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Hello Linda,

> First and foremost, this will be my last reply to Mr. Jerry Howe.

Reply? I’ve never addressed you. I’ve answered a couple of Thugs responding to your OP, but no, I’ve never responded to you, therefore there’s no way you are replying to me. You may be making a comment about some of my posts, but no, no reply to me. > Your response to my message is evidence that you have no idea who or > what you are replying to.

I checked all my replies to this thread, and it seem you are confused. >  My name is not Lynn and I am not a Koehler trainer

Right. lynn is lying "Oh YEAH! I LOVE KOEHLER" lynn k, a devout koehler and shock and pronged pinch spiked choke collar fan. > nor have I ever been.

EXACTLY. That’s why our "experts" jumped all over you. They thought you were sympathetic towards non violent trainers, they don’t like people here talking about NOT hurting dogs to train them. Just look at the response to the thread "they’re killing puppys". Nothing but bitching about spelling and gramma and posting style and complaints about cross posting.. > You seem to be quick to jump the gun and make accusations that are

unjust. You seemed to have misread the headers, and have been quick to jump the gun and accuse me of maligning you, because of my post to our well known, respected, loved, liar, lying "I LOVE KOHELR" lynn kosmakos, our preeminant koehler fancier, since dogman left and dahl is afraid to talk about it as is cindymooreon, despite she quotes his methods on her "faqs" page at k9web. Look up hole digging and alphalpha rolls, her ‘heaviest weapon in her dog training arsenal.’ > Now that I have experienced this first hand,

No, you’ve made an unfortunate although quite understandable error. You believed our liars who responded intentionally with more lies to cause you to believe that I’d attacked you unjustly. That’s O.K., our experts will do or say ANYTHING to defend themselves, that is, anything but the TRUTH. That’s what scares a liar the most. > I have totally lost any respect for you that I may have had.

No problem. I trust your confidence in me will quickly be restored and you’ll come to love and trust me in all your affairs, dogs, people, whatever field of study you’re interested in. I’m certain I’ve got some guidance for you, I do so much moore in my life than simply train dogs. Dog training has become a vehicle to other aspects of the human mind and it’s relationship to self, family, and our society as a species. > (I have never condoned the use of electronic training devices etc. )

I gathered that from your OP. That’ll make you very unpupular here. > I  am a touch free trainer and understand what it is you are trying to

do. Perhaps yes, perhaps no. It’d be remiss to ever second guess my motives… I’ll accept your apology, but trust me, it’s not necessary for my personal satisfaction. I know you’ll quickly set yourself straight, and the apology will be reflected in your kindly posts to me, as there is something stronger within us than our personal defense, that’s why we do not HURT animals to train them, isn’t it, Linda. > However, the way you go about it appears to really turn people off.

Imagine that? Could it be the subject matter we’re discussing? After all, choking and beating dogs and twisting their ears and shocking them isn’t exactly the most paltable thought when we think of handling and training our dogs, is it, Linda? No wonder people run like HEEL when they open some of my posts. I QUOTE our respected rpdb Gang Of Thugs members, and they deny it, and because the evidence I submit is so cruel, NOBODY BELIEVES ITS TRUE. Our experts who TEACH the quoted text DENY THEIR OWN WORDS published on their websites and archived forever. That’s the nature of a pathological liar, isn’t it??? > If you truly want to get your message across, why can’t you just post > clear-cut information?

Because this is a very complex group to understand. We’ve got a very long established CONSPIRACY to subvert non violent training methods on every level.  Because one competent trainer can be bashed, but five or ten cannot be all bashed together. That’s why they work in sync to disparrage every competent trainer till they no longer post here any longer. Look up the posts of Master_222, Canis55, Marilyn, Colette, Robert Crim, Parker, Aspiring Trainer, any non violent trainer ever posting here has met confrontation, ridicule and harrassment till they simply leave to find somewhere their information will be respected. I saw what had been going on here, and that’s HOWE COME I began posting here and proving our "experts" to be liars and dog abusers. Welcome to rpdb. > If you are a positive trainer, why do you use such negative communications > with people in this group?

Because my daddy told me "you’re judged by the company you keep," therefore there is no way I’ll rub elbows with liars and dog abusers, it goes against my grain. > Bad advice that could lead to the death of a dog is not just cause for > slamming people the way you do.

The "people" I slam are conspirators to repress non violent training methods and defend their alleged right to hurt and kill dogs. > You defeat your purpose.

No, it’s unfortunate but there are indeed collateral damages. I’m willing to accept the high price of war. It’s unfortunate but necessary in this instance. >  Do you really think you will get through to them this way?

Nope. Don’t intend to. Never did. I’ve been in this business for forty years, I know the Nature of this Beast. Like a rabid dog, there is no rehabilitation. In that instance, I’ll be the first to kill the dog. I came here to identify, expose, and discredit our lying, dog abusing Thugs. The price of that may be a few sympathizers with my cause, but they’d be too lightweight to use in this war anyway, so they’re simply considered collateral damages and that’s an unfortunate necessity… like twisting and pinching ears and toes and testicles and choking and shocking and beating and hanging dogs are unfortunate realites of the EXPERT DOG TRAINERS who knows HOWE to hurt dogs properly. That’s what our experts need you to believe, that they’re experts and they KNOW that proper infliction of pain and duress is NECESSARY. > Sadly there are people in this world that believe they have to be physical with > their dogs

Our group are predominantely koehler and shock and pronged spiked pinch choke collar fanciers. Not only do they believe hurting dogs is necessary, they ENJOY their work, and proudly teach it to others, and will do and say anything to make their methods acceptable to all. They LIE. This is a conspiracy, not a discussion forum. I discovered that, and took a different hammer to ring our bell. Welcome to Wits’ End Dog Training. Have you read your FREE copy of my FREE Wits’ End Dog Training Method manual? If you’ve got any questions of if the method doesn’t appear to work precisely as I suggest it does, please just ask me for extra help and I’m at your service. > and there are those that are open minded to learn more positive > touch free type training.

Yes, I’ve got lots of satisfied students I’ve met here. Unfortunately, they do not stick around, they know what’s going down here on rpdb, and they don’t need it, and I don’t blame them. I tell them to take my manual and run like heel. There’s a couple who’ve stuck around for a while, but the harrassment from our force trainers makes their effort worthless as all their posts are counterd with lies,  as they’ve done to all the other competent trainers of the past. That’s why I’m here. > I just got rid of a well paying daycare customer yesterday because she > refused to stop using a pinch collar on her dog.

Good for you. I wouldn’t allow a pronged spiked pinch choke collar on my property for longer than the time it takes to remove it. > If I had argued with her, it would have only turned her off the idea. Instead, I > provided information that will hopefully make her ’see the light’.

Sounds like you didn’t succeed. Some folks just need to inflict pain because it makes them feel powerful, others because they’re convinced hurting dogs is necessary, and still others continue to inflict pain to PROTECT THEIR INVESTMENT in PAIN. Got it? Kinda like going into the hole to pay your bookie. > Turning people off of you as a person will turn them off of your advice thus > rendering your ‘mission’ ineffective.

That’s sometimes the case in warfare. > If you are such a positive trainer, it certainly doesn’t show in your > personality within this group.

I came here to KILL our "experts" not cure. I know better than to corner a rabid animal unless you can kill it. I know better than to not leave them an escape, because that will provoke them to fight. They’re up against the wall. I’m the wall. And I’m holding the match to light their last cigarette. > My apologies to the group for feeding the troll this one last time.

That’s why I leave them no choice but to fight me and die. I trust you’ll serve my purposes well, one way or the other. > Hello lying "I LOVE KOEHLER" lynn,

Now I’ll go to your original post, and reply to you. Your friend, Jerry.

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First and foremost, this will be my last reply to Mr. Jerry Howe. Your response to my message is evidence that you have no idea who or what you are replying to. My name is not Lynn and I am not a Koehler trainer nor have I ever been.You seem to be quick to jump the gun and make accusations that are unjust. Now that I have experienced this first hand, I have totally lost any respect for you that I may have had. (I have never condoned the use of electronic training devices etc. ) I  am a touch free trainer and understand what it is you are trying to do. However, the way you go about it appears to really turn people off. If you truly want to get your message across, why can’t you just post clear-cut information? If you are a positive trainer, why do you use such negative communications with people in this group? Bad advice that could lead to the death of a dog is not just cause for slamming people the way you do. You defeat your purpose.  Do you really think you will get through to them this way? Sadly there are people in this world that believe they have to be physical with their dogs and there are those that are open minded to learn more positive touch free type training. I just got rid of a well paying daycare customer yesterday because she refused to stop using a pinch collar on her dog. If I had argued with her, it would have only turned her off the idea. Instead, I provided information that will hopefully make her ’see the light’. Turning people off of you as a person will turn them off of your advice thus rendering your ‘mission’ ineffective. If you are such a positive trainer, it certainly doesn’t show in your personality within this group. My apologies to the group for feeding the troll this one last time.

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 Hello lying "I LOVE KOEHLER" lynn,

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> It really is a shame that one must waste so much time and energy weeding > through all the crap that is getting posted here. > Linda, please realize that it is your choice to waste your own time and > energy.  You can tailor your newsreader to read only who and what you want > to see or not see. > If you disagree with a posting, keep it to yourself. If you really disagree, > would it not be more ‘professional’ to just post your advice without > slamming someone else’s ? > I do hope you recognize as an exception to your rules those situations > where seriously bad advice could cause the death of a dog.

Like Fritz, Sampson, Summer, "interested in hearing," "my golden retriever bit the ups guy" "my dog bit a kid," "dogs chasing horses," and your jerking and choking and shocking and spraying aversives to make dogs FRIENDLY to their HOWESkats. Which you denied you recommended. And I quoted your original headers, and you said they weren’t your words, so you’re not responsible for telling the OP to HURT his dog. You’re a patholgical liar. You mentioned Marilyn. Marilyn trains a hundred dogs a month. She’s caught you lying here and on private lists about me, snakeproofing, my methods. > For example, treating a bowel obstruction with sound distraction

There was no mention of sound distraction in that case. The lady said the dog was upset by visiting deer. I told her to walk the dog around the property and show her everything was O.K. > or encouraging boundary training for a Sibe on 25 unfenced wooded acres > bordered by an interstate.

You can’t train a dog to a border. I can. Ask Misty. She did it with her dog instead of relying on your shock fence that killed one of her dogs because you bums told her to killfile my INFORMATION. She learned the hard way. Ask her. She’s even got one of my DDR machines she’s successfully using to quiet her screaming Cockatoo. You’re gonna get F’d BIG TIME… > Truly dangerous advice needs cautionary rebuttal for the good of the

dog. That’s why I came here, to put you and your vicious Thug pals OUTTA BUSINESS. >  How many of you are members of the APPDT ? The code of ethics clearing > states that you are not to ‘bad mouth’ anyone. > That’s an inappropriate question.

Of course, because your pal boob maida only talks about kilfilling Jerry the convicted fugitive child molestor, because I told him I wouldn’t criticize him if he posted exemplary information and refrained from endorsing my methods, as that would be the KISS OF DEATH to have any of you Thugs recommend me, my manual, or my machine. I didn’t come here to play freaking games with you bums lying "OH YEAH! I LOVE KOEHLER" lynn, I came here to drop the hammer on you. > Yes, there are members of NADOI, NAPD,

Now there’s a couple of useless groups. nadoi requires that a trainer work under the guidance of an nadoi THUG for two years. napd has fraudreck and Maddy as their all time winning team. fraudreck with his XXX links that he sent into our dog forum and his "hey, jerr’s nephew, your uncle jerry takes it in the ass" remark when I mentioned I wasn’t impressed with him sending our forum that sort of material. And don’t forget my HIGH STAKES challenge where I offered to meet fraudreck and his dog Maddy in front of that fence with the three aggressive dogs behind it, and whack him out every minute while his national champion K0 sits there frightened to death of his shock collar because every time she thinks of hitting me, she’ll think she’s gonna get burned again for turning towards them dogs. I bet my life I’d walk off with Maddy… FIVE MINUTES I offerd to give Maddy an opportunity to maul me without no interference from fraudreck, just his trained k0 and me, unarmed, unprotected, no training aids whatsoever. Winner take all. I get the dog after five minutes of her mauling me if she’s willing to come along after I remove her shock collar. It’ll be her choice to follow me home never to be hurt again. And of course, we’ve got my $1000.00 dollar reward for any of you demonstrating a dual shock collar rehailitation of a shy dog… let’s see you bums take my money. > NPBA, and other groups that actually require professional qualifications, > as well as APDT.

Big deal. Bums like you and maida and capn haggarty can join, there ain’t nuthin there to learn. > But it is very important to note that the opinions of > someone who has just gotten their 1st puppy are just as valid and welcome > in this newsgroup as those of any of the professional trainers.

>Is obtained through the FREE Wits’ End Dog Training Method… ask >anybody here. Jerry.

You bet it is, Jerry! You can see all the proof you want, folks, by visiting my newly updated Web Site at: http://www.geocities.com/viscouspuppy A few short months ago I was a clueless pup myself, and now I’m just so durned proud of my Wonderful Wits End Dog! Charlie P.S.  Don’t forget to sign my guest book! > Yes, those of us who are professional trainers should behave as > professionals, but if you’ll read the newsgroup charter, you won’t find the word > "professional" mentioned at all.

You’re all over the place, aren’t you? First you bums never heard of nuthin I teach, then suddenly it’s old hat that nobody uses, then it’s all plagerized, then it’s all available in the best books in the library that I’ve snipped little bits from and assembled or maybe I just bought the whole package as part of an internet scam? >  There’s good reason for that.

Yeah. You’re liars. > This is everyone’s newsgroup, to discuss dog behavior, not a professional > trainers’ advice forum.

I don’t see it that way at all. Welcome to Wits’ End Dog Training School Of Hard Knocks. I’m Jerry Howe. HOWE may I serve you today? > Lynn K.

I think I’ll serve a pup quiz. But first, "Pudge Was So Soft That She Could And Would Avoid A Simple Swat On The Rump With A Riding Crop, Even When On A Check Cord. This Form Of Softness, Moving Quickly To Avoid Physical Correction, Made Her Difficult In Some Ways," lyingfrosty dahl. Here’s a name that Thug pup quiz worth ten points: "Next, equip yourself with a man’s leather belt or a strap heavy enough to give your particular dog a good tanning. Yup-we’re going to strike him. Real hard. While he’s held in close, lay the strap vigorously against his thighs. Keep pouring it on him until he thinks it’s the bitter end. A real whaling now may cut down somewhat on the number of repeat performances that will be necessary. When you’re finished and the dog is convinced that he is," O.K., Iying "Oh YEAH! I LOVE KOEHLER" lynn, can you name that Thug?

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