a dog "lying in dirt" tomorrow. The people stay more constant than the subject lines. Toggle with the space bar until you have the combination you want and then hit return several times to send. The subject line and sent from line should already be typed in if you were in the message screen when you hit ctrl k. Doesn’t work? There’s a question that reads kill pattern. Sometimes I have to type in the person’s name exactly the way it reads on the sent from line. I’m not sure why. X-NEWS When reading an article, press ‘k’ to add the poster to the plonk file. It will then ask you for an expiration period – 100 days is the default. If you want a person permanently zapped, change "100" to "0". XRN (At least, version 9.02. Don’t know about earlier versions) With an article from the troll in question selected, hold shift while clicking the "Author Kill" button to kill for the current group. To kill for ALL groups, use the Control key instead of the shift key.
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